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J.A.T.
Sunday, April 06, 2008 at 04:18 AMre: Untitled Comment
James Thompson, MD
Sunday, April 06, 2008 at 12:29 PMDear JAT,
Thank you for your comments. Allergens in Europe are not identical to allergens in the United States. I think there is enough experience with SLIT here (though not FDA approved) to expect similar benefits once many other details (discussed in the article) are worked out. The allergens that are unique to Europe would not be used in SLIT or SCIT in this country.
Many people would choose sublingual treatment over allergy shots if they offered the same benefits. If future clinical trials more consistently show as good or better results from SLIT compared to SCIT, the choice will be clear. We are far away from such a comparison as it stands. The fact that SLIT is not FDA approved is a major issue.
I hope your mom and sister are in the 80% that respond well to allergy shots.
Again thank you for your comments and questions.
J. Thompson MD
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TYRONE L. DANIELS, MD FACC
Monday, April 07, 2008 at 10:58 AMGood review. I found it very informative. This form of therapy may be an alternative for my family members that need immunotherapy
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Katie
Monday, April 07, 2008 at 10:20 PMDr. Thompson,
Two questions:
Can SLIT also treat animal allergies, and if so would allergic animal owners be eligible for the treatment?
Also, you stated that SLIT will only treat one allergy, ie. dust mite, so is there no way to use multiple SLIT for different allergies, just as multiple injections are given in SCIT?
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James Thompson, MD
Tuesday, April 08, 2008 at 08:41 AMKatie,
Your comments and questions are appreciated. SLIT offers an alternative to allergy shots but has several shortcomings as discussed in the posting. SLIT has been done with both cat and dog allergen in Europe and in the United States (not FDA approved here). Published reports reflect better outcomes with cat desensitization. When SLIT becomes available pet extracts will likely be an option.
Few studies have shown effective desensitization to more than one unrelated allergen (for example grasses and trees, or ragweed, cat and dust mite). One problem is the increased volume of extract required to be placed under the tongue as more allergens are included. A second problem is the escalation of the cost when multiple allergens are involved. There are clinical trials being conducted to address these issues. As you mentioned, allergy shots (SCIT) offer multiple allergen desensitization.
Thanks again for sharing your thoughts,
J. Thompson, MD
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Sara
Sunday, June 15, 2008 at 08:36 PMI am in the U.S. and have been taking allergy drops (SLIT) for about 7 months now. There is a clinic in La Crosse, Wis. (Allergy Associates) that offers SLIT. Since it is not FDA approved, the drops are unfortunately often not covered by insurance.
I am pretty badly allergic to animal dander and I have a few other mild allergies. The drops I am using do contain multiple antigens. They seem to be helping me become gradually less allergic to cats. At my last appointment, my skin prick test showed I was less allergic than I was at my initial visit.
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James Thompson, MD
Friday, October 17, 2008 at 05:10 PMHi Sara,
Sorry I missed your comment months ago. I wonder How you are coming along with your SLIT. I am glad you have responded well. When SLIT becomes FDA approved and more information is available on appropriate and safe doses, I will probably begin treating some of my patients with it as an alternative to shots.
Experts in allergy have estimated SLIT to be about 50% as effective as allergy shots given by a board certified allergist.
Good Luck!
J. Thompson, MD
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Anonymous
Monday, October 13, 2008 at 02:57 PMI also have been on SLIT for seven and one half months. I tested positive for 28 out of 32 allergins. I also had chronic sinusitus from years of allergies that were uncontrolled, and my asthma was acting up from the sinusitus. Not only have my allergy sensitivities decreased and my asthma gotten better, but my sinsuses have slowly cleared out. I now feel air in places in my head I did not know existed. I only take 3 drops under my tongue in the AM and all 28 triggers are in the solution. I am very happy and willingly pay for the drops out of pocket (it would be nice if they were covered) for the benefits and convenience. My husband is on allergy shots and trying to get him to remember to go every two weeks for a shot is a problem. He often forgets which negates the effect.
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James Thompson, MD
Friday, October 17, 2008 at 05:23 PMHi,
You appear to be another satisfied customer on SLIT. That's good. Those three drops under your tongue sure seem to cover an awful lot of trigger factors. Most well controlled studies on SLIT contain one or only a few allergens because amounts needed are much greater in volume than the quantity typically used in allergy shots.
No good clinical trials have shown favorable results in as high a number of allergens you are getting (I don't think such studies are available).
The important thing is it is working for you. SLIT will likely be approved in the U.S. in the near future. I plan on using it in some patients once approval has been achieved and dose schedules have been published.
