Tuesday, January 10, 2012 wendy grobler asks

Q: Having problems in bathing a patient, he refuses too take a shower. What do i do too get him too take a shower?

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Christine Kennard, Health Pro
1/10/12 6:36am

Hi Wendy

 

Trying to encourage someone with Alzheimer's to take a shower when they refuse is a common problem.  I am pleased that you have highlighted this issue as it is one, as you realize, that needs to be handled with care. You can feel you are caught between a rock and a hard place as a nurse.To have your patient looking uncared for because they refuse to cooperate with basic hygiene procedures can reflect badly on you. There are a number of things you can do.

If they refuse walk away and try again later. 

Later offer him/her a bath or a help them wash if they continue to refuse.

Sometimes changing the way you approach a situation can make all the difference. Make a joke of something, make the idea of a shower their idea by distracting them to gather their towel/wash things/clothes etc.

Keep calm,
Speak to her/him with a soft even voice
Reassure her/him
Tell her in simple language what you are doing and why
Do not force her unless the situation puts her or you at risk

If this problem continues discuss it with their family and his/her doctor as they may give you ideas about how to get their cooperation.

 

Remember the first rule of nursing-always cover yourself by sharing the problem with your boss! :o)

 

Here are links to more on this subject that may help you and give you some ideas.

Problem Behavior in Mid to Late stage Alzheimer's

Refusing to cooperate

Let us know how you get on.

 

All my best wishes

Christine

 

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12/26/12 5:11am

I doubt any of these would have worked for me. When I asked him to take a bath he insisted he just took one and that he was a grown man and nobody had to tell him when to take a bath. He stated he would "go home" if I mentioned it one more time. The only way I could have got him to bathe would be to force him. How do you force somebody into a tub withoiut hurting them, and keep them there long enough to get clean? This AD person normally bathes without any assistance. How can you be sure that the AD person is clean when they get out, having bathed without assistance, if you yourself has no sense of smell? 

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12/26/12 5:14am

These may work well for a sweet little old lady type, but not for the stubborn old strong-willed goat I was taking care of. What might work for that type?

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Christine Kennard, Health Pro
12/26/12 10:48am

Hi

You sound very frustrated. I am worried that you describe your patient as a " ....stubborn old strong-willed goat". There are times when most care staff find they have difficulty dealing with one of the residents. It might be a good idea to ask one of the other nurses to try encouraging him to take a shower (or maybe offer a bath instead). Nurses are not expected to be super human beings and we all get days when things just do not seem to go right. :0) 

 

You will know that people with Alzheimer's need to be thought of and treated with great respect. You are correct in thinking that you cannot " ..force" your patients to do anything.

 

I hope I have not mis-read your question.

 

Christine

 

Christine

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Carol Bradley Bursack, Health Guide
1/10/12 8:40am

Christine gave you wonderful advice and her article is very helpful. Keeping the environment calm, the temperature comfortable, soft music and other soothing approaches can help. There are also, now, on the market, dry shampoos that are quite effective and large "wipes" made for the whole body, so you may be able to keep the person clean without as much fuss as a frequent shower. This is one of those common, but tough issues that has no one answer for everyone.

Good luck,

Carol

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12/26/12 5:20am

My patient would always complain about that type of thing ( WIPES) being too cold on hhis skin. Is sensitivity to cold a common problem? Are wipes coverd by insurance? If not, Why not just use washcloth and soap?  Do you think that a person who refuses to bathe may be willing to wipe themselves down instead?

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Carol Bradley Bursack, Health Guide
12/26/12 6:35am

Is it possible to store the wipes near a furnace vent or somewhere that is naturally warm? That may help the temperature problem.

People with AD are not likely to understand what the wipes are for, so wiping him or herself down isn't likely going to work.

Sometimes the caregiver must approach calmly and try and if it doesn't work, just act like it's no big deal, then try again later. It's frustrating, I know. But finding a compromise between cleanliness and at least acceptible conditons is often all we can do.

 

Take care,

Carol

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12/26/12 2:30pm

Hi Carol,

 

Thanks for your response. Fortunately I admitted my patient last week to assisted living. Bath time is now their problem. Mainly I was resesarching this to find out what I could have done. I was very curious as to how others might handle this very difficult situation to which I had absoluely no answers to. Between my health being extremely poor due to lack of sleep and taking care of my patient for 24/7 for 5 years without even one hour off, I finally had to let go and admit him. I just couldn't do it anymore. We all reach that point sooner or later. He is doing ok there.

