Do you often hear about people with bipolar disorder using marijuana to calm mania?
Hi, Jilly. I strongly endorse Chris' comments.
I could see where in theory the active chemical in cannabis could help with mania. But this hasn't been tested nor is it legally available, and certainly not in the microscopic amounts that would be required to medically accomplish the mission.
In my experience, people I have encountered saying they use pot to control their bipolar are lying, mainly to themselves. In fact, they are pot heads in denial and I would have a lot more respect for them if they admitted it.
Certainly, smoking a joint or even sharing one is overkill. Look at the "side effects": Loss of rational control of the brain, paranoia, appetite stimulation, sleep inducement, loss of reflexes, and on and on. Not even a drug company could come up with a med as stupid as pot.
All that pot offers is what any street drug or alcohol offers. It very quickly lifts you out of your current state of mind into one that you perceive is better. If your life is that pathetic to start with, the answer is to work on improving your life, not escaping into drugs.
Also keep in mind: Acceptable social drinking and pot use is an occasional indulgence, say on the weekend. To actually use pot to control mania, we are talking everyday use. Everyday use is totally ridiculous and utterly stupid. Don't even think about it.
You seem to be a very smart man but a bit ignorant to Bi-polar and Marijuana. Before I even new i was Bi-polar I used Marijuana because I wasn't able to function and keep a job without it. Know I use it on a regular basis with depakote and nuerontin because if I don't I would be setting on my couch as a zombie. It's really funny how people who have never experienced mentally what I go through on a day to day basis can use there knowledge that they have learned from doctors and anti-drug organizations but yet really have no clue what they are talking about and that is obvious from your statment. If I told you that lithium is the best bi-polar medicaton you would have no problem excepting that, but did you know how damaging that medication is to a person's kidneys, heart, and thyroid glands but its ok. Since you are such a smart obviously you already knew that. Can you tell me other than the tar that you inhale into your lungs please give me one scientific long term health problems one can occur that is more detramental than lithium, or the liver problems a person can occur from depakote. I hate to tell you but you won't find anything. I have researched and done college papers on long term affects of marijuana use and there are very few. So good luck on your ignorant theory of Marijuana.
You know it is hard to convince people to believe in something. I have used the drug myself for 5 yrs. Now it is 7 yrs. that I ve quit smoking it. I am a bi polar manic, too. I dont know if I have the illness bcs I used to smoke. See, a substance which distorts how the mind perceives the world you live in is a dangerous thing. So, please dont go aroung and say that it is a good thing to smoke pot. I mean if you re gonna do it, fine. But dont be writing and encouraging people to do it. İf you are using lithium than drink lots of wate, eat healthy, and do sport - that way you can maybe avoid the side affect. And plus do you see a difference between legal and illegal. There is a reasoun why pot is illegal and lithium not. Think again...
The reason why pot is illeagle is that it's too difficult for the government to tax.
LOL like tobaco
It very quickly lifts you out of your current state of mind into one that you perceive is better. If your life is that pathetic to start with, the answer is to work on improving your life, not escaping into drugs.
Very true Mr. M !!
It would have been nice to have had that realization as a younger person.
You know ... I think most BP's using marijuana are self medicating either their
depression or " enhancing"their manias .
In my experience it " felt " like it was calming the mania , but I think it
was fuel for the fire. I could not get enough during a hypomania.
I can FROM EXPERIENCE say that it is NOT helpful for this illness.
Yep..that is MY experience . I think the thing to consider here is
the fact that this illness causes judgement impairment. ESPECIALLY
when manic , where as we know , NOBODY can tell me what to do...
cause after all... I'm not the one with the problem .
Ok Mr smart guy. Did u know that when u are Bipolar you can fall into a state where u are not motivated to do anything with your life? Did you know that Being a BP can make u feel parinoid as well?, Loss of appetite? loss of sleep as well. Matter fact u cant even sleep most times at all when u r Bipolar. Which actually makes the symptoms worse when u lose sleep. Are u serious about what u said ''Not even a drug company can come up with a med as stupid as pot''. Wow so like all the meds they have over counter and prescriptions for do not even have side effects or damage your body at all. U know they u cant even overdose and die off od meds. Yeah right There is not one recorded event of someone dying of smokin canibus. But people die everyday on prescribed drugs. Look at Michael Jackson! He couldnt sleep! He took sleeping pills next thing u know he didnt wake up! I'm not saying to get high its good for BP's but I am saying they need to research it because I do feel that Canibus does has a healthy effect on BP's. But I also believe that it should be regulated on its use just like any other meds that require a certain measurment of intake. I think some people abuse the smoking of canibus and get too high. I believe they shouldnt smoke too much to get high but to get a small buzz which may help regulate there mood swings over time. I tried it and it helped me feel very calm. Matter fact I was diagnosed with Bipolar in the army and knew nothing about canibus and Bipolar. Until I was smokin with my friend and felt much better the next day after coming down from that high and suddenly put two and two together and started to research if smokin canibus helps Bipolat patients. Im seeing alot of people agree to that.
You have a great point. People condemn the usage by saying there's little research on pot use and BP. Yet they then tell you it's detrimental. How do we know if there's little research? Aren't we really talking moderation anyway? If I'm hypo-mixed, should I take 10 mg. of Klonopin? No. Maybe. JK. A little weed helps. Too much masks the symptoms. Then it's hard for my wife to recognize it. She's my monitor. It is a hallucinogen. Too much affects perception. We BP's have a hard enough time with that as it is. Bad day, puff. Friend over, puff. Not every day all day after work and weekends.
Let me ask u this DO YOU HAVE BI-POLAR??? Because if you dont then u need to refrain from giving your opinion on this subject. I was finally diagnosed in 2004, I was put on 5 diffrent drugs to help and do u know what they did to me, I was a freaking zombie I could not function on a day to day basis. And OMG the side effects are terrible. As with any drug u have to learn your limits and know when to say when. It in no way impairs my judgement, it in no way slows down my reflexes, it in no way messes up my liver or my kidneys or my thyroid. I have no side effects, i sleep at night i can make rational decisions, i can function on a day to day basis and live like a normal person. Do you have any idea what its like living with bi-polar and trying to have a normal life????? It's hard as hell and the drugs didnt help but pot does, it is an instant fix, it doesnt take weeks it doesnt make me suicidal or paranoid, point in fact it helps, i can be as normal as is possible, when i smoke i dont have the anxiety or the extreme mood swings, the highs the lows do you know how bad that sucks????? Because me and everyone who has this illness does. I dont think anyone who doesnt have this is qualified to say that pot usage in people with bi-polar is wrong.
