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In sickness and in health!! To all bipolar spouses!!!

By sagezcool Wednesday, October 22, 2008

I do not want to rant and rave especially on a bipolar website!! I have just started realizing that I have bipolar disorder and just how serious it really is. I have been reading some posts on this site and realize that the number of spouses that have left their significant others. The really scary part is the fact that you have so many people are supportive of this and are commending these people and bipolar or not that pisses me off!! Now don't get me wrong I do not support staying in a abusive relationship but if that person has tried to get help and has at any given time recognized the fact that they are bipolar it is also your duty as a spouse to go to the fullest extent to help and support this person remember your vows!!! I am going to explain the best I can from my point of view(remember everyone is different to a certain extent). First and foremost please remember we are sick! There is no cure for this sickness there are only treatments it never goes away it is always there just sometimes alittle deeper than others. There are poeple that have gone numerous years sometimes half a lifetime and still have found no meds that truly help them. Science is still in the toddler stages when come to meds for BP. Most of these meds have strong side effects which mostly involve drowsiness as I find to be more common and I hate to feel that way like a zombie!! It is very hard to function and be successful in anything either at home or at work while feeling this way and if you are not successful in anything you do it is kinda hard to be happy especially when you are also a manic depressant. I know I can be scary when I have a rage and I get very intense but I personally have never touched my wife but try being scared of yourself at least you all have a choice and can get away from that fire but we have no choice but to sit there and burn. I stay scared to death that I am going to lose my family to this sickness but I practice as much self control as possible and my loving wife sees it and recognizes it. But the meds do help but everyones body chemistry is different and there is no one set of combo of drugs that can completly eradicate the ill effects of this sickness.  Our chemistry changes constantly with stress, excercise, diet, metabolism, everything!! So it is hard to balance these chemicals when they are changing all the time. But please give 1000% effort before terminating your marriage we need as much support as we can get and there no better treatment than love and family! How would you like it if you found out you had cancer and your spouse left you because they didn't feel like helping you anymore. I know we are hard to deal with at times and can bring alot of stress but people usually marry someone that they love and trust and feel like they can depend on and when that person walks out on you in a time of need there is no greater heartbreak!! We did not ask to be this way and I don't want to be babied I do assume responsibilty for my actions so therefore I do my best to stay as straight as possible but I will never be perfect or even close and that alone is hard enough to deal with. please think of it like this when we get depressed, or rage or do any other things that come with BP we are hurting, and this is no different than an ordinary person having a painful surgery, or a toothache, dismemberment, anything it is still pain and it is deep and strikes the heart the hardest. I have been told I am a very hard worker and I have succeeded in many things and have always been told I am a strong person but this is the most difficult thing I have ever delt with I wish it upon noone but I do wish some would have to live a couple of days in my shoes and see how it is there are not enough words to explain I will try to continue this when I have time I hope this helps! 

10/23/08 5:49am

I have been busy working on other projects for awhile so I really haven't had the time to read many posts these last few months. What I will say is that the majority of spouses that did leave were the consequences of either a verbal physical abusive relationship or that of adultery.

Here is where issues arise in a relationship where a mental illness exists:

Spouse takes on role of:

Doctor, therapist or the worst, the role of a caregiver in that this person has to assume the responsibilities of everything, treat the (significant other)patient as a child and do everything for them and the relationship becomes more of a need than a want.

In a relationship its a balancing act of each taking turns at being the strong one in that the other can lean on them. In this relationship above, the tendencies are that one has to be the strong one all the time and it takes its toll...sometimes to much of a toll.

You mentioned walking in your shoes for a couple of days...I have, and I have also walked in those same shoes of your wife's and that of other caregivers. I would be careful of being to hypercritical or too judgmental of when a person says enough is enough and needs to change course.

For you...my suggestion is to get in check that rage that as you put it scares everyone including yourself "I know I can be scary when I have a rage and I get very intense" before your wife finally says enough is enough.

