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Journal ::sex therapy or marital bust- a follow up "Too sad for sex"

My husband has put me under contract.  I have to at least make an attempt, if not make a move, everyday.  He says it is to get me to remember him.  He says I have been so sad for so long and I've missed out on so much personal time with him.  He put it into terms for me to understand just what I have done to him.  If he had done the same to me, ignore me in such a way, I would probably have left him years agon.  He wants my meds changed.  I am sad, or I am indifferent, or ocassionally I am in a wild mood.  So, maybe it is the medicine that is acting like an anchor on the fun cruise. 

 

On one hand, it sometimes put me in better spirits; a stress relief.  On another hand, if things don't go well, we both feel stupid.  On yet another hand, I resent the comments he has made in passing (he wasn't thinking that I would take them offensively).  And on that other hand waaaay over there, I am wondering how well the judicial system will treat me if they ever find where I've put his body.  And then there is the suicide fairy.  He looks a lot like the big orange hairy monster in the Bugs Bunny cartoon.  I keep thinking I'll never get better.  He'll leave anyway- why put us both in this leaky love boat? 

 

He's put up with a ton of mistreatment.  I have to admire him for that.  But I am really struggling with keeping composure.  So many times I end up crying afterwards.  Not for him.  It's just I have this heavy weight in my chest, like a year's worth of emotion all bottled up and waiting for the cork to pop.  When the cork comes out, I sob... loudly.  The sheets could be wonderful, and I'd still bury my head in the pillow and cry out and the tears and snot and drool......it's all there.  He's getting restless.  But this EveryDay thing was not my idea.  I'm doing it to save my marriage and to show my husband I do still love him.  I've been so blinded by apathy for so long, I never saw a problem.  I loved sex, and yet I didn't miss it.  But I do it for him.  I love him, I resent him, I miss him, but next time I'll better aim.  This is so hard to do: to keep up this smiling, emotional control under stress and disappointment, to lie to him to avoid hurting his feelings.  I can't be sad and sexy.  I'm just.......... stuck.  Bleck.  Ugh.  Stuck.

10/20/09 12:17pm

I for sure know how you are feeling with the relationship stuff, and I know there's no sure fire solution, but I think things can sort themselves out as time goes by. We've been married just 10 yrs. but I've been up and down, distant more than close and struggled a lot of those years even when we didn't quite know the exact diagnosis.  When it was worst after the last worst BP meltdown we almost separated but did counseling, it helped I think just cause we both agreed we needed to try it and talk about stuff.  Of course I found getting on the right combo of meds that would settle me right down helped tremendously simply because I'm not so resistant to the idea of closeness, but I seriously doubt he will ever get instigation out of me more than like once every 6 months! (poor guy, not that he doesn't get what he wants though, and you know how it is, its all good once things get going lol) I don't know, I often just talk with him and explain "look, I'm super tired and worn out mentally, I need to rest I'm sorry." You can't expect everyone you love to run away from you, that would make this a totally unjust world, and I guess sometimes it is but super great things always happen too.  And about the spiders...haha, I know non bipolar people who have this problem...but I've had those paranoid things before and a good week of klonopin does the trick.

 

Good luck and feel better soon.

10/27/09 8:56am

Thank you, Kad, for your support and thoughts.  It is a relief to know I have a few life preservers out here to help me while I patch up my love boat. :)

10/20/09 1:14pm

I've been married for 32 years.  The last time I had sex with my husband was close to 3 years I think.  Being Bipolar if I wasn't on meds....he couldn't keep me off of him.  On meds....well, I just don't seem to have it in me.  This is so sad for the both of us.  I always think to myself I should stop thinking about myself, and show him how much he means to me.  Unfortunately it's just not there, the sex part anyways.  He's learned over the years to except our sex life for what it is, a distant memory.

 

But by no means does this effect the rest of our lives.  We have date days, we hold hands...we spend our days and nights together.  We laugh and tease each other, and act like silly love struck teenagers.  Just because one door closed in our relationship doesn't mean all the doors need to be nailed shut.  We love each other and are still IN love with each other.  We are still best friends and enjoy sharing everything with one another.

