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Q: What are some alternatives to Darvocet N-100?

I am currently prescribed Darvocet N-100 for my chronic back pain. I personally don't feel safe using them because of the high amounts of Acetaminophen that are in it. Is there anything that is just as strong as Darvocet without as much acetaminophen that I could switch to and where exactly does Darvocet N-100 stand compared to other strong pain medications?

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Cort, Health Guide
1/19/09 9:29pm

I've seen Darvocet described as a 'minor' narcotic in the class of hydrocodone and vicodin. Stronger narcotics included such things as morphine, methadone, oxycodone, OxyContin and fentanyl. 

 

Darvocet N-100 does contain alot (625 mgs) of acetaminophen - that's about the upper limit of acetaminophen you can find in a drug. (You should never take more than 4000 mg of acetaminophen in a day.). Based on the fact that there are more powerful pain drugs out there with less acetaminophen in them, speaking purely as a layman, I would think you'd be able to find a replacement with less acetaminophen.

 

I've heard that you can get such things as Darvocet compounded (made in a compounding pharmacy) with aspirin or ibuprofen  but I don't know how difficult it is to get that done.

 

It is possible to get  a few narcotic drugs that contain no additives at all but it's not easy. The additives are placed in the drug in order to enhance the narcotics effect and thus to reduce the amount narcotic necessary to reduce pain.

 

http://www.healthcentral.com/peoplespharmacy/408/drugs/brand/19_overview/Darvocet-N+100.html

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Regina Lilley, Community Member
11/29/10 11:24am

I have severe Fibromyalgia and Arthritis and I cannot take Ibuprofen or aspirin based pain medicine. I have been taking Darvocet N 100 and I have been able to exercise and function normally. Now that one or two people cannot take the medicine they have chosen to take it off the market for all of us. I had a pyroplasty years ago and I have tried tylenol 3 but it made me very sick. Is there anything comparable to Darvocet?

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nancy, Community Member
12/ 5/10 12:16am

can you suggest some kind of pain med. that would be comparable to darvacet n-100?

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Edn, Community Member
2/ 6/11 4:14pm

I have been taking Darvocet prn for pain from a nerve injury in my hand.  Is there an alternatve.  I tried Lyrica and it spaced me out.  Also have tried Nucyntra, which made me dizzy and put me to sleep and Ultran, which seems to have efect.

Is there anything else I can take that will not make me a walking robot?

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Regina Lilley, Community Member
2/17/11 4:13pm

Saw my Doctor today and he said we need to organize and start a letter and faxing and calling campaign to your senators. They might help us get the FDA to put Darvocet back with a special release form if we all call them and fax them and write to them. Here in Colorado it is:

Michael Bennet                       Michael Bennet

2300 15th St. Suite 450            702 Hart Senate Office Bldg 

Denver Colorado 80202            Washington, D.C. 20510

1-866-455-9866                       202-224-5852

Fax 303-455-8851                    Fax 202-228-5036

 

Write to their local address, because mail delivery is very slow in Washington D.C. because of the terror level. But we can fax and call non stop! But if we ALL start doing this we might get this done. 

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NWHITNEY, Community Member
2/17/11 6:32pm

So what did your doctor give you in its place?I have a appointment next week would love to know.

I will also get at my senator here in ct.

 

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LSUMOM, Community Member
3/ 5/11 3:48am

I love your idea of trying to start a grassroots campaign to get the FDA to being back Darvocet.  It is one of the safest drugs for pain there ever was on the market provided you didn't take more than 4,000 mg of Tylenol in one day.  In my experience, I have never taken anywhere close to that amount and find all this typical lawyer crap.  I saw my GP this week and she said she ask some cardiologist about it causing "heart" problems as the FDA claims and they told her they had never had even one case where this wonderful drug caused any heart problems.  This is just more of the government taking away our rights.  I think it's probably the lobbyist for the pharmaceutical companies who pushed this as Darvocet was so inexpensive and the drug companies weren't making a killing off of it.  The lobbyist and the pharmaceutical companies shouldn't ruin our way of lives.  I would be happy to start a campaign with Congress to look into bringing this drug back but that would be difficult if they are receiving money from these pharmaceutical companies who support their campaigns with large contributions.  It would be nice to get the lobbyists and lawyers out of Washington and let Congress represent us in the way in which we wanted and not what they are bought out to represent.  The days of "public servant" are long gone and now they do whatever they damn well please.  My GP told me Canada and Europe have long stopped allowing Darvocet to be sold.  I wish I had thought about this when I was in China last year and had brought a prescription to buy some.  There was a time when I visited China and you didn't even have to have a prescription to purchase such drugs.  All the alternatives to Darvocet are highly addictive and I'm just not going to take them as I don't need that strong a medication and certainly don't want to get addicted to oxycodone, etc.  If anyone knows where Darvocet is still being sold, I'd love to find out.  Let's all get started with Congress to let them know we want our Darvocet back!

