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High and Low Social Energy: The Real Polar in Bipolar?

By John McManamy, Health Guide Monday, July 02, 2007
I’ve been doing a lot of sleeping the past several days. One reason is that my entire holistic mind-body connection is demanding time-out after a nine-month period that has involved a new book, a marriage break-up, a cross-country shift in residence, a major international award, a busy travel sched...
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Anonymous
Margaret
7/ 2/07 7:09pm
John,

I know you're a boy and I'm a girl. However, the more I read your personal stories, I think we're twins!!!!

Hugs,

Margaret
John McManamy, Health Guide
7/ 2/07 7:41pm
HI, Margaret. No one ever wanted to be my twin. I'm highly flattered. All the best -
7/ 3/07 8:09am

A lack of (social) energy - need of sleep .. but not a bipolar depression .. I can relate to well. Also, recently a pet project to finance my future effectively got axed .. yes we bipolars can have reactional depression ! Took some untangling of the sliders !



You deserve the break.


Nick

John McManamy, Health Guide
7/ 3/07 11:20am
Many thanks, Nick. You can't keep a good bipolar down. Here's to kicking butt with your next pet project -
7/ 4/07 9:38am
Hi John,
I know I'm depressed when my kitchen is empty of anything remotely fresh to eat and my pets are getting those dusty cans of salmon from the bottom of the shelves. Plus I look like a mad scientist because I haven't bothered to wash my hair or change clothes in three days (it makes me too tired). So I shower, go to the store with wet hair and old, but clean comfy clothes, and start the clock. At fifteen minutes and one nice conversation helping an elderly person find something, I feel more alive and chatty. If I run into someone I knew from a previous job and my chattiness turns my experience into 45 minutes, I start sweating in the check-out line. I impulsively grab a diet Coke and king-size Snickers, get to the van, throw everything in, and start eating before I leave the parking lot. By the time I get home, I FORCE myself to put stuff away, smoke 2 cigarrettes, and collapse on the couch. I won't answer the phone for hours. Bottom line: I have to get out of the house to feel more sociable, however it has a short time frame before fatigue sets in and I need to withdraw. I have only been diagnosed and treated for two years, so I am wondering if my social energy phases will become longer? I used to be the life of the party. My co-workers tried to get me to apply for a part on the TV show "Survivor" because I would literally do anything.--Angie
John McManamy, Health Guide
7/ 4/07 4:51pm
Hi, Angie. I wish I knew the answer to your question. I can relate very well to how you feel. One one hand, around people, all our moving parts become animated, on the other our battery rapidly drains. I think we individually need to learn how to pace ourselves and to figure out how to keep readjusting the sliders on our personal control panels. It may mean if we are at a social event that we need ten minutes to an hour of "quiet time" to get us through the night. Or it may mean a long sleep and a quiet day afterwards. Certain people can go-go-go all the time. I'm not one of those, and it sounds like you're learning to be mindful of your limitations, as well. Keep in mind the down times can be productive in their own ways - I came up with this whole low social energy theory while in a state of introspective down time.
7/ 4/07 7:25pm
Thanks for writing back, John. I think that I am still learning "how to live with it". After 39 years of pushing myself to acheive beyond healthy limits, perhaps my mind and body are trying to tell me something. I have been afraid of down time until I realized how good it feels to take a nap in the afternoon before an evening event (essential!). Or something simple as listening more and talking less at social events. And always mindful of those little adjustments to the environment at hand. If you ever saw "Men In Black", I feel like the dead alien jeweler with the tiny alien in his brain controlling everything. Okay, that's supposed to be a comic analogy, I don't think I am being controlled by aliens! (God, No! Please don't up my Seroquel!)

Sheesh! Here's to moving parts becoming animated, hoping the batteries don't die.


Angie
John McManamy, Health Guide
7/ 5/07 4:34pm
Hi, Angie. Men in Black - you got it! Now you can go and and teach it. Seriously - you know what you're doing. We're all learning this stuff together. And we're all helping - and teaching - each other. Don't be afraid to be part of the conversation -
7/ 6/07 3:17pm

I asked my husband in bed the other night "why don't I have any friends?" He said it was not me, that I am very pleasant and friendly to delivery people, the dry cleaner lady, even my pdoc's male receptionist says when I come in its like a ray of sunshine.


