Dear Dr.,
When I read your article, I was struck by the horrid way in which you describe some of the ways that the "Pain Doctors" chose to take final care of their patients. Give them a 30 day supply and a goodbye? Treat them like common criminals, and we all kno...
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Bill
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Pain Suffer's are treated unfairly by DR's
Darrol Cox
Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 02:14 PMI wanted to express my feelings about the current DEA stigma DR's must deal with, and also advocate for a better law/program for those truely suffering because someone else's decision, which would change drastically if they were the ones afflicted with these terrible physical/mental conditions.
Torture is the best way I can describe it...Why would anyone treat others so unjustly, and act like their simply seeking a quick fix by masking the pain with opiates, but what other alternatives are there? I would like to know!!!
I exercise when I am able and keep myself very active, even on most days when I would rather be curled up in a ball praying the pain would go away... It is so frustrating being judged by others because your no longer a "productive part of society" in most peoples eyes, which also includes the DR's we seek help from!!!
I am fortunate, as I do have an excellent mental health therapist whom has done everything possible to help me help myself. Living with chronic pain can leave you severly depressed and stressed, because lack of income, wondering how you'll make it throuch the day... I wish everyone the best; DH Cox
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Dropping patients
sundial1999
Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 02:50 PMI don't understand that either. I'm a cancer patient and I'm so tired of my doctor playing me with urine test and switching my meds around. I'm paying him to help me.....I don't always need my pain meds but want them for when I do. If they don't see opium in my system I'm scared they will take me off of them. I have some good days so don't think I need to take that strong medication if I don't have to. Can I refuse the urine test and still be okay?
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makeupgal
Monday, May 26, 2008 at 02:18 AMSundial,
I actually just read all the comments from the post I wrote what seems like years ago already!!
You are a cancer patient? Well, you can and should refuse all tests that are there to 'prove' you are not selling the meds!! You obviously know your body very well, and know when you need them and when you don't. Please don't add this fear of being taken off your medications, to the horrible fear that goes along with any cancer diagnosis!!
I would start a search for a center that treats cancer patients, regardless of your state, stage, etc. That is your focus, and you are a patient that deserves as much compassion as anyone in pain. It is the diagnosis of cancer that just floored me when I read your post. How DARE your doctor require a urine test of you? Good God. I am truly at a loss for words.
How about a big hug? ((((((((((((((Sundial)))))))))))))))))))))
Keep up the fight!! Makeupgal
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sundial1999
Monday, May 26, 2008 at 02:33 AMThank you very much for your reply....it's embarrassing for one thing and dealing with the news of stage 4 cancer at 50 (i was 48 when i was diagnosed). I really wanted something different and less mg's but he wouldn't change it. I'm falling asleep but keep send a post whenever you want....
Happy Memorial Da

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Doctors That Don't Understand Pain
Denise Coleman
Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 05:24 PMDear Shauna,
Thank you for writing such a passionate and necessary piece about the need for more doctors to understand the physiology of pain, as well as how pain can best be treated with medications, most specifically opiates. I have lived with chronic pain in my back for over 40 years and have had five spinal surgeries, including a double fusion with hardware, so I can relate to the amount and type of pain you must have and the frustration you experience in efforts to get some relief.
Most doctors do not learn about pain in medical school. Only recently has there been a specialty in pain management, which is a good step, however all doctors, regardless of specialty, should be required to learn about pain, treatment, and how chronic pain differs from acute pain.
Chronic pain is always with you, although it may be worse at times, but even with medication you are aware of the pain that you have lived with for months or years, because our cells don't forget and pain medicines only last a certain amount of time. I cannot even count the number of doctors; orthopedists, neurologists, and neurosurgeons, that I have seen over the years, nor the names of all the pain medicines I have been given. I have taken everything from aspirin to morphine, methadone, vicodan, and numerous others to various degrees of effectiveness. Finally, I found a pain management specialist, an anesthesiologist by specialty, who recognizes the role that pain has in a person's life, and the impact it has on the quality of that life. In January 2000, I had an intrathecal morphine pump implanted in my abdomen and since then, for the first time in all these years I have had days where I can almost forget I have pain. I can honestly say that my pain has been consistently reduced by 80-90% on most days.
The pump works by distributing an even level of morphine to my spine on a 24/7 basis. therefore I do not go through the ups and downs of pain relief we get from oral meds, which take some time to start working, give a little relief and then there is a period where the effectiveness becomes less and less, and only when you are in terrible pain again are you scheduled for another pain medication. Doctors and physical therapists will tell you not to let the pain get too bad, it is more difficult to treat, yet prescriptions are not written on an individualized schedule to meet the patient's pain cycle.