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guidoc, Community Member
5/16/11 6:38pm

I totally agree with your doctor and the cardiologist she consulted concerning the cardiac problems caused by Darvocet. I have not read any of the detailed research about propoxyphene, which is the narcotic ingredient in Darvocet, and what we are really discussing.

I have read items on the Internet that hundreds and probably thousands of people have died because of propoxyphene. Yet how was this "covered up" for 57 years?

Were the bodies piling up in the streets? If anyone is liable for this, it is the doctor's who never reported these deaths. How is it that there were no reports, or minimal reports in the least, of the link between propoxyphene and cardiac deaths. 

And, was it just propoxyphene napsylate, or propoxyphene HCL, or the combination of either of those with acetaminophen.

As far as I know, propoxyphene was removed from the UK and European market due to accidental overdoses and the use of it in the "Suicide Cocktail", but I could be incorrect. There was never any mention of cardiac arrythmias.

I liked the comments I read on a website and I think they were written by an attorney: (paraphrasing) It took long enough to remove this from the market and maybe we will have more success with the "sisters of Darvocet"; who are the sisters of Darvocet --all the narcotic medications that patients take for pain relief! If you want to discuss this further email me at pharmainfo@lotrain.com

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Lynn, Community Member
2/20/12 10:14pm

Can you clairify whether the person having the heart problems was taking the ORIGINAL Darvocet or the generic?   I am highly allergic to most medications - not just getting sick - they close up my throat, etc.   Darvocet was the one and only pain medicine I could take for my fibromyalgia, senile osteoporosis, osteo arthritis, 3 herniated discs, 9 fractured discs, and 3 turned discs - and they take it off the market in recond speed for removing a drug off the market, but the FDA hasn't been able to say whether their test results were from regular or generic.  I can take regular Darvocet with no side effects.   Give me a generic and I become a jittery, heart racing, freaking out person.   My doctors hands are tied due to my extreme allergies.   There is currently a law suit to get Darvocet reinstated, but it can take 3 - 5 years to get through the system it has to go through.   I just wish anyone writing about it would clarify whether they are talking regular Darvocet or generic.

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MEM, Community Member
2/21/12 8:55am

Lynn, I don't mean to sound like a "smart Alec" ~ but I really don't think it matters as far as the FDA is concerned whether it's the regular or generic.  For some reason ~ and I "smell" money ~ the decision was made and it's plain and simple that it's a conspiracy and what WE say makes no difference at all.  If we KNEW ~ which we don't ~ it would probably "freak" us all out if we knew exactly how many drugs are out there RIGHT NOW, killing people EVERY DAY.  So, I don't think the "REASON" they are giving is the truth at all.  But, as you say, it will probably take 3 to 5 years to get through the system, no matter WHAT we say or do.  Just try to participate in the conference call on Friday.

 

Emily

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Bari, Community Member
3/11/12 12:41am

I just got onto this site so I am sure I missed the conference call.  If there is any way to keep me posted on the status of things I would be so grateful.  Darvocet is the ONLY pain med I can take.  I have an ulcer and everything else, even at the lowest dose, with antacids and food either puts me in agony or I throw it up or itch all over.  What can I do to help?  I have an old (2008) bottle that I am tempted to try as just had rotator cuff surgery and have nothing to take for pain.  Even the nerve block didn't work!

Thank you.

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MEM, Community Member
3/31/12 10:54am

I agree with you Bari!!  It is the ONLY ~ and I do mean ONLY pain medication that completely stops my back pain with absolutely NO SIDE EFFECTS.  I wish I DID know what to do to get it back.  One attorney tried, but got no cooperation, so I think she's frustrated and isn't trying any more ~ and I don't blame her.  I guess there aren't enough people out there that know about this website.  My guess is that VERY FEW people know about it and I don't know of any other way to let your questions/objections known.  Not that it would do any good, but there is power in NUMBERS.  Maybe somebody else knows another avenue/option.

MEM

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Melinda, Community Member
5/12/12 10:10pm

I had some older Darvocet that worked just fine!

 

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Writer2122, Community Member
5/13/12 1:20pm

Taking outdated drugs is not dangerous (unless they've actually changed color).  The worst effect is they lose potency.  If I had any Darvocet - even old Darvocet - I'd take it!  I only use it occassionally and I would kill for one now!  Just had a tooth pulled without Novocain (I'm allergic) and the pain is excruciating! By the way, I had a torn rotator cuff and after four sessions with a acupuncturist it was completely healed!  It was whole lot cheaper, less invasive, and painless.  There are quite a few issues that acupuncture can solve.  My friend had a gall stone (or a kidney stone - I don't remember) and she never had surgery.  The acupuncture dissolved the stone!

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Reptileden0, Community Member
7/23/12 9:42am

here is another case like mine! My stomach is so sensitive and darvocet was the only thing I could really take. i get ill even now when I have to take my vicodin and tylenol. its been rough. I didnt have that many a day but it truely helped. I could take generic or regular darvocet but only the white or deep salmon colored. others made me ill- especially the bright pink ones... I had to try a few brands of it to find right one.. then bam- gone. my Dr's and I cant find a med that helps now..

