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Watch Medications for all Elders, Particularly Those with Dementia

Carol Bradley Bursack
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Tuesday, September 08, 2009
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After my dad's brain surgery left him demented, the doctors put him on the anti-psychotic drug Haldol. He was in the hospital and we were still being told that nothing went wrong from the surgery and he would be just fine. The fact that he had a voice in his head and was not at all the same as before...
  1. Untitled Comment
    N.C.
    Tuesday, September 08, 2009 at 06:20 PM

    Carol, your post is right, one needs to watch out for the medications for the elderly who has  dementia. My father-in-law has a long history of the changes of medications since late 2006. First of all, aricept made him lose appetite so we stopped it. Then the blood thinner made him literally  worse in AD and got sicker in 2007. We stopped the AD drugs in 9/2008. This year is again new - he got congestive heart failure and has 7 medications all for his heart. The other danger is in the fall/winter in 2008, he didn't have any medications as the doctor thought it was best for him to have none. Wrong - he got so sick twice that he was diagnosed with congestive heart failure and started new regime of these 7 medications for his heart. He even has cardiologist now as we don't quite like his family doctor who stopped all the drugs.

     

    Indeed it is important to watch out. We are fortunate that the caregivers are alert and my FIL also can complain about his confusion  before we stopped the drugs. Now we just observe his vital signs. Have to measure his BP every day.

     

    It is not easy. Sometimes I am afraid the family doctor got tired of such changes...

     

    Regards,
    Nina

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    re: Untitled Comment
    Carol Bradley Bursack
    Wednesday, September 09, 2009 at 06:52 AM

    Hi Nina,

    I used to worry about the doctor's getting "tied of hearing about it." But we are the advocates and a doctor's job is to pay attention. Someone with AD is very likely to not understand what is happening (sometimes none of us do). You are fortunate that you FIL has been able to communicate some of it.

     

    Your are also right that saying no medication is not the answer. Many health problems require medication. But any medication change dictates additional attention to changes in the person taking the meds - positive or negative.

     

    Thanks for you comment and input. It's always valuable.

    Carol

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    re: doctors' attention
    N.C.
    Wednesday, September 09, 2009 at 11:55 AM

    It is wrong that the doctors get tired of changing drugs or paying attention to this matter. I really think my FIL's doctor was playing slow medicine and didn't really care so much until things happen. Even the home care nurse does not like him and she told him that she would report it if he does not pay attention to our calls.

    Thanks for your reply,

    Nina

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  2. Medication Management
    Whitneyb1357
    Thursday, September 10, 2009 at 04:44 PM

    Monitering ones medication can be a great challenge for any individual or care giver. I found that a medicatin dispenser can make the world of difference. The one I found here

    http://www.activeforever.com/p-5068-med-e-lert-automatic-pill-dispenser-with-alarm.aspx works so well!

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    re: Medication Management
    gypsywild
    Thursday, September 10, 2009 at 05:10 PM

    Thanks for medication dispenser info. My mother has AD but doesn't want to give up total control of her meds. and when I have to remind her to take them, it just starts an argument. I Just ordered dispenser can't wait to get it. Thank you. Lori

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    re: re: Medication Management
    Carol Bradley Bursack
    Thursday, September 10, 2009 at 05:55 PM

    It's nice if you can find alternatives for not totally taking over for as long as you can. Good luck with this.

    Carol

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  3. Meds and dementia
    louise o
    Thursday, September 10, 2009 at 08:03 PM

    As a director of nursing in long term care for 25 years working with frail elderly in general, and those with dementia's in particular, I also cannot stress the need for family advocacy. But I also encourage positive communication with healthcare providers until you get the answers you need.  Hospitals get stuck using medications like Haldol and Ativan to calm residents so that IV lines and other care can be provided with safety.  The consequence is almost always sedation and increased confusion and worsening of dementia symptoms. Every medication that is used today may result in severe or strange side effects in any individual, but especially the elderly.  The drug that works well for many may have terrible side effects in others.  Don't kill the messangers, but keep up communication and advocacy!

