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Tuesday, August 12, 2008 Rosebud asks

Q: How do you control your "leap before you think" impulsive behavior?

Can you give me some thoughts, skills or techniques to use when I become impulsive? It's not just impulsive buying or impulsive reckless driving, but impulsive thoughts.  I was officially diagnosed with BP last year.  I've had two good part-time jobs, and I go to college.  When things get tough for me, I get stressed and over whelmed very quickly.  Most times I don't know what to do with my emotions.  Twice I attempted suicide because I couldn't deal with my life.  I've since been put on meds. to stablize the mood swings and the depression.  They are doing a pretty good job but I still give in to impulsive behavior which may - or may not - be a symptom of BP.  It doesn't matter if it is or isn't because it is still something I need to deal with and I'd like to know how to begin. 

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John McManamy, Health Guide
8/12/08 3:17pm

Hi, Rosebud. As far as things you can do for yourself to help with runaway thoughts, nothing beats mindfulness. Here's the link to an article I wrote for BipolarConnect:

 

http://www.healthcentral.com/bipolar/living-well-199941-5.html

 

You can navigate your way to three more articles I wrote on mindulness from here:

 

http://www.healthcentral.com/bipolar/living-well.html?ic=4026

 

Also, practicing yoga and meditation will help you pick up some mental discipline.

 

Hope this helps -

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8/12/08 9:02pm
rosedub ill chime in on this, though john has passed great info im sure & i like the meditation/yoga part, if ur not hurting yourself impulsive behavior is ok. many people do this to a certain extent, dont fall out of a routine. ur holding 2jobs is awesome but thats dbl the checkbooks to balance, dont fall out of watching ur budget helps me since i am extremely impulsive when comes to blowing cash, u have twice the work to do so stick to it. maybe u should consider different meds to help controll the compulsiveness. driving thru chicago for instance can be very challenging, it may cause u to get angry so u react compulsivly, i have almost eleviated my comulsiveness by hanging up the weed sticking to my meds & sticking to a nutritious diet, that does not include fast food at all, if u live that way maybe its not as bad as you think and ur compulsion is an extension of anger. just a thought...but hey 2jobs and schooling is a huge weight and u should be proud of you, hey the Beach &shore is relaxing Reply
8/14/08 12:24pm

While John may or may not have given you the answers you are looking for; I'll give you my personal response. I've been BiPolar longer than you've been alive it sounds like. Wink And have been on more meds. than the pharmacutical companies can keep making. lol! I have yet to find any combination of meds. even with meditation (no offense John) that will in fact keep Impulsive Behavior at bay or stop it from occuring. Yes, it will slow down; but stop completely...nope! That would be like finding the perfect medication for BiPolar disease and curing it. Impulsive disorder is a tag-along symptom for BiPolars i.e. Mania -  we spend to the the heavens; Depression - we spend to get back to the heavens.

I do have a trick I use though for my impulse spending either online or in stores. If online...when it shows up...don't open it and write RTF (Return To Sender) on the package. Not the best way to do it but it took me years to get to this point.

If I'm in a store; put it in a basket or carry it around the store, don't buy it immediately give your brain time to decide if this is really what YOU honestly want. Worse comes to worse you may always return it later also.Smile

 

The hardest impulse shopping you have to be cautious of is what you do for others. We are either "Givers" or "Takers". I'm a Giver...has put me in hot water more times than I care to remember. The hardest thing to remember is to tell someone especially in a manic mood is I need 30 minutes to think about it alone. You really do need that 30 minutes alone, I can't stress that enough.

 

I hope some of this has helped!

 

Blessed Be!

 

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8/14/08 5:31pm

Reading Stormfuries response was as I had written it myself! When stresses, Fleeting thoughts come to mind and "feel" like the "normal response" to a situation, spend money (and I am a giver too!), pack essentials in a car and "run away" (drive until reality hits or you run out of money and credit), suicide, etc.  I could go on and on, but I am now living in my parent's basement using their internet access, on SSDI, held the best most prominent jobs, but could not handle the pressure that I usually put on myself.  No combination of meds, meditation, hospitalizations have been able to control my bipolar, but most of the time, I do not give up hope that someday I will control my bipolar tendencies instead of them controlling me.  Oh, I forgot... I do have a tool that does immensely help me during an impulsive moment... I carry a notebook wherever I go (I am up to 20+ now - I keep them) and when I feel overcome during the moment, I feverishly write every thought (no matter how "crazy" and uncontrollable it may seem to others and it helps.  My mind still jumps around, but at least that is something.  Good luck...  BTW Johns Hopkins and Univ of PA both have a unique mood disorders clinics (psych and pych) that specialize in bipolar assistance...

