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Q: Radiation Side Affects? Confused and don't know what to do.

I just had a mastectomy following chemo and now they are recommending radiaiton. At first they told me no radiation if I did the mastectomy, now they have changed their minds, and yet there really is no new information to support the change. I don't want to put my body through more treatments if not absolutely necessary. Tumor was 4.7, with 2 positive nodes, margins were clear but close to the skin in one area 1mm. I had breast cancer 20 years ago with mastectomy, chemo - no radiation. This is a new cancer. I am suffering now with severe Neurophathy in my feet and some in my hands from recent chemo and am scared the radiation might make this worse or I will get other side affects that are as bad. Met with Radiologist today and she said the only side affects are sun burn, fatique and potential tightening of the skin area around my expander/implant. She said technology has improved so much, no worries about lungs, heart and really no other side affects, yet I read online about so many problems people have. I am confused and don't know what to do. She gave me no real stats to go by either.
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PJ Hamel, Health Guide
3/23/11 5:59am

Nettie, do you have a new implant, as a result of your most recent mastectomy? Because to me, that would be the major concern; radiation can definitely cause issues with an implant, shrinking the tissue around it and making it painful, as well as pushing it out of place and forcing further surgery to correct the tightness.

 

Ask them why they didn't recommend radiation, and now they do. What happened during your surgery/chemo that changed their minds? Perhaps they felt that your tumor was close enough to the chest wall that radiation was advised? Being close to the skin wouldn't seem to matter, since they removed your entire breast anyway.

 

What the nurse says is true - radiation has come a long way, and there's no longer the significant risk of damage to heart and lungs. And yes, "sunburn" and fatigue are possibilities, along with the aforementioned tightening. It won't worsen your neuropathy.

 

Nail them down about how much radiation will reduce your risk of recurrence; get them to give you absolute, not relative, statistics. Like, your chance of recurrence without radiaiton is 10%; with radiation, it's 8% (I'm making this up). Then, it's up to you whether that 2% is worth the possibility of side effects.

 

I wish you well- PJH

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3/23/11 6:25pm

Hi PJH -  Yes I have a new expander and they admit it may cause some problems.    Overall they made radiation sound like a piece of cake, but as a previous breast cancer survivor I know that the long term and late term affects can often be the worse than the immediate side affects and they are not often talked about.  

 

Originally the oncologist and surgeon both said no radiation if I do the mastectomy.  The Radiologist said they probably just didn't really think much about it at the time and now that the Radiologist has reviewed my file, she is convince I should do it, however, there really is no new information except -   I  had 2 positive nodes after chemo which they suspected prior but thought the chemo would have wiped them out and that the path reports were not conclusive about the original size of the tumor.  This was the first time I hear about this.  Doing chemo prior to surgery is new, so they don't have many stats on this process.  As a result, I feel like they are guessing. The Radiologist said she had not reviewed my file until recently and therefore was not part of this original decision that said no radiation.   She apologized for the mis-understanding, but that was of little comfort to me at this point.     I am 52 and since I had breast cancer originally at 32 with Mastectomy and Chemo and now again (new cancer - not a re-occurance) that say they want to "throw the book at me" just to be sure it doesn't come back.  The Radiologist suggested that while the Path reports all indicated that it was less than 5cm (MRI, Pet and Ultra Sound), stage 2, that there was some language in the Path report suggests some uncertaintly about the exact size of the tumor and that it might have been larger than 5cm.  Is it true that both tests could be wrong?  She also suggested at one point in our meeting, that it might have been a stage 3, but then said I am not saying it is/was a stage 3 though but initially we thought perhaps it was.  How confusing is this?  Overall I felt like they just were not sure and walked away more confused than when I walked in. Both my husband and I specifically asked the Radiologist about the stats of re-occurance and she only reference some large study that was done indicating overall that women that did radiation had fewer re-occurances and a better survivial rate.  She admitted that the percent was low but that I should not gamble with my life.  BTW my cancer is Lobular and Triple Negative, which I understand is more rare and less is known about it, so I beleive that may play a role in some of this uncertainty.  She said that Radiation is a customary form of treatment, everyone is doing it and basically did not understand my hesitation.  She said that any local re-occurance opens up the chance of the cancer spreading to other parts of my body and that it is not a chance I should take.   She also recommended genetic testing which I will be doing.

 

Thanks for your the suggestion and for listening, I do think I will ask for the absolute stats.  Asking and seeking a second medical opinion seems exhausting at this point so I am a not sure if I will do that.  Thanks so much - nettie  

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PJ Hamel, Health Guide
3/23/11 6:52pm

Nettie, it sounds like you haven't had very good treatment - they sound quite confused, frankly. Wondering why they can't tell how large the tumor was - surely they inspected it for the pathology report, and the information should be in the report. Tumor size can make the difference between stage 2 and stage 3 - so maybe that's why they can't decide on that, either.

 

At any rate, as I said, the chief concern is probably the implant. I really wouldn't worry that much about other side effects; I've never heard of lasting side effects from radiation, beyond perhaps a bit of skin discoloration. And, they're probably right - your recurrence rate would definitely be less with radiation. 

 

So, what to do? If you can summon the energy, I'd highly recommend a second opinion at a Comprehensive Cancer Center - given all the confusion around your diagnosis, plus the diagnosis itself (triple negative). Comprehensive Cancer Centers are designated by the government as top in class, and women who access them for treatment do tend to have better outcomes. Best of luck to you - PJH

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3/24/11 3:32pm

Thanks PJ - I agree a second opinion is in order.  I have been following your site for a few months now and reading comments from you and others and have found this site to be one of the best overall in helping people digest information, share experiences and yes, perhaps vent a bit. Thanks!  Nettie

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PJ Hamel, Health Guide
3/24/11 3:50pm

Nettie, I'm so glad we can help you, in any small way possible. Thanks for staying in touch - PJH

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By Nettie— Last Modified: 03/24/11, First Published: 03/22/11