Thanks for sharing,
J. Thompson, MD
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lori
Wednesday, December 10, 2008 at 02:53 PMre: re: re: SLIT
James Thompson, MD
Saturday, December 13, 2008 at 12:08 AMHi Lori,
I probably should have left "near" out of the sentence regarding when SLIT will be approved by the FDA. There are several issues that need to be worked out before approval. I don't know when this will be but support for this method of immunotherapy has markedly grown. The starting age is one of the factors that await establishment.
Stay Tuned,
J. Thompson, MD
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Kathy
Thursday, April 16, 2009 at 09:53 PMre: re: SLIT
suzie
Friday, April 17, 2009 at 09:44 PMDear Kathy
I made it through one of the worst Oak pollen seasons that Florida has had with improvement in my overall sinisuitis and allergies. I did not realize how bad the season was until I went to my allergist for a regular checkup and she said the only people who were not overly bothered were those on SLIT. Everyone else has had severe problems. I also am not at maintenance level, so that says a lot for it.
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James Thompson, MD
Saturday, April 18, 2009 at 01:02 AMHi Suzie,
I appreciate you sharing your experience. I suspect your allergist meant to also include patients on allergy shots (doing better with the season in addition to those on SLIT). People on allergy shots actually do better than those on SLIT (sublingual therapy) according to clinical studies I have reviewed.
SLIT and SCIT (allergy shots) help a lot of people all around the U.S. but SCIT is the only one FDA approved. There are lots more people on SCIT (in America) than SLIT but that may change once a lot of issues have been addressed (discussed in my posting).
I am glad it has worked out for you. SLIT is easier to do and tends to be relatively safe. Of course, when it works, life is better.
Best Wishes!
J. Thompson, MD
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suzie
Saturday, April 18, 2009 at 12:35 PMMy allergist only uses SLIT. She will not even administer allergy shots to people like my husband who brings along his own syrum from PA. So that means that she was comparing SLIT to only antihistimines and regular asthma treatments. However, my husband on shots had a horrible allergy season and developed a sinus infection. I on the other hand constantly improved with my cronic sinusitis to the point that there was no visible sinus infection at the end of the season. I'm sold. The convenience of three drops per day to a drive of twenty miles one way every two weeks for a shot for him is wonderful. And as far as cost is concerned, we both pay about the same amount for his syrum and my drops.
suzie
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James Thompson, MD
Saturday, April 18, 2009 at 06:24 PMHi again Suzie,
If I had the success with my allergies you have had I would be sold on SLIT too. That is the beauty of medicine. Despite what clinical studies may show in terms of comparisons and outcomes, every individual has their individual experience to bank on.
I will probably offer SLIT to my patients in the future, once it gets FDA approved and more is learned about dose limits and other guidelines. Currently I have a success rate of about 80% with allergy shots (which mirrors clinical reports). This means of course, 20% of my patients won't be helped. But neither SCIT nor SLIT works for everyone.
I suspect your husband's allergies are more severe than yours. I doubt SLIT would do any better for him, but who knows. Maybe one day he may follow your lead.
To Your Health,
J. Thompson, MD
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James Thompson, MD
Saturday, April 18, 2009 at 12:49 AMHi Kathy,
I don't use SLIT in my office. I only utilize SCIT (allergy shots) for ages five and above. There is a much longer history of allergy shot therapy and it is FDA approved. I choose to only practice FDA approved treatments but I know many other doctors, including some allergist have gone to SLIT.
Therefore I cannot comment on effectiveness of SLIT from my own experience (have not done it). But I am closely following the research, and reports on clinical experiences in other practices.
Currently, SLIT is not FDA approved. Yet more people are being treated with it every year in the U.S.
The issues I commented on in my posting remain unsolved.
But as you can see by Suzie's testimonial it can be effective.
If you have an interest in SLIT try to find a board certified allergist that does it.
Good Luck,
J. Thompson, MD
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lisa
Tuesday, September 08, 2009 at 08:55 PMDr Thompson,
My daughter is 5 years old with rast confirmed dog(12.5),ragweed and egg allergies.Any time she come in contact with grass she breaks out in an itchy rash and sometimes even hives. We have been seeing an allergist who said a few months ago that my daughter was doing the allergic march and she would greatly benefitfrom allergy shots. I went back in to see the doctor and he then said her skin problems were just eczema. Allergy shots wouldn't be a good idea. I am now considering slit therapy. I have an appointment next week with an ent that does slit therapy. We have tried zyrtec, claratin, tons of 2.5 hydrocortizone with nosuccess. Just wondering what you think? Is slit therapy worth a try or are allergy shots a better idea for kids?
