I was taking both in 2004, probably for several years and in three days lost all strength in my hands, followed by joint and muscle problems diagnosed by many as statin poisening (from a chiropractor) arthritis (in spite of negative tests) Lyme disease (which I may have had or still have as well) and a bunch of other stuff. At the time I was told it was unlikely the statins were my problem since problems were "rare". Over Christmas, by MD brother in law said the "problems" were on the order of 5% and if that's rare, i have a monkey for a nephew. I have had a lot of liver detox of various sources but never a diagnosis of liver or kidney damage. I would never take either again. Darkfield5000@sbcglobal.net