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By Grateful Tuesday, February 24, 2009

I'm sorry, but this article infuriated me. Are we moving backwards? I am in chronic pain, can't get a pain doctor to deal with it because guess what?? At least in Michigan (U of M especially), pain managment as a course in college is an ELECTIVE for "doctors to be" and not required. So as they graduate and get their little prescription pads they know how to write for any drug you want, but they have no flipping idea how to get you off the stuff at all. There are about 6 doctors in a 50 mile radius who claim to have any idea, and what do they resort to? Suboxone. Yeah. If you've ever been on Suboxone for a long time and tried to get off it, the withdrawal symptoms are no less than 14 days long and  harder than Oxycontin. It's also nearly $10 a pill at your local pharmacy.  That's about 6-$800 per month. Only oxycontin (which cost more like 2-$3 a pill at the pharm) is over in about 4 days because Suboxone embeds itself in your fat cells so the withdrawal goes on and on till you think you can't take it any more.

 

If you ask me, the doctors are already being squeezed and threatened by the DEA. That's not where the MASS quantities of drugs on the street come from, because even those few crooked ones get caught sooner or later. Most doctors really want to help you but have no education on pain meds or how to get people off them or especially how to treat chronic pain. The majority of the street drugs come from overseas pharmacies across our own borders! They are ordered on the internet with no script and sold in mass quantites.  It is descreet, and if you don't get caught, you can go on selling oxy's out of a ziplock bag holding literally hundreds of them.

 

Stop wasting time in school teaching our kids what Zues did in 800 BC and begin teaching them the dangers of putting even one vicodin (which is what they most commonly get started on) in their mouths. Show them what someone in withdrawal goes through. My kid saw me at my very worst ever, on all 4s, screaming for an ambulance after 2 days of cold turkey. He is now 16 and has recently been drug tested and came up completely clean. When asked why he turned it down, his honest answer was, I didn't want to ever go through what I saw my Mom go through, I thought she was dying.  So let's get the overseas trade and stop the internet purchases without scripts or even test results. Start there first and you'll find a whole lot less on the streets.  Also, parents need to educate their kids. 7 isn't too young and 16 isn't too old to tell them not to use these pills or to show them what the outcome is years after use and abuse. To heck with marijuana - may be emotionally habit forming but not the worst thing out there your kids are being offered, believe me!

 

That's my 2 cents. For whatever it's worth. All I want to say is anyone thinking of going on Suboxone, if you must, take the smallest amount possible and take it for as short a time as you absolutely can stand and then get away from it.

Karen Lee Richards, Health Guide
2/26/09 11:50pm

I agree that doctors need much more training on how to treat pain.  In most medical schools they only get one hour's worth of teaching on the subject.  I'd like to see more in-depth training be mandatory – including all the various options for treating pain as well as when to prescribe opioids and when not to. 

4/ 8/09 11:58pm

I agree totally with everything you have said.

I would also like to add that Dr's wanting to precribe Suboxone, only need do a 30 hour course to obtain a certificate to prescrbe suboxone from their clinic.

I decided to do a littl test and made some calls and appointments for these doctors to see what they knew about suboxone.

The results were amazing, you could not get more conflicting answers if you paid for them.

I had doctor's telling me that there is NO WAY you can ever become addicted to suboxone

.if you are on suboxone, you can also take other narcotics, but they will give you no pain relief

.if you are suboxone and take other narcotics you will go into immediate withdrawals

 

.suboxone has as much effect on pain, if not more than most pain medicines

.you must take this medication strictly as authorized

.I will prescribe the full amount of 32 mgs, and it is up to you the patient, as to when you feel like you need to take it

 

I have also read that some doctors are now prescribing methadone to come off suboxone.

I have read that in Europe, doctor's prescribe the maximum amount of 0.4mgs for pain. This is a mighty big difference between someone here on 32 mgs.

 

And here is another interesting, but very true story about a time I went to see a psychiatrist. I shad been speaking about my history when I mentioned all the problems I had personaly on suboxone. I had also mentioned that I needed to fly to Florida to make an appointment with the doctor who was prescribing the methadone, and that the cost was an outrageous 5000.00 dollars for a six week program.

The psychiatrist then opened his daw and pulled out a writing pad. He asked me numerous questions about the suboxone and the clinic itself. I thought to myself, this is wonderful-finally, someone who really understands what I have gone through.

Six months later, this psychiatrist was running his own suboxone clinic here?????????

 

It's always about the money. Doctors, I thought, were suppose to make some kind of pledge to care for their patients,not make deals with pharmaceutical companies as to how many shares they can invest or money they can make, or even worse-kill so many innocent people in the process. People who have sufferred most of their life in pain.

 

So it seems, even if the doctor will be educated on pain management, it doesn't necessarily mean that what they are taught, is the truth.

Lili

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By Grateful— Last Modified: 12/20/10, First Published: 02/24/09