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John R. Vandervelde
Tuesday, June 17, 2008 at 01:18 PMre: Nasal Spray Decongestants- Is it worth the risk?
James Thompson, MD
Tuesday, June 17, 2008 at 05:34 PMHi Mr. Vandervelde,
Thank you for sharing your experience with us. You have quite a lengthy period of using a nasal spray. I am very curious about the specific brand you are using. My SharePost warns about addictive tendencies associated with Topical Nasal Decongestants (TND). There are other types of over the counter nasal sprays that are not habit forming (Nasalcrom and nasal saline for example). Not all TNDs are the same. They may vary in potency and therefore have a milder impact on the inner surface of the nose. Nonetheless, TNDs may over time damage the inside of the nose, with prolonged use.
The fact that your nasal spray bottle lasts for weeks is unusual for Rhinitis Medicamentosa. This suggests you are not an avid daily user (using nasal spray multiple times daily, every day). Furthermore, in my experience patients hooked on TND prefer night time use in order to sleep better.
Perhaps you are fortunate not to have suffered from complications related to long-term use of your nasal spray. I am glad you beat the odds. We see similar examples (of beating odds) with some people who smoke cigarettes. Most of us know someone who has smoked for more than 25 years but appears to be in good health. Yet many people that have smoked 20 or more years have significant lung damage and often have signs of chronic bronchitis or emphysema.
Allergy shots have come a long way in the last 30 years, thanks to research and clinical trials. They are a lot more expensive now compared to when you had them, but health insurance often covers them.
Loss of the sense of smell has not represented a measure of nasal damage associated with TNDs, although it may occur when there is any kind of damage to the lining of the upper nasal passage.
I have some questions for you:
Do you think you are habitually dependent on your nasal spray?
When is the last time you went three or more days without using it?
I hope to hear from you again.
To your continued good health,
J. Thompson, MD.
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Nasal spray usage
Kathie Henry
Tuesday, June 17, 2008 at 04:13 PMre: Nasal spray usage
James Thompson, MD
Tuesday, June 17, 2008 at 05:52 PMHi Ms Henry,
I am not aware of prescription nasal sprays (nasal steroid sprays and others) posing a significant risk to the senses of taste and smell.
Topical nasal decongestants may damage the lining of the inner surface of the nose but taste and smell sensitivity are not often reported as a result of this damage. The olfactory nerves are responsible for the ability to smell and are located in the roof of the inner nasal passage. When there is damage to these nerves not only is the sense of smell affected but also the sense of taste.
I reviewed some causes of anosmia in an answer I recently posted (click this link)
Thank you for your question,
J. Thompson, MD
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mickey m
Tuesday, June 17, 2008 at 05:57 PMiv been told i would have rebounds and cant stoped etc, iv been using dristan for many yrs and there time wer ei have to use it lots, and i have miner alegies, etc
then i discoverd afrin, a bit more ex but i used it less,
well as i was in apt for mnay yrs, etc i was blocked lots, but when i moved to a house i rarely get block or even get blocks lots, and havent use nose sparys in a lot time now,
so i odnt agree with what said, im liivng proof of this
re: Do All Over Users of TNDs Get Addicted?
James Thompson, MD
Wednesday, June 18, 2008 at 09:43 AMHi Mickey M,
There are probably lots of people that identify with your experience. Many users of topical nasal decongestants (TND) do not get Rhinitis Medicamentosa (RM). Reasons you may not become dependent and suffer complications despite over using (more than five consecutive days of use at a time) include:
-The use of other nasal-sinus medications which allows you to stop the TND
-Use of TND for a limited time beyond the warning period
-Disappearance of the trigger that promotes use of the TND (as you experienced)
-Mild enough rebound that prolonged dependency does not occur
-Low vulnerability factor (difficult to define this, but some researchers think that some people are more at risk to develop addictive behavior than others).
I am glad you did not develop complications from your use of TND. They really can be effective if prolonged use is avoided. Periodic use for three to five days at a time probably poses little risk.
Allergy sufferers are at higher risk of RM because allergy triggers are continuously or seasonally recurring. This pattern of exposure to triggers may promote longer periods of nasal spray usage.