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MEM, Community Member
5/25/11 3:11pm

LSUMOM ~ Are you still interested in this bring back darvocet campaign?  MEM

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LSUMOM, Community Member
7/31/11 3:48am

Yes, I'm very interested in a campaign to bring back Darvocet.  Just let me know what you need me to do.

 

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Bertie, Community Member
3/28/12 10:50pm
Yes I am still interested in getting this drug back on the market. it was and still the only pain killer that worked for me. Reply
JILL STEWART, Community Member
4/11/12 12:06pm

OH, YES PLEASE BRING IT BACK!    JS

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debbie taylor, Community Member
1/26/12 3:54pm

Amen to that LSU MOM, Darvocet was the greatest pain med out there and a mild one at that....I dont understand all this crap about it causing heart condtitions....I have 4 leaky valves and have been taking it for year....at least 25....Yes if you find out where we can buy darovcet I would like to know as other meds make me sick and r too strong.

 

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Tiva, Community Member
8/ 9/12 4:18am

Ten things you should know about Darvocet

http://arthritis.about.com/od/darvocet/a/darvocet.htm

 

And yes, it is also addicting like any other opiod.

The toxisity from the tylonol isn't worth what it puts your liver and kidneys through. Better to stay with pure narcotic.

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FMpain, Community Member
9/28/13 10:27pm

If you do indeed get a grassroots campaign to get the FDA to being back Darvocet please let me know (j9nla@hotmail.com)  It took my mother who has Fibro Myalgia 7 years and many medications to find one that didn't make her sick and that actually worked for her.  Now since they took it off the market she is living in pain again. 

This has affected hundreds of thousand people.  Now that everyone who was on it is well informed of possible side affects (just like hundreds of other medications) that should be their decision to take it.  Like others have said, have them sign a release form.  I mean how hard is that?

 

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FMpain, Community Member
9/28/13 10:30pm

If you do indeed get a grassroots campaign to get the FDA to being back Darvocet please let me know (j9nla@hotmail.com)  It took my mother who has Fibro Myalgia 7 years and many medications to find one that didn't make her sick and that actually worked for her.  Now since they took it off the market she is living in pain again. 

This has affected hundreds of thousand people.  Now that everyone who was on it is well informed of possible side affects (just like hundreds of other medications) that should be their decision to take it.  Like others have said, have them sign a release form.  I mean how hard is that?

 

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Susie from Oklahoma, Community Member
3/ 9/11 8:39pm

Please remove my remarks about darvocet - N- 100 from my facebook wall.  I had not idea you would publish such personal information there.  Thank you.

Susie from Oklahoma

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Lissette Amores, Community Member
3/18/11 5:50pm

Thank you for this imformation, the only reason Darvocet was taken out is because it was a very good medication, this is not good for the other manufactures of pain killers. In my case never had a side effect or any type of  problem with Darvocet or Darvon. Every time a medicine is good or cure you they look for a reason to take it out of the market.

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Regina Lilley, Community Member
3/19/11 10:19am

You are so right....I just received a letter back from the FDA and Dr. Hamburg who is the new head didn't even have the decency to right back herself, she had one of her flunkies do it. He basically said they don't care about us and we do not matter. I know that whoever paid for this "new study" is responsible for having Darvocet taken off the market. I think that someone at Public Citizen had something to do with it but I don't have any proof. This is just like the global warming situation, as soon as the grants ran out and these so called scientists couldn't get anymore money then they stepped up and said that they were essentially paid to come up with the results the politicians wanted. I believe that this will happen here also, when the bribe in the form of a grant runs out this "new study" will be proven to be false. I have sent our information to Greta Van Sustern but right now with Japan in the news we don't have much of a chance to get any help. What we need is an attorney who believes in our cause and will help us. I am not giving up, I will send another letter to the FDA and I will continue the search for an attorney. All I asked the FDA to do was to let those of us who have been taking Darvocet for over twenty years with no side effects sign a release form and have it back, and this idiot I heard from never even acknowledged what I asked for. The FDA needs to be done away with, I have never encountered such morons all in one place since Congress!

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MEM, Community Member
3/25/11 5:52pm

I wish I could think of a way to "reach" a lot more people.  Do you know how to "You Tube?"

 

MEM

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Regina Lilley, Community Member
3/26/11 3:15pm

No but I can learn and I will!

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motiv311, Community Member
6/ 8/11 6:26am

lortab 7.5/500 and percoset (5/325 mg) (oxycodone) wold be appropriate alternatives.