But I spend just about every day with only my husband (we work in the same office--I only work half a day) and evening too. That's it. No friends in sight.


My pdoc can't believe I have been going to the same gym for 4 years and don't know a soul there. But the girl at the front is friendly...


I think partly is that I don't believe I will be a reliable friend, that if I make plans I will end up cancelling because I feel bad that day. And I don't want people to know I have bipolar--when I'm good and on my meds I am as normal as can be, I don't want anyone but my husband to see when I am down.


So, feeling alone feels normal to me, I don't think it is so bad. I have my husband, who is very caring, and my pdoc, who I consider my best friend even though I pay him.


I do, however, make myself go out at least to run errands by making lists the night before. Staying home alone all day is ok sometimes but not usually.


So that is how I feel about isolation, for better or worse.

John McManamy, Health Guide
7/ 7/07 10:33am
Hi, Kathleen. You are getting out of the house every day and you are around people and interacting with them. This is all about finding balance in your life, not in changing you into something you are not. Don't be afraid to work on some of your fears, but also give yourself credit for the harmony you have found in your life. and for the wonderful relationship with your husband.
7/ 6/07 4:09pm
So much of this absolutely applies to me. Some interesting things I hadn't thought about before. Thanks for this post.
John McManamy, Health Guide
7/ 7/07 10:35am
Thanks, GJ. I'm willing to bet that the same things you hadn't thought about before are the same things I hadn't thought about until a week or two ago.
7/ 7/07 12:11pm

wow - someone finally gets me! I had an all time low this past winter - winter is always bad - I've been at home for 8 yrs - leaving my corporate life due to an unpleasant experience. Up and down since then - I've finally come to terms with bipolarism. And - I decided I am more alive and better with people - so I decided to go back to work starting with my last place of employment - I was hired on the spot - making my own part time hours - guess I did something right the 10 years I worked there previous to my departure.

 

Now I'm back and everyone gives me hugs and welcomes me. I am alive and feeling better than before (not manic though) - just that I'm where I should be - but now I get home at 12:00 noon and I am totally depleted - wiped out - and feel guilty telling my kids to make their own lunch and that I just have to lay down! Someone at work told me the other day that I'm always smiling - they should see my other side. Anyway - you put light onto why this occurs. Thanks for sharing.

7/ 7/07 3:59pm
Jen - I think you were reading my mind. Being around people for more than about 3 hours just wears me out even though when I'm around people I'm basically fine. I tell my husband that extroverts gain energy from being around people, and us introverts give all our energy away. It's so good that you are working though and getting really good feedback from your co-workers. Know that if you need to lie down when you get home that is a-ok, its just part of being a person with bipolar. One thing, I was feeling really easily sluggish last Thanksgiving, got tired just putting decorations on the tree. I said enough and have been working out 4 times a week, just walking, but my energy level has definitely gone up some. I don't know if you exercise or not but just fyi. Kathleen
John McManamy, Health Guide
7/ 7/07 9:27pm
Many thanks, Jen. We're all validating each other, here. This is really encouraging. Keep sharing. I'm learning as much as you.
John McManamy, Health Guide
7/ 7/07 9:29pm
Many thanks, Jen. More validation. Pretty soon, we can all write our own psychiatric text.
Anonymous
Jenna
7/ 8/07 7:09pm

Perfect description. I'm living this as we speak. Not really depressed but gathering energy for my next go round with the world. Thanks for the validation. My friends understand, somewhat, my isolation but feel that I do it too much. (Which I do).


I don't have the balance right and really guilt trip myself about getting out.


Sometimes it is depression but right now it's blissful relief to be out of the rat race for the moment. I have 2 months of expenses and am about to sell my condo which will give me extra cash to begin a new way to interact with the world. I've been in commissioned sales for 3 years and the stress has taken it's toll. Here's to understanding the difference between needed recharging time and depression!

John McManamy, Health Guide
7/ 8/07 8:15pm
Hi, Jenna. Sales is the only profession to my knowledge where companies have to constantly bring in motivational speakers and offer all kinds of incentives to keep its people charged up. They don't need to do this with their lawyers or accountants or engineers or tech people or journalists or whoever else. This alone tells me what an extraordinarily tough and stressful field sales must be. Ironically, they try to keep you going by cranking you up, when really, at the right times, you need to be winding down.

