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Saturday, April 21, 2012 dontbeanasshole asks

Q: Cholesterol too low?

About 10 years ago @ age of 22 I had my cholesterol tested and it was normal/good with a total of 150. I don't remember the other numbers but they all were good. I began a plant-based whole food lifestyle about 2 months ago. I have a couple genetic mutations which predispose me to blood clots. As I researched blood clotting I found that having an acidic body encourages more clotting. (I have had one DVT from an IV during an emergency c-section a little over a year ago. I had risk factors that encouraged the clotting as well including, recent pregnancy, and surgery.) Anyway, I chose to remove all animal products as they can cause inflammation and animal protein can lower the body's ph. So I did that. I just had my cholesterol checked this week and my numbers are remarkable. Total cholesterol 94, LDL 58, HDL 31, Triglycerides 25. My question is this. I know that HDL should be above 40. However, all my ratios are excellent. Should I really worry about that # or is that too narrow a view of my health? I eat a wide variety of fruits and vegetables as well as nuts and seeds. I occasionally have avocados as well as daily eating 2T ground flax on my cereal.  My ratios are optimal, just that one number is scary to me!

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4/21/12 12:29pm

Hi Plantbasedwholefood,

 

Here's a link you may want to review:

 

Too Low Cholesterol

Can Cholesterol Be Too Low?

 

All the best,

Lisa Nelson RD

How to Lower Cholesterol in 8 Simple Steps

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4/21/12 12:50pm

I appreciate your response, however I don't really see how your articles are relevant to helping me. Your first article goes on about the risks involved with having too low of cholesterol. I am aware of my levels, my doctor was not concerned, in fact he told me he wished all his patients were like me. The body makes all the cholesterol it needs in the liver.  As far as I know, my liver is just fine.  My numbers were not lowered by statins, I earned them through nutritive eating. There is a big difference. I want to raise my HDL. You gave no insight into how I might do that.  The second link you posted doesn't even work anymore, and the few lines I can read mention lowering cholesterol with statins and how risky that is.  Again, I haven't used medication.  The third link you posted after your name is how to lower cholesterol.  Again, I really don't think I should lower it further.  If you have any insight as far as raising my HDL levels I would appreciate it.  Thanks.

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4/21/12 12:55pm

Yes, here is information on increasing HDL:

 

Tips to Raise HDL Cholesterol

 

All the best,

Lisa Nelson RD

How to Lower Cholesterol in 8 Simple Steps

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4/22/12 11:30am

Vegetarians and vegans tend to consume much less carnitine in the diet, since it is found primarily in animal products. Plant-based diets also tend to be higher in fiber. Fiber helps to reduce cholesterol by binding it in the gastrointestinal tract and promoting its excretion with bile. Choosing a vegetarian lifestyle is beneficial overall if you are trying to lower your cholesterol, as long as you are sure to get the essential amino acids you need to make carnitine. Vegetarians are an example of how consuming a low carnitine diet can still result in low cholesterol levels, if you are eating enough fiber

Read more: http://www.livestrong.com/article/534933-does-carnitine-deficiency-cause-low-cholesterol/#ixzz1smbdlHHx

 

 

your new diet will not serve you well...it is based on bad science and lies.

 

if you are worried about inflamitories in meats then stay away from all BUT grass fed or wild caught animal products. It is the 20 to 1 omega 6 (inflamitory) to omega 3 (anti-inflamitory) in grain or corn fed animals that is hurting all of us. T he 1 to 1 raito in natural meats is what we evolved eating.

 

 

 

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4/22/12 12:54pm

As I posted, my primary goal is to reduce inflammation and increase my blood ph.  As stated in the link you supplied, carnitine is a conditionally essential nutrient in that it is supplied by your body. And can be found in many other foods than meat. "Sources
Since carnitine can be synthesized in your body, it is considered a conditionally essential nutrient. Carnitine can be found in a variety of foods, including many fruits, vegetables, whole grains, milk, lean meats, poultry, fish, beans, eggs and nuts."

 

Also, from another article I researched (as I was concerned):

Types

A variety of foods contain L-carnitine, including meat, dairy products, legumes and vegetables. Red meat (beef) contains the highest concentration of L-carnitine. Unfortunately, since meat is treated with hormones and other additives, other foods are better sources of the amino acid. Nuts, fruits, cereals, pumpkin, sesame and sunflower seeds and greens such asparagus and broccoli all contain L-carnitine.

