Wednesday, May 23, 2012

Avin's story continues: Acid reflux, bottle aversions and starting with solids

By Sonja P Saturday, April 11, 2009

Recently we took our little boy Avin to his nth therapist. This lady is a very experienced SLP (Speech Language Pathologist) who specializes in feeding.

 

After evaluating Avin she said that he does not have any behavioral issues. My husband and I were shocked by her diagnosis.

 

Every single pediatrician that we met and even all the GI's we met were able to convince us that our son feeding aversions and sleep-feeding were completely 'behavioral', however, going to a behavioral therapist had proven to be disastrous too. So we decided to switch to a more experienced SLP because in the back of my mind I had a nagging feeling that my son had some real difficulty swallowing and gulping. Several doctors/GI's had ruled out dysphagia. At one point I insisted on a swallow study and it came back negative for dysphagia.

 

In any case, when we went for our first appointment to the new SLP, she asked us to come prepared with solids (puree) and utensils that my son was very familiar with. She also told us to bring Avin ‘hungry'....When we reached her clinic, she asked us to start feeding him without wasting any time. Sure enough Avin started gagging and choking after feeding a few spoonfuls and we told her that this was labeled as "behavioral" by all the doctors and therapists who had seen Avin. She showed us two simple tricks:

 

  • 1. Liquid wash: Giving formula, juice, water (if your child is at a good weight on the growth chart) during solid feedings. This can be done using sippy cup for children who have bottle aversions. This helps the solids move smoothly into the stomach. She said that a swallow study cannot always detect a brief swallowing difficulty due to messed up motility (delayed, slow or reverse peristalsis) that most of the reflux children seem to have. Poor motility of the esophagus and stomach is the root cause of acid reflux in infants.
  • 2. Allowing your baby to "stretch" while feeding-arms above head and legs straight down. When an infant who cannot sit completely upright is seated in a feeding chair, the infant has a tendency to slouch. This does not allow the esophagus to remain straight and the solids tend to move much more slowly through a bent gut. Stretching helps creating a straight passage for food.

 

Well these two tricks have helped Avin with his gagging and chocking.

 

We are still struggling with total quantities of his solid and liquid feeds but a visit to a good SLP has helped us make his feeding experience more positive and with fewer "gagging and choking" interruptions.

 

The SLP also recommended that we see another GI (this one will be our fourth GI) but this time our new GI comes highly recommended from our SLP and several other parents of the children that she has treated. Proper medical care and right amount of medication is equally important while dealing with aversions. All the therapists who saw Avin had one thing to say: First the doctor/GI has to give the right medication so that your child is free of pain and discomfort, only then therapy is helpful.  

Mommy’s solution to Avin’s sleep-feeding: understanding reflux and feeding difficulties
4/11/09 12:11pm

Hello Sonja,

Thank you for sharing your experiences with us. Thank you also for the message you sent me, that helped me feel like I'm not alone in this struggle. I will surely write back to you when I have some time.

I want to wish you all the best with your son Avin. I will read all your posts when I have some time. Before we got a GERD diagnosis for our son, I asked his pediatrician if his feeding aversion could be behavioural and she said definitely not. We are going to start cereal in a few days (when he turns 4 months old). I'm scared to death because his sleep feeds are not going well. Should I put the ceral in his bottle or spoon feed it to him? He's sleeping less, consuming less, and regurgitating more.

I will be in touch. I just wanted to say hello and let you know I'll be thinking of your 'lil boy and sending him a (((hug))).

 

Sandeepa

4/13/09 3:15am

Dear Sandeepa,

 

Thank you for you comment. I would think that you should try to avoid spoon feeding until you get all his symptoms under control. For that you need a good GI with lot of experience in reflux and aversions. Zantac is very helpful for a milder form of acid reflux but more severe reflux has to be treated by a PPI. As the therapist said--- make sure you help the child overcome pain before you try out different methods of feeding. I wish you the very best and hugs to your little boy too.

Take care.

Sonja

Jan Gambino, Health Guide
4/13/09 11:12am

Hello Sonja!

Thank you for giving us an update on your amazing journey! For those of you who are just starting here, be sure to search this site for Sonja's other helpful posts on sleep feeding and beyond.

I am so glad you have found a feeding therapist who understand Avin's needs. It is often difficult for parents to find a feeding therapist with experience in helping babies with GERD. Any advice on how to search for a therapist? Word of mouth? doctor? Other?

Jan Gambino

The Reflux Mom

www.refluxmom.com

 

4/17/09 4:31am

Hi Jan,

 

Thanks for your kind words.