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Regina Lilley, Community Member
6/ 8/11 8:17pm

Can't take Percoset, huge side effects that I didn't have with Darvocet. Plus that kind of medication would put me to sleep for a week. With Darvocet it just relieved the pain and had no side effects. The people claiming side effects are just wanting money and I hope they don't get it. I would love to testify for the Company that made Darvocet to see to it that they don't get any money. Shame on them for devastating so many lives in such a serious and dangerous way. I am still trying and still doing everything I can to get them to let us have it back if we agree to sign a release form. Be very careful, there are cops on this site who are trying to trick you into buying Darvocet from them, so just don't get taken in. Hang in there everyone!

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MEM, Community Member
6/ 9/11 10:40am

Hey, Regina.  Good to hear from you.  I tried to find you on Facebook but have been unsuccessful.  See if you can find me under Emily Killingsworth.

 

MEM

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mhs001, Community Member
8/27/11 11:21pm

Hi, I have MS and reallly miss my Darvocet.  If I can help with a Congressional campaign, would be happy to.  mhs001@hotmail.com

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furbabies, Community Member
1/ 1/12 12:37pm

My doc was prescribing me Darvocet for my migraines. I have severe migraines 2-3 times a month. I have tried every test there is, every medicine there is and it still came back to Darvocet being the best for me. It didn't make me tired. It gave me energy, I felt better, it took my migraine away, heck it took all my body pain away. When I was 18 yrs old I was in a horrible car accident, broke both my pelvic bones, both my hip ball joints in half, bent my ankle backward the wrong way. In 1992 got rear ended at a stop light the guy was going 45 mph. In 2002 I was driving down a state hwy road and this young kid was stopped at a stop sign and for some reason he said he didn't even know he just went so he hit me in the process and slammed me up against a guard rail and my truck rolled backwards down a 20 ft embankment. The EMT people came down the hill to get me I had to walk up the embankment. I found out later that I had a broken back. To this day I have a knot in my back still. I've been to neurologists, chiropractors, been on many different meds. None work. Except Darocet. And my doctor tells me "Well no is a good time for your body to cleanse itself". By everything I heard about those type meds you aren't supposed to let your body just go cold turkey. I've been on Darvocet for 5-7 yrs. He gave me Percocet and it made me have a headache and a rebound headache for days on end. I stopped that myself immediately. So if there is anyway to get Darvocet back on the market legally I'm all for it. I don't buy illegal drugs never have and never will.

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Regina Lilley, Community Member
1/ 1/12 2:43pm

So sorry..there is an attorney in Utah who is filing papers to get Darvocet reinstated. You can talk to her through her website. Her name is Barbara Maw and she is trying very hard to get Darvocet reinstated. She is fighting a very corrupt system. Dr. Margaret Hamburg was appointed by Obama..and she and her cohort Dr. Kathleen Sebileus consider themselves untouchable. They took the breast cancer medicine, Avastin, away from the patients who desperately needed it and those patients begged the drug company who made Avastin to sue the FDA and the drug company told them that Dr. Sebileus threatened them that if they sued the FDA then she would see to it that they would never get another one of their drugs approved. Pure mobster tactics! As long as Obama is in office then these thugs at the FDA are indeed untouchable! They are just getting started also, they are going to remove Tylenol, and then Ibuprofen...Hamburg is also going to require that all supplements like vitamin C go through a ridiculous level of testing which will render it so expensive that no one will be able to buy it! Then the companies will go out of business. The only medicines that will remain will be the ones that "the Dictators" will allow. The people in this country need to wake up and take back control of their medications. Ron Paul said that he would dissolve the FDA..."because all they do is keep good medicine away from the people who need it". But these two monsters aren't going to give up they're power easily. I am sorry to politicize this issue but the truth of the matter is that no one in this administration is afraid of the people and they absolutely do not care what is best for the people they just want to control everyone..and what better way than to control everyones medicine!! Contact Barbara Maw and then remember when it comes time to vote, remember who it is that is taking your medicine away!

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Regina Lilley, Community Member
1/ 1/12 5:04pm
Barbara Maw's website is info@barbaramawlaw.com Reply
Regina Lilley, Community Member
1/ 3/12 2:43pm
People also need to know that these two, Dr. Hammond and Dr. Sebelius, are moving very quickly to remove Tylenol as we speak. If you need Tylenol you should stock up. These two are very reminisent of 1930's Germany...they want to control every aspect of your life. They are truly dangerous people. Today i saw a man on TV saying how good this new health system is because it will be so difficult to use that most people will give up trying to see a doctor and that is the way it should be! So only the elite rich will be able to use the new "health" system! People in this country need to wake up. Your doctor can no longer treat you in the hospital obama has appointed a panel who the doctor feeds your info to and they will have three choices, treatment A,B, or C. And they will tell the Doctor how he can treat you, if you are old you will never get the good treatment..look up Dr. Rob Steele, he is a cardiologist in Michigan and he has been warning people for over a year about what was coming. Contact info@barbaramawlaw.com and help her against the FDA! Please remember to vote obama out so we can take back control of our medicines! Reply
Regina Lilley, Community Member
1/ 3/12 2:44pm
People also need to know that these two, Dr. Hammond and Dr. Sebelius, are moving very quickly to remove Tylenol as we speak. If you need Tylenol you should stock up. These two are very reminisent of 1930's Germany...they want to control every aspect of your life. They are truly dangerous people. Today i saw a man on TV saying how good this new health system is because it will be so difficult to use that most people will give up trying to see a doctor and that is the way it should be! So only the elite rich will be able to use the new "health" system! People in this country need to wake up. Your doctor can no longer treat you in the hospital obama has appointed a panel who the doctor feeds your info to and they will have three choices, treatment A,B, or C. And they will tell the Doctor how he can treat you, if you are old you will never get the good treatment..look up Dr. Rob Steele, he is a cardiologist in Michigan and he has been warning people for over a year about what was coming. Contact info@barbaramawlaw.com and help her against the FDA! Please remember to vote obama out so we can take back control of our medicines! Reply
acwalden, Community Member
1/25/12 6:35am
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This is a brilliant editorial piece! I tried to share it on my FB but I accidentally canceled the paste. The fact of the Obama administration playing gangster politics with people in pain is insufferable and I truly hope Ron Paul can turn this country back around for us all! Thank you again for the insightful analysis.