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8/15/08 5:06am

I actually have this exact same difficulty with the escalating thoughts that have led to the suicide attempts, many words that should not have been said, etc.  I am attending a Dialectical Behavioral Therapy class that is helping SO MUCH.  My insurance only covers 5 more sessions so I will continue with paying out of pocket as I am improving my emotional stability so much.  I do have bipolar I & take 6 medications for it & they are necessary, but I could tell that there was something wrong still with my thoughts & that somehow I was jumping from one thought on to a speeding bullet train to irrational thoughts & conclusions that led to (you guessed it) irrational acts & behaviors.

 

DBT teaches different techniques--one John mentioned--"mindfulness"  which is NOT meditation as I understand it.  It is refocusing as one would with a camera on one thing to let the sensation of that experience wash over you rather than let the multitude of stimuli of the world bombard you constantly.  Practice some time each day doing just one thing "mindfully" even as simple as washing the dishes, folding warm laundry, putting hand lotion on, listening to soothing music, actually sitting down & slowly eating & tasting your food, etc.  Practicing these mindfulness techniques when you are not in a highly emotional state will make it easier to draw on the technique when you need it when you find yourself emotionally distraught & need to calm yourself down & push the "pause" button (another DBT technique taught) & thus not allow your thoughts to escalate further or for you to act rashly.  By having that "pause" you can start to think things like:  "What evidence is there that -----?whatever your particular paranoid thought might be" or "Hmm, isn't if interesting that I would jump to the conclusion that ----when I really don't have any FACTS to back it up.  All I have are FEELINGS & though my feelings are quite intense, I know feelinings are not facts."   I have tested this & it works!

 

This is a 26-week course so I can't go into all it teaches.  Just some of the other topics:  Breathing Techniques,  Distress Tolerance, Guidelines for Objectives Effectiveness:  Getting What You Want, Building Self Respect & Mastery, Reduce Vulnerability, Building Positive Experience, Learning How to Self Soothe, Effective Communication & Negotiation.

 

It was originally designed for people dxed with borderline personality disorder by Dr. Marsha Linehan.  All of the women in my group have borderline but I fit right in with my struggles with overwhelming emotions, difficulties with emotional regulation & over-reactions to situations & extreme sensitivity to criticism or perceived criticism.

 

I haven't looked at it yet, but a web site that was said to be helpful is dbtselfhelp.com.  

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8/16/08 12:05pm

My husband has a mood tracking folder that he does every night before bed after taking his meds. In the very front of this folder I have put a page with "rules,consequences,and rewards." I know the things that he does before thinking them through, so they are in there. For example, Rule: honesty. Consequences: you have to keep up with all of the lies which leads to overwhelming feelings and a guilty conscience. Rewards: clean mind and spirit. People believe you. You don't have to keep up with lies and have that guilty conscience. This has worked wonders for my husband. I suggest you write down all the things you do impulsivly and and make the rules,consequences and rewards for doing those things. Read it everyday so that it is embeded into brain. You can add things as they come up in your life.

Hope this helps. Good luck!

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8/16/08 7:42pm

I have been diagnosed with bipolar for 5 years now and I STILL experience irrational and impulsive thoughts.  It's definitely not an easy thing to control.  I believe it just takes a lot of practice of saying "NO" to the irrational thoughts/behaviours.  Over a period of time, it will eventually get easier.  I'm sure that's not the answer you were looking for.  We all want a quick fix, right ?  Unfortunately, that's not gonna happen.

 

Good Luck !

~Me

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8/18/08 11:47pm

Hate to admit it, but I have working through this progressively troublesome inability to fleet or retreat for about 25 years.  Getting worse not better.  Tried all psychatropic drugs (including xanax and adivan), continous therapy, hospitalizations, relationships, auto accidents, friendships, jobs, money (or now lack of), 3 marriages, I end all relationships and run, run, run.  I say biting things that I know will hurt but cannot stop the words from leaving my lips, although, early on, I could.  Again the progress to my hell is 50 steps back.  Bottom and final line is that I keep working at my worsening progression cycling between the hope of controlling it one day with the progression stopping and making more and more rash choices that may end up being unrepairable.  Best of luck to all of you!

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8/21/08 11:59pm

I've been diagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder besides my Bipolar Disorder. At my local mental health center, there is a group called "Emotional Regulation". The best thing that I can think of that has helped me in my own struggle against impulsive behaviors is using the skill "Wise Mind". It is using a combination of thinking emotionally along with thinking rationally. I've learned this skill from the above mentioned group's handouts. They are from Skills Training Manual for Treating Borderline Personality Disorder by Marsha Linehan. That book is referenced on this self-help website: http://www.dbtselfhelp.com/. I haven't personally been clicking around the website, but that first page has a bunch of links on it.

 

If you were an avid Star Trek watcher, then I can explain wise mind easier.

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By Rosebud— Last Modified: 10/26/11, First Published: 08/12/08