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Overcoming Stuckness in PTSD

By Hypno Wednesday, March 23, 2011

It dawned on me that a number of people who I have met in the past or have heard from on this site have shared a common pattern of behaviour towards overcoming thier PTSD or anxiety (or indeed depressive) condition. One that I too had difficulty with for a long time until I found the "key" that "unlocked" the way in to my recovery and future without PTSD. 

 

So...what is this "Stuckness"...We state boldly that we wish to overcome our condition and yet persistently say we have tried numerous treatments to no good effect.

 

We can state our symptoms. We can often attribute these symptoms to some form of emotional response to an adverse event or events in the past...and we can even state how we know we ought to be responding to life in the present or future...yet for some reason we remain "stuck" with our condition for months and years on end.

 

I have often shared with people techniques that I found useful in overcoming my previously held emotional responses and repetitive behaviour patterns to life challenges. I've shared all sorts of approaches to intervention such as Hypnotherapy, Meditation, Mindfulness, NLP, CBT, Gestalt, Tranactional Analysis...you name it...however in all approaches it appears that the underlying factor in each and every approach is the need to shift our centre of focus with regard to WHO WE ARE. Our Identity. Our CORE BELIEFS and how we project these onto the world around us and our interaction with others.

 

I had often heard the quote "If a belief isn't helpful, then change it" yet for many years had resisted any concept of changing my CORE BELIEFS as I viewed them to be good beliefs to hold. They were to be upheld no matter what.They defined my approach to life. "Be good to others." "Treat others how you would want to be treated yourself." "If you know enough about a dangerous environment you can protect yourself and escape without harm." The list is endless.The trouble was I was projecting these beliefs onto the world. I expected others to treat me the same. I was shocked when they did not do so. I thought I knew how to protect myself from harm and was shocked when I could not do so. My beliefs also meant that their were unforeseen ramifications due to extrapolation of those beliefs which went deep into the core of my psyche causing havoc and chaos. If I thought "If I treat others as I would expect to be treated myself and I acted to please others, then they in turn (I expected!) would treat me in the same way and do me no harm." So when others acted in a different manner towards me yet I saw they behaved decently towards others I thought "WHY ME?" When I was involved in an accident and others were not "WHY ME?" It was a very egocentric view of the world and life. It was an issue of control. I thought by my actions I could control the actions of others. I thought if I could control my environment, I could control my wellbeing. It was also ALL or Nothing thinking.It was also projecting a moral motive on the actions of myself and others. Due to the emphasis on motive, I was then subjectively asking WHY things happened to me rather than objectively asking HOW did those events come to happen, HOW did they unfold, HOW was I affected as a result and HOW can I approach life differently in the future.

Eileen Bailey, Health Guide
3/24/11 9:23am

Hypno

 

Thanks for this very thoughtful post. Although I don't suffer from PTSD, I have recently been through a very stressful and trying period in my life. It seemed everytime I turned around, there was another problem and all the other ones weren't getting resolved so the stress just kept piling up. I could (and did) get angry about the situations and other people's reactions to the situations, but that didn't do anything but get me more frustrated.

 

Finally, I realized that it wasn't for me to change other people's reactions and behaviors, it was for me only to control and change my own. I had to stick to my beliefs, had to make decisions based on what I believed was right. I could not force other people to think or behave as I wanted them to. But I could accept that they were acting based on their beliefs and I was acting based on mine. We don't have to agree.

 

Since I have become more focused on doing what I believe is right and best for me, despite what everyone around me may think, I have become more at peace and content with my life. I can't say the problems around me have resolved themselves but they are slowly untangling and I am more focused on doing what is best for me and my family, rather than worrying about what everyone else is doing and thinking.

 

Thanks again for your post.

 

Eileen

4/ 2/11 4:48pm

     I can completely relate to your "Stuckness".  I can identify my issues and have in the last year or so, learned where they came from and why I think the ways I do, but still can't seem to change.  It seems that I am traveling the same road over and over, going in circles.  I can't seem to find an alternate route.  I don't know why.