10/23/08 10:46am

I did say I assume responsibility for all my actions. My wife and I share the stress in our relationship and my manic rages are very minimal. I was not finished with my story either and the point of the story is to help them look through our eyes! We hurt people sometimes with no remorse, but at the same time do not mean what we say if you have been on both sides of the fence then you know not everyone finds the right meds but take them anyway cause they know no better. In fact I will put it like this TO ALL- Bipolarism is best compared to being paralyzed from the chest down and shitting on yourself, by the time you figure out what you have done it's usually to late!! Practice treatment but minimize dependency on meds more on self control and adapting to this sickness and if someone truly loves you they will not leave you alone in this fight but it is YOUR fight so take one on chin and get in there and fight quitters never win ha!! ha!!

10/25/08 11:32am

How can I help my husband and not become his caregiver, doctor, therapist, mom etc...?  I truly love my husband and have three children with him, but I am tired.  He has just admitted(accepted) that he has bp.  I want to help him, but don't want him to depend on me.  He started meds a couple days ago and I'm not ready to give up just yet.

Anonymous
Robin
10/23/08 10:38am

I did remember my wedding vows but let me tell you there is only so much a person can take and be put on a family. My husband is BP and has only been on meds for a little over a month. Even after I said I would be here to support him and help him through this he continued to run off, drink and pick up women. Do u know how it feels to try to explain to an 8yo where his daddy is? I love my husband very much but we can't live together for now and are getting divorced. He has to accept this illness himself or self destruct. Sometimes it takes losing everything before you figure that out. Reality has hit him hard now and we will see if he pulls himself up out of it. I have a child to think of who didn't ask for this either. I am still here for him and want very much for him to be a part of our lives but not under my roof now. I have to take care myself and our son.

10/23/08 11:22am

My wife has set boundaries and please let me add that I do not condone in anyway shape or form constant abuse of ones spouse especially physical abuse. But I find one big issue with BP is the fact that we all ready feel alone and alot of us try not to bring our issues upon others and alot of these ill reactions are out of hurt or being mad at ourselves we just express it in different ways. I can literally say I do not drink the only addiction I have ever had is nicotine. I do not go to bars and I do not spend excessivelly. I have a very good job and have always worked my ass off to support my family and give them the best. My marriage up until now was a rollercoaster my wife has been through alot due to the fact that I refuse to be over medicated so most of our ups and downs have been from my battle with self control and though I am far from perfect I have done very well. It is so very hard it is like having to constantly look over your shoulder almost every second of your life to keep those demons locked up inside your dungeon and throw away the key. The largest issue with BP is realizing you have it when you have been a certian way your whole life it is hard to see something is wrong and usually by the time you start to see it for yourself you have turned many loved ones against you and yes to all BP spouses most of the time there will be some form off abuse and do not tolerate it! Whether it is physical or mental but do not expect it not to happen either it comes with the package and for your children, educate them on their parents condition and when the parent is in their ''better moods'' have them sit down with their children and explain their problem and to reassure their children that no matter what mommy or daddy says sometimes they still love them with all their heart and then ask the children for feedback on ones condition. I find that when I see my wife holding her tongue and I see how hard she is trying it just makes me fight it that much harder. Hope this helps!!

10/23/08 1:19pm

I totally hear and and know how you feel. Believe it or not I have been Bipolar since I was 18. At that time I met my husband who I am still with. I don't know how he's done it but we have been together for 30 years!!! I never though with my horrible life at that time I would find the right person who could love me in spite of my illness. He has seen some of the worst things when I was manic and yet he stays with me. He is one in a million.

10/23/08 3:52pm

Man maybe you just were "not ment to be together", did you ever consider that.

please stop using BP disorders as a crutch. And for your and many other failed marriages. If you ramble on like on here i would be sick of you within days. step back and take a deep breath and move on.