I'm glad you figured this out. Hopefully, you will find a sympathetic boss who will allow you to be productive on your own terms.
Anonymous
Allison
7/10/07 7:17am
Awsome post! Totally answers questions I didn't even know I needed to ask, lol.
John McManamy, Health Guide
7/11/07 7:47pm
Many thanks, Allison.
Anonymous
Anonymous
10/21/08 1:11am

Greetings...interesting post-I have also wondered in the past if my introversion (or perhaps my social phobia--I have difficulity teasing them apart) has in fact prevented a spiral into full blown mania as my social anxieties (again or introversion) caused me to retreat into aloneness which destimulates and then perhaps prevents the progression...(the few times I have felt close to severe hypomania have been times where I was unable to retreat into solitude)...(I have not been diagnosed with bipolar but to believe I am on the spectrum somewhere)....

 

In any case, I found my way here to this post because I just listened to Dr. Kay Jamison talking about her book "Exhuberance, The Passion for Life".....I have not listened all the way through yet but was struck by her discussion about exhuberance in children being more or less the opposite to introversion....or at least this was my interpretation as she talks about the exhuberant children being the classic unihibited and extroverted child who ventures out fearlessly.... it does seem introverted temperant seems one in same with inhibited temperament...Dr. Jamison implied that exhuberant people tended to be overly represented by people with bipolar and therefore I assumed this implied most bipolar patients (or at least the highly creative types) were in exhuberant and extroverted..... I would like to ask Dr. Jamison if she feels introversion is the opposite to exhuberance....perhaps introversion and inhibition are not one in the same therein lies the rub....it is true that social anxiety and inhibition would dimish exhuberance....

 

So, are most biplolar people introverted or extraverted?  Your survey seemed to incidate a large preponderance of introverted people which is interesting....wonder if there are any differences in introversion/extraversion between bipolar I and bipolar II people.....

 

I am brain storming so this post is no doubt all over the place...hope I have made some sort of sense....

 

(I am a card carrying INFP also.....though often I wondered if I actually INFJ....I flip so often I figure the 'P' must fit otherwise I would be happy to accept the closure of the 'J')  :-)

Anonymous
jackie
9/10/09 3:02pm

You read my mind...Only you were actually able to explain what I couldn't quite understand myself. I'm having an epiphany, thanks! =]

 

I was recently diagnosed as bipolar II which i immediately rejected and denied. But the more I read, the more it starts making sense to me. I have been drained lately. In the aftermath of some stressful times recently, I find myself void of motivation, enthusiasm, or any sort of inclination to meet people. I am usually so extroverted, and tend to run my mouth =]. My friends joke that anyone who talks to me for 20 minutes knows WAY too much about me. I've always made friends so effortlessly. But lately... It's like it takes every ounce of my energy to get out of bed and speak to people. I just don't care, and I don't care that I don't care! I will get "trapped" in this endless cycle until I finally force myself to get out of the house. And then it's crazy... I instantly feel like the other me is back. All of a sudden all I want to do is get everyone together and go out somewhere, and when I get in my extroverted moods it can be even more frustrating! I will find myself just pacing around and feeling restless. In just this past year I have gone from being little miss social butterfly, to having no friends, to socializing in smaller groups, then being a wild reckless irresponsible party animal, then crashing and becoming a hermit for a few weeks, then trying desperately to rekindle neglected friendships...and so the cycle goes.

 

It's starting to freak me out. Right now I'm being a hermit (which is the only time i get deep thinking done), and the thought occurred to me about an hour ago...are these the "poles" a bipolar person fluctuates between? It is so clear to me now that I need to understand I cannot be neatly categorized as an extravert OR an introvert. (Which has always confused me about those personality tests, although I'm mostly ENFP.) And maybe if I learn how to anticipate when my ups and downs will come, I can learn to be a better friend to the people I care about, instead of being unreliable. I just need to stay in tune with what my mind and body needs.

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By John McManamy, Health Guide— Last Modified: 03/19/12, First Published: 07/02/07