     I do think that there are a lot of us who from an early age or dramatic experience have been given or formulated a defective/incorrect "rule book" for life an living.  I think that we over protect ourselves and are constantly on the defensive to protect ourselves from life/people/pain.  We formulate possible scenarios and possible outcomes to protect ourselves from harm. 

     Our core values may have been instilled incorrectly.  Our beliefs may not be in our best interest.  We may not have our best interests at heart.  Our thoughts and actions may make us our own worst enemies. 

     So...Do we need to change our whole way of thinking?  Rewire what has been wired for years and is now our second nature?  Differentiate between our correct and incorrect ideals and values.  Lose what we know as "US" to rediscover a new "US".  I DON'T KNOW!?!?!?  And here is where I find my traveling in circles starting over again....

4/ 2/11 5:10pm

Hi Rena,

 

It's no longer a circle...you have now recognised that our "conditioning" is deep...and being "deep" means it ain't (is not) always obvious! I find that because we are not beneficiaries of this wonderful "emotionally well" upbringing we have a deep hole to dig before we get to the root of our difficulties. The best way I have found to do this "digging" is 1cm at a time (1inch =2.5cm approx) - in other words slowly and surely. Don't stress yourself. It is not a race...and if you need to 1cm ...or even 1mm at a time!...the measure is if you find a move (however slight) towards (uplifting)health.

 

I am very tired at the moment (my bedtime is due) yet have more to add to this reply to your response...I'll add more to this response tomorrow.

 

In the meantime...Thank you very much for your response. It is greatly appreciated and I'll add more response tomorrow.

 

Kindest Regards,

 

Hypno.

4/ 2/11 5:19pm

Rena,

 

Just want to quickly say...we don't need to change our healthy beliefs...for example "we should treat people with respect" , "Be kind to others" , etc. ....However we need to reflect on our strategies for accomplishing these values and why we have "formulated" these. For example, we don't need to please our abusers....We may also need to change our tolerance levels of others who choose to transgress us, before we choose to eliminate them from our lives.

 

I will as previously stated ..respond more fully tomorrow>

 

With the greatest of respect,

 

Hypno

4/ 2/11 5:21pm

     Here's to uplifting health and new discoveries.  We deserve them!  Sleep well and have sweet dreams.  P.S.-  1" = 2.54 cm  :)

4/ 2/11 5:27pm

Keep our good traits and ditch the bad ones.  We need to weed our inner gardens.  :)  Rest well my friend.

 

Sincerely,

 

Rena

4/ 2/11 5:37pm

ok Rena,

......I quoted to 1d.p. (d.p.=decimal place)...therefore I said approx. Do you realise that our measures of tolerance are of a differnt magnitude by one d.p. !...but to the rest of the world ... we still tolerate too much !!!!!!

 

nite nite - or night night...

 

Thanks

 

Hypno

4/ 2/11 5:41pm

Rena,

 

Thank you and goodnight...sweet dreams to you also...I've decided to dream about dolphins tonight...

 

Hypno

4/ 2/11 5:53pm

I love dolphins.  They are such wonderful and beautiful creatures.

4/ 3/11 7:24pm

Hi Rena,

 

As promised a little more I wanted to say about the going round in circles...have you heard of double loop learning? If not try and look it up...I found it helpful when considering my core values and repetitive behaviours.

 

One of the strangest "discoveries" I made was although I thought my core values were good ones to have I realised that they were based more on what I would get back from them rather than what others would benefit from them. I did not realise that for a very long time. For example "treat others as you would be treated yourself" really just about said it all...When others didn't treat me with respect, I assumed that they did not hold the same core values that I held, but the opposite. However, if someone had asked the others why they had behaved in such a way they no doubt would have looked at it from a very different perspective - and not just the opposite of what my core values were...