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Regina Lilley, Community Member
1/25/12 3:39pm

Dr. Margaret Hamburg and her cohort Dr. Kathleen Sebelius who is the head of Health and Human Services is now going after Tylenol and all of the Vitamins and Supplements that we take. These two self righteous know it alls are right out of 1930's Germany! They want ALL, thats right, ALL medications taken off the market and they want us to beg them for every little pill we can get them to approve, and if we displease them they will see to it that we cannot get our medicines at all. The poor breast cancer patients who are fighting for Avastin asked the drug company to sue the FDA so they could get there breast cancer medicine and the drug company told them that they are afraid of Hamburg and Sebelius because they were told that if they sued them these two would see to it that absolutely nothing that this drug company put up for approval would ever be approved again! John Gotti did things like this and they put him in prison for it! This is mobster politics, and these two are great at it. They pretend that they are protecting you, but they just want the power to control you. This leads to jackbooted thugs kicking down your door and going through your medicine cabinets. If you think this is impossible then hear this...The Department of Education now has a swat team and they went to a residence and kicked the door down and put a man and his two children in handcuffs! They were looking for his ex-wife who had defaulted on student loans!! This is the Department of Education people and THEY HAVE A SWAT TEAM! Your Federal Government gave them this power and armed them and sent them out in the middle of the night to terrorize citizens who might know someone who defaulted on a student loan!They are in league with an organization called Public Citizen who is headed by Dr. Sidney Wolfe and my Doctor said that these people, especially Dr. Sidney Wolfe are extremely dangerous and we are headed down a very dangerous road by letting people who believe in "one size fits all" medicine taking the decision away from you and your Doctor. Ron Paul said that if he was elected he would dissolve the FDA because all they do is keep good medicine away from the people who need it!! I was asked not to politicize this issue but there is no way around this, these two, Hamburg and Sebelius, are Obama appointees and if you want access to your medicine you need to get very active in getting rid of this moron and these mobsters who he has appointed. There is a Documentary that you should watch, it is called "The Rise of the Third Reich". Watch this video for the "process" that the Nazis went by in their take over, and pay special attention to how they took control of the German peoples medicine, we are going the in the same direction faster than you can imagine. These self righteous thugs want to dictate what you can take because they know what is best for you and you do not get to make that decision. Hamburg removed Darvocet in one day without answering to anyone for her decision, and she is just getting started, so don't fall for that excuse that she is just trying to protect you! She intends to control you and do you really want a mobster thug whose ring you will have to kiss to make your decision on medicines?? Give me my Liberty!! 

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holly, Community Member
5/16/12 7:46pm

Hello everyone, I too  took darvocet or propoxyph-acetaminophn 100-650.  Other pain medicine made me sick to my stomach and left me with my head spinning, until the dentist prescribed vicoden with acetaminophn or hydrocodon - acetaminophn 7.5-325 which I break in half.  All these years thinking that it was the narcotic and it was the ibuprophen not the narcotic.  I am sure if I took too much it would knock me for a loop but I only take the drugs when I need to function, like wash dishes or walk down the cellar and wash clothes, or even running the vaccume. I was afraid to take it at first, so I took it in bed, prepared to sleep off the sickness, but suprise it worked, and I am very annoyed that no doctor ever suggested that I try a different filler.  Good luck all, use it or lose it!!!

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Lynn, Community Member
2/20/12 10:16pm

Not if they kill you they wouldn't be.  

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FMpain, Community Member
9/24/13 1:03am

My mother who is 75 has suffered from Fibromyalgia for over 20 years.  It took Doctor's several years to find something that worked for her and that didn't make her sick and that drug was Darvocet and to this day she does not have any heart problems.

Since they took Darvocet off the market it was like starting all over again for her. Her Doctor has put her on Lortab, Ultram, Ultracet, Meloxicam and several more drugs.  None of them worked for her like Darvocet did and they all made her sick with one thing or another. 