You are so right. Hey, if it works for you, it's the way to go. That old fart never smoked a joint in his life and if he ever took Lithium he would never ever have anything negative to say about marijuana!
Let's talk a little about side effects shall we! Every drug I have ever used has a list of side effects. Ranging from very rare to common. When addressing the side effects of marijuana compared to that of many other drugs being used, anyone who has been on both can tell you the major differences in the ability to maintain their lives. The wellbeing of the patient is paramount.
I have not found a single Psychopharmacological drug on the market that has the same benefits on my life. I have been fairly experimental in trying quite a few treatments. Having said that, I can affirm that marijuana dosage is very important. I would like to see not only more research into the effective dosages, but also a more accurate way to administer said dosages.
One large scale problem in many of the statistics I have seen on marijuana use and the creation of mental illness is this: It is a "chicken and the egg" argument. Without extensive research to show direct connections it is impossible to make any assumptions. Quite simply, people who do not fit the standard mold of society tend towards certian sub-culture settings. Would it be difficult to see that these settings have the greatest component of illegal drug use?
Many people like myself didn't develope bi-polar disorder until our late teens to early twenties (a common onset). Though we had plenty of social, emotional, and psychological difficulties before then. Simply put we were pre-dispositioned to being exposed to marijuana, not the other way around. I did not start experimenting with marijuana as a treatment or otherwise until only a few years ago, I wish I had know then what I know now! (I am 30 years old)
You clearly dont have a clue about what effecte mariguana has on most people. Your argument is also illogical. you say that "Certainly, smoking a joint or even sharing one is overkill"- indicating tha ta minuscule amount would do the job- tha tmeans that it does do the job.
you also say "the "side effects": Loss of rational control of the brain, paranoia, appetite stimulation, sleep inducement, loss of reflexes, and on and on." Yet when i was prescribed Lamotragine, i developed a skin rash that could havew killed me- who developed that idiocy? Depression is about perceptions, if i am depressed and can do something to make my perception change, adn i am not as depressed, then the drug works. You might want ot ask yourself why there is not one single conclusive stuidy that demonstrateds that Pot does not. Every single "scholerly" article i have read, and i read a lot says things like " it appears to " or it has been sugggested that" not one that says it had been "Proven that" .... pot is in any way a dangerous drug. in fact there is study after study that show the effects dangerous, long term, and toxic effects of Prescription drug after prescription drug. YOu are a mouthpiect who hasnt actually spent any time critically thinnking about this issue.
If yo udont know what you are talking about, please stop giving people advice.
another uneducated propaganda jack ass lacky to cowardly to say but what told by your owners paret person without cannibus to stop cycling and depression you will never exercise or eat healthy or even know you should. lithium kills ass man and does not control top symptom of premature morbality but incurages it a sedantary life stule until you look at facts from real scientific evidence checked and non bias you are preaching early death to all of us who know dam well it works and increase posative usefull brain function on gov meds i gained 100 pds develpoped non responsive diabetes and was bed ridden for 2 years when resumed use i lost 115 pounds able to burn 1500 calories in single work outs and am only alive today from knowledge aquired by its use never sought out on seriquil depacote ambien --gave restless leg syndrome to point of mononucliouses from non productive exaustion. grow some balls and tell truth or shut up untill 300,000 non bias double blind studie and such support your propaganda who paid you off what you offered to sell your soul to spread this lie that endangers all us as sufferers. f-u-jack hit me back but be sure to check yourself before u reck yourself. would love to talk face to face u bearer of tiny sensual place you got no heart and smell worse then egg fart --j baltimore
I'm 35 have no family history of mental illness, and no previous history of it myself. I was going through a rough spot at work last year and was prescribed Prozac, started have sociopathic tendencies, so I was switched to Zoloft, that sent me into an episode of extreme paranoia and anxiety, so I was switched to Paxil within 2 weeks I began my first truly manic episode complete with psychosis, totalled 2 vehicles and was arrested 3 times. Now that I've been off of these so called well tested and safe medications for over 6 months, I'm still having manic episodes. The truth is SSRIs were never effectivley tested for long term use in individuals, drug manufacturers have repeatedly admited to down playing the severity of these drugs side effects. Marijuana has been around for much longer has been tested more extensively than any currently used psychiatric medication on the planet, and in most cases is a much more effective mood stabilizing drug, if I had had access to it during my first SSRI induced manic episodes, I would have never been arrested, or totalled 2 vehicles, becuase I would have never left the house. My Dr. ofcourse tried to prescribe me 4 different types of medication to control the mania from the first one, when a drug addict sees a Dr. complaining about the side effects, he's told to stop using that drug. Not told to start using 4 more. So yeah I would say that many drug companies have come up with drugs that are as stupid as pot.
You, sir, are the reason I do not demonize Marijuana or it's users. I am happy to see that someone else is honest and perceptive.
I have used marijuana for a few years and you are right about it's effects on depression. It makes me NOT as depressed as I was literally 10 minutes ago so it must work.
It grows from the earth like a vegetable. And plants can kill you. But marijuana has never killed anyone and I have never heard of anyone being allergic to it either. So until someone comes up with even a single valid argument to support the condemnation of marijuana or any of it's many alternate uses and forms I can not rationally say it is bad.
The best scientific minds in the world have not given even a shred of true physical evidence to suggest and convince anyone that weed, in it's natural and god given(if you believe in that sort of thing) form is, in fact, bad. On the contrary, however, countless studies into pharmaceutical companies have shown a lot of bad reactions and your's is no different but it is now your's to have and know, with that experience, what is best for your body, mind, and soul.
Thank you again for your post.
And yet we can say that artificially created lab experiments are safe for everyday use, right?
Please. I respect you but to say regular use of marijuana is stupid is, in fact, quite stupid a thing to say.
