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Cancer Vixen Health Guide March 04, 2009
  • Over the weekend, a woman at the young survivors conference (the 9th Annual Conference for Young Women Affected by Breast Cancer) asked an oncologist from Dana Farber about soy. His response was that you'd have to eat "a ton" of it for the soy to have an effect on your cancer. Gee, thanks for the...

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  • Phyllis Johnson
    Health Guide
    Mar. 04, 2009

    I've read the same information:  People with Estrogen Receptor positive shouldn't take estrogen supplements or eat large amounts of soy, flaxseed or other estrogen-rich foods.  I'm ER neg, but my oncologist wanted me to avoid soy too.  I don't understand the scientific basis of her suggestion, but I think she was concerned about the possibility...

    RHMLucky777

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    I've read the same information:  People with Estrogen Receptor positive shouldn't take estrogen supplements or eat large amounts of soy, flaxseed or other estrogen-rich foods.  I'm ER neg, but my oncologist wanted me to avoid soy too.  I don't understand the scientific basis of her suggestion, but I think she was concerned about the possibility of a new primary that could turn out to be ER pos.  So I'm with you--no soy for me.  As far as I can tell the basis for the theory that soy prevents breast cancer is that women in Japan and other countries who eat a lot of soy have a lower breast cancer rate.  It might well be that if North American women adopted the total low fat, high veggie diet of Asian women, our cancer rate would go down too.  But in practice, few people would actually do that.  We are more likely to continue our regular diet and then try to pop an estrogen supplement.

    • Cancer Vixen
      Health Guide
      Mar. 05, 2009

      Hi Phyllis!

      OK, I eat FLAX EVERYDAY - I HAD NO IDEA ABOUT THAT!!!!!!
      Thank you for the heads up!!!
      MY GOD!!!!!!!!

      XO

      Marisa

    • Jan
      Jan
      Mar. 17, 2009

      I bought a bunch of flaxseed pills a while back on the advice of my optometrist, as flax is supposed to help relieve dry-eye syndrome (omega-3 boost).  But when I read that flax was contra-indicated for people who had ER+ breast cancer, I quickly ditched the pills and just take fish-oil supplements for my omega-3 fix.  Better safe than sorry. ...

      RHMLucky777

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      I bought a bunch of flaxseed pills a while back on the advice of my optometrist, as flax is supposed to help relieve dry-eye syndrome (omega-3 boost).  But when I read that flax was contra-indicated for people who had ER+ breast cancer, I quickly ditched the pills and just take fish-oil supplements for my omega-3 fix.  Better safe than sorry.  Bonna notte/ciao to flax.  XO, Jan

    • Cancer Vixen
      Health Guide
      Mar. 17, 2009

      ciao bella jan. i agree. ciao to flax! who knew?

  • Anonymous
    Julia
    Apr. 14, 2009

    Women in Japan rarely get B.C. They eat tons of soy and no dairy. I happened to start eating even healthier then I already did while trying to get pregnant and then during the joy I experienced while breast feeding. At 36 I was diagnosed with breast cancer less then five months after weaning my daughter of breast feeding, and during that time I ate healthy...