Bottom Line: Rhinitis Medicamentosa is a risk that increases with prolonged use of topical nasal decongestants. Some people will not get RM despite prolonged use.
Thanks for sharing!
J. Thompson, MD
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Nasal sprays
Jeanette
Wednesday, June 18, 2008 at 07:12 AMI trouble with various enviromental allergies -sometimes it is realy bad. For the past 11 years I've noticed I cannot take the smell of people's perfumes, men's colognes etc. I would loose my voice instantly to a whisper. Recently I jsut returned from Switzerland where I came down with a sore throat 3 days after arrival and no voice for 5 days. Then a severe pain in the left ear. A 5 day antibiotic seemed to help but the ear problem continued. I saw my Dr. last Wed and he gave me an inhalor called SYMBICORT TURBUHALER and nasl spray called AVAMYS a corticosteroid. My ear feels constantly blocked - and is painful and I get headaches at the top of my head that wakes me up several times. What do you think? How long do I have to suffer with this pain?
I await your reply. Thank You.
Jeanette
re: Nasal sprays
James Thompson, MD
Wednesday, June 18, 2008 at 10:11 AMHi Jeanette,
I have several questions that need answering (as well as the need to do a physical exam) before being able to give you a complete answer.
Based on the information you provided I think you have multiple problems occurring at the same time. You apparently have a history of allergic rhinitis. You are hypersensitive to irritant odors and fumes (see my SharePost on Fragrances) and you may have Otitis Media (ear infection). Otitis Media is a common complication of active allergic rhinitis.
There are many postings on this web site which address allergic rhinitis, complications (sinusitis, asthma, otitis and more).
You may have a persistent ear infection or combined ear and sinus infection. Sinus infections may require longer courses of antibiotics (longer than 5-7 days). Perhaps a stronger antibiotic may be required if the infection has not responded.
You require further evaluation. An Ear, Nose and Throat specialist may be helpful if your family doctor is uncertain how to proceed. Your ear should be re-checked ASAP.
Please post a follow-up account on your status.
GET RE-CHECKED!
Best to You,
J. Thompson, MD
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TNDs
Gloria
Thursday, November 13, 2008 at 10:33 AMI was like your poor patient. I suffered severe congestion most of my life! I even had
sinus surgury, the good results from surgury only lasted a couple months. I was back
on the "symptom treatment" merry go round.
Everything I was prescribed only prolonged my misery since they didn't address the "reason" I was having difficulty breathing...I'm thankful I finally discovered a "cure" after 40 years of suffering it was about time! I read about nasal cleansing. I found a site which offered an easy "safe" product that cleansed & soothed my sinuses. I've been breathing drug free for weeks now! I never knew my nose could work so well! This product restores your noses' ability to work naturally & let your nose filter out nasty allergens. Plus, this product
even cleans out viruses, and bacteria including fungi which alot of cortisteroids cause.
I'm so happy I can breathe like nature intended me to.
For all you other sufferers out there. The product is: Nasal Care nasal cleanse.
It's safe & inexpensive! You won't get that from the drug companies!
Here's to restored breathing!
Gloria
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Thank you Dr. Thompson
Gloria
Thursday, November 13, 2008 at 01:43 PM -
Nasal Irrigation/rinse cure or just another treatment?
Gloria
Friday, November 14, 2008 at 04:00 PMHi Dr. Thompson,
As a chronic sinusitis sufferer for about 40 years, I've just found a product that helps you cleanse your sinuses, and it's working! I haven't had clear breathing without decongestants & nasal steroids in years!
My question is, if their claims are true, can this actually be what's considered "a cure"?
Here are their claims & ingredients in their cleansing packs.
They claim the cleansing removes air pollutants, bacteria, viruses & pollen.
The rinse is effective for: cold & flu, chronic sinusitis, post nasal drip & post nasal surgury.
The ingredients of the nasal rinse packets are: sea salt, sodium citrate, citric acid, sodium bicarbonate, and aloe vera extract for soothing the sinuses.
In all honesty, I've never felt better! I can breathe throughout the night. I'm getting a better nights sleep even better than using steroid sprays!
