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Waiting for Depression to Lift

by  Stardust
Wednesday, March 26, 2008
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    Hopeful mom
    Wednesday, March 26, 2008 at 06:15 PM
    Depression's not good either.  It's actually more terrifying than the hypomania.  Do you have another appointment soon?
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    Stardust
    Thursday, March 27, 2008 at 08:24 AM

    Thanks for your concern, Mom.  My next appt. is 4/7, not too long from now.


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  2. Right thing
    Rusty
    Thursday, March 27, 2008 at 03:10 AM

    Hi Stardust,

    You are doing all the right things to get through your depression minute by minute. That's all you can do until you get back to the doc. I know what that is like when every minute seems like an hour and every hour like a day.  Little steps but get back to the doc soon as HM said above.Your new medication shouldn't be pushing you into depression. Thinking of you. R


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    Stardust
    Thursday, March 27, 2008 at 08:30 AM
    Thanks for your Reply Rusty.  I am doing my best to battle the symptoms.  I know I will come out of this (but when?).  I see Pdoc on 4/7, not too long from now.  I'll be ok till then.
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  3. Alfredo re: your depression
    alfredo
    Thursday, March 27, 2008 at 07:33 AM

    Dear Sturdust,

     

    first of all, if for now you must be on medication, I would talk carefully to my doctor and do some research as well. The medication that you take is very nusty to say the least and repressing hypomania all together, and this is what these medications do, is not really good. in my opinion.

     

    I have tried nearly all medication available for bipolar over the years and, in my experience, the only good drug for me was Epilum Or Sodium Valporate also known as Valpro.

     

    This medication is mostly used for epilepsy but it was found very effective in the control of bipolar leaving room for mild hypomania and very little or no depression. This is an ideal state of being. Also, because this drug is old it has been around for a while and there is vast informatiion including the fact that it has very few sides effects provided that the dose in not too high. Usually one starts with 500mg and it can be increased up to 1500mg though I did find 1000mg enough for me. What is good about this drug is that it does not kill your personality particularly some mild hypomania remains. The depression lifts and there are few side effects. If this drug is not suitable for you, according to your doctor, then you should look for a similer one. Mixing tablets is not good and I would not take two varieties for the bipolar. My wife has bipolar I and has been on Epilum for years now. She is reasonably well. It is a good drug and I do not understand why it is not used more for bipolar. It certainly should be. But as you can imagine there is the tendency to push new drugs all of the time.

     

    It is good that you keep a positive outlook on your near future. But I feel that this new depression with feelings of being lonley may be due to these drugs that you are on.

     

    Alfredo 


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    re: Alfredo re: your depression
    Stardust
    Thursday, March 27, 2008 at 08:44 AM
    Thank you for your your reply Alfredo.  I will mention Valpro to my Pdoc.  Abilify completely erradicates the mania or hypomania.  What Valpro does for you is my ideal of a BP drug.  The question is will it affect me the same way.  Everyone should have some hypomania in my opinion.  A plus for the Abilify it stopped the rapid cycling and mixed moods, that's the worst in my opinion but I did feel alive.  I do research everything, and I'll check out Valpro before I bring it up to Pdoc.  Thanks for the info.
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    re: Alfredo re: your depression
    Lidica
    Wednesday, April 02, 2008 at 12:19 PM
    Hi Alfredo I was very interested in what you wrote about the medication Epilum or Sodium Valporate. The depression for me like Stardust is my major concern. My doctor wants to discuss medication when I go back so I have been reading for pros and cons of medication here on this message board. I love all the information you gave on this medication so it will definitely be what I will be asking her about as a choice for me. Thank You so much for sharing what you have learned through trial and error. I just took Rusty's advice took my anxiety medicine and feel better already. Something happened at work today that was very upsetting so thank God for medication!
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    alfredo
    Wednesday, April 02, 2008 at 07:41 PM

    Dear Lidica,

     

    thank you for your reply. Epilum is a very safe and effective drug but it is old and doctors are encouraged to sell new drugs. You may find some resistance from your GP for they prefer to prescribe new drugs that need to be tested. They get money for doing this.

     

    I do not know your doctor and I am not saying that your doctor will be opposed to Epilum but there is a possibility. I would certainly make sure to try this drug because if it does agree with you you will never look back. The only side effect is a very sleepy feeling the first few days because the body needs time to adjust. This means that you have to be careful about dizziness. It takes about a full week to adjust and it depends from the dose. You will also need the occasional blood test from time to time because it does change your blood consistency. It also may upset your stomac due to acidity but a Liquid such as gavascon taken at night will help you. You should leave three hours break between taking epilum and taking gavascon (I take gavascon at night one hour before I go to bed). 

     

    But this is all the side effects, just a bit of stomac acidity for the majority of consumers as my research indicates. It really calms you down and makes you more able to cope with problems.