    RHMLucky777

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    Women in Japan rarely get B.C. They eat tons of soy and no dairy. I happened to start eating even healthier then I already did while trying to get pregnant and then during the joy I experienced while breast feeding. At 36 I was diagnosed with breast cancer less then five months after weaning my daughter of breast feeding, and during that time I ate healthy soy rich foods in lieu of nasty red meats and mercury laden fish, and lots dairy.
    Here is what I know about soy now. I don't eat any U.S. grown soy products for several reasons: Most are genetically altered unless labeled otherwise (NGMO). Soy has been pushed on us as a healthy means to get good healthy vegetable fats - true - but get this, the fat is where harmful pesticides & hormones are stored, and soy has a lot of fat. (Why do you think soy bean oil is so cheap?) Crops & animals that come in contact with stuff like pesticides & fertilizers known to have carcinogenic properties, hormones, and junk that is in the runoff water that gets into our crops - like all that atrazine that's in our water because we must have bright green lawns and bright green weed free golf courses - it's stored in the fats of food, not just soy, but other vegetables and especially in dairy and in meats because animals eat feed that may be soy meal, corn meal, or they may be injected with hormones to make bigger juicier steaks and giant chickens. So what do I do, I still have an occasional steak - 'cause it just tastes so good. But I try to buy all organic. It costs more and it shouldn't. We should not have to pay extra for safer food. Call your congressmen and find out what the Dept. of Agriculture and FDA are doing to protect us. Not one, two organizations we pay to keep our food safe - but I have to pay extra for organic! Can you tell I'm angry right now? I've been the happy positive face of the cancer victim - but today I am angry - I am angry because I look like a cue ball, my 2 year old daughter cries and says where's your hair mommy - even though it's been gone for 6 months. I stopped wearing the long blond wig that resembled my previous locks (which I donated before they fell out). But my daughter has twisted and tangled that wig into a very expensive scouring pad. But that's OK because I am that strong, confident women who proudly began displaying her new look - joking that everyone will want to wear their hair this way this spring..... Well today I'm angry and that's ok. And I'm jealous. I am jealous of other cancer survivors - isn't that pathetic! I'm jealous because one complained today about having dust in the house because she is getting new granite countertops for her kitchen - but it's ok said the writer - because I survived cancer! I have two small children, a house that's falling apart, a mother who constantly reminds me how bad it is - but I can't complain because I desperately need her help because I just had my reconstruction surgery and I am in pain and can't lift anything and need her help with the kids! I'm done.
    Cancer is different for everybody - truly there are no two cases alike - they may look similar - but after going down the road I did not choose - so I am running down this road and desperately trying to get to the end of it and I am losing steam and my positive side (even though chemo is over) I thought I would see the light, feel the weight lifted - and I'm more sad - because I don't see the blooms on the thorny rose bush - yet.... Thanks for letting me anonymously talk to someone. I know this is about soy, but it carries into everything in your life - just like soy - you can't get away from it - it's in chocolate bars, it's a cheap emulsifier in so many processed foods. There is no way we can get away from soy anymore then I can get completely away from cancer - or is there - maybe if enough of us start yelling about the known causes of cancer we can one day be totally free of what causes this new anger inducing, enemy of life - (Oh and by yelling I mean proactively contacting people with the power to make a difference). I hope I may have reached one today. With peace, Julia

     

    • Cancer Vixen
      Health Guide
      Apr. 17, 2009

      Wow. I fully understand your rage.

      The thing that helped me the most was writing down my feelings - it got the 

      situation off me. (I wrote about it here in a post: Get it off your breast/chest girls, write! Write! Write!)

      Another thing that helped me was helping raise money for a cure and volunteering. 

      I chose the Breast Cancer Research Foundation....

      RHMLucky777

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      Wow. I fully understand your rage.

      The thing that helped me the most was writing down my feelings - it got the 

      situation off me. (I wrote about it here in a post: Get it off your breast/chest girls, write! Write! Write!)

      Another thing that helped me was helping raise money for a cure and volunteering. 

      I chose the Breast Cancer Research Foundation. Komen is great too.

      Dr Larry Norton tells me a cure is imminent, so take heart

      But b.c. DOES suck.

       

      The incidence of breast cancer is rising in Japan, and I believe it's because the are now following a more western diet.

       

      Take care and take care of yourself,

       

      Marisa

    • Anonymous
      Julia
      Apr. 17, 2009

      Thank you so much for taking the time to write. It means so much that some one read what I wrote - even though it was a rant!  I do want to do something positive with the rage that creeps into my day, sabatoging my good intentions - but it's getting better.  I do want to do somethting.  I've been wondering with so many women willing to share...

      RHMLucky777

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      Thank you so much for taking the time to write. It means so much that some one read what I wrote - even though it was a rant!  I do want to do something positive with the rage that creeps into my day, sabatoging my good intentions - but it's getting better.  I do want to do somethting.  I've been wondering with so many women willing to share their story - in order to help others -  if some how we can make a big data base where women, like me who want to share, and want some good to come out of the crazieness of chemo etc. can log data from our experiences.  I'm not strong enough yet, and I have two small children - and I don't want to miss a minute with them!  But I want to create a database.  You see I was shocked with my first oncologist and his outright display of negativity in getting funding for such reseach.  I think b/c so many of us our young, pc savy, bright etc.  we can make it happen and we will find a way to prevent breast cancer.  I know we will! Sharing our experience is a valuable arsenal that we can use in this fight.  I'm still thinking how we can get a web site up, keep it simple to use and how to keep the integrity of the data validated. Hmmm. I better get to bed!  I have so many ideas in my head.  But - I do hope - by next year I can get this started.  Thanks again for listening!!! My best to you.  You too - keep writing! I can;t imangine getting through this if it wasn't for the girls who shared their experiences with me.

      Love,

      Julia

    • Cancer Vixen
      Health Guide
      May. 19, 2009

      Hi Julia!

      I was cleaning up my desktop (a huge task in itself!) and found that you responded to my response. And you're right - we've got to do something to block that rage - hard for me still. But I think the thing to do is do something positive. You're on the right track - I love the idea of a database.

      Love,

      Marisa