My sinuses are still moist throughout the day. Which is not the case with decongestants...
Does this actually sound like a "cure" rather than just another lame treatment?
I feel better knowing I'm taking something safe without any side effects after suffering a major side effect from a "supposedly safe" common prescription drug...
Thank you for your opinion!
G.
re: Nasal Irrigation/rinse cure or just another treatment?
James Thompson, MD
Saturday, November 15, 2008 at 12:25 AMHi Gloria,
I appreciate your kind review of my postings. Thank you for your comments.
The solution you are using is similar to saline solution of which I am a big fan of. Saline is a solution that has the consistency of our body fluids. Specific amounts of salt (sodium chloride) and bicarbonate in water make up saline. Your remedy has a few additional ingredients (sodium citrate, citric acid and aloe vera extract). The additional ingredients result in a solution that I am not familiar with. But I am familiar with aloe vera. Holistic proponents are very supportive of this remedy although scientific studies are lacking.
The good news is your remedy does not contain a decongestant. You are not likely to become dependent on it. I cannot speak toward the long-term potential for side effects but it appears to be well tolerated by you so far.
The NIH website (National Institute of Health) has an alternative subdivision which is reviewing the effectiveness and potential risks of many herbs and extracts (click here).
To Good Health!
J. Thompson, MD
re: re: sorry for blasting you
Gloria
Saturday, November 15, 2008 at 11:11 PMDr. Thompson,
I must say you're a very gracious man. When I had wrongly blasted you about the "one size fits all" treatment. I apologize for that.
I had suffered a a massive stroke because
I had gone to doctors who unfortunately knew little about the human body, nor didthey know much about practicing "healthcare" their idea for practicing medicine was just write a prescription. Even if they really knew little about any side effects for what they wrote prescriptions for...
Most of my damage to my brain was the frontal lobe so I tend to come accross harsh.
I am working on this, plus I'm too impulsive (another lovely frontal lobe deficit...)
So now you understand my haranging about side effects...after almost dying I'm a little non-trusting of doctors. I don't take anything anymore without reveiwing my PDR, and researching any side effects.
You on the other hand come accross very knowledgeable!
I do apologize for my directness and lack of tact. I think that may be gone forever
Beleive it or not I've come a long long way, after being in a coma for a month. I've had to relearn EVERYTHING.
Respectfully,
Gloria
re: re: re: sorry for blasting you
James Thompson, MD
Sunday, November 16, 2008 at 10:21 AMHi Gloria,
I am sorry you had such a bad experience but I am glad you have recovered from it. No apology is necessary. I think we have had reasonable and rational exchanges. I welcome your opinion, questions or critique of future postings. We all have something to learn and share on this wonderful medium.
Have a good day and week!
J. Thompson, MD
re: re: side effects
Gloria
Sunday, November 16, 2008 at 04:00 PMHi Dr. Thompson,
Ok, for anyone reading this post. I'm going to apoligize now if I offend anyone.
When it comes to the drug companies & the loser doctors who "whore themselves" for them, I tend to rant.
My stroke was caused by the hormones in birth control. They "cause blood clots" no matter how healthy you are even "without" any risk factors...The drug companies & incompetent doctors try hard to cover this fact up.
It was a pharmacist who finally told me the truth, he told me "the hormones are really dangerous because they "change your blood chemistry" making it "thick & sticky" so you WILL clot no matter how young & healthy you are. He told me "it wasn't a matter of "if" when you're on these hormones it's a matter of "when"!
Will a doctor ever tell you the truth about this? Hell no, they make too much money in kick backs to push these drugs. If they don't get kick backs they're just incrdibly ignorant to the side effects like my idiot OBGYN who I had repeatedly asked "shouldn't get off these things I'd been on them for 20 years!
His reply: "honey, you're so incredibly healthy, you have no risk factors, you can stay on them thru menopause!" WRONG! One month after turning 40 I was in a coma fighting for my life! I feel sorry for these young naive girls just like I was, taking Yaz & thinking everything is just fine. Because doctors either refuse to tell them the truth, or they just don't know the truth.
