This is what I've learned over the years here at this website, I being one with Bipolar and not a professional anything.
The majority of "others" who post have someone in their lives that they SUSPECT has Bipolar. They've read a list of symptoms and placed the behaviors on the lines and thus diagnosed the person themselves. Or, the person supposedly has many many many other family members with Bipolar for whom supposedly all came out of the proverbial MH closet and informed this person of their illness.
Occasionally, you do have a shareposter or inquistor who actually has someone, who truly has been diagnosed with Bipolar. Yet, they are few and far between.
Many of the ones written about may actually have more Borderline Personality than Bipolar or, some other Personality Disorder issue. Yet, no one wants to look at the Borderline or other Personality Disorder angle.
Many of the ones written about may even have both Bipolar AND a Personality Disorder issue. Yet, in that no one really wants to know about Bipolar - they don't want to know any more about Personality Disorders. Not all with Bipolar have a Personality Disorder and not all have either/or.
What they all seemingly have wanted is for someone here to tell them how to make the person in their lives, who is causing them much distress, to simply stop. They want someone to tell them what to do AND yet, they quite often don't enjoy receiving what the masses are sending back as feedback.
No one wants to force anyone into a psychiatric evaluation, no one wants to call the law, no one wants to pack their bags and leave the house, no one wants to do anything. See, cause for them to have to do something puts the responsibility for their own misery on them and the means in which to alleviate it - also with them. It takes the blame off the one they supposedly have layed it on and they'll likely balk at any suggestions to do such.
They can't leave, they feel guilty. It's their house, why should they leave?
I have no where to go, why can't he leave? etc...
Or
If it is the Bipolar, I just know he has, then I can accept all this abusive behavior is his illness and not really him. See, I've read that Bipolars are violent and abusive and that they all cheat so... if it is his Bipolar and not him, then I can deal with the abuse and his cheating so much better.
Now, someone please tell me what to do to fix him cause I love him and I want all this to work!
Hi Jerry
In the moments of crossing the line. I understand the mood of dr jeckle and hyde, can relate very well. I am a very understanding person and very nice. There are times because of my illness that I do lash out in anger about whatever the problem with spouse. But I don't mean it-of course later when back into reality I guess. I am new at figuring this illness out. My point is that when the illness has taken over_mood not right but you don't know it you do or say things that i wouldn't normaly do or say. IF my mood whould have been right to begin with all would be WELL.
I frequently feel like this disorder CONSUMES me. Any advice??
lisa
There is no excuse for abuse(Bipolar or not). However if a loved one is ill we owe it to them to stick by them,and encourage them to get the help they need,not just desert them. It may require a temporary absece from the home or even having them commited to a facility.
I am reading so much on self diagnosis,and wish that some of these posters would consider the fact that these people are just starting their search to better inform themselves before they take the next step in getting help! They have realized there is a problem and are seeking support, not just an excuse to stay with an abusive person.
I recently posted , and since deleted,because of these such comments.
I was not self diagnosing(medical and psychiatric treatment were in the works).The law was called,and husband is out of home.
However I am not yet willing to disregaurd my marriage vows because my husband is ill.
I do agree that abuse does not constitute Bipolar,but if the signs are there it is worth checking into .
Thank you to the commenters that informed me of other illnesses this could possibly be(this is the help I was looking for).
My husband divorced me while I was in a mental institution, and he used a situation with my niece starting an argument with me, to make me flea from the house. He had the police follow me, in my own car, and arrest me for pettiness and resisting arrest because of my fear of police officers. He has lived with my niece, since before the night I left....
He took everything, but one blanket from me....I guess you'd say it was my security blanket and that is how I'm now dealing with being abandoned at birth!
I have acted out of fear, and look psycho when threatened by bullies. It is not my intent to be mispercieved, however now in my mid thirties...my life has been a joke.
For every action there is always a consequence. Mine is making people not want to be around me, and transient relationships. Those that wanted to be around me are all deceased.
I have no problem with you mentioning me Hopefulness
See folks - the (Ts) she is mentioning is well... me
she apparently did not find my reply(ies) to her posts, uhmm mushy, supportive, loving, encouraging
So I, being one with Bipolar, am the bad one obviously because I seemingly lack sympathetic understanding of her respective plight.
Part of being on this website, posting, is again... receiving replies. In that any and all can view and any and all can reply... not all replies will be as enjoyable or agreeable as one may have hoped to have received.
Does not mean that all of those found disagreeable to the poster, were not honestly meant from a good place in the one who took the effort to reply (even though it was not as was wished to have been received).
Eh... but, we all move along and to each his own.
Peace...
I agree we all need to hear the good and the bad.
I personally just wish people would READ the posts before they jump to a conclusion.