There is a reason the naturalist movement is so strong now. It's because the paper trail of prescription drugs almost always can be traced back to bad effects and poor practices of pharmaceutical companies. Putting these unstable chemicals in your body is no different than what you perceive to be "overkill" by sharing a joint yet multiple pharmaceutical companies KILL people EVERY year. Why are they not considered murderers for ignoring FDA regulations and warnings and releasing unstable products into the general public marketed under "supplement" to dodge FDA inspection?
And I have something to say about your "side effects" as well since we are on the subject, Jerry.
"loss of rational control of the brain": Wait, what? What hat did you pull this one out of? Is it because of the minor euphoric effect of marijuana? Cause if I'm being honest with myself here euphoria is a good thing in moderation. And when I'm high I can still think rationally. What you seem to be suggesting is that, on some level, marijuana makes you stupid. Lack of motivation is up for debate but varies from person to person.
"Paranoia": When I first started using weed I got paranoid. Cause it's illegal. But when you do something illegal paranoia is common. Especially if you are young. When I am using marijuana in private away from peering eyes and authority figures I am not paranoid. So, honestly this isn't even a side effect of the drug if we're being honest with one another here. And, by using caution when I am high I am also thinking rationally that the possibility of being arrested and jailed is pretty good. So I take steps to prevent that from happening. So, in that case, it still does not inhibit my ability to think rationally.
"Appetite stimulation", "Sleep Inducement": A common symptom of depression in any form is loss of appetite and sleep. And a common cure for the sleep deprivation associated with depression is medications developed to make you sleep. I did this one in a double header because both of these are VERY good effects of marijuana on the sufferer of depression. By labeling this a side effect as if it is bad you are telling us that we should suffer from sleep deprivation or take a pill but we shouldn't smoke marijuana. And if we lose our healthy and natural appetites due to our depression then we should just accept that as an inevitability and just ignore it instead of smoking weed which you and I both know can restore our healthy appetites.
"loss of reflexes": What reflexes do we lose? I can still catch a ball or block a punch if I'm high. I can focus enough to use my hand-eye coordination when high. And I can manually stimulate my reflexes by hitting my knee with my hand or a small object when I'm high. So far the only possible explanation for this "side effect" that I can even rationalize would be the operation of machinery and vehicles. Simple solution: Just like when you drink maybe you should take a cab or get a ride?? Any person with common sense knows that.
And sorry if I'm being blunt but it's just who I am. Your arguments make no sense to the experienced individual. You are basically using scare tactics to discourage marijuana use instead of rational statements. You are also arguing your point with an "Ad Hominem" fallacy by saying people who smoke weed have "pathetic lives". That is an attack on marijuana users in general and does not give you any more credibility than a common schoolyard bully. How you earned your expert status at all if you answer questions this way is beyond my comprehension.
And marijuana is not Heroin or Liquor or Crack or Cocaine. All of those drugs and substances have studies proving their ill effects where as marijuana does not. So to pile them all up in the same category is foolish and makes no sense.
By the way I am not a pathetic pothead but if you think I am then you must really feel bad that this "pathetic pothead" just tore your entire post to shreds using common sense, experience, and rational thoughts. So rather than making invalid statements concerning the ill effects of a naturally occuring drug with no proof whatsoever to back up your claims I suggest you read up on street drugs and get a little bit more familiar with them before suggesting marijuana is the same as them.
I'm sorry this post was directed Towards John Mcmanamy. But while typing out these long arguments I forgot your name, John and I accidentally called you Jerry. But everything else in my post is correctly laid out.
Funny how this "Pothead" with severe depression can make such arguments yet forget who they are talking to and just assume it was Jerry instead of John.
Oh well, what is life without mistakes?
Yeah there is a reason that lithium is legal and marijuana isn't.One can be patented the other one can't.Heroin was legal, thorazine and haldol are still legal, have you ever seen the effects of that?Zyprexa has killed many people, pot hasnt.(i take zyprexa, though on a much lower dosage than before)
So I am rapid cycler, and if I smoke a joint it throws me into major mania. As effects on body compared to Lithium, pot kills brain cells at a more rapid rate, thereby deteriating mental capacity faster than lithium. God forbid your job starts drug testing, because you would become unemployed. Doctors see a lot of patients and can see the effects on many with mental disorders. Do not call this man stupid because you are a pot head. Bipolar experiences are not unique to YOU!
If you think that marijuana has stronger effects than bipolar medication you have CLEARLY never tried taking Lithium or Depakote. I simply cannot believe the level of ignorance here. Don't try to speak like a professional if you have no idea about the subject you speak of. Marijuana is a complex combination of THC, CBD and a dozens of other cannabinoids. THC acts more like an antidepressant, whereas CBD acts more like an antipsychotic. This is a common combination given to schizoaffective patients for example. There is now a strain of mariajuana which contains no THC and only CBD which acts solely as a powerful antipsychotic. Marijuana has side effects, like any other medicine i can possibly think of, and happens to have a LOT LESS than most psychotropic drugs useed for bipolar or mood disorder. Perhaps if there was less bias towards marijuana, more research would be done into it's individual compounds, and perhaps these compounds could be used ALONGSIDE other medications in order to find more effective treatments.
I have been living with Bi Polar disorder for more than 17 years. I have been on many medications prescribed by doctors and they have only made me worse.
The Psychiatric field in itself seems to be a very flaky field with doctors only having a general idea of what is wrong by talking to you about your symptoms and then calculating which drugs will have an approximate reaction and adjusting from there. I have had many adverse effects from many of these drugs including a near suicide atempt from getting so extremely depressed from taking the drug Paxil.
With that said, about a year ago I started smoking pot to help control the mania and the severe mood swings. When I say smoke, I usually take a small amount about a pinch and put it in a pipe and smoke 1 to 2 puffs. That is enough to help the uncontrollable thoughts that are usually racing in my head. It sometimes induces paranoia, I cannot lie, but I am normally paranoid. The pot does make me more up front about my paranoia and I will usually talk about it with someone as opposed to feeling like I am crazy and keeping it inside which helps me confront/control the paranoia and bring my mind to ease.
The problem with self medication is all I have to go by is my own study. If I see that I am building a tolerance I back off for a few days as to not develop an addiction. Not all people have that control. That is where the danger lies. I am a chain cigarrete smoker, and have a tendency to abuse substances, foods, excercise etc.. as do most people with my condition tend to have. Knowing this I feel like I have an advantage, knowing that I am susceptible.
