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N.C.
Tuesday, November 10, 2009 at 03:37 PM -
A fine line
N.C.
Tuesday, November 10, 2009 at 05:14 PMEven if the rule allows hospice, I would say it is up to the family decide when to go in the hospice program, medicare or not. In reality, stage 7 of AD takes 1 to 3 years. Not just 6 months as hospice dictates. Maybe for most people, they cannot live long in stage 7 but there are some cases when the elders can sustain this stage for 3 years or so. I understand these people are by now living in a horrible vaccum and would not have any meaning for life. But in pro-life point of view, the hospice can always start much later when the person cannot swallow and etc. At least when the person stops talking, he can still watch with his eyes. When the person stops feeding himself, the caregiver can feed him unless he does not accept that. I know this stage is a hard stage for caregiving and the elder would be violent when he receives caregiving or help.
Drawing a fine line between hospice and skilled nursing care is important. It is not proper to think of hospice right away just because this person stops talking or walking or feeding himself.
Nina
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Skilled-care or hospice?
Joseph
Tuesday, November 10, 2009 at 11:46 PMHi Nina, It is my understanding that Hospice doesn't function to expedite an end to life, but rather to make that end more comfortable. Usually, nursing home staff will approach the family with information about Hospice care before the "need" arises. In this case "need" is a subjective term, as some will decline this optional level of care for many different reasons. For some, Hospice is an admission of giving up or losing hope. It isn't unusual for family members facing these circumstances, to remain in denial long after the futility of continued medical care becomes obvious. The continuation of life by artificial means may seem necessary to some, whereas allowing someone to die without such intervention, may seem more humane to others.
A terminal illness, by its very definition suggests that skilled-care (nursing) will only be useful for a while. At some point, the decision to "let go" and make the person comfortable may be the best idea. It's not so much a decision to let someone die, as it is, to allow someone to, when it's going to happen anyway. I think that dying in comfort is certainly preferable to dying in a room connected to machines prolonging the inevitable. People should let conscience be their guide in deciding this process, not emotion. Acceptance of the reality that a loved one's life is ending, may be helpful in reaching a good decision. This is not a case of getting it right or getting it wrong, as much as it is, doing what feels right and appropriate for the loved one.
Anyone interested in Hospice should explore www.hospicenet.org for more information. It's a great web page with a lot of useful information. Best Wishes -- Joe
re: Skilled-care or hospice?
N.C.
Wednesday, November 11, 2009 at 10:48 AMI understand that hospice is for comfort. My late MIL was in hospice for cancer. However there are some rules in hospice that the family may not like. I think hospice is super for suffering patients. Just be aware that some of the rules or methods the hospice apply may not be compatible with the family's need or ideas. Yes we all want them to be comfortable but it is not a rigid way to handle these patients. e.g., my FIL needed to tell them to put the IV food back as he thought it was cruel to "starve" her and he also needed to tell them to put on the oxygen mask to make her feel better.
My FIL is the conservative person that is pro-life alhtough now he wants to die at times as he is confused with his state. I just don't want to be hijacked by the hospice. It is still family right to do what the family wants to do, hospice or not.
Nina
re: re: Skilled-care or hospice?
Joseph
Thursday, November 12, 2009 at 03:56 AMI agree that the family should make inquiries about the Hospice plan so that they know what to expect. They should also share any religious or other preferences with them to ensure that the patient's and the family's wishes are observed in the end-of-life care plan. This will vary from one situation to another due to differences in social values, but should be monitored for compliance by the family. Hospice is an optional level of care that can be tailored to a particular set of family defined values. If it fails to meet the expectations of the patient or the family, it can be terminated.--Joe
re: re: re: Skilled-care or hospice?
N.C.
Thursday, November 12, 2009 at 12:21 PMIt is true we can always change it. The thing is for AD elders, any change or move is really a big stress on him or the family. The other thing I was looking at is about how early this hospice could start for stage 7 AD patient. The issue is the hospice may not need to start until mid-stage 7 or later when the person cannot swallow. Medicare rule does not mean that hospice needs to be done. Everyone is different and each elder with AD is different. My FIL is known to progress much slower due to his high education level. So I doubt that we could start hospice in the beginning when he stops talking or walking. Unless it is multiple malfunction (eveyrthing stops at the same time), I don't think hospice is necessary unless there is money issue that requires Medicare insurance coverage.
I know the woman in the facility meant it is the option but she sounded like it is done regularly and it is just not true in reality. We are not going there anyway because I was just checking out info.
Thanks for your support.
Nina
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Medicare allows hospice for stage 7 of Alzheimer's patients. It is a little complicated. After 90 days if the person is still alive, there is prequalified period again.
I didn't know this rule. I thought people with AD can have hospice only if they cannot swallow and need feeding tube.
Nina