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Sunday, November 01, 2009 Chee asks

Q: My 7 year old daughter seems to have developed general anxiety that occurs in the evenings.

It began last summer (2009) with a wavy feeling, a "wierd" taste in her mouth, and her legs and arms felt "wierd". It was very intermittant. Now, she has progressed to every night. She reports not feeling "calm" and "wierd" and cannot sleep, startles easily, is over sensitive emotionally (all this is in the evenings), appears to be trying to find a reason for her distress, still reports her legs and arms feeling shakey or wavy, but says she does not know the words to describe it. She frequently says she has a headache on the right side of her head. She is endurning it like a trooper, but I am afraid this train is going to jump the track. For now it is only in the evenings, but I fear it will seep into her days as well if I cannot find what has caused this. I have covered every subject with her to see if she is worrying about something. She is now to the point where she gets annoyed that I am pinning it on the idea that she is worrying. She maintains that she does not have any problems and is not worrying. She has purple circles under her eyes and I have noticed the joy has gone out of her in the evenings. It is so sad, I want to cry sometimes for her.

Anyone have any idea how to deal with this or what an alternative explanation might be?

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11/ 4/09 11:01am

Hello Chee,

 

I'm sorry to read this, but you do explain the situation very well. Let me first say that your daughter has not developed 'general anxiety' if it only appears to occur in the evening. But before we even approach the notion of a psychological cause you really do need to rule out physical causes, so a trip to the doctor is in order.

 

The fact that the focus is always in the evening does make me wonder why? Is your daughter taking any medication? Also, have you noticed anything about her mood? Evenings just may say something about access to parental attention.

 

There is certainly no harm in a neurological check and with the symptoms you describe (taste, arms and legs) it's best to take these on board first. It would be quite natural for your daughter to feel anxious if she is having these sensations

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11/ 4/09 3:09pm

We started with an ophthamologist, then an ENT, our next appoint. is with a neurologist, but it is a month away. She is an only child and we are fortunate enough that I can stay at home following a career of 21 years (older mom). She is funny, athletic, has a fantastic dog, does well in school, has a few good friends and we feel she has adequate access to us ie; we are generally available and she is included in most things. She is not overindulged. She was taking Claritin, but I discontinued it 2 weeks ago just in case. It was thought that her sinuses were swollen and putting preassure on her eustaceon (sp?) tubes thereby causing the wavy-ness and other odd sensations. The ENT says no. Mood tends to be over-animated/active at night because (she says) she is trying to avoid thinking about the "icky feeling". For several days she keeps hinting that she has bronchitis (yes, it is odd - she has never had it, the neighbor did). I asked her why she keeps talking about it and she says because it is sometimes hard to breath. She does not appear to be having any difficulty (ever) so I am wondering if it is imagined as is so often the case with people with anxiety. Thank you for your thoughtful response, we are hopeful of a reasonable resolution as we pursue all avenues.

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11/ 4/09 5:23am

I would recomend talking to a physician about this. Have her checked out really good physically before you take the mental/emotional route. She should be seen by a doctor.

 

Pat

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11/ 4/09 3:11pm

Thanks, we are currently taking that route while things continue to deteriorate.

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11/ 4/09 4:55pm

I would also look into food allergies since they can cause a lot of sporadic symptoms that you generally wouldnt consider related to allergies.

 

 

Pat

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3/25/10 7:31pm

Chee .. did you find an answer?  Please let me know as my 7 year old has very similar symptoms with an equally wonderful life.. Please respond

 

thanks

 

 