Any information would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Lisa
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James Thompson, MD
Monday, September 14, 2009 at 09:51 AMDear Lisa,
Thank you for your question. Your daughter may in fact be going through the "allergic march" based on her eczema and food allergies. I am glad she has been evaluated by an allergy specialist. You did not mention skin testing. Most board certified allergists do skin testing to further confirm allergy triggers. I assume her allergy test to grass was negative. If so, SLIT would not be helpful for her skin problem. Neither SLIT nor allergy shots are indicated for food allergy or eczema.
I think you should have her see a skin specialist (dermatologist). Follow up with your allergist for guidelines on food avoidances (egg etc.). She should be under the care of a board eligible or board certified allergist.
Learn more about the "allergic or atopic march": (click here)
Click here to learn more about eczema: (Eczema)
Good Luck!
J. Thompson, MD
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Lisa
Tuesday, September 15, 2009 at 12:12 PMDr Thompson,
Thank you for your reply. The confusing part of the eczema is she really only develops it when she is in the grass. She had a skin test done at age 3 and tested positive to grass cats and eggs. She develops a rash with contact to grass and big hives sometimes. She also has allergic shinners,itchy nose and itchy eyes. She also had wheezing problems up to the age of 3. For one summer she had no eczema at all. She was on singular. She just had very terrible sleeping problems and aggressive behavior. So they took her off of it. Our allergist first told me that we needed to re-test her with the skin test because it is more sensitive to aero allergens. Then he said that the rast test would have picked up a grass allergy. The information is just confusing. I made another appointment this week and requested that she be re skin tested. I just am wondering if the grass could cause the eczema? In the winter she does not have a problem.
Thanks,
Lisa
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James Thompson, MD
Saturday, October 10, 2009 at 01:25 PMHi Lisa,
Hope things are going well for your daughter. Grass allergy may be identified by allergy skin testing or by Rast-IgE blood test. The skin test is considered a little more sensitive than the blood test. Someone very allergic to grass would likely show a positive finding on either test.
Summer eczema may be triggered by grass if there is contact with it. Eczema triggered by the grass pollen in the air (with no direct contact) is less likely.
The good news is, summer is three seasons away now (which is also the bad news).
Best Wishes,
J. Thompson, MD
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RMoore
Sunday, October 25, 2009 at 11:53 PM -
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Vicky
Tuesday, November 17, 2009 at 12:39 PMHi Doctor,
I live in Canada and over the last 1.5 yrs I have developed allergies. Slowly my symptoms have gotten worse. My nose runs every morning non stop - white clear mucus sometimes water like. It is irritated and my eyes also water. At times my throat feels itchy also.
I went to see 2 Allergy Doctors. The first told me I was allergic to dust and mold but was unable to do anything for me. He discussed shots but then ruled that out as I have to fly overseas for work occasionally.
Unhappy with the lack of diagnosis and miserable with the thought of continuing to go through a box of tissues every week as well as having flu like symptoms I sought a second opinion.
This time I was told I was only slightly allergic to cat dander and not allergic to dust and mold at all.
I can no longer clean my place and have to have outside cleaning as I tear up and sneeze if I were to do it. It's proving costly and I am at a loss as to what I can do.
Claritin works sometimes - however I don't want to pill pop for the rest of my life. I am only 35yrs old.
I sneeze about 20 times a day (which is greater than ever). My sneezes are loud and used to be much quieter - now they shake my entire body.
The second specialist told me I should consider changing my carpet to hardwood. That's a costly exercise when I am not 100% sure what I am allergic to. I practically begged him to do give me shots but he declined saying he doesn't know what I am allergic to although he could clearly see the irritation in my nose and eyes.
I'd like some more info on SLIT. Is it available in Canada? Can it be used for multiple allergies like cat dander and dust in my case?
Are there any other ways I can diagnose myself? Could it be I am suffering from something like sinitis versus allergies?
I am terrinbly confused. My nose is raw and I am miserable. I don't know what to do. Maybe I can pay privately for treatment - but I don't know what my next steps should be. Meanwhile costs for claritin is getting expensive I tried generics like citrizine but they do not work for me.
I can't understand how one suddenly gets allergies and why I can't be helped...
Any advice would be heartfelt.
Thanks
Vicky
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It is great news that we are creating better means to treat allergies. I am a part of a family in which these very problems are quite common. SCIT and other extensive medications have always been a pain (no pun intended) to both my mother and my sister. I am curious about the ways in which foreign allergens differ from ours. How will these differences manifest themselves in treatment of American allergens? Are these differences significant enough to change SLIT's effectiveness when used in countries where trials have not been done?