My wife thinks I have a drug problem. Then again she does not think I have anything wrong with me as she does not understand my condition and just tells me to control it mentally. The laws also treat marijuana with ridiculous sentences, which to me is just a way to pump money into the judicial system, but maybe that is just my paranoia acting up again.
Hope this helps.
I don't think ANY of you have enough experience (professionals included) to say with certainty you know this subject.
I have bipolar1. I am 30 and was diagnosed at 15. I've been hospitalised, been given all kinds of advice and drugs. You know what helped me? I mean honestly? Truly? POT!!! Here's your proof: I'm no longer suicidal, I no longer need HUGE amounts of pharmacuetical grade poison. I am not a zombie. My judgement was impaired in the first place. Pot actually helps me calm down and make BETTER decisions. It has helped me lose weight because I no longer take huge doses of zyprexa (and others). My agitatian and anger levels decreased IMO around 75%. I can sleep at night without drugs. And It's been working for years! I defy ANY of you to prove it isn't so. Why are people so worried about being dependent on such a benign substance when they are fine with being addicted to their poisonous perscriptions? Don't get me wrong. Meds have their place. I gotta have mine! However, including pot in my routine has drastically reduced my need for them.I'm not saying it will work for everyone. We should at least be looking into it though. My quality of life is much better because I found my own path and didn't concern myself with how pot is viewed. I'm more concerned with how marijuana works anyway. Isn't that where our questions should lay? Put aside your stigma and let's REALLY study this plant!
This is Jilly. Thank you for all of the input. I have to admit, while I know you have the best intentions, the first 2 responses seemed so preachy. I am in AA. Stopping drinking has been the BEST experience. I am in recovery and my life is so, so, much better. (However, I deal with the shame and possibility of being "found out" that I spoke pot.)
What I really agree with is weighing the medications versus Pot. Let's see, after countless med changes, today I'm doing pretty well with the side affects: a right hand that flops like a fish when I get overly tired or stressed, a constant dry mouth and the inability of my body to maintain a constant temperature (I'm hot, I'm cold, I'm hot, I'm cold). That's pretty minimal considering the other side effects I've dealt with. (I'm not sitting on the couch in a comatose state for example.)
At the same time, I've got to say, these side affects impact my everyday life negatively, and there is NO WAY I am going to sign up to increase my meds to try to manage the mania I still experience. I use wellness tools, I take care about my schedule, etc., etc. to mitigate the highs. However, when I get "electric" when I want to jump out of my skin, Pot provides blessed relief.
Of course, I think there's a difference between using Pot to cope on a "need" basis and staying high all of the time. That isn't the clarity I'm looking for either.
Thank you so much,
I agree 100% I am Bipolar 1 and was always against marijuana until I tried it. It reduces my anxiety and makes me very happy. I think clearer and can think of reasons to live. I smoke a small amount before bedtime. It decreases my need for Ambien, which, for me, has scary and also dangerous side effects. I never drive "high" and make sure I am in for the night. I think everyones situation is different, for some it may not work. I quit before paranoia kicks in. If you are responsible with it, I see no reason why it should not be used.
Interesting debate. I have done quite a bit of web research and there are more claims out there by bipolar individuals that marijuana helps control their symptoms. What alarms me are the ones that use it to treat their disease without the use of perscriptions and care of a physician.
I am bi polar II and this disease prior to it being diagnosed wrecked havoc on my life. I tried marijuana to help relieve depression before diagnosis. It didn't work becuase a consistent dose was impossible. Since receiving care from a phyciatrist, they have put me one dopemine drug, one anti depressent and one mood stabilizer. Side effects are minimal. Life is much better.
However there is only so far they can get me with these drugs. They take the huge highs and lows out of the bi polar swings. But I still have them. When I am low I cannot function at work. When I'm manic I spend too much money.
I have found reasonable use of marijuana takes these last swings out. I am mostly baseline most of the time. The interesting thing is since THC is stored in the fatty areas of the brain the effects of the last smoke can last for several days if not a week. Daily use of this or worse daily repeative use of marijuana, I believe, is harmful as the bi polar population is five times more prone to addiction.
I personally do not believe claims that marijuana causes bi polar as we know this disease is herititary and I have it on both parents blood line.
I don't think ANY of you have enough experience (professionals included) to say with certainty you know this subject. I have bipolar1. I am 30 and was diagnosed at 15. I've been hospitalized, been given...............
I do not care what these "professionals" say. I have been using Medical MJ since 2008. I used to take it in the 80's. It was not until recently that I realized it really slows down the Mania. I use a vaporizer, so its better that smoking. I Only need a little to snap me back into 3rd gear.
"I'm Crazy not Stupid" Houseism 2010
My Health care professionals do not dissapprove of it either. Cheers.
There are people who talk about this question.
Consider my answer:
There are many degrees of bipolar and many conditions to be in (Bipolar I, Bipolar II and manias, depressions and hypomanias and dysphoric manias, for example.)
Marijuana is an herb with a drug in it that is not tested, controlled or measured by any standard. Users do not use the same amount--they vary from smoking a joint to staying up all night getting wasted.
This seems to me to be an incedibly dangerous mix especially when you consider that one of the main features of the bi-polar (and I am one) is, at times, loss of judgement.
Additional things to consider
1. It is expensive and bipolar people often have a hard time taking care of basic responsibilities.
2. It is illegal and lawyers are expensive and a record will increase a person's ability to rebuild their life.
3. In general, consistent pot use cause lethargy and lack of motivation. This does not help a depressed person or a person who is facing significant life challenges.
There are other things that are a detriment to getting well and whole: Using liquor, rejecting doctor's and loved ones advice and getting proper sleep and nutrition.
It might be beneficial to relieve stress by volunteering in a place where you will meet people who appreciate you for who you are and where you feel good about having made a positive effort during the day.