 

Cheryl

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1/10/12 11:47am

Christie gave you good advice. Usually the person stops taking a shower the first time because they don't remember the steps of doing it and needs guidance. In the beginning, it helps if the person has a helper in the bathroom with him. Gently tell him each step. Test the water for him as he would be afraid of water and the temp. Prepare his clothes for him in order. Organize it so that the person can be at ease. Gradually later on in later stage, the person will not like the bath whatsoever. The caregivers usually just give the older person a bath once a week. e.g., my father-in-law hates to be washed because he is afraid of water. So they only bathe him once a week. He is 91 so for a very old person, once a week is enough with dry skin. You can give him sponge bath as well on the bed if he cannot go to the bathroom. However, for sponge bath, you have to gently tell him you will go over the private part. The person also gets embarrassed that someone else has to wash him.

 

Take care,

NC

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12/26/12 5:28am

Now, you might be onto someting. I wondered why my patient refused to bathe. It wasn't a common problem before. I never thought that maybe he forgot how or was afraid of the water. I thought he was just proving what a stubborn old goat he could really be. Good to know that once weekly is enough. My former patient was 90, now in assisted living.

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AFA Social Services, Health Guide
1/11/12 10:27am

This is a common challenge that many caregivers face.  First, the bathing routine should follow the same pattern as prior to the disease.  So, if your patient showered in the morning before breakfast, you should attempt to follow that schedule as much as you are able.  You want to set up the bathing experience for success, not failure.  So be mindful of the many possible issues that could be contributing to your patient's refusal to shower, such as fear of the water, unwillingness or lack of desire to get undressed, inability to understand or process the bathing experience, and/or disorientation to place.  Always approach your patient from the front, give clear and simple instructions, give verbal and visual cues, and be sure to provide privacy.   Generally, a good rule to go by is to maintain an individual's health while upholding dignity and right to quality of life. If your patient needs to be bathed regularly for medical reasons, such as to prevent skin breakdown or because of infections, then it is necessary to forge ahead and try various techniques to ease the process.  Having said all this, be aware of any behavioral changes or signals from your patient that perhaps bathing would not be a good idea at this time.  If there are no real health concerns, and your patient really prefers to shower or bathe less frequently than you would like, you may wish to "choose your battles" and consider other options, such as sponge or sink baths or disposable personal wipes for the time in-between real showers.

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12/26/12 5:36am

Wow, social services! Now, you are people I really wanted to talk with. I want to know how you view it when a care provider has a lot of trouble getting a person to bathe because the care provider just simply doesn't know how to accomplish this and doesn't know where to turn. Do you penalize them?

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12/26/12 5:04am

Tell him when he comes out you will give him some ice crea as a reward. Don't worry if you don't have any - he won't remember past 60 seconds anyway. This didn't work for my patient. That's why I am on here at 2am doing this research  Maybe it will work for yours. If not, then maybe I at least got you to laugh as I know as care providers with patients who refuse to bathe we need all the laughs we can get. Hope you have better luck with yours than I did with mine. Finally gave up. I couldn't take it any more. He is in a great Assisted Living place. I am wondering how on earth they get him to bathe! At least he is now their problem, not mine!

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Carol Bradley Bursack, Health Guide
12/26/12 2:34pm

Congratulations on knowing when it's time for someone to move up to another degree on care. You sound great!

Take care,

Carol

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12/26/12 3:07pm

Hi Carol,

 

Problem was I didn't know when it was time. I waited too long like so many do. After 1 week of suffering from heart strain and then starting to have chest pain, I knew I couldn't go another day and finally had no choice. I was so exhausted that I lost my abilityto drive for 2 months.

 

Thanks for saying I sound great. I sure didn't feel great when his son told me that it was reported to him that when his dad was admitted he hadn't bathed, hence had not been well taken care of. I couldn't even sleep last night. This was very disturbing to me. I was very ill and did the very best I could to take care of him. It just wasn't good enough.

 

Cheryl

 

 

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Carol Bradley Bursack, Health Guide
12/26/12 3:14pm

That's terrible for you. I"m so glad you are out of that situation. I hope you're recovering. It's a good reminder for people that caregiving can strain the caregiver's health to the breaking point. You did all that you could.

Blessings,

Carol

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12/26/12 3:45pm

Hi Carol,

 

Yes, so glad to be out of the 24/7 situation. But unfortunatley it didn't end there. I am still POA, VA payee and the primary contact person for the home. There is just nobody else to take on this responsibility. The son I mentioned si a crack cocaine addict so I don't want to turn the finances over to him. So now I still have a lot of responsibilty, without any pay. I must start back to work soon too. Hard to recover when I still have this stress. I wanted to get out of the picture altogether. Just can't. I am still in extremely poor shape mentally and physically. But I am able to drive a few miles now so there is some improvement since admittance. It just takes time to heal.

 

Thanks for your reassurance.

 

Cheryl

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