 

I still get little desires for a sexual relationship with my husband, but by the time it becomes a full thought...it's already fading, because the meds have reached out and snatched it away.

 

I have a very loving and caring husband that does anything that needs to be done to help me stay healthy.  He's been through  more hell that one person should ever have to deal with in a lifetime.

 

I keep a goodly amount of clean pillows in my closet simply because of the times when I can't stop my crying and the droul and slobber flowing and the snot running like a river with no signs of stopping.  I think it's just a part of having Bipolar. 

 

Life isn't always fair, so we have to take what is given to us and turn it around.  We make our life work for us...and I pray that you and your husband can find what works for you.  Beat of luck!

10/27/09 9:02am

Dear Nonethewiser,

You have a wonderful and hopeful story.  I feel I've followed these footsteps.  No meds meant prying me off of him with a crowbar.  And the way you worded your fleeting moments... how the idea of intimacy faced you fullforce, the feeling slipped away.  That is probably something I need to explain to my husband next time.  I didn't even think to tell him that.  Thank you for the insight.

Anonymous
tabby
10/21/09 9:05am

my thoughts and only my thoughts... doesn't make them wrong or right but they are merely my thoughts...

 

this "contract" that he has put you under...

pardon me but this has really upset me and well... it's just me

but, if you don't make a attempt, if not a move, every single day.... what was the penalty or consequences stated that would happen?

 

see, to have a contract between 2 people means that both have agreed to set terms and conditions... if one breaches that contract, then the other can set forth agreed upon consequences

 

I know this is personal but you did post this so... what did he say would be your consequences if you did not comply with your contractual obligations for which you clearly entered into under a state of duress (your sharepost indicated to me anyway, a sense of duress in that you aren't shouting from the rooftops over doing it this way)? 

Is he the sole judge as to whether you met your contractual obligations of "at least make an attempt, if not a move"?

 

I'll say why this has upset me so

... my husband was a adulterer for many many years.  He cared not whether I was depressed or on medications.  He just wanted to cheat and by me being "so sad for so long" and not doing AS HE thought I should (though I was doing the best I was able even when I wasn't able).... he used it as an excuse to go cheat and have affairs. 

 

Even while we were having a sex life... he still cheated on me.  I tried to do so more and more as he wanted... and he still cheated on me. 

 

The excuse?  I wasn't trying hard enough.  I wasn't making enough effort.  I needed to lose 25 lbs and get back where I was when we were married.  Even when we did have sex, apparently I wasn't trying cause he didn't enjoy any of it and so on and so on and so on...  no matter what I did, or how much effort I made, or the clothes I bought from the naughty stores, or what have you... it wasn't good enough.  He still cheated and had affairs.

 

It wasn't me.  In reality, it wasn't me.  It had nothing to do with me.  It took me 18 long and painful years of a 20 year marriage to finally figure that out.  The first 2 years, I was just innocent and very naive.

 

It wasn't me.  It was all to do about him and no matter what I did, or tried, or how much effort I made in anything: sex, finances, working, home, you name it... he was going to do what he wanted to do and I wasn't going to be "good" enough.

 

You clearly love your husband and it's not that you've found him repulsive.  You do have desires but they quickly leave you.  You struggle with a form of mental illness and the meds that are needed really tank desire and impulse.  Would he really rather have you without meds? 

Sex is important in a marriage.  Do not get me wrong BUT it's not the ONLY thing. 

Sure there are meds that supposedly won't affect sex desire but just cause a few weren't affected does not mean a few still won't be with it.

 

Does he want your meds tweaked or changed so that you'll become less stable and perhaps a bit more manic?  With mania, comes increased feelings, impulses, and yeah... energy.

 

There are many other ways to show love and intimacy and there are many other means of having sex without the old standard... it's just what 2 people agree on allowing and enjoying.

 

If you are willing to explore other ways and means of showing your immense love and intimacy with him and he just isn't willing or finds issues as to why none of it will work for him...

then, it's more to do with him and less to do with you... in my opinion.