     

     

    Alfredo 


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    Lidica
    Thursday, April 03, 2008 at 12:34 PM

    Thank You so much for all the information including side effects. It will be well worth it if it helps the depression. It gets in the way of things I am trying to accomplish because I can not make myself move... no energy and I hate that feeling of total despair no matter how I try to get myself through it. Yesterday I took Ricky's advice on the anxiety pill. I think it was much too strong for me or it could have been because I had gone back on my vitamins of Omega, Mature Vitamin and Vitamin B. I started back this week because my highs will be over this mointh so my energy level already is dropping. My psychiatrist prescribed Hydroxyzine Pam 25mg. because she said the medicine my regular doctor prescribed was too strong. I actually did better on that medication although it was a little strong it did not make me as sick as this one. I am wondering if I should take it again as it is not something I need daily so I can not see going through this each time. I usually get attacked by side effects that is why I am leery of prescription drugs. I agree wholeheartedly with doctors getting kickbacks for trying new medications. They have put my mother on some stuff that has been absolutely awful for her. As for me I change doctors that do not work with me on what I feel is in my best interest. They are employed by me not me employed by them so I expect them to listen to me as well as I listen to them. I find that going to doctors letting them know you have researched your illness. Going online and reading side effects of any medication they prescribe and giving the yeah or nay on those prescriptions they are prescribing is a good thing. As I tell my mother's doctor they prescribe and we live with the aftermath so unless they are going to come and do the daily care of the side effects we are not going to let her be a guinea pig for any drug that hits the market. I rather have the old stuff that people have tried and KNOW as you do how it effects them. I know everyone's system is different but what you said about the dizziness is what antidepressants usually do to me when they hit my system is make me dizzy and Celexa actually caused me to pass out until I got used to it.

    Hugs and prayers through your day! 


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  4. Hold tight....
    ctrygirl
    Friday, March 28, 2008 at 08:03 AM

    Hello Stardust,

    I hope today finds you feeling  better....I too take Abilify and the first week or so it took me a while to adjust to the medication, so perhaps it is that that is making you feel so lonely/depressed still....I know that i was like geez, the bathroom is ALLLLLLLL the way in there and eating was a great effort...but the alternative (for i too am a VERY RAPID MOOD and MIXED STAGE BP) is not good either although personally i LOVE the mania, i know it isnt' good and is very near the edge when Hypo

    .....so hang tough honey, give it time to work, but still discuss with doc, i know mine told me it could be 2 to 3 weeks before I adjusted completely and he was right and it DOES help a LOT , i even have tactiles and delusions and other wonderful things that this condition offers us (geez) but anyway, it really really helped me a LOT LOT....so talk to him and see the duration it should "kick in" and take over controlling the rapid mood swings.....

    but in the meantime girl, you just share and vent and come on back here for support for we are ALL here for you you know...always....

    I know some things that helped me was MUSIC and journaling (although even the pen felt heavy in my hand it sure released a lot out of my mind) and sketching and really the sunshine (when it was around ....but it's on its way honey hold tight)

    .......but Enya and uplifting music and relaxing music reallly reaches me a lot lot lot and photography of just normal things that in that "state" meant something to me or that i saw more to than others did.....so take a few days girl, relax and let it take its course and keep your support group close by....know that and  i know this  doesn't always help...but "this too shall pass"......and it will.....abilify really helps me.....may not others and you're right what helps one might not help another so be careful switching meds too soon, for some it takes a while to kick in per say...

    but remember this if you need to talk/vent/express i am here just click my name and send an email......don't have the wisdom or ability to make it go away (for heck i'd be rich and uhm heal thyself tehee) but i am a good listener and know EXACTLY where you are coming through (i could be lonely in crowd, LITERALLY and still have those days at times) , heck just typing the post was probably an effort for you if i recall exactly how i felt when going through those times and STILL DO it doesn't get 'RID" of it completely, don't think they've come up with that one yet, but oh does it help ME anyway...

    Well, you hold tight....and know i'm sending positive energy and goodwill and prayers your way for you to relax, get through it, and be back at it in no time.....rest assured we are all here for you ......hold tough girl.....hold on.......

    we love ya!
    ctrygirl


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    re: Hold tight....
    Stardust
    Thursday, April 03, 2008 at 05:47 AM
    Hi Ctrygirl.  Thanks for the great reply.  I am feeling better now.  And I'm so glad to hear Abilify works really well for you.  I got the same response on another site, it worked really well for someone else.  I'm still a little rough around the edges, but really, really feeling better.  Thanks again for your kind reply.
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    ctrygirl
    Thursday, April 03, 2008 at 06:17 AM

    SOOO glad that you are feeling better, it really did take a while for my body to adjust to the new meds, well as it does all new meds for not real tolerant of medication think they call it "treatment resistant" or something like that but anyway it does take a while for some of these to work, and oh felt very rough around edges for a while but then boom seemed one day just woke up and it wasn't nearly as bad and kept getting better as time went on and well, really really helps me, just glad i could be of some assistance in how it works not real knowledgeable on other med than what i take for i research those intensively to make sure i want to take them and that i agree with how they are filtered in the body and etc.....but anyway, SOO GLAD YOUR FEELING SOME BETTER it can only get better from here hang tough and remember to give it time honey....

    i'm withya and if need to talk, well, email private or just on a post but here for you just lean this way a little !!!
    take care!!
    ctrygirl


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