I just don't understand how they can justify discontinuing Darvocet.  A good Doctor should monitor their patient when they are put on any kind of long term medication.  

I have read several forums on this subject and there were way more people who expressed that they too went through what my mother did as far as trying different medications.  Nothing worked and/or they experienced to many side effects.

There are drugs on the market now that are just as bad if not worse when it comes to serious side effects.

Why can't they put it back on the market and require that Doctor's to discuss the serious side effects that Darvocet can have.  Give the patient enough information and allow them to make an informed decision on wheter or not they would want to take the Darvocet.  Make it mandatory and those that choose to take the Darvocet would have to sign a release form.  Afterall it is your life and body and you should have the opportunity to take what works for you.

 

Just saying 

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lorimar1960, Community Member
11/29/12 4:11am

Hello, I'm reading some of you'r post as a friend of mines husband past and he like collected these darvocets.so I was given them i used totake years ago.. I recall being given these duing oral surgery im also allergic to all but Opiates, as the Codone family not Contine Moriphine, anyways, I see your points as with Norco, my pain med I have been thrown all over town trying to even just find a doctor to give us one. We have a low pay clinic and i was going there, my doctor failed to see me as she was suppose to, well they called me in to urine test me, and I came back as Amphetemine, and Contin, sorry I would like to be able to say I still did drugs however I stopped in 1985and never gone back, as matter of fact Im highly allergic to contin and morphine codines, I actually brought back a full 180 pills to the doctors left them there and got my norco backl. If we frequent hospital we to are red flagged, well prior to seeing the doc for a U.A. I had an asthmea attack, turned blue was given, Adrenelin, Abuterol and some other proventila, and clairitian D 24 hour, and yes had all my scripts even my Nebulizer, well, I went 4 months cold turkey off ALL 9 medications, 

     Im telling you my life story as maybe one could help send me in a direction, as I am helping you...

     To Go to Gmail and make an account, they have huge blog spots and You invite a Circle of people , if they like your cause then they as well invite circles and this is huge...And truley you only need to impress one in the group to make it brance, plead your case make an ad and do what your doing here, get all email addys and send invites so they are put to the exaxct room as you, as well it shows as a headline in say google if you were to do what i did, darvocet n 100, good or bad.. here i am... so i hope this helps and good luck, 

     P.s., I had understood that darvoct was removed for it eurphoria ability... and this is insane to think cuz most all opiates are this way.... meds and the medical ways are nuts... good luck 

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db2000, Community Member
3/29/12 6:25pm

Absolutely nuts!

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Elyse Tamborino, Community Member
3/24/11 2:11pm

I have degenerative disk disease. Quite severe.  I have tried every drug imaginable.  I have had two radio recency ablations. The pain is almost unbearable.  The least invasive drug for me is the Darvacet which takes the edge off and I can function and take care of my granddaughter safetly.  What am I going to do now.  I am in a panic.  I have never had any ill effects.  I took Neurotin for two years and started to loose my memory.  I still cannot spell like I used to and have permanent disability in this area.  i thought I was getting Alzheimers.   Please please keep this on the market.  Who is listening to this?  I only have a few pills left.  I cannot travel, the walking is agonizing unless I take the Darvocet.  PLEASE HELP

 

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Regina Lilley, Community Member
3/25/11 2:39pm

I am so sorry, your pain is so much worse than mine and I am so sorry for you. I have been writing to the FDA and sending e-mails but no one is listening. Three years ago they took a popular MS medication off the market and the MS people raised so much noise that the FDA allowed them to sign a release form stating that they were aware of the dangers but wanted to take it anyway and it was put back on the market. This has been my goal for Darvocet but we the Chronic Pain Sufferers are not making enough noise so they are ignoring us. Here is the info that I have: Dr Margaret Hamburg is the new head of the FDA, her address is 10903 New Hampshire Ave., Silver Spring, MD 20993-0002. The phone number is 1-888-463-6332 The e-mail is webmail@oc.fda.gov   Another phone number is 1-317-276-2000 and another e-mail address is druginfo@fda.hhs.gov I wrote to Dr. Margaret Hamburg however she didn't even have the decency to answer me, she had one of her flunkies do it. He is either following a form letter or he is one of the dumbest jackasses up there. But here is his address Donald Dobbs Consumer Safety Officer, Department of Health and Human Services 10903 New Hampshire Ave., W051-2201 Silver Spring, MD. 20993-0003. They are basing this removal on a new study that was paid for by someone who wanted Darvocet off the market so of course they got the results that they wanted. I believe that the organization called Public Citizen had a hand in this study but I don't know that for sure. The head of Public Citizen wants all medications taken off the market and my Doctor says that this organization is truly dangerous for us all. The new study says that Darvocet MIGHT cause heart toxicity, however, there are millions of us who have been on Darvocet for over twenty years with absolutely no side effects what so ever. They took a vote and the vote was 14 to 12 to remove Darvocet. They never even considered the human implications. We need a public figure to help us, your senator or a news person to do a story on the effects of this removal. I am trying everyday to get this done, and all of you have to also. I am convinced that we can get it back with a release form if we get these stories to a news person who would do a story for us. I am so sorry for you, I wish I could help you personally but I can't. We need to organize and unite to get this done, write to Ralph Nader at P.O. Box 19312 Washington D.C. I know he was taking Darvocet and he was very unhappy that they took it off the market. Maybe he can help us.

