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By sherreeb Wednesday, July 30, 2008

I had a patient who had mastectomy yesterday and the frozen section of the sentinel node showed no cancer.  However, once pathology had the tissue, further review showed positive nodes.  While this is not an everyday occurence, it does happen.  Positive lymph nodes typically ensure that you will undergo chemotherapy and potentially traditional radiation as well.  However, it is NOT an automatic death sentence.  I survived chemotherapy, herceptin and radiation and you can too!  Again, information and knowledge = power.  Managing side effects is a major issue as well so again, ask lots of questions and make sure that your needs are being met and questions being answered.  Cancer centers that have chemotherapy clinics are usually very well versed in treating the side effects. 

 

A lymph node dissection versus a sentinal lymph node biopsy does put you at more risk for lymphedema.  it is important to be aware of that risk and protect your arm for the rest of your life.  Lymphedema occurs not due to mastectomy but due to lymph node dissection.  About 40% of women have lymphedema as a side effect of the surgery.  My sister and I both had the same surgery, chemo and radiation.  I have lymphedema and she does not.  The lymph system sits basically on top of the vascular system.  It acts much like a sewage system cleaning out bacteria, viruses, cancer cells and other waste from the body.  When enough nodes are removed from the under arm (axilla), there is a possibility that lymph fluid will "back up" in the arm.  This condition is called lymphedema.  It is manageable by manual lymph drainage (light massage) and compression garments.  However, prevention is the best medicine!  Anything that can cause swelling or inflamation can cause lymph edema.  Thus, protect your arm/hands with gloves when gardening or working with tools. Protect your arm from sunburn or other burns.  Exercise is not harmful, just avoid inflaming the muscle.  In other words, when working with weights etc, start very low and work up very, very gradually so as not to stress and thus inflame the muscle. 

 

With sentinal lymph node biopsy, we are seeing some lymphedema in the breast.  This seems to be self correcting.  However, if it does not, as for a referral to a lymphedema center or therapist.  Saving your life and beating the cancer is the most important thing, lymphedema is not life threatening.  It is just a nuisance and can be treated so keep it and the risk of it in perspective. 

 

Remember, life is worth fighting for!!

 

Sherree

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Phyllis Johnson, Health Guide
8/ 2/08 6:27am

Thank you, Sheree, for your encouraging words to people who have positive lymph nodes.  The day my doctor told me that I had 16 positive lymph nodes was the worst day in my cancer journey.  I did think that many positive nodes meant I would not get well and was staring an early death in the face.  Fortunately, I eventually got up enough nerve to ask my doctor if I could get well despite the bad path report.  He assured me that I could; he revised my treatment plan, and ten years later, I'm still here and still doing fine.

8/ 3/08 5:30pm

Congratulations on ten years!  That is really awesome!

8/ 2/08 8:24am

Hi Sherree

 

I had an experience similar to your patient's.  I was originally diagnosed as node-negative.  However, one of the members of my oncology team asked the lab to take a second look, and they reported one positive node.  Needless to say, I was not thrilled with this news.  But it did help me make the decision to have chemotherapy, which I'd been resisting.

 

By the way, I had 27 nodes removed and have never had a problem with lymphoedema.

 

Cheers,

Andrea

8/ 3/08 5:31pm

Only about 40% of women have a lymph node dissection have lymphedema, however, it can onset at anytime in your life so remember to protect your arm for the rest of your life.  Congratulations on your survival!

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deborh Brockman
4/23/11 10:02pm

I wanted to use the shake weight but am afraid of swelling.  I have not had any problems with edema so far (had a double mastectomy due to bi-lateral cancer from the mutated gene).  It has been 4 years and I have had all the traditional chemo/radiation and reconstruction.  I guess I want to know if Shake Weights are OK for me?

PJ Hamel, Health Guide
4/24/11 6:19am

Just take it easy at first, Deborah. Don't do the entire workout at full speed the first time out. As you gradually get used to it, your arms will build up strength. The goal is not to "shock" your arms with too much, too fast; and never work to exhaustion (where your arms are weak, sore, and shaky), when lymphedema is a possibility. Good for you, for exercising and staying in shape - PJH

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By sherreeb— Last Modified: 10/26/11, First Published: 07/30/08