 

 

10/21/09 10:55pm
sex is a beautiful thing, i wanted so bad,but some how i am so disten from it.my ex wife and i had a good friendship going,but it was not anought,we finally ended 2years ago,sex is half of your marriage,and it has to work,or at least whent you do it,make it good.sadly i could not performe to my wife expectation,i am very proud man,and that was tought to handle,but that is what happen when your bipolar,i don,t know about you ,but i got more on my plate that i could take sometime,and sex is far from my mind ,most of the timei wish you best in your cituation that seem so unfare
10/27/09 9:07am

tabby-

I want to send you a message.  fingers crossed that I do this right.  Your name isn't blue for me, so I'm guessing.

10/27/09 9:32am

Dear Phantom-

I am so sorry to hear about your marriage.  Thank you so much for sharing your story with me. 

10/27/09 5:35pm

hi purpule flamingo.ever since my divorce 2 years ago i lived in my own world alone from time to time i visite a friend i dont feel lonely because i entertaine my self with art and other activity and i must say that my minde keep me occupied i cant complain

10/22/09 4:19pm

My Fight Through Bi-Polarism.

 

I haven't had sex with my girlfriend since August 21rst, 2007. Thats when my BiPolar went off the charts. I haven't had the interest in having sex. And Since then my girlfriend of 10 years  has asked me to leave. I am currently making some kind of arrangements to leave here but with the economy and my doctor telling me not to work for at least a year I am on welfare which is the bare essentials and not really enough to live independently. I have applied for SSI. But am told that most if not all people are turned down the first time. WHy is that?! I mean most of us are holding on to the feeling that SSI will be the only way for us to be independant and maybe go back to college and slowly and at our own pace become the best we can be. No matter what our diagnosis is.

 

Please feel free to read my journal i keep daily trying to manage my way through BP. It gets rough, really rough and there is a lot of misinformation out there about our illness. It is one of the reasons why I keep my journal. To let a normal 41 year old male who has been through it all. Divorce, lost my son, lost everything to my self-medicating before I realized what was causing the feelings of self doubt, hate, sadness, and cycling moods. I took 38 years to figure it out. And the meds I take, Seroquel 400 mg a day, Xanax 6-mg a day split into 3 doses, and Suboxone to keep my lifelong urges for heroin at bay. I am sober 10 years now and the Suboxone is but an insurance policy with myself.

 

Anyway, it's not been an easy road but each day is another chance to learn more about the disease I have and the sadness we can all share having this dibilitating illness.

Anonymous
Anonymous
10/25/09 4:10pm

I am in the same situation as your girlfriend and am feeling very frustrated...but want to make my relationship work.  We love each other very much...and we are working at trying new meds to see if that helps with the intimatacy issue.  We have only been together for 10 months and I knew he had bipolar early in the relationship..and thought I understood the disease...but sometimes when we are together I feel very alone and that may be happening with you girlfriend as well.  I know it is not intentional but i may be another reason she wants to end the relationship if she doesn't feel like you are there for her emotionally.  I am a very affectionate person and need to be close and touch alot and that is hard for someone with bipolar.  I feel like he trys to keep a me at arms length.  Sometimes I don't feel like he was being fair getting involved with me since he knew from the beginning how affectionate I am.  

10/27/09 9:42am

Dear Dean812-

Thank you for your story, and I will take you up on your invitation to view your journal.  I am glad to know that you have overcome so much, and that you are still fighting so strongly to maintain your life.  Don't fret over the SSI first round.  They turn everyone down the first time, and send you in circles in Rounds 2 and 3 because they want to make sure you are dedicated to your claim.  After all, money is a sticky situation; it sticks to their hand, and you have to situate yourself to pry it from them.  Good luck with your claims filing.  You are in for a long wait and a lot of frustration.  But in the end, they pretty much leave you alone.  If you are willing to put up that much of a fight for a dollar, you'll earn it.  We had to file SSI; a lawyer was a lot of help.

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