 

This therapist was recommended on a local feeding support group who are generally loyal to a completely different group of therapists. One mother told me that although they did not have a great success as far as feding was concerned (with this particular therapist), she helped them pin point the exact problem and then other drs/therapists were able to help better.

 

Our new therapist is very busy (travels a lot around the country, writes books, articles and attends conferences) and does not believe in feeding the child herself but observes how the parents/caregivers feed the child and she just makes suggestions. She makes recommendations and gives you a couple of weeks to work on it. She then backs off and waits for you to tell her how the child responds.....any way, for me this type of help works better. Most of the support group moms do not like her much because they want faster results.

 

I want to help my child to learn to eat, I don't want him to be fed by a therapist so for me I took chances with this therapist. As I mentioned elsewhere the progress is very slow and right now Avin has caught some virus so he is not accepting any solids. It's two steps forward and one step back with him....

12/ 8/10 3:21am

Hello.

My son is 6 months old and has a feeding aversion. He has been sleep feeding since he was 2 months old. We took him to  GI specialist but he didn't help us at all. Im am sure that he has silent reflux, but im my country it is simply impossible to diagnose and treat thih problem. We are now introducing solids and he just wont eat. He eats some wegetables and sometimes rice cereak with wather, but hates everything else. I put the food in to his mouth and he just won't swalow. I think he doesn't have problem with swalowing, he sometimes swalows just fine. He still drinks milk while sleeping and takes about 600ml a day. I am desperate!

Jan Gambino, Health Guide
12/ 8/10 6:22am

Hello Jass,

 

You are not alone. As you can see there are other parents sleep feeding their babies. I am sorry you do not have a doctor or feeding therapist to help you. Please email me privately and tell me where you live. I might be able to find out about services in your country.

 

By reading the stories from other parents, you might be able to get some ideas about helping your baby drink while awake.

 

Here are some ideas:

1. Make feeding a happy time.

2. Do not force him to eat.

3. Feed him a small amount at each feeding.

4. Feed him more often.

5. Try awake feeding each day even if it is just for a moment or two.

6. Let him taste baby food but don't force him.

7. If he does not like baby food, take a break for a week or more and then try again.

8. Let him see you eating and drinking.

9. See if he will take a sip of water from a cup.

 

It will take time and extra practice for him to learn to eat while he is awake.

 

Jan

 

12/ 8/10 6:43pm

Dear Jaas,

 

So sorry to hear about your Son's struggles, silent reflux and sleep feeding.

Jan has some great tips here for you and I would also suggest finding other doctors who are more aware of thse problems...

 

You have to 'ask' for correct medications and once they work most of the feeding resistance goes away.

 

I have learned that there are three types of meds that doctors outside US do trial runs with. Usually one or a combination works...

1. First they will give an anti-allergy liquid such as Cetrizine or Loratadine for three weeks. If the kid stops fighting milk--possible allergies.

2. Acid reflux medicine such as Omeprazole or Lanzoprazole in liqid form (it is unstable so you need to buy fresh every 15 days) + refrigerate it.

3. If both don't help independently they are combined and it usually helps.

4. Finally if neither help drs give domperidone liquid-- it certainly reduces reflux. Domperidone is banned in US but when we were traveling and were outside US my Son was hospitalized and those doctors gave him domperidone--he started eating solids very well--almost right away, also he started drinking his milk while awake with a straw. We had taught him to use straw for water but once his problems of reflux reduced he started using the straw for milk. We still have some health challenges for my kid but they are very different now.

 

Good luck.

12/14/10 6:09am

Dear Sonja, thank's for answering. We tried using Nexium but it didn't help. The GI told us to use 5mg in the morning, but I think the dose was to small. Unfortunately, it is not possible to get a second opinion since there are just a few GI for kids, ad they all don't have any idea what silent reflux is.

We are teaching him to eat solids, but it is so hard.

 

12/14/10 10:25pm

Dear Jass,

 

So sorry to hear about the solids. The solids will not be accepted easily if there is still so much discomfort.

 

The GI needs to do some tests for reflux atleast--can you insist something like a milk-scan? He will see what is happening. The radiation dose in milk scan is a bit higher than traditional barium x-ray but it records the entire passage of milk and if there is reflux it is caught easily--same when swallowing solids. Now a days some therapists will call it esophageal dysmotility when they detect that reflux begins almost the same time as solids enter the esophagus (again this is detected with a scan).

 

Can you check it out at least?

 

Sonja

Anonymous
Anonymous
5/ 1/09 2:06pm

Hi - My son has the same issues that everyone has described on this page. I just created a yahoo group for us to provide support for one another.