Significance

Although it is an important source for metabolizing fat, there are mixed results in studies regarding the L-carnitine's effectiveness in weight loss. There does seem to be consensus that L-carnitine is harmless. It is rare that people, even those who eat no meat or dairy, experience L-carnitine deficiencies. In the rare occurrence of L-carnitine deficiency, problems relate to genetic disorders. A healthy body does not require any more of the amino acid than normally produced.

 

Read more: What Foods Contain L-Carnitine? | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/about_4740137_what-foods-contain-lcarnitine.html#ixzz1smvZc9oh

 

As I haven't been diagnosed with such a problem, I am hesitant to believe that is the cause of my low HDL.  I also find no mention of l-carnitine levels and their effect on cholesterol levels.  I guess I don't know where you were going with your comment!  I AM concerned about inflammation, AND my blood pH.  More concerned with the pH than inflammation.  As you can see, I really have no interest in lowering my cholesterol further than it already has.  Also, I would like to know your credentials which give you the ability to make such claims about the "bad science and lies"  behind my new diet.  I have sought advice from doctors, nutritionists, holistic doctors, and all have told me I am doing the right thing.  On another note, which may be contributing to my low hdl.  I just realized I had my mirena removed about a month ago.  It has been shown that progestins lower hdl.  I guess it is possible that the effects of the progesterone in the iud may still be present.  It is likely if I just continue on my current path, my levels will come up.  At any rate, thanks for your input.

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4/23/12 2:50pm

Chuckle,

 

You clearly KNOW all the answers....I mean you got them from THE experts, chuckle.

 

What you haven't done, clearly, is seek out and listen to any opposing science backed views.  I'll leave it to you but there are MANY debunks to the china study and every other study purporting to support your views on diet. 

 

Before forming any opinions based on contraversial "science" from "EXPERTS" maybe you should think about the following writtrn a couple hundred years ago and seems even more relavent today:

 

"The greater part of mankind are naturally apt to be affirmative and dogmatical in their opinions; and while they see objects only on one side, and have no idea of any counterpoising argument, they throw themselves precipitately into the principles, to which they are inclined; nor have they any indulgence for those who entertain opposite sentiments. To hesitate or balance perplexes their understanding, checks their passion, and suspends their action. They are, therefore, impatient till they escape from a state, which to them is so uneasy: and they think, that they could never remove themselves far enough from it, by the violence of their affirmations and obstinacy of their belief. But could such dogmatical reasoners become sensible of the strange infirmities of human understanding, even in its most perfect state, and when most accurate and cautious in its determinations; such a reflection would naturally inspire them with more modesty and reserve, and diminish their fond opinion of themselves, and their prejudice against antagonists. The illiterate may reflect on the disposition of the learned, who, amidst all the advantages of study and reflection, are commonly still diffident in their determinations: and if any of the learned be inclined, from their natural temper, to haughtiness and obstinacy, a small tincture of Pyrrhonism might abate their pride, by showing them, that the few advantages, which they may have attained over their fellows, are but inconsiderable, if compared with the universal perplexity and confusion, which is inherent in human nature. In general, there is a degree of doubt, and caution, and modesty, which, in all kinds of scrutiny and decision, ought for ever to accompany a just reasoner."

 

 

You might loook at the world health orginazations data on average serum cholesterol and deaths due to heart disease and all cause deaths.    You can see those here on page two:

 

http://www.spacedoc.com/obesity_cholesterol_death_rates?utm_source=February+7%2C+2012&utm_campaign=Obesity%2C+cholesterol%2C+death+rates&utm_medium=email

 

 

chuckle,

 

good luck with that low cholesterol!!

 

 

David

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4/28/12 8:35am

Summary of effective ways to raise HDL (all clinically proven)

  1. Aerobic exercise: At least 20 minutes at a time of walking, running, biking, swimming, or a cardio machine. 
  2. Lose fat, especially if you have a large waist.
  3. Stop smoking.  It is known that smoking decreases HDL.  Stopping will raise it.
  4. Cut out trans fat.  
  5. Increase monounsaturated fats: olive oil, avocados, and certain nuts.
  6. Increase soluble fiber: oats, apples, and legumes, for example.
  7. Increase omega-3 fats: cod liver oil, krill oil, salmon, and flax seed.
  8. Niacin: supplementation shown effective.  

Anastasia Chopelas

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By dontbeanasshole— Last Modified: 04/28/12, First Published: 04/21/12