10/23/08 6:19pm

Sweet!! a smartass!! If you have everything so wipped and your so well off why the hell are you on here? And if your sick of the rambling don't read it. What do you think posts are for genius? If you would have taken the time to read it you would have seen that I am not using BP as a crutch I promote self control and to minimize meds. as much as possible and if that is not "dealing with it" I don't know what is. Your awesome attitude towards this shows just how well you are dealing with it so "step back, take a deep breath, and shut up!! If you don't want to help and or hear what people have to say I would suggest you find better things to do with your time than to get on this website and remember, we do have BP!! we love to ramble!!JACKASS!!     

10/23/08 7:50pm

like i said maybe you were not ment for each other. I have the right to take offense to your putting everyone in your position blame on being BiPolar. Im bipolar and would have delt with it differently. did i touch a soft spot and kick in your rage! it was easy and i know i couldn't stand being married to you. you give bipolar a bad name.

10/23/08 8:08pm

Yes actually you did piss me off a little. I have just recently have been diagnosed with BP and have found that reading about people that are like me has helped a lot. I thought I was the only one that felt this and couldn't understand all this time why I couldn't control it all this time no matter how hard I have tried. So I have been "rambling" on here because it has actually helped me a lot and it felt good to get other peoples positive input but then you obviously are not here for the same reasons that I am so I guess I will respect your opinion and go on. Wish you well buddy!

10/23/08 8:29pm

ok sorry but rambling on here don't help if anything it enables your manic episodes.

Iv been their i know how your feeling. Yes knowing your bipolar may now have answered allot from your past, but it doesnt mean everyone around you has to agree. and they won't! If anything they will use it aginst you, especially the public. maybe not and you have folks around you who care but your one of the selected few. I still dont think your spousel issues , are due to being bp. Theirs more at work their.

I know a girl i love to death but if IM around her its my worst nightmare. I could try and work it out with her non-stop while she's feeding my rage, causing my mania, and effect everyone in my life, its a waste of energy, shes a frign b**** , were just not met to be.

10/23/08 10:32pm

Yes I do have a lot of support and I don't have many episodes at all they are very minimal but I have never been medicate d for BP just picked up my meds today Lami tal or something I would have to look at it. My wife use to trigger my rages but there aren't many people who can do it better than your spouse. I have 3 children that I love very dearly and my wife has been doing her homework to try to understand I am not saying everything is going to be hunky-dory from now on but having some knowledge about what is going on will help. And I will have to disagree with you because by rambling on here does help because all this time of feeling like for some damn reason noone ever gets what I am saying or when I have tried to explain things in the past noone ever seemed to understand how I think! And to actually talk to people who do understand especially after 30 years now is kinda exciting and also a big relief so I am new to this now and have a lot of catching up to do sorry if I have bored anybody to death but it does make me feel better due to the fact I feel as if I am being heard for the first time and sorry you cannot manage to be with the one you love. Wish you well!!

11/ 2/08 3:05pm

It was very nice to read your post from a "male" person married with bipolar. You mentioned  interesting things one of which is the ability to count on someone.  My fiancee has been diagnosed with this and I have been with him for 4 years.  It is like living on a rollarcoaster ride literally.  I never know who will be on the other end of the phone or who will be home when I get there, Dr Jekyl or Mr Hyde.  But I love him with all my heart and have stayed with him through so many dysfunctional things that are bringing my only life down.


Rarely can I count on him, he is so unpredictable I never know when he is going to explode and no one is ammune to his behavior.  Finanacially he has filed 2 bankruptsys before our relationship and has not paid taxes in the past 10 years.  He is very abusive mentally and has been physically with chest butting me up to the wall multiple times and grabbing my neck one time and slapping me another across the face.  Now to his defence the slap first came from me when he was in a manic mood nose to nose calling me the b word over and over again so I slapped him and then he smacked me back.  Everything in his life is someone eles fault nothing is his fault.  He does not pay bills, does not open up mail, and I do mean EVER open up mail!!!  He is like you a very strong work ethic but has been let go of many jobs and or the ones he owned prior again he had to file a bankruptsy on.  We now have a business for the past two years but he does not allow me to do anything with it at all.  It is all in my name because of his IRS issues but I cannot even write a check from the account or answer the phone he is in complete control of it as he always says!!!  Unlike you he has nothing wrong with him to him the drs do not know what they are talking about he says.  Again how do I help someone who will not help himself with out sacrificing my life completely.  His own family wants me to leave him, they all love him to be he constantly for years have let all of them down including his kids.  Know one intimate to him wants to have anything to do with him and it is so sad such a waste of a persons life when all he has to do is try to get help, take some meds but he will not he would rather loose me and all we have than do that.  He is also like you that he is extremely smart which seems so contradictory because he will not get help.  He has tried suicide at least 3 times been institutionalized 2 times, but again that is not his fault but someone eles for putting him there.

