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Birds of a Feather
knowthyself
Friday, August 07, 2009 at 02:55 PM -
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Elizabeth
Friday, August 07, 2009 at 06:38 PMThank you John, for yet another really perceptive message.
The people who move things forward, whether their work is in the arts, or politics, or science, can very rarely be placed in the "normal" range regarding the mood spectrum. But the rage for normality--an interesting oxymoron there--defines our culture. We want people who are absolutely rock-solid emotionally who offer ground-breaking new insights. I'm drawing a blank thinking of who such people are. Anybody want to help me with this? I'm not being ironic, and it's not a rhetorical question.
O.K. President Obama seems to be such a human. Any thoughts from the forum?
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John McManamy
Friday, August 07, 2009 at 10:05 PMHi, Elizabeth. Very interesting. I did a sharepost back in Nov on Obama's (and Clinton's) temperament:
http://www.healthcentral.com/bipolar/c/15/47897/temperament-issue
In my mind, the public perception of Obama's even temperament (vs that of McCain as a hothead) in a time of grave crisis was a deciding issue in the election. Thankfully, eight months into his Presidency, he is showing this perception is not a mirage.
His agenda may be viewed as ambitious and creative by some - but the ideas are not his. Again, it's temperament. He is making rational - not seat-of-the-pants - choices. They could very well turn out to be wrong choices, but that's another issue.
Comments?
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I'm married to a "5"
monica22
Monday, August 10, 2009 at 01:40 AMI hate to break up a political debate but I wanted to share something. When I first married my husband, I was irritated at his steadiness. He had Obama-like rationality in response to my tantrums. My pendulum would swing from one to ten, yet he remained a perfect simmering five. Of course, I had no respect for this even keel or desire to act like him and used epithets like "boring" and "normal" when we fought. I even had an emotional fatal attraction of my own (simply a fantasy, nothing ever came of it) towards a man I deemed more interesting. I came to this conclusion because he was more like me, running hot and cold. Once I realized me and Mr. probably bipolar would make an unlikely pair, I found my husband's rock steady emotional base to be appealing. Long story short, I am very thankful my husband has stood by me through symptoms, diagnosis and countless episodes. In our later years, we have respect for each other's differences. All good things are not found in the bipolar population nor are the normals totally boring. I think the secret lies in being happy with what we both bring to the equation. John, thanks for the invitation to comment. I hope I wasn't too off topic.
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John McManamy
Monday, August 10, 2009 at 03:15 PMHi, Monica. I can assure you that you are right on the money, and that I can readily identify. Back in the mid-70s, I met a lovely woman I perceived to be my anchor. I did not suspect I was bipolar, but I knew I was emotionally volatile. For various reasons it was a bad choice for me. One of the reasons is that she never validated my feelings. To her, I was just a crazy guy flipping out. It never occurred to her that an emotional reaction could be grounded in reality. All she had to do was say something like, "I know how you feel" and I would have felt someone was at least listening to me. Instead, it was always something like, "Don't be stupid," which always escalated the situation.
On one hand, there was no possible way she could put herself in my shoes. On the other, her "superiority" over me as being the practical down-to-earth one in the relationship became a stick she could beat me over the head with. In the end, deprived of the emotional support she could not offer and with my mental and physical health rapidly deteriorating, I had no choice but to bail out.
Mind you, this is no bad reflection on her. She is a wonderful person, but we were a bad match for each other.
I am far more comfortable with volatile women that I feel emotionally safe with, and in turn I can help make emotionally safe. The catch is my relationships with these women have always been short-lived. It's wonderful being so alike in temperament, but I have not had success in turning a strong mutual attraction into a lasting relationship.
I envy that you can find a rock steady mate - a "5" - who turns out to be the ideal match for you. I have a lot to learn from you, as do the readers here at BipolarConnect, so I strongly urge you to share your wisdom with us.
Relationships are very difficult for "normal" individuals, let alone the special challenges we bipolars face. So your success is an inspiration to us. Please, I would love to hear more from you.
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I agree
alwaysuniq
Monday, August 10, 2009 at 04:33 PMI agree. I think that we need all types to make the world go round and remain interesting. If we were all flat or all bipolar or all anything else, we'd drive one another insane and learn very little. But diversity allows learning to take place, and in fact, coerces its energy. I think people simply need to learn sensitivity and realize that their view isn't the only one. As someone who grew up with a neurological disorder, I can well understand being similar to someone with bipolar though I'm not, and being frowned upon for exuberance, among other things. Nice article.
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sparkle
Kelti
Tuesday, August 11, 2009 at 11:13 AMI never really thought about it before but its so true. i sparkle when not in an episode and people give me that 'dead pan stare'. look at me like im nuts i just keep on talking anyway. im so greatful im not a ' flatone'. i like 'sparkler' better. you should see some of the looks i get in a AA meeting. ha Kelti !!
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John,
Do not believe the psyciatrists were always so blunted. This is most likely a product of conditioning, a personality trait that serves them in the clinical environment. They have a need to fit in and conform to the image of stability and do not forget pathology most often involves symptoms of emotional disturbance. One must be cautious in the presence of other diagnosticians. It does appear quite neurotic. One can only feel sorry for them and hope they do not carry this clinical demeanor with them at all times.
It is only natural to be yourself, not hindered by ego conditioning, being free to act unrestrained by fears of other's judgements. Freedom of expression is not foolish. "To thine own Self be true" Maybe it is the joy of the true Self that attracts us.