These are difficult things. I know it sounds boring and totally unconvincing but once you start on the road to recovery you will realize that getting high and drinking are the real excuse for a boring life.
i'm bipolar ll and smoked weed just yesterday - and finally swore to not touch it again. it makes me very paranoid (incresingly; at first it was fun to have these thoughts but lately and especially yesterday, i am not sure anymore what's real and what's not) and puts nasty thoughts in my head about other people. i'm afraid that i say nasty things to people and monitor very closely what i say. this makes me feel i'm not part of the group but lonely because i cannot behave as i usually would. i felt that my brain wanted to trick me into saying nasty things to see how i get out of it. these things became stronger each time i smoked. i think i destroyed (so i feel though it maybe feels harsher to me than it really is?!) a really good time with someone.
all in all, it makes me somewhat psychotic whereas i usually am not. i hate this feeling and very much regret to have smoked.
Thats cause u abused the use of smokin it. Ur not supposee to smoke alot! If ur trying to see if it helps ur Bipolar Disorder try a puff and thats it and so u get a tiny buzz. Just like prescribed drugs from doctorse the tell u to take a certain amount of dose not pop a whole lot of pills and overdose.
Exactly!. I was a "pothead" as a teenager. I have had my bouts of severe use and no use since then.
I was diagnosed last year and put on several different medications. I lost my insurance and was unable to continue seeing my Dr and take my medications. Because of that I have not been good for myself or anyone else. If I could have afforded to be hospitalized I would have been.
When my meds finally ran out I tried very low quanities of pot and it was amazing. I roll a joint that last me a week and I feel good. I am able to get out of bed, think clearly, and be productive and motivated. I also was less anxious, able to concentrate, and have not had a panic attack in months.
I do notice though if I do not smoke at least one toke a day I am very agitated. But I will take that side effect over liver failure, weight gain, etc...
I really wish that educated people could keep an open mind. When I was in college I took a "Critical Thinking" class as a requirement. The point of the class was to see all sides before making an informed decision. Obviously, these so called experts are not using this technique.
I think this should really be studied. I think there is healing properties that can be used for multiple purposes.
I am bipolar and I believe it calms mania and slows rapid thought. It calms the fear and anxiety that accompany each minite of each day with this disorder.
I hear about this all the time.
Honestly I am completely against the illegalization and criminalization of Marijuana. But my Bias aside I can tell you that many people I have know in my life who were manic, depressed or bipolar used marijuana regularly to help them "relax". Now I cannot speak for them cause I am not an "expert" per se. What I can tell you is that Marijuana use is condemned by authority figures. We all know that's true but we have no idea why they condemn it.
I am a social user myself so I can speak in terms of my experience with it all day and all night if I had to.
I have severe clinical depression and S.A.D. but when I smoke weed I feel better. When I take Zoloft I do not feel good at all. So many people say that weed is a "depressant" yet for me it works immeasurably better than my Zoloft. And a few friends of mine are the same way. My brother in law grows it because all these meds he's on don't work. When I use marijuana I do not abuse it. If I get high once a day I can feel pretty good all day. Just like if I take my zoloft once a day I can build it up in my system and feel better in the coming weeks.
Now then, it is an instant effect because spongey tissues absorb toxins much easier and your lungs are spongey and you smoke it. At least that is what I have grown to understand. Just like your liver absorbs alcohol because it is a toxin and your liver is the defender of your body against such toxins.
And the word "toxin" or "toxins" does not apply to something bad as much as it applies to something with an effect on your body that you can feel in this case.
Another thing I want to point out is that weed is not going to kill you unless you abuse it.
Does that sound familiar?
Well, it should because the same thing applies to all medicines or drugs. And at least I know where my weed came from. I don't where my Zoloft came from. So many pharmaceutical companies get sued every year for causing DEATH. That I am surprised they aren't called murderers. Yet not a single death directly linked to Marijuana overdose/regular use has been reported ever in the entire history of all of mankind and monkeys.
That's not to say weed is something you should take lightly. I will NEVER drive when drunk or high. Or do any risky task when high either. Because I know how to make judgement calls based on my situation.
Common sense saves lives, stupid people cause death because they were way too dumb to know that maybe if they're ripped off their asses they shouldn't go out and do something dangerous.
And just to clarify I am not saying everyone should smoke weed. I am saying that it is, in all certainty, at least a viable and NATURAL option for medication in my honest opinion. Do what you will but do not demonize an herb or plant that you have no experience with.
By the way my marijuana is grown locally in controlled expert conditions. And I, myself am a marijuana advocate. I make hash oils and edibles as well as smoke it. If you do not want to inhale the tar then you can always use edibles or synthetics such as a vaporizer. And if you do not mind smoking it but don't like the idea of inhaling tar then use a water pipe to filter it. It won't completely eliminate tar but, just like a cigarette fiberglass filter it will cut it down a bit. Only difference here is fiberglass is nasty dangerous stuff but water is just water :)
There are so many options for marijuana use that people don't even need to smoke it if they don't want to. And not smoking it completely destroys the possibility of lung damage therefore making marijuana very safe and reliable.
Be smart, have common sense, and make judgment only when judgment is needed.
And marijuana does not make stupid people. Never has never will. Marijuana has never effected MY ability to problem solve as much as my depression.
(the following is opinionated and satired to a certain degree):
Stupid people make stupid people and stupid people make bad decisions which is why they are breeding and making more stupid people to make more bad decisions.
Wow! After reading this thread and others it seems apparent I am a sufferer of hypomania. A functioning mania from what I gather. I thought I just had bad anxiety but every other symptom I have experience. To those who doubt weed is benificial to this just haven't experienced the anxiety or the relief from marijuana. Am I self medicating? Absolutely. Which is why I meter 1 gram a day, in 3 doses. I smoke alone and without it I can have a song in my head for a week, can think about a meaninless designs that don't work for weeks. Have been smoking since 1984. But proving those who doubt is not my message here. I starting 'vaporizing' 3 months ago and my lungs have cleared, throat no longer sore sometimes. I wish I would have figured this out earlier but I found out the ones that work only came out within the last 4 years. I used to cough daily and was out of breath. While it's more work and the unit is expensive, after you make the conversion you won't even be able to stomach smoking. Done right it's just as effective. Smoke was my only fear using so much, with that worry gone I no longer have that to worry about. Look into it sufferers!
Yes, I am bipolar, have depression, anxiety, and ptsd. I smoke marijuana every evening and it calms me, plus takes care of the pain of my arthiritis, and fibromayalgia.