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3/25/10 8:05pm

First, If she has developed any anxiety, it is because of her physical symptons. I now doubt that she actually has anxiety but if it were me, I probably would have by now. WE have come a long way ( to nowhere). The neurologist had some interesting things to say, but was not helpful in resolving this problem. Currently, this is how it occurs: about 5pm she begins to get a headache that increases in strength for about an hour and then calms somewhat. Along with the headache, she feels 'gross', which means she feels 'wavy'. She also gets a 'gross' taste in her mouth most of the time along with the headache. (It is important to say that she has copious amounts of mucus in her sinuses, cannot blow it out her nose, only can sniff it violently throughout the day down her throat because it is too thick and her sinuses are too swollen and tend to hurt if she attempts a nose blow - - has LOTS of audible fluid in her ears meaning, I CAN HEAR IT squishing IN THERE). The wavy feeling, also described by her as feeling like she is bobbing in the water prohibits her from being able to do anything that requires too much concentration, including TV, because it is disturbing for her to just lay there. We play cards, mainly UNO before bed. She is often up until 10pm because when she tries to close her eyes to sleep, she has the sensation of falling backwards. She states that it is very hard to live this way. Sometimes she wants to cry, but I see her being very brave. She gets weary of these symptoms (going on for 8 months) and on some level understands that other children do not live this way. A recent CT scan showed thickening of the sinus walls suggesting that she has had repeated or constant sinus infection(s). She is now on 20 days of antibiotics. She cannot tolerate Zyrtec, we are on Allegra now but it does nothing to alleviate her symptoms so next I am trying Benadryl (on Sunday). I hope it is a simple histamine problem, but I have read enough on the internet to understand that it could be food allergies. It is important for this to be solved, because she will need to study in the evenings in the future and currently she cannot function properly. Anyone out there heard of any of this?

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3/25/10 9:51pm

Om my gosh that is AWFUL.. well, I can speak from experience that I had dizzyness for 8 Straight weeks (which only ended 5 weeks ago) because I read John sarno's book ... regarding anxiety and it's awful side effects.. After doing the homework in the book I ended up getting rid of the dizzyness in 5 days.  He has a follower that Wrote a book FROM his teachings called, TO be or not to be pain free... by Marc Sopher. After thinking about my situation and my life, I realized the dizziness stemmed from a contest I was getting ready for. 

http://www.tms-mindbodymedicine.com/

 

He actually emailed me back when I had questions.. and let me say IT WORKED.. I was considering writing him about my child who seems to get very worked up at night right before bed.  She's worried about falling asleep.  If she gets to bed 10 minutes after 8:30.. she starts questioning the time.  This is new.  And she starts breathing really big breaths right around 7:30.  Like you, I've questioned ever aspect to see if there is a fear or problem.. Everything seems to be answered appropriately. 

 

Let me know if anything works.  I'm putting my daughter in swimming, to maybe give her some extra exercise. 

 

 

 

 

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11/29/11 12:56am
Hello I am not sure if you've already come to a helpful solution yet, but regardless I thought my ideas may help another. When I was about 9 I started to develop symptoms like your daughters; angst at night because of feeling "weird" and "off", I would start to have trouble breathing (and I'm still not sure if this was due to my anxiety of feeling so strange) and a few times I had mh mother, after being hysterical, take me to the ER, where they told her I had GA as well and gave her some barbiturates to calm me. The anxiety stayed with me through my life as well as he wavy feeling in my lower half, felt when I'm laying down, as if I'm in waist deep rocky water. after trying sonmany things to overcome my anxiety, my sensitivity to others and the strange feeling, I've come to accept it all as a sort of gift. It's hard to explain, kind of like the difficulty in explaining the weird feelings precisely, but the way that I have come to terms with my situation is that I am more energetically sensitive then most people. it isn't necessarily physical or mental or something wrong with me that a doctor or drugs can fix, I am just a little different and feel things a little differently. Once I accepted this, the anxiety disappeared. In my opinion, the truth is that we are a energetic beings. The feeling I get in my legs, almost daily, feels EXACTLY like energy moving on two roads through my legs. It's he only way I can describe it, so now what I do is focus on the energy and try to either get it to spread through my body in a rejuvenating sense, or send it through my feet back to the world. Meditation and yoga (though I don't do much yoga..) and breathing exercises have changed my life drastically in dealing with my anxiety about things I have no idea about (being anxious for no reason is one of the most terrifying and annoying experiences). I hope this helped someone a little Reply
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