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Regina Lilley, Community Member
3/25/11 3:37pm

Here is Ralph Naders e-mail

 

info@nader.org 

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Elyse Tamborino, Community Member
3/25/11 5:40pm

I called the FDA yesterday and a gentleman read to me something along the lines of the vote being 14 to 12 to take off the market.  He also said the the use of this drug had diminished. I took this to mean the profits are down and Dr's aren't pushing this drug.  If you are addicted to a harder med then you will use  it more profits.  I told him that now my quality of life is in jeopardy and he said maybe if I or my DR called the pharmaceutical company that they might allow an acceptation ( probably with written disclaimer)..   in essence I wanted my discussion to be noted but doubt any of us could do anything about this at all.

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Regina Lilley, Community Member
3/26/11 3:42pm

When they lost the patent on Darvocet and it was made generically they no longer cared about it because the profits were down. So when the mad hatter at the Public Citizen organization called for its removal the drug company said "sure" because they weren't making any money on it now anyway. Not one of them cared about the human implications that this would cause. I have begged them to let us sign a release form stating that we have read the "the new study" and we want to take it anyway. This new study that they based the removal on in my opinion was bought and paid for by someone who wanted to profit from the removal of Darvocet. When the "grant" runs out they will come out and tell everyone that Darvocet is one of the mildest safest narcotics ever made. They only came out with the heart toxicity results because that was all they could find, and the heart toxicity has never been reported as side effect because it is so minuscule. I have been taking it for over twenty years with no side effects at all. We need to find a way to make this public and let everyone know that it could be your medicine next, and that we need to stop these "safety nazis" from removing all of our medicine before we are back to the dark ages. I work on this everyday, and I have sent tv personalities an e-mail trying to enlist their help in getting this made public. We all need to contact our Senators especially those up for re election and see if we can find one who might help us. When I contacted the pharmaceutical company they said we need to put pressure on the FDA to let us sign a release form and have it back. So keep working on it and sending those letters and e-mails and contacting everyone you can, maybe we will luck on to someone. I am not giving up!

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MEM, Community Member
4/ 5/11 5:54pm

Regina, do you have any recent news?  My computer has been down for almost two weeks and I lost almost everything in it.  Any new news? I tried posting another reply and got that reply ~ "Someone else has this email address."

 

MEM

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Regina Lilley, Community Member
4/ 7/11 9:41am

I have been working on TV personalities but with Japan and our crooks shutting down the Federal Govt. we aren't big news, but I am not giving up. I will post the letters just as soon as I can, I have to go away for a week to help my daughter, then I will get them on here. Sorry about your computer, sometimes I think mine has a personality and it doesn't like me. Ha I am going to compose another letter to Dr. Margaret Hamburg the new head of the FDA, and one thing we can all do is vote against Obama, if his administration leaves office we stand a chance that Dr. Hamburg will be replaced with someone with some common sense. She won't even respond to me, she gets one of her flunkies to do it. The idea that this administration cares about the little guy is such a lie and I hope people have learned that there are no politicians who care about anyone but their own bank accounts. I am still trying to get an attorney also, I have contacted about fifty and no one wants to take on the FDA, they are all such cowards. But I am not finished I have more to go. Hang in there I am still working on getting our Darvocet back and I will never quit!

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MEM, Community Member
4/ 7/11 2:20pm

Regina, you're too cool and too smart.  Do you have a Facebook account?  Maybe we could converse that way.  I'm a Georgian and I believe you said something that led me to believe you are a Coloradan.

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TimG, Community Member
4/17/11 8:54pm

Hello, Regina. My wife has Fibromyalgia and the best drug she had was Darvocet. We were blind sided by it's removal. I have The Texas Senators and Rep Ron Paul. Rep. Paul seems to understand. I am in the fight for my wife and will keep fighting. The alternatives, Including Lyrica do not work for her. Keep up the fight. I am with you.

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Donna Bidinger, Community Member
11/19/11 10:37pm

Hi Regina,

 

Tonight I took one of the last two darvocets I've been clinging to.  I feel soooo good (and I don't mean high).  For the first time in months my body doesn't hurts.  I can get up out of the chair and WALK without excruciating pain.  I googled darvocet to see what if anything is going on with bringing it back and I found this site.  

 

I have been taking it for years without side effects or addiction.  I would take one in the morning and 9 times out of 10 that was it for the day.  The only time I'd take another was if I was going to bowl or do something like that later in the day.