I am bipolar, I have mostly manic symptoms ie:tremor, rapid speech, rapid thought, spastic leg syndrome, severe agitation, & impulsivity
I am 38 yrs old and have been using marijuana as my only medication. I was previously on tegretol, ativan and clonazepam, which worked....I have found also that marijuana controls all of these symptoms. I smoke approximatly a gram a day on the norm more when I am in an extended manic state. I know my symptoms well and when I start to fee
l myself falling into any kind of depression I stop using marijuana and take great care to ensure the tools I have developed tocombat that are easily accessible ie: drawing, guitar, reading, breathing techniques and of course the knowledge that this will eventually pass helps.
What I have found is that pot is much less expensive than the medications. Pot is also a natural herb, pills are man made and have many side affects. The long term use of pot in comparisson to the long term use of pills and the effects on my body make my decision to use pot easy. I am not saying that pills are completely out for me, if pot ever stopped working I would return to pills happily rather than be sick. As I would take insulin if I had diabetes...unless of course I could control it with diet.
All that I am saying is pot allows me to not look so outwardly crazy, I can hold a conversation and make a point that people now understand, I am not shaking like a crack addict in recovery and I have more time to focus on tools to help me cope with depressive symptoms rather than drag my lathargic butt out of bed after an evening of ativan.
I am for the use of pot for treatment of manic symptoms. I am not however for people staying up all night to get high. That is a subject of addiction, not medical use. For that matter, there is quite an addiction possibility to ativan and clonazepam as well.
Thanks for hearing me out
This thread perfectly illustrates America's ignorance when it comes to pharmaceuticals and marijuana.
John McManamy, the so called "Expert" wrote, "Look at the side effects: Loss of rational control of the brain, paranoia, appetite stimulation, sleep inducement, loss of reflexes, and on and on. Not even a drug company could come up with a med as stupid as pot."
Do you have any idea how ignorant and dangerous that comment is? Some poor Joe could read your "expert" status and swear to never use marijuana (a substance with no linked deaths in all of human history) and spend their days numbed and depersonalized by hazardous anti-depressants and other harmful meds that get pushed in this country like they are candy.
I would bet big money then, John, that you have never been sufficiently stoned on high grade cannabis. The spiritual/introspective revelations brought forth through cannabis can have long-lasting positive effects regardless of ones current neurological balance/imbalance. And beyond the revelations and insights from cannabis, many people with BP will attest that cannabis has an 'equilibrium' effect on their moods, allowing them to be happy and focused, without the 'numbing' properties of many prescriptions.
While I do agree that many potheads use BP as an excuse to get high, the majority of your advice is downright dangerous and misleading. You write with such certitude that your credibility is enhanced, but your advice is tragically misguided.
I feel an obiligation to stand up for what is right and what is true- and your advice neglects both.
I swing between Mania w/ irratibility, "hazardous hobbies, ie; gambling, poor life decisions, Depression, Agoraphobia.
My choice to use Medical mj was because my stress level decreased almost instantly. I felt as if my physical ailments had been put on "hold" for a while and I could finally shut my brain off. What a relief.
How much medical marijuana is being dispensed? I agree to more research needing to be done but as a former drug addict or recovering addict as we are supposed to call ourselves - I have over four years clean and sober - I started out by smoking pot as a teenager and it is called a "Gateway" drug for good reason. Also I now consider alcohol can be a "Gateway" drug as well. If you don't know what Gateway means it means upons the flood gates. It's okay to do one so I'll try another and believe me I tried them all. So I would appreciate it if you all be careful as to what you are recommending other people do.
I was addicted to clonazepam for a decade. Never stopped. Off and on with pot. Clonazepam was harder for me to quit. Dragged me out in the morning. Seroquel is worse for lethargy. You think puffin' weed makes one a couch potato. Try taking Seroquel AND clonazepam together(as I was instructed to do). Much worse. At least I laugh when I puff.
I have to agree that pot is a gateway drug, but only due to the means with which it needs to be acquired, when you have to buy it from a peddler on the street who is also sellling pills coke and harder drugs. It exposes you to drugs that you would not have to be xposed to if pot which has never had a recorded case of causing death, or overdose, or any physical long term effects to your body. It is also a gateway drug due to our family and school education pertaining to drugs. When a child is told their whole lives from every trustworthy source around them that pot is dangerous and causes hallucinations and can hurt you like crack and heroin, when it is put in the same box with those harder drugs. Then they try to smoke a joint and all of these terrifying things don't happen, then the next thing you know some friend is handing them a crack pipe and they think, if nothing happened that they said was gonna happen with pot, why should I be worried about this. I think we need to put our social ideas about pot aside and start to teach about its medicinal properties, as well as the reality of what it will do to you and the differences between pot and harder drugs. Lets face it, pot has been used for medicinal purposes since 1800 BC, it has only been illegal for 85 years. I think that the war against drugs is important, I think the war against pot is dangerous. I know that the effects of manmade drugs on your body can be tremendous. Why not use pot which is less harmful in the long term than perscription drugs that cause serious side effects if you can.
A health professional doing screening for a clinical trial of a new bipolar medication stated that a lot of people with bipolar smoke marijuana to help balance out their moods, specifically mania. It slows down the racing thoughts and allows for better functioning. From experience I can say that small amounts of mid-grade herb will help with that. But like with anything else, it takes moderation. "smoking up" all day, every day is not beneficial to the bi-polar person. But taking any prescribed medication more than necessary is not healthy either. Taken for medicinal purposes, it can help. In CA they prescribe it to people with bipolar to act as a mood stabilizer of sorts.