 

If you are interested in joining, please send an email to BabyDreamfeed-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

 

Anonymous
maggie
5/24/09 8:36pm

Hi Sonja,

 

 This is so soreal to us at my house.  Gavin is still having his difficulties too.... we're now getting a weekly SLP who is highly experienced in feeding as well, through EI.  She's free.  Gavin's issues were last stated by an MD as behavioral as well, we kenw this made no sense.  We delayed solids b/c of allergies and now at 10 mo he still is not eating anything  - he still has allergy issues, but the allergies alone are not enough to be causing the feeding issues entirely.   Our SLP and OT, who each come weekly, are treating him for sensory issues and one of his most severe is the oral one, thus his gagging, choking and vomiting when eating solids and sleep feeding for the bottle.  Though we've made a lot of progress with sleep feeding since starting the SLP. 

 

 One item they are using, and we have since bought is called a "Jiggler,"  and it vibrates and allows baby to put this toy in thier mouth while it's vibrating and it is intended to move the gag reflex farther back the mouth or tongue (and desensitize the area) , he is still not eating but -- he is getting more in his mouth with decreased amount of gagging. 

 

 We are noticing instint, but small results with the therapy 2x a week - we've only been doing it for 4weeks for the SLP and so far, only last week with the OT.  The nice thing about EI is they come into our home and are entirely free.

 

Have you guys checked into your Free EI program for your state?  Have you found any useful therapies that help with the oral issues?

 

Hope all is as well as can be expected!
Maggie

5/25/09 9:54pm

Dear Maggie, It's good to know that you too are making progress with Gavin, albeit slowly. SLP and OT are making house-call is wonderful news!!! Awesome.

 

The gagging and choking seems to be related to a physiological dysphagia where in the esophagus pulsates from both directions at once causing the morsel of food to float in between the throat or chest (sort of what I understood from the OT and some of the video scans that she showed us). Then kids can also be come sensitive to "lumpy" or 'granular' textures. The jiggler might be a great solution for this---I will give it a try too. Thanks for sharing this information with us.

 

I wish the very best for Gavin. Keep us posted.

Anonymous
maggie
5/27/09 10:52am

hi Sonja,

 

  When you talk about the gagging and choking being from an issue with the esophagus, did that show up on a barrium swallow?   If not, what test was done? 

 

 Gavin had one done at 3mo, but the SLP said things could have changed in the past 7 mo.  I am wondering if we should do another?   I am totally at a loss today - Gavin is totally refusing formula feds.

 I am so ready to throw in the towel and get the NG tube.  I really don't want to but - it's like a rollercoaster, you know.   A few good weeks, and then slowly regression, until where are back to horrible feeds again (at least that's where he's been today and yesterday)  All i can think of is it's the pears this time, but he hardly gets ANY in his mouth.   I think  Gavin's is really related to solids foods still. 

 

 I could just cry today!!  When will this get better... i can't imagine struggling with a 2  y.o trying to get them to eat............................................

5/28/09 5:51pm

Hi Maggie, no it may not show on a barium test and the reason for that (according to out SLP) is when the kids sit in a slouched position it causes them to have dysphagia. During a barium x-ray the child is in a horizontal position and the esophagus is extended. So what you may need is something like a feeding videograph. However, my pedi was totally against extensive testing. She thinks that radiation (even if it is X-rays) has a cumulative effect on a child so avoid this kind of exposure. She said that she would rather listen to the SLP and ask her how to deal with this type of dysphagia. So we do following things to make sure that Avin doesn't slouch:

1. Feeding in a bouncer-- but make sure this is a simple walker/bouncer with not too many toys. Otherwise they get too distracted.

2. Raising his arms above his head.

3. Patting on his back while feeding him.

4. Giving him formula or water inbetween to wash off the solids.

5. Frequent burping.

 

Here is my logic: if the x-ray is going to show dysphagia there is only a certain set of things that you are going to do. Right? Then why not start doing it even without the x-ray. I would not keep on subjecting my child to testing unless we need to try out new or stong medicines that are worse than the test itself or unless there is going to be a huge change in the course of treatment (such as surgery). You said that Gavin had an endoscopy, it is more thorough than a barium swallow and with detect a structural issue if any.

 

Another thing that my pedi told us. Do not count the intake on daily basis but start keep a log and check it on weekly basis. Once babies are over 6 or 7 mo old they tend to get viruses and infections frequently. sometimes that interferes with proper feeding. In such cases respect the child and back off from shoving the solids down their mouth, in couple of days they get better. Guess what? She is right.  Avin would refuse solids on some days and we would start panicking but then we also started taking his temperature and it used to be 99.5 to 100.5 on those days.