 

Basically, I needed to empathise more, to ask more questions and gather more evidence from other people before placing my trust in them. I needed to understand where they were coming from and where they were going to, to identify whether we could share life's journey, or we would be destined to upset or even worse abuse one another. I realised I needed to improve my communication...and listen to my intuition when warning bells were heard. I think that I had a utopian ideal that I thought would be possible to achieve by me treating others with respect...which of course didn't come to fruition. Eventually, I realised that when people started to abuse me I thought they would stop if I told them I didn't like what they were doing and showed them unconditional positive regard...unfortunately all I got was more abuse. They just experienced me as a walk-over! I wasn't protecting myself from them..I was more or less inviting them to abuse me some more or to escalate their behaviour. It was a tough lesson to learn...and I had to practice behaving in totally different ways and then analyse how I was reacting in these new encounters. I had to increase my separation from them psychologically and sometimes physically, to maintain my boundaries, to act on my intuition and gather more information in the moment before reacting to them in order to decide the most appropriate behaviour under the circumstances that maintained respect for myself in interactions with others and kept me safe.

 

Hypno

 

 

 

 

 

 

4/ 3/11 7:32pm

Rena,

 

I meant to ask...what do you want to change that you feel stuck with....what would unstick you?...what would you do differently if you were unstuck?...and how would you achieve it?

 

Hypno

4/ 5/11 3:30am

     I am currently in the discovery phase of my actions or rather lack of.  I have allowed people to use and abuse me like a door mat for years.  I am just beginning to identify why I have allowed this behavior to happen to me over and over again.  I believe that I was raised and conditioned to believe that this is the way I was suppose to be treated. 

     I am an ACoA, the oldest child and the only daughter.  This, I am on a journey to discovering, has caused may issues.  I was completely unaware until just a year ago.  I was of the opinion that a persons childhool had absolutely nothing to do with the way they were as an adult.  WOW was I completely WRONG!  I am beginning to see all the ways that I allow myself to be mistreated, used and abused.

     Alot of my thoughts about myself are actually echos of things others have said in the past, and a lot of times they are things I have heard way, way back in my past.  A lot of my opinions and core values are changing now that I am learning to be kind, gentle and loving to myself and to stop being my own worst enemy.

     As an AcoA, I have recently (in the last year) identified that I often did not allow myself to think or feel at all.  I did not allow myself to have opinions because as a child, I was not allowed to have opinions or feelings.  This last year has been a real eye opener and a realy struggle for me.  It is difficult to have ideas, opinions and etc., when you have learned from a very young age, to just not.    

     I am very interested in the double loop learning.  I am going to check into that, thank you. 

4/ 5/11 3:39am

      I guess to change that stuck going in circles feeling I need to really focus on making myself really think and have opinions.  It is really not easy to do, I am discovering.  It is so, so easy to slip back into the same old rut/habits.  If I were unstuck i invision myself being a much more outgoing person and a happier person.  I have withdrawn a lot due to being hurt, used, abused and taken advantage of by co-workers, friends, etc.  To achieve this is going to take a great deal of focus and constant awareness on my part.  I need to identify, be mindful and change habits I have had for 44 years!

4/ 5/11 3:51am

     Hypno...can I ask how long you have bee working on your values and issues?  How much of your core being was formed by ourside forces?  Were you given a "defective rule book for life and living" like so many of us here seem to be? 

     It is one thing to find out and become aware that you were given the wrong "book of instructions".  But...then you have to identify which rules/instructions are good ones to keep and which ones are completely bogus and need to be deleted.  And then...identify the rules/instructions you missed and impliment/install those into your personal hard drive and then use them.  Its like learning to walk again.

     I am definately at the crawling stages.  I feel very, very ackward.  I mean more out of place and ackward than normal!  LOL  :)

     I am going to check into double loop learning.  If I can learn faster and more deeply, that would be great.  I need all the help I can get!  Tongue out

     Thanks Hypno!

 

Sincerely,  Rena

4/ 5/11 5:15am

On the social interaction and happiness front I found you can only BE social if you are with or talking to others...so I decided to CHANGE my behaviour by booking activities where others would be present...completely new people...previously unknown to me...I joined a walking club....and joined guided walks. I made a point of talking to as many of the group as possible. I also decided to talk to shopkeepers when I handed over my money..or talked at the checkout whilst packing my bags. Simple things that can me confidence. I also checked out some alternative music venues...jazz clubs etc and booked cinema and theatre tickets. ...went to museums and art galleries..to auctions(not buying..just looking) and the simplest thing of all...introduced myself to my new neighbours!