I agree with Annoyed.. i have grown to be afraid of psychiatrists they always made things worse for me since 5 years old yeah i have disorders that run on both sides of my family plus my dad did speed when my mom got pregnant with me and i have always been a basket case but the one thing that always worked to help me was weed. i got tired of doctors making the excuse well youre not on the right medication. in fifth grade my dad let doctors medicate me for adhd and i became suicidal and got beat up in class for being the weird kid falling asleep after taking crazy meds and id wake up very moody flailing around i was the kid that wanted to hurt everyone who made fun of me when before the meds i was always happy and when anyone picked on me i told them sorry youre having a bad day and i love you even if im your enemy. i used to love everyone and at dinner prayers i would pray even for the people who have hurt me beat me up and stuff like that. then i got suicidal on the pills and dillusional accused my family of things then got placed in an institution and half the things i said werent true but i got diagnosed bipolar and depression and anxiety and then put on like 7 different meds and then went to live with my mom and on those meds my mania was bad the only ones that calmed me were depakota and lamictal but they found those workded when i was 15 years old but it was hell i had bad sleep paralysis i would wake up unable to move and id fall asleep in mid sentence i was such a zombie nobody would talk to me who wants to talk to a wall then turned out the lemical gave me a rash inside my stomache and the doctors didnt tell me it was a main side effect so i went four months of throwing up my own bile and tearing up my throat and unable to eat even drink water i could barely hold down my pills and it caused brain damage i have the memory span of a five year old im very angry because i have to write everything down everything everyone tells me or its like the next time i talk to the person theyre a stranger even though they may have told me their life story do you have any clue how hard that is when im in a relationship no because the doctors dont care theyl just give another medication for more side affects till youre on nine different meds killing you placing you in the er. my memory is bad enoug with my adult adhd but they made it way worse here i am 18 years old i didnt graduate high school because after the incident with the lemictal i got so bad with my memory and focus from the damage id just break down and cry i got placed in special education i was so embarrased got made fun of by peope who wanted to be my friend but noticed i could never remember their name after a whole week and then theyd see me come out of the special class one day then make fun of me and not understand why i was there why would i want to tell them then when i was with someone who accepted me this way i loved him he was the love of my life we lived together i was 17 but i couldnt sleep and then i was forced to see the doctor i didt even want to i could sleep if i smoked weed but i had to quit because the doctor so then i went in and got mirtazapine and it changed my whole life my head hasnt been the same since it caused a huge schizophrenic breakdown ive never shown symptoms of it before in my life and i thought aliens and demons were torturing me and then my ex left me and i had a miscariage and blamed aliens then after that he never spoke to me again this was a year ago i stil hurt from it. i hate psychiatry. the doctor couldve prevented all this told me the sideeffects and didnt. i ran away thinking my mom was evil and working with the aliens i was hallucinating so bad and i was drifting place to place for 8 months but my schizo episode wore off after 6 months then i contacted my mom just filled with pain depressed alot of people had taken advantage of my weak minded state ill never discuss all the pain i went through and the memorys are horrible i wont even say everything but my family went through alot they thought my mind was gone forever and part of me knew it was all in my head but the other part of me just coudnt resgister it always made excuses and i thought i was chosen for the suffering and cursed to be alone the only thiing that made me better was completely going off meds after running away then just.. riding it out. everyday i wanted to die. id try to sleep and heard thing the sleep paralysis was bad. now im back home but my mom had moved from california to oregon i had to take a bus to oregon and run like hell from some people who took me in but mentally abused me and kept me in fear im still afriad of them. i wish i never ever went on meds. im not in denial i know i have bipolar im going through mania right now but the weed helps. i havent had any for a couple days though. i hate when ignorant people write about how weed is a stupid drug i mean really? have you ever gone through this shit obviously not.. i now have a phobia off any type of pills. all kinda. i rarely even take tylenol for headaches. pills freak me out. i couldnt bare to go back on meds and go through that hell again id just end everything. i was afraid of my own family. my head will never be right and the same again. but id rather learn to cope and just heal all the pain i went through and try and be content despite my troubles that are long term side effects. im just happy to have a wonderful boyfriend now who is patient and doesnt mind repeating himself and my dad i talk to him on the phone and i can hear it in his voice how worried he gets when i forget what he just said but hes patient and my mom still has pain from when i thought she was out to get me and i still get distant with her. im just thankful to god that i got myself back as much as i did and i learned my lesson ill never touch meds again id be throwing away my life.
PS do some research on how marijuana has evolved with our brains...
I have been struggling with depression since I was quite young. I was drawn to weed early as well.
I was recently put on lamictin and concerta. This has improved my quality of life considerably as well as allowing a peaceful focus which has calmed the demon within me. I feel like I have tamed it.
I have enjoyed a smoke almost every weekend for the past 7 odd years. My memory is still impecable, sure it would be better if I stopped but it serves well. Nothing beats it. So what if I want to escape. Young people are under exceeding pressure nowadays. I know this won't make my problems go away but if for a few hours I want to drift off on those clouds of joy then why hinder me.
In my opinion how can you have a plant that has grown out of our mother earth condemned. Damnation on those man made mutations. The chemicals, including alcohol, we often plug into ourselves is at times, well, chilling. I would outlaw alcohol in a minute and replace it with marijuana. The trick is to stop addictions and therefore those of weaker mind and soul destroying themselves and leaving only a trail of bones in their wake. Monitor their usage. Restrict them to only a gram or 2 a week. You don't need to smoke a lot rather during those time periods when you have earned it. A hard week's work. Celebrating with friends etc. not just for the sake of it. When you stop getting high, that's when you stop smoking weed. You have crossed the line.
Any way, hope I speak to the logic in all of you...
I have been smoking marijuana daily for 10 years, since I was in grade 9 of high chool. I never thought of it as anything harmful,
My husband has recently been diagnosed as BPII. But we thought it was depression for 10 years. He's been on pot for almost all of those, and I'll tell you, it's not working. He's very angry, volatile, rages, scary! He says the pot is working, well guess what, if it was working, he wouldn't be so darn scary and out of control! And now I'm ready to leave because I can't live like this, and he's telling me he feels like dying and that he doesn't want to live. Does someone really want to tell me that the pot is working?! He's definitely been in a manic stage, texting me constantly angry texts, emailing constantly. Out of control! And this has been on marijuana the whole time and lately because he's so depressed and so manic, alcohol too. His psychiatrist told him he needs to stop medicating and wants to put him on a mood stabilizer and he refuses and refuses to stop the pot and alcohol. So I don't care what someone says is working. Maybe it works for some of the people on here. But I know if my BPH was on here, he'd say it's working for him too. But he's losing his wife and son. So tell me, is that working? I don't think so.
I would say the symtoms you described are related to the alcohol abuse and not Marijuana. None of the things you described are ever mentioned as side effects of cannabis consumtion.