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    re: Meds and dementia
    Carol Bradley Bursack
    Friday, September 11, 2009 at 08:49 AM

    Oh, Louise, I wish there were more professionals like you!

    Thanks for the comment,

    Carol

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    MelIce97
    Thursday, September 10, 2009 at 11:29 PM

    Dear Carol,

       A couple of issues to be addressed here.  First is that if you have the Medical Power of Attorney for your loved one that you are taking care of (at least here in Ohio) you

    have the right to access his/her medical files at any time to determine exactly what

    type of treatment(s) i.e. meds they are receiving and should not hesitate for a moment to exercise that right.  You might run into a great deal of grief from medical

    staff but they must obey the law.

       Secondly, and let's face it, doctors as a whole, hate to have their judgement questioned or to admit that they might possibly be wrong.  As you have stated, you

    are the one who knows the patient best because you have been their caretaker.  You

    know their pain levels, their behavior patterns even though they maybe erratic due

    to the nature of their dementia.  Therefore you must stand in for them and when a

    medicine does not seem to be working or causes a very inappropriate response, it be-

    comes your responsibility to take the steps necessary to get your loved one off that

    med as quickly and as safely as possible even if it means a face to face show down

    and possible change of doctors.  As you said, "Know your meds or learn about them."

    As a former practioner, I was absolutely appalled that a psychiatrist would place a

    person suffering from from Dementia and just recovering from brain surgery on a

    heavy duty anti-psychotic like Haldol.

       Thirdly you mentioned Neurontin as being used as a seizure medication.  As an epi-

    leptic who is now on her twelvth (12) medication in an attempt to control the seizures

    which were under control for almost thirty years by Dilantin, I can tell you that

    Neurontin has never even been suggested or recommended.  It has been used for some time by a friend of mine to control the pain he is suffering from two (2) herniated

    disks in his neck.

       Lastly, if you run into some unexlained complictions with some medication and can

    find no explanation from your doctor, pharmicist, or any Web site, the FDA encour-

    ages you to report same to them.  That request along with a telephone number or

    a Web site usually accompanies any new delivery of medication.

     

    Sincerely,

    MelIce97

    P.S.  I'm sorry for any erors but my spell check is not working and my computer is on

    its last legs.

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    re: Untitled Comment
    Carol Bradley Bursack
    Friday, September 11, 2009 at 08:48 AM

    No problem. You wrote a good post and we thank you for your information. Take care,

    Carol

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  5. When a medication dispenser can help
    Sanford Freed
    Friday, September 11, 2009 at 09:48 AM

    I'm glad to see whitneyb and gypsywild's comments about medication dispensers. SafeCall has been providing medication dispenser service 1999 (www.safecall.biz) and have learned a few things about insuring a successful placement of these devices.

    First, earlier is better. Current medications can help slow the advance of dementia symptoms associated with AD. Their effectiveness will be determined by how early in the disease they become administered. If there is a suspicion that you are dealing with AD, you should encourage a med dispenser sooner rather than later. Once the elder has moved into later stages, the medication's effectiveness is limited as will be the dispenser's.

    Second, the goal is to swallow the medication, not administer it. I've seen families so focused on having the medication removed from the dispenser that they forget to complete the process by "put the meds into your mouth and swallowing". Seems obvious but needs to be covered.

    Third, decorate the dispenser with 'friendlies'. Pictures, drawings, words of faith, anything that associates positively with the elder. Make the dispenser a friend.

     

    Sanford Freed

    President

    www.safecall.biz

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    re: When a medication dispenser can help
    Carol Bradley Bursack
    Friday, September 11, 2009 at 09:50 AM

    Excellent comments. Thank you! Yes, they must be ingested in order to work: )

     

    Best,

    Carol

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