 

If I can't at first change my habitual thoughts as NATs get in the way...then I change my behaviour first and then see how it feels! As an aside I discovered that I can't feel depressed if I laugh!  Oh and I also found that anxiety feels very much like eager anticipation of a challenge or excitement at the prospect of doing something new!

 

The beauty of this is that doing something new does not rely on the past! New programming for the mind. New habits to be maintained (Healthier habits of course).

 

Good Luck!

 

Hypno

4/ 5/11 5:23am

Guess what....being depressed is also a habit...so the quickest way out of it and any other behaviour is .....act in the opposite fashion...or the way you want to react/act...so don't act as if you were depressed ....act with happiness, contentment, with respect for yourself as well as others, act with vigour or with relaxation, act with determination, purpose and with the goal of personal fulfillment.

 

Let others look after themselves and go find themselves someone else to bully and mistreat.(Obviously I don't want anyone to be abused...but I think you know where I'm coming from). You follow your path and let others follow theirs.

 

My thoughts of course...you understandWink

 

Hypno

4/ 5/11 5:31am

Hey Rena...it takes time...just start from the perspective of relaxing more....getting to know how your body feels when it is relaxed and you are at ease with yourself....then begin to notice subtle changes in your bodily sensations when you start to do or feel or think about something you don't like...That is your body telling you that you need to pay some attention to this matter. Acknowledge the feeling...don't fight it or ignore it...encourage it to tell you what you need to learn....bring your attention to where you feel the sensations in your body...and wait for an image or a thought or amemory to drift into your mind...look at this image from above the scene...see it from a bird's eye view perspective...this is the learning perspective as it is an objective position...and with practice you will 9 times out of ten results.

 

Hypno 

4/ 5/11 5:46am

I bet your family didn't tell you the following rules...

 

YOU are a person in your own right, you are not an extension of others, nor a personification of others desires, hopes and expectations - only your own.

YOU have the right to live your life with contentment

YOU have the right to follow your own path and make your own choices in life

YOU have the right to make mistakes, though you need to own responsibility and accountability for your own actions

YOU have the right to be respected

YOU have the right to opinions where they do not disrespect the rights of others

YOU have the right to take responsibility and accountability for the direction of  your life

YOU have responsibility to allow others to take responsibility and accountability for the direction of their lives

YOU do not have to share the life of people who want to share yours unless it is a healthy relationship, friendship, interaction

 

 Now you complete the list...it may be quite lengthy or it may be short (I have written the word "You" ...you should write the word "I" in your list

 

Then look over the list and decide what you want to do to enrich your life today.

 

The point is ...don't look for the errors in your old rule book and then try to steer clear of them....do the opposite...formulate your new rulebook and follow that instead...always knowing you can change and add or subtract things as you go along....Life is constant learning. Approach life with flexibility or else you may not recognise new opportunities.

 

Hypno

4/ 5/11 5:58pm

Hi Hypno.  You are right.  Trying new things does not have ties or relate to the past.  This would be a great way to cut the ties to the past.  Now to find the self discipline that you have to do these things.  Do you go to these things (the theatre and etc.) by yourself?  You sound like you are a very determined person.  Great job.  I need to find the strength now to ACT, as well.

 

Here's to happiness!  :)

 

Rena

4/ 5/11 5:58pm

Hi Hypno.  You are right.  Trying new things does not have ties or relate to the past.  This would be a great way to cut the ties to the past.  Now to find the self discipline that you have to do these things.  Do you go to these things (the theatre and etc.) by yourself?  You sound like you are a very determined person.  Great job.  I need to find the strength now to ACT, as well.