I'm a patient myself and a long time activist in the MMJ movement. No one ever said Marijuana is a cure all. No one said it works for everyone. No one is trying to make anyone use marijuana that does not want to. What we do want is for people to be able to make their own decisions about how to best treat and cope with the problems they suffer from. I am personally sickened by the sheer arrogance that some in the medical community have shown in regards to this
topic. The excuse that little research has been done is a fallacy. There have been many studies done world wide that show concrete evidence of the medicinal benefits of this plant. Here 's one from one our own Governments Websites! http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/cannabis/healthprofessional/page4
I feel your pain. Do what you have to do. That is what I tell my wife. She bears the cross with the rest of the family when I'm off. Been diagnosed BPII for three years. Recently I got it in my head that I wasn't BP. Went off the medication. I crashed. Got back on the mood stabilizer and its much better. I think that is your key. It has nothing to do with the MJ. That alone won't cure BP. I've tried.
90% of BP marriages end in divorce. That number goes way way down with medication.
I've smoked with and without the medication. I haven't given up smoking with it as it does still help. But I couldn't imagine life without the mood stabilizer.
I'm glad you're back on the meds. That's one thing a BP cannot go off! I'm glad my husband has finally learned this. If MJ works for some, I guess it does. Everyone is different. My husband has been sober over a year now and he's never been more calm.
My friend who is an acupuncturist told us that the MJ works horribly on the system for anxiety and over time will actually work opposite of what one is using it for. And that's what we saw. So she put my husband on natural herbs that are sort of like a natural valium of sorts. Just does enough to calm his anxiety, along with his medication. Kept him from having to take the cocktail of meds that most BP's end up taking.
So I guess whatever works for a BP is what you can do. I know my husband being sober works for him and us. So I'm glad we found that out.
Yeah, exactly! I have talked to other people's who's loved ones are bi-polar and self medicating on marijuana and the family members are saying it doesn't work for them either. I can't speak for everyone on here, because some swear it works. But it really makes me wonder if the user thinks it works when the others on the outside can see it doesn't. Your situation sounded so much like my husband's. It sounds really hard what you're going through. I'm not sure I could handle that much anger. Even with my husband sober, his moods can still flair up, but nothing compared to what it used to be, and even this little is hard on me. There's no way I could handle more. But maybe we all get what we can handle. Good luck for sure! Anyone of us who goes through this deserves to be given kudos. It's not an easy road for the BP person or the partners.
I am interested in hearing from more family members and seeing what they say about marijuana use. My step mother is a psych nurse and she said bipolar and marijuana do not mix. She said its different than if you and I use it. What made your husband quit and does he see the difference in the way he feels? How long did he use for and did he suffer from withdraw symptoms. I dont think the BF can quit on his own. I think he needs a rehab program in a hospital. I worry all the time about him. He talks about not wanting to live on a daily basis and his ups and downs are so severe. I am afraid of him when he is in a rage because of his violent past of fighting when he was in his teens and 20's. And out of curiosity what kinds of medication is your husband on? Or if there is anyone out there that is on some medication combo that is helpful for someone who is in a constant mixed state of bipolar depression, feel free to answer. I am so desperate to help him but unfortunately it is very difficult to help someone that doesnt want to help himself. He has such anxiety that he can not function doing the basic things in life like running to the store or making coffee at times.
I've been meaning to write you. I wanted to find my husband's meds to suggest to you what he is on. He seems to be taking 150 mg of but he also takes natural meds by Apex Energenics. One is Serotone and I didn't see the other one. I know he's on two. And they are natural types of valium, from what I've heard. It helps with his anxiety and depression. But my friend who's an acupuncturist got him on it. So not sure you should just have your boyfriend take them without someone monitoring him.
I know you love your boyfriend. I get it. But truthfully, it's not your problem to get him well. And actually the only thing that really got my husband well, was when I was ready to walk away and leave the marriage. When I finally stopped letting him rage and started standing up for myself and telling him that his behavior was unacceptable, that was when he was finally ready to get well. I got tired of living in a life where I didn't know who I was married to, and having this person treat me the way he was treating me with such little disrespect and love, that no matter how much I loved him, if he couldn't treat me better, I was out of there. And I had seen two lawyers and was on my third, and that's when he realized he was losing me and then promised to do everything I asked. And one of them was getting sober, no alcohol and no pot. A person with BP, at least one who rages, has no business on any mind altering drugs of any kind. It affected his meds and made his rages worse. Sure, when he's using maybe it calmed him down, but the if the rage was there, then that meant it wasn't working. And now he's 98% better being sober. We've never been happier. Yes, we have our moments when things aren't rosy. But I think now we have more "normal" marital problems. And I'll welcome those any day over the drama and moods he used to have and inflict on me. We're actually happy now and have a peaceful home. I hope you can find the strength to stand up for yourself someday and only allow to be treated with love. You deserve it. We all do!
Oh weird, the medication didn't show up. It's Lamotrigine. 150 mg of that.
Totally agree! I recently broke up with my boyfriend of 2 years. He is Bipolar and a marijuana addict. He has tried some medications without much luck. He says the only thing that helps him is his weed. He does have a kind heart inside but it's hard to see through the rages and depression. When he is without his MJ he is a complete dysfunctional basken case. It is clear to me that he is a drug addict and also bipolar. I feel that he can only get appropriate help if he gets clean and on the right medication. I dont want to judge anyone elses situation, and if it works for you that's great. Ask others around you if it's working, they may have a completely different view.
Yes I have Bipolar 2 and am on Sodium Valporate for it. I have been diagnosed for just over 6 months. My side effects from the Valporoid were loss of appetite, increasing paranoia and depressed days. I have been smoking the whole way through my diagnosis and treatment, but the last month have reduced to just a little bit every day. My weight has slowly started to come up, and I have had reduced bad mood swings. I now see it as a stabilizer, if viewed as a medicine.
Hope this helps
Oh wow, after being prescribed medical marijuana for my mania, not only did it make me paranoid, but I went into a very dangerous and scary psychosis that left me in the hospital for a month! I am still recovering. I had used marijuana in the past and it did the same thing but I didn't want to admit it was the drug, but it really isn't work all the damage it could cause, it really messes with your mind.