If you don't beleive me ask any nurse she'll tell you the women who've died or become disabled like me. The clot will go either to your heart, lung or brain. I survived to educate women not to be so trusting and lacking knowkedge of any pharmaceutical product you're taking. To stay healthy you need to stay educated about what you're taking, not just trust your doctor knows what he's doing...There are unfortunately many many women like me. I'm not the only one...
Actually, this episode in my life became a blessing, I was set on a new path, prior to the stroke I was just another successful business woman.
I'm lucky, I used that drive which made me a succesful business woman, I channeled into overcoming this obstacle. When told by my dr.s "you may never walk again."
My response:"watch me, get your therapists ready to help me!" It took me years to learn to walk but now 11 years later, I'm walking without my cane and able to walk on my treadmill (holding on ofcourse).
Prior, to this I was incredibly healthy, I even had a personal trainer come to my home. Since my career was so stressful, I worked out to keep my blood pressure low. I owned a staffing company.
Plus being in such good health helped my recovery. I built up my muscles that had atrophied after being paralyzed & in the coma.
Some women I've met who had strokes from birth control, haven't recovered as well.
I said this was a blessing, is because I got to meet my husband thru this ordeal. He accepts me with all my limitations and loves me for who I am not just what I can do...
Even though I've been thru hell, it's was worth it to meet my husband and move from southern CA to beautiful southern Oregon.
My poor employees were affected by this since I was forced to close the company. This was many years ago, the economy was much better I stay in touch with them. My secretary went back to school to go into nursing because of my ordeal...so there's quite a bright side to this nighmare.
Hope I didn't offend anyone. Please keep diligent about learning about your own health it pays off!
Gloria
re: Nasal Irrigation/rinse cure or just another treatment?
J. matthews
Thursday, November 27, 2008 at 11:00 AMre: re: Nasal Irrigation/rinse cure or just another treatment?
Gloria
Thursday, November 27, 2008 at 07:49 PMHi J.
Hope you had a great Thanksgiving!
Yes. I would be happy to tell you. It's a billion times easier than that stupid neti pot!
The company who makes the nasal irrigation is called Nasal Care nasal cleanse they have a patented applicator that just allows the right amount of liquid going into your nose without any "backwash" to contaminate the bottle or remaining solution. I'm small, so I don't use a full applicator one "pre-mixed" pack lasts me 3 rinses! I had been using decongestants & steroids for 40 years so I went overboard and rinsed 3 times a day! I now no longer need to rinse at all! I'm breathing wonderfully congestion free!
The starter kit comes with the applicator and a package of 30 nasal rinse packets. I've been using this for 21/2 weeks now. I still have 17 packets left! If you buy, 1 starter kit & 1 extra 30 day supply. you don't pay for any shipping cost. A30 day supply costs only $8.99 which is what shipping is. It is soo worth it! I can't tell you I never knew how your nose is suppose to work!
Plus, being inexpensive it's safe! That's a claim the drug companies can never offer you! I do use saline solution to keep my nose moist throughout the day.
Good luck! Here's to free & clear breathing...
G.
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Mickie
Wednesday, December 31, 2008 at 11:14 PMPlease HELP me!! I was diagnosed with sleep apnea over a year ago and I began to use a nasal spray to be able to tolerate the stuffiness that accompanied my using a bi-pap machine. Now needless to say I am addicted! I have been cold turkey off the nasal spray for 4 days going into the 5th day and I am MISERABLE!!! I am so past ready to throw in the towel and sniff away. I am totally clogged pretty much all day, everyday. I barely eat as I can taste nothing and sometimes I am so clogged, especially at nite I feel I can barely swallow. I thought surely by now things would be a whole lot better but THEY ARE NOT!! I just cannot take it barely ONE MORE DAY! What can I do before I give up? I have REALLY, REALLY tried. Please respond SOON!!!! Thankyou so much for ANY advice. Or can you at least tell me how long I will have to "tough it out" before I see REAL progress?? I am going to bed at anytime now and if I don't have a sensible response when I wake then I fear thats it! THANKYOU
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Mickie
Wednesday, December 31, 2008 at 11:26 PMPS. I have tried the saline sprays and it was as though I used nothing. The active ingredient in the nasal spray I use is Oxymetazoline Hydrochloride. Hopefully I am spelling that correct. Hopefully you put this email in with my first one. I just forgot these things in the first email
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James Thompson, MD
Thursday, January 01, 2009 at 01:20 PMHi Mickie,
It doesn't seem you've had a good start to the New Year but Happy New Year anyway. I'm sorry your attempt to stop the over-the-counter nasal spray decongestant has caused such severe rebound congestion. Your overuse of the nasal spray has caused dependency which results in the severe blockage you are experiencing. You really need professional medical help to assist you in staying off the topical nasal decongestant. It's often too hard to do cold turkey on your own. Nasal saline just doesn't cut it, as you can see.