Well now I am living in Maui took a job here 2 weeks ago to get away from him but I do love him and yes he came out and helped me move here and we have our business and home back there which is all again in my name.  I even had to set all bills up online to make sure they got paid there because in his prior marriages utilities were disconnected multiple times from him not paying them and I do not want that to happen with my house.

Finally from you what is your advice from your perspective it just seems as though he does not love me as much as I do him I think he is taking advantage of me and I am letting him.  Of course I think he loves me a bit but he is so unpredictable that we get into a fight and he goes online and places ads for looking for women, I caught him 1 time with 2 ads, his excuse was that he was just mad at me.  He never talked to any of them but that shows just how unpredictable he is.

 

Please any advice would help I really do love him and have tried to do all I can for him but now I have developed anxiety and am on meds myself for it and antidepressants I just wish he would help us help him

 

Thank you and I am so happy for your family that you recognize the issue and are trying to deal with it the best you all can.  Blessings to you

11/14/08 8:22pm

I am sorry it took me so long to reply to this. I have never hit my wife that is one rule I live by, one of the other rules nomatter how mad I get I don't say that

"I hate her!" Now lets deal with the question at hand first rule you should make is that there will be no more physical abuse and stck with it do not let that happen more than once I he breaks that rule you leave right then and there then you explain to him why you are leaving. You cannot let him hit you by doing this he should start to realize what is he has

11/14/08 9:20pm

He should start to realize what it is he has done and you should wait until he has calmed down give him his space to do this then while everthing is normal then try to talk to him and ask him about what happened? Then ask him if he remembers what all had happened and what he did. Then calmy and not accussing him ask If he sees anything wrong with what he did. This I believe is a good way to start to get him to see something is wrong. then don't try to diagnose him cause he will think you have in your mind that he is. Just sit down and try to get him to point out the things he sees are wrong and write them down. then together get on the internet and start to surf the web for a condition similar to his but try to somehow make your way to a bipolar website and let see if he sees any things that similar to what he is going through and or things that you and him have discussed before. Then if he does think that there are some similarities then show him how much it can affect you by being his spouse then softly tell him how much it hurts when he does those things to you and how much you love him. then explain to him that something needs to be done before it gets to late cause you cannot handle living the way you are much longer but that if he tries to get treatment then you will support him and try just as hard to get things better for him and stick by his side as long as he sticks with the deal. Do not let him deny he is and if he does then softly tell him your sorry but you will be leaving just don't argue with him cause it gets nowhere silence and patience is the key! Now if he does start to do better and he sees it and he stays with his med thats awesome but do not tell him he needs to take his med everytime he gets mad like I said silence and patience are the key just tone him out and don't entertain his actions until he has calmed down and is in stable mode again then get him to acknowledge what he did then try to see what triggered it and how the situation could have been handled better.I HOPE THIS HELPS!!

11/15/08 10:22pm

Thnks for the advice.  He is not taking any meds becauses he thinks he has nothing wrong with him.  He does not believe that he has ANYTHING wrong with him he blames me for everything and says that I am the cause of all the drama.  I have now moved to Maui and left him in the house, my house.  And he complains about making the payments and the utilities.  He is so selfish and wants me to do everything for him but he does not want to do anything for me so I am really getting sick of it.  He has been diagnosed with Bipolar but will do nothing about it after 3 divorces you would think he would get a clue but I am so tired of it now that I cannot take it anymore.

 

Thanks for the words, read you soon Paige

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