 

Also, in addition to going to the therapist, we stopped all of Avin's medications because there came a point when we realized that he doesn't need them. I will be writing another sharepost on "weaning off of medicines". There are several signs that parents should look for to know when the reflux is completely gone. In your case this may not be applicable, however, do check if periactin type of medicine is helpful.

 

Good luck with everything. Love and hugs to lille Gavin.

Sonja

Anonymous
maggie
7/ 5/09 10:36pm

Hey there,

 

  Just wondering if anyone else has gone the NG or G tube route.   We are at our breaking point.   Gavin's issues are deffinetely allergy related, and most defintetely Eosinophilic in nature.   *which as I am learning more from our feeding therapist, eos disorders are just allergies on steroids - which can take on different forms than normal IgE allergies... ugh so confusing. 

 

 Anyway, the original therapist (we met with 2x) suggested a NG tube way back when, and we refused.    We just brought this up the the feeding therapist and she actually recommened we think about the G-tube, not the NG tube b/c of sensory issues that already exist with Gavin.   The stress around feeds is too much and is actually better to not stress about it, but still let him get what he needs.   Her plan would be .... let him feed orally all day and only orally and push it a bit, but not too much so that it's life or death.... then at night during the first 3-4 hours of sleep feed him whatever he didn;t eat during the day.   She said there is something to letting him dictate what/how much he eats - he neesd to learn that resposibility and as of now, he doesn't have that.

 

 Just want to knwo about it and hear others' stories.  

 

I just prey that Gavin will be able to eat SOME food that doesn't trigger this horrible reflux and pain.   It's so clear now, when he eats something he's allergic too - the agitation is the first sign we see, followed by reflux and hicuups and then a horrible night of sleep...................................   I need to start my own thread too!! 

 

I am so over this for myself, for my family, but especially for Gavin.

 

Hugs and kisses to all.

Maggie

10/ 2/09 3:56pm

Dear Maggie,

 

I am sorry I do not check this website that often any more. For Avin a high dose of PPI therapy sort of worked. His feeding are still a struggle..every once in a while we all get frustrated.

 

I can suggest you a feeding support group on yahoo, especially for kids with NG or G tube.

 

Here it is...you can just send an e-mail and they will get you in.

FeedingTherapy@ yahoogroups. com

 

Good luck.

10/ 2/09 6:22pm

Dear Sonja,  Thanks for responding - late your not!!  We actually avoided the G-tube(and thankfully) and have really seemed to get a handle on a lot.   Gav is still not eating much solids... but bottle feeds are going amazing.

 

 About 1.5mo ago (right after we were considering the G-tube) as a last ditch effort we went to a naturopath and found Gavin had a severe Bacterial infection (2 actually) that colonized in his gut - which were undoubtedly very painful.   One was MRSA... which is a nasty infection... the other is Enterobacter sp.  

 

  Anyway, from there we were hopeful that things would improve if we fixed this problem.   Unfortunately none of our current MD doctors would even touch the bacteria.  So, we sought out a holistic MD.   He has saved our lives - literally.   So much has changed/improved and gone away since.   Gav was Diagnosed a bit back with Sensory integration disorder (BUT NOT autism) and that has almost gone away too with the intervention our doctor is now doing.   Our new and current Pediatrician is this holistic MD who is also a DAN! doctor.    (Defeat Autism Now! doctor)

 

 Now that Gavin's gut is getting better his bottle feeding is 100% improved and the solid feeds are significantly better - he is still in feeding therapy but the sensory part has improved, now we're working on the behavioral part.    Gavin is also tolerating many more foods.

 

 As you may know from the past - previously it was said (and not said) that he had an eos disease.... finding out that a few parents of kiddos that have eos have gone holistic too and have found their children to have MRSA/C diff/ yeast etc and once the infections were treated their "life long diseases" went away and they could tolerate many if not, all foods.  Where previously their lives where riddled with diarrhea with any food present...   Gavin's diarrhea has been gone for 1 mo now.

 

  If you know anyone who's child has feeding problems along with any vomiting/diarrhea, history of roto virus/ allergies (look a-likes) or ANY GI problems and other complications... give them my email .. .there are a lot of kiddos like my son, like our doctor and his collegues have traeated who are suffering from these weird infections that normal docs don't test for.....  controversial topic - I know, but it's our children we're talking about! You - know.

 

 

   How is Avin in gerneral?  I hope you all are as well as can be expected.   