And if it isn't hard enough to educate a medical professional about your pain and what makes it feel better, we now have to be at the mercy of insurance company employees who may refuse to authorize a pharmacist to fill a prescription if they, or someone else in the almighty pharmaceutical industry, do not think you need that dosage, or to receive your medicine on that schedule.
There is much that needs to be done to educate the medical community about life with chronic pain so they can become our advocates with the insurance companies and the policy makers. We are at a dangerous point where policy makers in this country are considering or have passed legislation that would outlaw certain opiates for pain management. The National Pain Management Legislation (I am not sure of the exact name but the Pain Foundation can tell you what it is.) that was introduced in Congress calls for, among other things, increased funding for research on pain management, a national conference on pain and increased education for physicians on pain management and the use of opiates for chronic pain. We should support this type of legislation by contacting our Senators, Congressmen, and Congresswomen.
I apologize for the length of this comment but your posting really affected me. Please stay with me as I comment on one more item. I totally agree with your point of being treated like a criminal, perhaps the ones who should be criminalized are the physicians that don't live up to their Oath for caring for patients. "Do No Harm" is the first point in that Oath, and whether they know it or not, or whether they believe it or not, they are doing great harm to chronic pain patients by not treating them adequately and effectively. But just as it is easier to call all welfare recipients frauds than to actively seek out and prosecute those that are frauds, it is easy to call all patients who need pain medicine criminals who are drug seeking. Do they exist? Of course they do. Is everyone in pain a drug seeker? How ridiculous?
I would welcome anyone who thinks that we are just looking for a high, and by the way a real pain patient doesn't get high, the medicine is used up in the central nervous system fighting the pain, to come spend some time with me and see first hand what chronic pain has taken from me, and what the effect has been on my life. Thank you for your posting and for letting me speak on this issue. Denise
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makeupgal
Monday, May 26, 2008 at 03:09 AMDear Denise,
I am SO happy that the intrathecal Morphine pump has worked for you and is giving you what sounds like the best pain relief you have had in a long time!!
It seems we all agree...(us pain patients), on the subject of what to do with our pain. We all sound like a bunch of very strong willed (thank our pain for giving or helping that trait in us to grow), people that just happen to have pain in our lives. As I have written somehwere here, I have been told by my family that if they could just feel the pain I deal with every minute, every second sometimes, for just long enough to understand what a 9 out of 10 on a pain scale feels like. Then, deal with that for more than 30 minutes before we are rushed to the Hospital like they would (no disrespect, they would just freak out,) but we don't go anywhere. Except try to take care of our lives. I now have to work and I find myself in a very odd spot in my life. Back to the old days of after nursing school and raising my son a single mom. He's now 22. Good grief, HOW DO WE DO IT? I say we go on Oprah. LOL
Take care Denise, and Gentle Hugs to you sweetie.
makeupgal
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Dropping Pain Patients
annie
Friday, May 16, 2008 at 08:21 PMI am shocked at some of the ways the patients are treated. Your letter just enlightened me more. Working in a hospice is a true measurement of a good soul! My brother died in a hospice of pancreatic cancer. They helped him tremendously! My daughter has just been "almost fired" by a pain management daughter and it stressed her so badly. They did a UA which didn't surprise or scare her because she knew she had taken her meds. He made her wait an extra day for her meds, whil deciding why her pain medication didn't show up, then failed to call it in on time the next day. Her son was having back surgery at 18 and she was so stressed, just getting her meds before taking him to the hospital. Fortunately, he didn't fire her and apologized because the second test showed she had been taking her meds properly. Keep pushing for those in pain and hooray for you! There are a lot of people out here hurting and I can bet you they and thier families don't have to go through all of this nonsense! Thanks! Jewelbug
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makeupgal
Monday, May 26, 2008 at 03:27 AMDear Annie,
I of course, agree with your very passionate post also!! I am sorry for the loss of your brother. I am so glad to read that he had the loving care of the what I believe are
's. This testing for the Opiate in urine is something new to me! I feel a bit odd, being a nurse and also an educated pain patient for so many years, and now know that exisited!! It seems like such a 'guilty before proven innocent' type of underlying message there to me! 'We beleive that the medication we prescribed you may be sold and will not be found in your system'. My God, what is this all coming to??? And have I just not been associated with the right doctors to know this is a more common practice from what I have read than imagined?