It is probably too difficult for you to see your doctor or a specialist on the holiday. You may have already gone back to using your nasal spray by the time you read this message. If so, don't worry. There is a way to approach your problem that often works, at least in the short term. The long term outlook is more based on your level of determination, in my opinion.
It is very important you see a doctor that is familiar with treating rhinitis medicamentosa. Make a copy of my Sharepost and find a medical doctor that treats patients for this type of sinus disorder (preferably an allergist or ENT specialist). Some internist or family doctors may be able to treat you based on their experience. Prescription nasal sprays as well as oral steroid may be prescribed after you are evaluated. Sometimes other problems are identified, such as sinus infection, deviated septum or nasal polyps.
Again, seeing an allergist or ENT specialist would be ideal but it may take some time to get an appointment.
Best Wishes,
J. Thompson, MD
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Rhinoplasty and nasal sprays
Anonymous
Sunday, March 08, 2009 at 12:00 PMI had a rhinoplasty 2 months ago. I was able to breath a little during the first month, but at the beginning of the second month I got sick with a cold. After that, I have been unable to breath normally through my nose. I started using Afrin and read that it might cause side effects. I consulted with my surgeon and he recomemded I get a shot for my allergies. After that shot, I was able to breath for about 12 hours and then my congested started all over again. I don't know what to do because I think I am getting addicted to Sinex (oxymetazoline). I belive it may be my turbunates that are overly large, but I don't know if it's becuase of the rhinoplasty I had.
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what about Sinus Buster: Hot pepper spray?
froggie
Sunday, March 08, 2009 at 12:41 PMI came across this Sinus Buster hot pepper spray while researching the effects of OTC nasal sprays. This "pepper spray" allegedly weans a person off the chemicals on OTC sprays such as Afrin. Have you head of this before? How true is it that this pepper spray can help releave the addiction to Afrin or other nasal sprays.
Thanks
re: what about Sinus Buster: Hot pepper spray?
James Thompson, MD
Monday, March 16, 2009 at 10:44 AMHi Froggie,
Sorry about the delay in replying to your comment. Sinus Buster is relatively new to the drug market and as you may know was developed by Wayne Perry. This is the guy that went around the country, years ago, demonstrating how to defend against would be attackers or muggers. In the process he allowed himself to be sprayed in the face with Red Pepper Spray (Ouch!!). He even made the Oprah show.
For a while he was quite successful peddling his defense video tapes but later fell on hard times. But he discovered that the pepper spray quickly relieved one of his "cluster headaches" during one of his demos. Cluster headaches are similar to migraines but more common in men, and more associated with nasal symptoms.
To make a long story shorter, Mr. Perry invented the idea of using the main ingredient of Red Pepper Spray as a nasal spray therapeutic. With a roughly $350 investment he developed a million dollar enterprise in a matter of months.
There are no good studies to reflect on its effectiveness and safety (that I am aware of). I am very familiar with the active ingredient, Capsaicin which has been studied for years for other types of treatments. Currently there are only testimonials driving the market for this drug. I have not come across a specific explanation on how it works on the sinuses. I don't know how effective it would be for Rhinitis Medicamentosa (addiction to some OTC nasal sprays). I have not seen any studies to prove it.