 

All the best,

Maggie

Jan Gambino, Health Guide
10/ 3/09 5:39pm

Hello Maggie, What an amazing story. Please start a new topic so others can join this discussion. You can start a Sharepost.

Jan

3/ 9/10 10:33pm

Hi Everyone

 

I have been reading the dream feeder posts on this website and they strike a cord since I am going through the exact same problem with my 13 week old. He has acid reflux and possible milk protein allergy. The protein allergy has not been confirmed by any sort of test...it is just a guess

 

My baby has developed a severe aversion to bottle feeding and will not feed when awake. We try to feed him when he is alseep but fear that this is aggravating his sleep feeding. It is very frustratimg to see him struggle. At this point we don't know what to do. I am totally clueless but despearte to find a solution.

 

Do you think a feeding therapist at this stage would help ?

 

Thanks

Jan Gambino, Health Guide
3/10/10 5:58am

Hello and Welcome to HealthCentral!

I am so sorry your little boy is struggling to eat. I know that you are so worried about him. It is just awful when a baby will not eat.

I encourage you to work closely with his primary care doctor to find out why he needs to be drowsy or asleep to eat. Make sure the doctor understands that you are sleep feeding him. Some doctors see a steady rate of growth on the growth chart and don't realize you are working ounce by ounce to nourish him. For some babies, it seems that MSPI, GERD or a combination of both are extremely painful and cause a baby to "shut off" the pain so they can eat.

Some parents have found that early, aggressive medical treatment helped their babies to move beyond sleep feeding. Certainly a feeding evaluation by a speech language pathologist or occupational therapist with experience in infant feeding can rule out feeding issues that make feeding difficult such as a swallowing problem. You and the doctor can decide when and if a feeding evaluation is needed and when it is time to get a referral to a pediatric gastroenterologist. I will say that many if not most of the parents I have spoken to about sleep feeding ended up seeing a pediatric gastroenterologist.

I have written many Shareposts on sleep feeding here on HealthCentral. If you search this site, you will see the links. Let me know if you need further assistance finding the articles or answering your questions. That's why I am here.

Best wishes,

Jan

The Reflux Mom

 

 

3/10/10 8:02pm

Hi Jan,

 

Thanks a lot for your response. You are so right...my little boy does have GERD. As far as the MSPI is concerned, we are not sure but he is already on a hypoallergenic formula.

 

He is currently on zantac. That has not helped improve his feeding at all. Infact, it is decreasing with time as he is napping less and less. In your experience, would it help to see a therapist right away or should we see a GI first ?

 

Thanks again

Jan Gambino, Health Guide
3/13/10 4:35pm

Hello!

If the Zantac is not working, it is best to start with your primary care doctor (I assume the primary care doctor prescribed the Zantac). Ask for advice on the next step: try another treatment such as a different medication or a higher dose of Zantac (if your baby isn't already on the highest dose) or get a referral to a pediatric gastroenterologist or feeding therapist.

Meanwhile, keep track of how much your baby is taking at each feeding so you can report this information to the doctor. Make sure the doctor knows that your baby has to be drowsy or asleep to eat.

Watch for signs of dehyration and take your baby to the doctor or emergency department right away if needed.

Please let me know what you find out.

Jan

6/14/10 4:39am

Hi Nupur,

 

How are things now? Were you able to contact the Gi and find out about other meds such as Prilosec or prevacid? Is your baby responding better to feeding now? 

 

Send me e-mail/call me-- I just sent you a private message with my number etc.

 

Take care,

Sonja

9/23/10 7:16am

Hi,

I am looking for contact info for a mom named Maggie with a little boy named Gavin who had sucess with a holistic doctor in treating his bottle aversion. I have a baby who is 8 months old with severe eating issues and would like to explore this option further in conjuction with the care provided with her doctor. I suspect that some of her eating issues are related to abnormal gut flora as I received large doses of IV antibiotics during labour. I wonder if any other moms whose babies have digestive issues received antibiotics as well.

 

Thankyou

Joanna

Jan Gambino, Health Guide
9/26/10 7:07am

Hello!

 

You can click on any of the blue highlighted names of parents who have left messages about sleep feeding. Feeding aversion is very complex and has many causes and treatments. It makes sense to network with other parents and share ideas. At the same time, be sure to work with your medical team in your area. Each baby is different and each baby needs a treatment plan that is just for him or her.

 

Could you tell us a bit more about your little one? Are you currently sleep feeding for liquids? Have you tried solids? Has your baby had any testing?

 

If you still cannot connect with Gavin's mom, send me a private message and I will try to contact her too.

 

Best wishes, Jan

 

 

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