I have been treated at a Teaching Hospital Level I Trauma Center, entire families fly to for the unprecidented treatments available. I never once saw the urine test. There is a Ronald Mc Donald house across the street for the families of Children patients to stay. My Pain Doc now was hiding in an unusual actual Hospital for Pain, including Outpatient patients, like me. No urine test. I have proved to my doctor that I treat my meds as I would a patients, I keep a med journal that shows every med that goes in my mouth and what time it was. No addict does that! But he knows I have never called in for more meds, (or had to), lost them, or any of those horrid things that put us into withdrawl. He would never let that happen to me, and if it did happen, he would believe me. I'd love to work there, and writing this just realized I have to fill that out!
You have so much going on in your life, and your families life, I wish you Peace in your home. Gentle Hugs, and I hope this finds you with no or low pain today.
makeupgal

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annie
Monday, May 26, 2008 at 05:04 AMThank you for your message! Your concern is very much appreciated. Yes, my brother died with angels watching after him in a loving environment. His wife had just died not 2 years earlier from leukemia. He had been taking her to treatment and with her in hospitals for years. We were quite surprised when he called to say he had pancreatic cancer. I believe we walk among angels and am so new to even being told I needed stronger pain meds by the attending pain management doctor that I was shocked to see the response of the other doctors. I've not even followed up with the pain mangement doctor.
Thank you for all the information in your note. Compassion is one of our most valuable attributes and I pray we manifest it more often. It sounds like you have found a good doctor and center. I wish you nothing but the best in your life. I, like you, had never known about drug tests and such in cases like these. I'd never heard anyone speak of it. I think we all need to be better informed as I know there are so many people in this world suffering regularly. Some days are better than others. A pain journal is a very good idea. Thanks for the suggestion. I don't abuse meds either and was totally shocked when a night nurse taking care of me for pylonephritis and stones in both kidneys, just so nonchalantly ignored my calls in the night hours. Well, she came in to give me a Darvocette and to say she would check back with me in about 30 minutes to see if the pain had eased. Stupidly, I endured the pain for a couple of hours because I had picked up very definite vibes that she didn't want to give me anything stronger. My daughter woke up and found me in such pain and went to the desk. We got results then. I was able to find comfort after a short while.
This entire set-up is so new to me and I know lots of others, that I can only hope the journal and my history help. I wish you all of life's best and may your life be filled with as little pain as possible. Right now, I am in quite a bit of pain, but have had a few good days, so I'm not going to complain. God bless you!
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Pain Patient Bill of Rights
wanderer
Tuesday, June 17, 2008 at 11:17 AMHi
Could you tell me about the BIll of Rights? Haven't heard of it. It sounds like you've gone through hell and back. I hope things get better for you. I've been in chronic pain since a car accident in '94, had failed back surgery in 2000, and have been going to a pain clinic for 4 years. I have a very understanding anaesthesiologist who listens, prescribes meds well, and is willing to try different things. I had one treatment of radio frequency pain ablation which helped my shoulder blade pain immensely. I hope they can help my low back pain as well.
Wanderer
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makeupgal
Monday, June 30, 2008 at 01:46 AMDear Wanderer,
Excuse please my late look at this site, a new job has me in a real whirlwind!!!

If you go to the American Pain Foundation's website @ apf.org , they will have it posted somewhere. I hate to be so general, but I myself have not gone to that site in just too long.
I have seen it posted at my old Pain Center, and also on the wall at outpatient surgery centers. Where I work now I haven't seen it yet, and I also see what I think is too tough of an attitude about those with pain in some nurses I work with, and others that think as I do, that a cry from a post-stroke patient are sounds of pain relief need! The patient happens to be a nurse who was walking down the hall at work one day, and had a stroke.) At 48. She continues to have them. She cries when she is touched or moved. Is this an involuntary cry which is a post-stroke condtition, or is she in pain? It is interesting to see the vast difference in nurses and their beliefs, some very deep-rooted, that the patient just wants the high.
http://www.rsd-ca.org/Pain%20Patients%20Bill%20of%20Rights.htm
That is a link to read the Pain Bill of Rights, provided by the American Pain Foundation.
Gentle Hugs,
makeupgal

Stop by my blog on my own life in Chronic Pain and Other Fun Things @
http://shaunaslifeinpain.blogspot.com
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I agree with all you say. I'm not suggesting this but going on the morphine pump - implanted (by medtronics) has made a big difference even with how I am treated. One, it is a much more even pain management experience (although surgery not the walk in the park it's sounds like on the website). Two, no one can claim I don't need it or that I am abusing it. The morphine goes in, the pump is programed, I come back in 3 months unless something goes wrong. Between that and a good physical theraphist I've gone from living my life 3-9 on a scale of 10 to 0-6 or 7! Yes, I do have some zero time in the morning that I didn't have for 8 years. Check out Medtronics.com and they have a listing of doctors.
peace, Bill
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