Water Brash

2/11/08 10:55am

Hi Sqwakvfr,

This is really an unusual situation. I haven't found alot of information about "water brash" at all and sent your question over to the experts for an answer, but here is what I did find. Certainly your doctor knows best and you should always defer to what he says, but here is some information that I found that might help a little.

While the water brash is a great inconvenience, it apparently is not a bad thing for someone who may have acid reflux. According to this article, smoking reduces saliva causing GERD. So saliva production is good for keeping acid reflux at bay. I am not finding any information about what the causes of water brash are. Excessive salivation, and drooling are a possible symptom of GERD in babies.

There are also other considerations for the drooling (the only search term I could find for excessive salivation) and some of them are kinda scary! Here is a posting about drooling that says excessive drooling could be a symptom of poisoning or reaction to venom from snakes or insect bites. Have you looked into the insect bite possibility? (I would think you would know if you had been snake bit! :) )

Hope things go well for you. Stay in touch and let us know how you're doing!

Vicki M

Vicki M

2/11/08 10:55am

Hi Sqwakvfr,

This is really an unusual situation. I haven't found alot of information about "water brash" at all and sent your question over to the experts for an answer, but here is what I did find. Certainly your doctor knows best and you should always defer to what he says, but here is some information that I found that might help a little.

While the water brash is a great inconvenience, it apparently is not a bad thing for someone who may have acid reflux. According to this article, smoking reduces saliva causing GERD. So saliva production is good for keeping acid reflux at bay. I am not finding any information about what the causes of water brash are. Excessive salivation, and drooling are a possible symptom of GERD in babies.

There are also other considerations for the drooling (the only search term I could find for excessive salivation) and some of them are kinda scary! Here is a posting about drooling that says excessive drooling could be a symptom of poisoning or reaction to venom from snakes or insect bites. Have you looked into the insect bite possibility? (I would think you would know if you had been snake bit! :) )

Hope things go well for you. Stay in touch and let us know how you're doing!

Vicki M

sqwakvfr

2/11/08 3:48pm

Saw the GI today. This is what he told me. Apparently the H. Pylori bacteria thrives in an acid enviornment(stomach). After H. Pylori is eradicated the stomach is behind and still is pumping out the acid to feed the H. Pylori. As a defense mechanism your body will produce extra saliva or even mucous. This makes sense to me. The GI told me to take Acihpex twice a day (40mg) for the next 4 to 6 weeks. So far I have been taking Aciphex once a day and the amonut excess saliva has decreased slightly. The GI also told I can take Zantac as needed during the day. M

My problem with Water Brash started on the third day of H. Pylori treatment. I believe this bacteria in my stomach was eradicated very rapidly. So far I haven't had any other GERD symptoms except for the Water Brash.

The thing I learned from this experience is: Even after completing the treatment for H. Pylori one needs to take acid reducing medication for at least another month. I stopped taking Aciphex as soon as I took my last antibiotic. Apparently this was a big mistake on my part.

Vicki M

2/13/08 4:34pm

Hi sqwakvfr,

That is good news! (That the GI knows what is going on and you have a plan to cure it) I found very little information about the cause of water brash, only that it exists and is essentially over production of saliva.

I never knew I had H Pylori either till the doctor did a test for it. I don't have bouts with acid reflux unless I do something to cause it (mexican, thai, tons of diet soda, all the usual suspects) During a routine physical, my doctor tested for H Pylori. However, the treatment for the H Pylori resulted in my having an adverse reaction to the antibiotics. An overload of antibiotics.

Well now that you have a plan, please stay in touch and let us know how it's going. If it works for you, there may be someone else who has a similar situation and they can speak to their doctor about it using your experience as information.

Take care, be well!

Vicki M

misemile

6/28/09 11:40pm

I found this comment very useful! I was recently diagnosed by my doctor of having h polori. I went on antibiotics for about 2 weeks. Afterwards however, i noticed my neck would feel stiff and i feel like there is something i cannot swallow. I am also experiencing heartburn more frequently. Perhaps this is because i did not take the proton pump inhibitors after i finished using the antibiotics, such as you suggested. I only took the acid relieving medicine during the treatment. I definitely will get a refill of my prescrpiption and see if this helps. Thank you! And I can not tell you how much I think this will help me!

sqwakvfr

2/24/08 4:10pm

It appears the treatment for Water Brash symptoms is not working. I took 40 mg of Aciphex for one week and I developed some serious side-effects(muscle aches, muscle twitches, and headaches). I called my GI and he switched me to 40 mg of Protonix twice a day. I have been on Protonix for 6 days and at times the water brash symptoms are worse.