Final Comment:
Good clinical studies are needed to answer your questions. Some wonderful medications start out this way though. Stay tuned to this drug regarding reports and clinical trials. If it is as good as some reports say it is, it will be around for a long time. I prefer to learn a little more about it before recommending it for use in sinus treatment.
Thank you for your comments and questions!
J. Thompson, MD
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Afrin Addiction
Anonymous
Monday, August 10, 2009 at 07:23 AMDear Sir,
How do I help my husband get off afrin? He refuses to admit there is a problem, yet he simply cannot breathe with sucking afrin all day and night. I told him already that you are not ever supposed to use the spray more than 3 days and I have never used it myself because of the rebound effects. It does not seem to be worth the risk to use it. His eyes get flaming red and weep sometimes for 2-3 days.
Help, please,
Catherine H.
re: Afrin Addiction
James Thompson, MD
Friday, October 09, 2009 at 11:51 PMHi C.H.,
Somehow I missed the comments along this thread of emails. I humbly apologize. your spouse may not need my advice now. But for what its worth, having him see an allergy specialist would be of potential benefit. He really needs to get off OTC nasal spray decongestant. He appears to really be hooked. I hope he has already seen a specialist by now. Try to locate an allergist by checking these Websites: Google- AAAAI or ACAAI
Then click on allergist locator.
Good Luck!
J. Thompson, MD
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nasal sprays
Anonymous
Friday, August 28, 2009 at 08:41 PMI HAVE USED NASAL SPRAYS FOR MANY YEARS AND NOW I SEEM TO HAVE A BURNING SENSATION THROUGH MY NOSE UP INTO THE TOP OF MY HEAD AND MY TEECH ACHE QUITE A BIT. WHEN I LAY DOWN IT MOST OF THE TIME WILL EASE UP OR GO AWAY. DO YOU THINK THIS COULD BE CAUSED FROM MY LONG TERM USE OF NASAL SPRAYS ? i HAVE HAD AN MRI AND THAT SHOWED I HAD NOTHING WRONG WITH MY BRAIN, NO TUMORS OR BRAIN CANCER. THIS IS VERY PAINFUL AND IM WONDEREING IF I SHOULD SEE A NOSE SPECIALIST OR AM I WASTING MY TIME?
re: nasal sprays
James Thompson, MD
Friday, October 09, 2009 at 11:58 PMHi,
I'm so sorry about the delay in answering your question. If you by chance are still struggling with this problem, see an ENT (Ear, Nose and Throat) specialist. The ENT spec. will thoroughly examine your nose and sinuses. You may have some irritation from the nasal spray, or possibly an infection. If you are still having this problem, stop the nasal spray medication, try nasal saline spray until you can get evaluated by an ENT specialist.
Good Luck!
J. Thompson, MD
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rhinitis medicamentosa
Anonymous
Sunday, October 04, 2009 at 07:58 PMWhat is the preferred treatment for rhinitis medicamentosa when the patient has high blood pressure, an enlarged prostate, and impaired kidney function? Would the impaired kidney function rule out steroid use?
re: rhinitis medicamentosa
James Thompson, MD
Saturday, October 10, 2009 at 12:07 AMHi,
High blood pressure and prostate enlargement means extra caution (many times avoidance) of oral decongestants. Antihistamines won't raise blood pressure but they can aggravate bladder/prostate problems. Prescribed steroids are okay, but with some precautions because of some salt retention related to cortisone based steroids.
These issues would be under consideration by any board certified allergist on the case. An allergist should be giving you guidelines to treat this problem.
Good Luck!
J. Thompson, MD
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I started using nasal sprays when I was about 18 years old. I'm now 78! I was seeing a Dr Hall every week and he was giving me shots for alergies. These shots cost me $5.00 each. After getting these shots for over a year, one day I asked him how long it would be before I could quit taking them.
He told me that I should use nasal spray because it would be a lot cheaper. He said that was what he used, and he took a bottle out of his pants pocket. The next week I quit going to him and I have been using the nasal spray ever since.
I was warned that I'd lose my sense of smell.........that didn't happen and a bottle lasts for weeks.
I don't use it at night much because I have sleep apnea and wear a mask with a water tank.