In my original post I stated that we were seeking psychiatrist,and exploring all options(not just Bipolar).Although medical Dr. has agreed it sounds like Bipolar. I was just wondering.In no way was I trying to self-diagnos.
Although,being a parent I have gotten pretty good at diagnosing strep throat,ear infections etc...
You are right,you are the one with Bipolar,so I will try to be understanding when it sounds like you and other commenters are calling the rest of us idiots.
I also have a daughter in law (that has been properly diagnosed multiple times) with Bipolar,and a friend. I understand this is very difficult not only on the people with the illness,but the families as well.We are all here for support.
Remember you are not alone in this.
Wish you the best.
My husband has never been physically or even verbally abusive. He just uses tones of voice implying that whatever I just said was really stupid or annoying, or he challenges things that may have been stated ambiguously, and pretends he doesn't understand, also in an attempt to belittle the other person. Before the bipolar diagnosis, I would just say that he is an irritable guy. Now I ask myself why he talks to me in ways that he seems to be able to control toward others, or toward our family pets. If it's bipolar, I wonder how he can control it with them and not me. I finally realized that part of the answer is because I let him. So, after almost 25 years of marriage, I finally said that I won't be spoken to in that tone anymore, and that I don't deserve it. I said that if it continued, he would have to find a way to live on his own. He has been treating much better ever since, apologizing when necessary, and I think he feels a lot better about himself for not being a jerk.
I have to congratulate you on that decision, not an easy one to make but necessary. We have to tell others BP or not, our limits.
I wish there were more people like you and stop this kind of behavior, not healthy to leave with someone who doesn't make an effort to treat us right.
I wish you all the best and good luck.
Alex
After over 20 years of being together, as a result of a personal breakdown, my partner was diagnosed as having bi-polar disorder. Gradually, so many behaviors of his over the years began to make sense. The irritations, the moodiness, the depression, the "off to the races" behaviors....and the affairs, which were devastating. Since his medication routine now the right one(over a year with 4 regimens that didn't work), excercise, meditation and focus on sprituality and reality, he's a better person than he ever was. I wanted to say that the sexual affairs and escapades would have long ago made me leave. But, even not knowing about his bi-polar nature, there was enough solidity and love between us to weather these things. So, my point is: realizing that he was more inclined in manic times to seek someone outside our relationship, makes it easier to look back at the past, but I made the decision to stay not because he was bipolar and therefore maybe not fully responsible for his actions (cause I didn't know he was bipolar) but because I (and he) made decisions each time to try until it would be super clear it can't work. I'm not giving any advice except to say that it's the years that make it clearer whether the relationship is solid or not. And I have to say that this is the best our relationship has ever been.
BN
Hi
My ex has bipolar. We were together for about a year & a half, lived together for about 9 months. He didn't treat me awesomely but I always found myself making excuses for him - "he doesn't mean it, he's just not well today". I broke up with him after he came home with other girls' phone numbers - I realised I could put up with being yelled at & called names, but I sure as hell wasn't going to put up with cheating.
Now that I have the gift of retrospect, I know that I shouldn't have spent as much time as I did making excuses for him, and my reason is this: He never, ever took responsibility for his illness. He didn't have a phsychologist or a psychiatrist, he didn't even have a regular GP. He didn't 'do the right things' (eg limit drinking or drug use, ensure he took medications properly etc). Had he really, really been trying, than my excuses for him on the bad days may have been acceptable. But in the circumstances, they weren't. I put of with a whole heap of crap that I shouldn't have, cried far too many tears. All of which I think would have been ok, if he'd genuinely been making an effort to help himself.
I think maybe the line is not static, even for one person. I think that if it is clear that a bipolar person is genuinely trying their best, maybe they deserve a little extra leeway (within reason, of course). On reflection, my ex probably didn't deserve that, but I gave it to him anyway - which I realise now was my bad, oops!
I have been in my reationship for four years now and it scares me now because of my episodes.I feel like two different people a lot of times.One day I want to be with him and even in the day I just want him out of my life, I expode with screaming,throwing things and sometimes hurting myself.It is really taking a toll on my relationship.I don't feel like I will ever have a long relationship due to my bipolar. Am I alone in these episodes? 
No matter how hard it may be to control our extreme feelings if we have BP disorder, nothing is an excuse to cross the limits and harm other people. Meds only take care of our brain's needs, they don't change our personalities. Bipolar or not, we always have to set boundaries in all kinds of relationships. We can always tell when we are off balance; we can choose to leave to protect others from ourselves. Family and friends don't have to put up with us, they can help by not pushing buttons and supporting us, but never to be our bag of sand. We have to be responsible for our actions and understand how hard it is to be with someone with BP.