 

Here's to happiness!  :)

 

Rena

4/ 5/11 6:01pm

Sorry, this posted twice for some reason. Undecided

4/ 5/11 6:11pm

     You are right.  I need to learn how to think about myself and what I want to make me happy, instead of trying to make everyone else happy.  It is not my job to make everyone else happy (solve all their problems and take care of them).  It is now going to be my job to make myself happy for a change.  I just need to figure out what it is that makes me happy. 

     It sounds like such a trivial thing and it comes so easy for most people, I think.  But, for those who have never really done this...it is not an easy thing to do.  I often become completely stumped when I begin to try to do this.  I need to relax and really dig deep to see what is buried way down in there!  And really concentrate on not allowing others or outside influences to alter my opinions and my direction. 

     I feel that I am so weak and don't stand up for what I believe.  But at the same time, I now know that I operate this way only as a survival tactic from years gone bye.

     As you said...I need to break this bad habit!

 

Rena 

4/ 5/11 6:26pm

     I think "I" am buried deep below so much debris.  I think a lot of us here really have buried ourselves as ways of self protecting ourselves.  We need to take the time and tio listen to our bodies and to relax and allow the real "Us" to come out and introduce themselves to the "Us" that is currently here, enduring, surviving.  We need to take the time to bring thesimage from abovee two beings together as one healthy, happy person. 

     I love your concept of exploring this inner world.  To image seeing and evalating these times in our lives or these images from above.  I have never tried this.  I always found myself almost reliving the past and becoming entangled and in pain all over again.  If I view these fragments of time from above, I think I can evaluate/learn from them without really reliving them over and over again.

     I think we sometimes place ourselves in situations over and over in our lives until we get them right and are happy with the outcome.  I'm not sure if it is a game we are trying to win, an enemy we are trying to vanquish a life lesson we must get right or etc.  But...viewing from above sounds like a fabulous vantage point.  A birds eye view.

     Thank you for such wonderful wisdom.  You are very clever! 

 

Sincerely, Rena 

    

4/ 5/11 6:47pm

     You are absolutely right!  Takes one to know one, I think.  We can only learn from those who have experienced what we have experienced, who truly know how we feel and who have fought the battle.  I think you have fought the battle and have truly conquered.  You are an inspiration Hypno.  Thank you so much.

     P.S. - Writing my own new rule book is a fabulous idea.  I am such a visual learner.  This will work splendidly for me.  I am going to start a journal.  This will force me to really think about things and writing them down will help me to absorb them much better. 

     Thank you for your caring generous knowledge.  Take care of YOU, my friend.

 

Love and Happiness,

 

Rena   

4/ 6/11 2:43am

You don't need strength if the thing is easy to do!

 

You don't know how difficult doing things will be if you haven't done them for a long time?

 

If you don't know what you like, then you are lucky...that means you can do anything and see if it is something you like/dislike...

 

Hey Rena, you are gonna have a wonderful, creative, and exploratory future...

 

Go to it Girl!Smile

 

All the Best

 

Hypno

 

 

4/ 6/11 2:59am

Sorry Rena...how rude of me not to answer your question....I go to places on my own and with others...some things I prefer to do alone...others I prefer to do with others and some I like doing with others and on my own!

 

To meet new people I tend to go out on my own...that way I don't keep talking to the person(s) I have gone out with!

 

I went out with a walking group at first as there are always new people on each walk and easy to mingle by picking up or slowing down the pace during the walk to catch up or drop back to talk to new people.

 

I've met some wonderful people and this time in my life I don't need to enter their lives..I just meet them when I'm doing that activity...I had a habit of thinking that if I met someone I got along with that they had to become a permanent fixture in my life....if you know what I mean...

 

Anyway happy exploration

 

Hypno

4/ 6/11 1:23pm

     Thanks Hypno for all the wonderful advice.  I can sure use it.  It is nice to chat with someone who is so positive, upbeat and who has positive ideas about improving ones situation/life.  YOU are a BREATH OF FRESH AIR!  Thank you so much. 

     Please keep in touch and keep posting.  I love your writing and your positive attitude.  You are the BEST!  Take care of you and HAPPY TRAILS! Laughing

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