I usually sleep about 2 to 3 hours a night(I have to get up and clear my mouth and throat of the frothy saliva). I don't know what to do next.

I can't believe this is still happening. I don't have heartburn but if I do not spit out the saliva I feel a lump in my throat. The quantity of the saliva is great that I would have to constantly swallow it.

In Oct 2007, I was diagnosed with mild gastritis and was successfully treated for H. Pylori infection. Since Nov 9, 2007 my life has been a nightmare. I can't go anywhere because my mouth is constantly fills up with saliva.

At this point the only complaint I have is Water Brash. Can anyone offer some advice as to what else I can do? My GI is less than cooperative. My next appointment with the GI is in late March 08.

Could I be suffering from Bile Reflux along with acid reflux?

Vicki M

2/26/08 7:30pm

Hi sqwakvfr,

I did not find alot of information about water brash and it's not listed as a result of bile reflux, but here is a posting that talks about bile reflux and has some good information.

You can read the posting here. Hope this helps!

Stay in touch and let us know how you are doing!

Vicki M

unknown

5/22/09 6:00am

I have the same thing. It started to happen after taking PPI's. I recommend you get off of them. Yes, they reduce acid, but the relax your lower esophageal sphincter muscle, causing stomach contents to wash up. You might get acid rebound, just stick with it. Also, I've just started to try apple cider vinegar. Believe it or not, acid stimulates the LES to close at the right time. It's unfortunate that GI doctors don't know or don't tell you those side effects. They just recommend that you take a double dose. I'm a nurse by the way, and I'm very upset that I had to learn the hard way.

Anonymous

3/15/08 9:37pm

Ask your doctor to evaluate you for a condition called eosinophilic esophagitis, which has overlaping symptoms with GERD.

Anonymous

9/21/09 10:07pm

I have this trouble and use 40mg of nexium a day . Takes care of the problem.Ask your doctor for a prescription. I know what you are going through. B.

unknown

9/ 2/10 6:40pm

I have been having this very same problem for about a month. My mouth would produce so much saliva that I had to keep a trash can by my bed to spit. My throat hurts and my Voice Box feels closed. I just went to an ENT doctor yesterday. He presribed me 60mg DEXILANT or NEXIUM. He gave me some free samples of Dexliant, and it has worked so far. I am only a couple of days in, but it has made a huge diffence in one day. My throat feels better and I didn't get the "spits" last night. If you have these same sypmtoms, I highly reccomend that you talk to your Dr. about theses presriptions.

Anonymous

11/ 4/09 4:48pm

Dont know if you are still checking.......

I have developed this symptom myself, however, for me its just at the annoying stage, and even then mostly in the evenings.

I have read documentation that in severe cases, a dose of Atropine can be used to lessen the flood. This is similar to the Atropine used in general anesthetic to decrease secretions. No, it wont cure you. But, it could improve qualilty of life. Worth considering?

Beth13

3/30/10 12:48am

I empathize with your problem, which I experienced as well and had to stop working and it is unnerving and unpleasant to deal with. I found that in time, it lessened, but it took a few months. I am now on 80 mg daily of Prilosec (my 2nd month) and the waterbrash has almost completely disappeared except some days I get a little but it is swallowable. You have to give the Proton pump inhibitor time to work and 20 mg of Prilosec will do nothing. I also believe this condition is very stress related because I went on Zoloft 100 mg and take Atavan 1mg daily which seems to have helped reduce stress which has reduced the waterbrash. I wish I could tell you it's easy to deal with, but it sounds like you have lpr reflux and it is not an easy condition, takes time and alot of unpleasant annoying suffering.

Elaine

8/ 4/11 11:32pm

Hello, I too, suffered from water brash. I had two edoscopies done which showed severe inflamasion of the esophagus. I was put on aciphex and was told I would be on it the rest of my life. I went to see a homiopathic Dr. and she prescribed aloe vera juice for healing and I also went to a chiropractor who is a certified neurlogist. He did laser treatments on my esophagus 2 times a week for 2 months. By this time I was doing and feeling better. I have since learned that taking a small spoonful of applecider vinegar in 3 ounces of water before going to bed has a better effect than anything else. No more aciphex and no more problems . I hope I have helped someone in their problem.

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