"It is a steep expectation we can hope for but have no right to demand. That's like syainmg someon e should have control over their relapses and remissions of Multiple sclerosis, or epilepsy, or a brain tumour, all of which can and do in some case alter mood and behaviour and perception with neuronal brain changes. 50% of people with Bipolar apprently do not recognise hypomania or mania coming on or realise when they are acting out of character or have any mental abilioty to se it this way or control it."
I do have many questions about this but I find very hard for someone who doesn't have BP to talk like as if it knows so much about it and compares having BP disorder with brain tumor or being diabetic. People do have to take responsibility of taking the best care of themselves in any illnesses and of their actions, finding tools to help them coping with it. Taking the right meds and having therapy, if necessary, is vital to understand where this illness ends and our personality starts. That's what I call being responsible of one's actions instead of blaming on BP for cheating and for abusing their partners or whatever. It's very easy to find people emotionally unstable, immature and irresponsible without having BP, but when they know they have it well it's a good way to do make their lives easier and not take the time and the effort to take control of their well being and be stronger to handle it the best they can. And yes, protecting others from themselves when necessary. It's not dementia or something uncontrollable so why keep saying we can't be responsible for the way they let ourselves behave when we are off balance?
We have to be aware about our roller coaters all the time, it's a full time job!
I advise you to do a better research about it or talk to a good psychiatrist because this is a serious matter and there are people being abused in their relationships willing to forgive BP's for their behavior.
If people don't want to take the time to improve themselves or to do all in their power, with professional help, to control their actions towards others, then those living with them should leave that abusive relationship.
Alex
so...
if I were to tell you that I have fairly accurate insight into my own state of mental being due to many many years of intensive therapy
seek help when I recognize needing it (even pdocs recognize this in me)
am in a stablizied period
am able to conduct myself rationally and reasonably as that of a productive person in society
and
that I do not commit abuse towards anyone
nor am I prone to any violence towards anyone in either type of episode or even in a mixed episode - outside of possibly committing violence solely to myself (have not done so in many years by the way) thus showing both insight and control
per your long winded responses here... I'd not have a true and accurate perception of my reality because of the illness, right?
Because I have been diagnosed with Bipolar, per you, I have absolutely no insightful awareness of my own being, right?
and
if I understand you, which I may not so forgive me please
if one happens to abuse another and that person has Bipolar or is suspected of having Bipolar, that is not actually diagnosed (cause according to somewhere up there you said there is much research that shows a lot of domestic violence with those undiagnosed and diagnosed which would lead one to believe Bipolar equates domestic violence)
- then we should perhaps excuse because the abusive behavior is a symptom manifesting of the illness and the person has no real insight, even while medicated, into his or her state of being and/or control of their actions due to the chemical screwing of the brain, right?
A person with Bipolar can not be responsible or accountable for their own illness or something to that effect, I think is something you said. If I'm wrong, please correct.
Just want to understand you. The long typed replies are hard to read and those who take meds may find it hard to focus and concentrate.
So, if you wish to answer, and it is completely up to you, would you please do so in short clear sentances?
So, is throwing an ashtray at the wall in a rage (no other people around) considered violence? No drugs or alcohol involved.
Lately I have been in mostly manic state w some depression, also my ocd has gone up drastically as well (after the reintroduction of abilify and the onset of menopause, which really blows.)
How to tell how much of what is going on is medicine, and how much is menopause?
Anybody got any ideas of finding out the answers?
Thanks
PS- If I've got this writ in the wrong area or forum, please move it to it's proper place and notify me by email anything that might help find out answers or suggestions.
It's much appreciated.
If a person gets hit by a person, (jekyl and hyde) , in my opinion,
they should leave the relationship, as it is dangerous, bipolar or not
bipolar, and both should seek counselling. if i as bipolar, were hit, i would
get out, and never go back. although we arent perfect, we have to learn
from our experiences. instead of being 'vulnerable', we have to be
assertive with our anger , and speak up appropriately, without yelling.
Yelling to me is a red flag, and i d get outa there. you are right jerry,
*****, we have a habit of going into depression with anger, but the
frustration and (losing it), comes with depression, not the manic part.
for me, the manic part......i m so happy, i have a ball, but spend too much
money, and when we are balanced, then we arent so sensitive as to be
'set off' by somone or something. So the trick is to work on the balance, of
my dosage of medication, with my dr. i left a jekyl and hyde relationship
and i m so happy, my friends are so, fantastic, they dont hit or yell,
and even back to dating , and feel better about myself. it is common
for a victim of violence to blame themselves, BUT NOT TRUE, noone ever
has the right to hit someone, no matter what the situation. If you have to
be lonely for a while, till you meet more people, just join a support group
and DUMP it all on the table, you ll feel better...and less confused.
Bipolars have alot of good qualities in them, and i dont care
what others think, of us. Thankyou.