 

My heart is fine and I never wanted to kill myself.  Now, thanks to the wonderful FDA I spend my days in pain.  My life has slowed down and I'm not as active as I was before because I'm in constent pain.  Thank you for improving my life Mr. FDA.

 

If there is anything I can do to climb on board your cruisade to bring it back let me know.  

 

Sincerely,

Donna Bidinger

Age 57

Michigan resident.

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Regina Lilley, Community Member
11/24/11 9:12pm

Hi Donna, I am so sorry for your suffering. But no one in this administration cares. Dr. Sebelius who is one of Margaret Hamburg's (who is the new head of the FDA) flunkies is deaf to anyone who in my opinion isn't paying her bribe money! In my opinion Margaret Hamburg demands money from the drug companies if they want to keep their medication available and those who won't pay her protection money have their medicine taken off the market. We have an attorney who is Barbara Maw in Utah and she is filing petitions to get Darvocet reinstated, but she is fighting an uphill battle because they have the power on their side. You can reach her at info@barbaramawlaw.com and tell her your story. The main thing to remember is that Margaret Hamburg in my opinion is nothing more than a mobster thug and she is getting rich off of her power to deny medications that people need, but here is the important part...She is an Obama appointee, and if he goes in November then we stand a much greater chance of getting rid of Hamburg. We have been writing our Senators and telling them that the FDA needs to be dissovled but so far no one cares. They will only care when the FDA takes something they need off the market. Margaret Hamburg is in league with Dr. Sidney Wolfe who is the head of an organization called Public Citizen and he is working to have ALL medications taken off the market, he says we don't need anything, including tylenol and aspirin and Ibuprofen. She agrees with him, so as with all of Obamas programs you will no longer be able to decide what goes in your medicine cabinet, they will have a group of armed thugs who will kick your door down and inspect your medications, and if you have something that Hamburg and Wolfe do not think you need you will go to prison. These two are very dangerous, and they are right out of 1930's Germany and unless we vote Obama out we do not stand a chance. Hamburg removed Avastin, which is a very popular medication for breast cancer. The victims begged her at a hearing not to remove it, and the Oncology Doctors begged her not to remove it. But she didn't care, she doesn't need it so out it goes. The FDA needs to be disbanded and go away, all they do anymore is keep good medicine away from the people who need it. Ron Paul is running for President and his opinion is that it has become a corrupt organization at best and he too wants it gone! The breast cancer victims begged the company who makes Avastin to sue the FDA and Dr. Sebelius told them that if they did they would never get another drug approved by the FDA. Direct retaliation for defying those mobster thugs. So what Sebelius told the drug company was she didn't care if they came up with a cure for cancer she would see to it that the drug was denied approval because they dared to disagree with Hamburg and her Nazi like partners in crime! This isn't what the FDA was supposed to do. The head of the FDA wasn't supposed to use her power to kill off as many people as she could, but absolute power corrupts absolutely! Write letters to your representative in Congress, to the President, to as many tv stations as you can, but ultimately we need to vote out this idiot who is our President so we can clean house at the FDA. It is our only hope! The next thing she is going after are supplements...she is about to make herself the zsar of vitamins and glucosamine and in my opinion she is going to take those off the market who do not pay her price! We are in trouble here people and we need to be very proactive to get rid of Obama, before she comes for your medicine!

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MEM, Community Member
4/23/11 10:10am

Very interesting, Elyse.  Thank you for sharing.  If enough people would FLOOD the gates of the "powers that be" ~ whomever they might be ~ maybe we could get something done ~ because IT HAS BEEN DONE BEFORE!!  I'm not going to stop trying.  So far, nothing I have taken works like Darvocet.  Do you really suppose contacting the pharmaceutical company would help.

MEM

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MEM, Community Member
3/25/11 5:43pm

Regina, have you written to all these people you are suggesting?  If so, why don't you post the letters and we can all copy and send in as well.  Of course we might have to tweek it a bit for our own situation, but I just don't know what to say.  As you say, if enough of us write, maybe they'll do something.

 

MEM

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CJ, Community Member
3/28/11 6:42pm

Thank you for the names, addresses and phone numbers...I am in a situation similar to yours.  I have contacted my elected representatives and will use the information you provided to continue efforts to reverse this distastrous FDA decision.

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gigi, Community Member
7/27/11 11:51am

it seems that you are working hard regarding darvocet.  i am 70 yrs old and have taken darvocet for way over 20 years.  never a problem,ever.  i am a retired or nurse and would never have lasted without this med. 

 

since no one has the guts to help us out,hAVE YOU THOUGHT OF GOOD MORNING AMERICA, or nbc or cbs?  if they hear about this they may want to make it one of their projects on air.  just an idea.  miracles can happen when they are on national tv.  thanks for all you are doing.

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MEM, Community Member
7/28/11 1:40pm

Gigi, I agree with you.  I am 72 yrs old and have been taking Darvocet for over 30 years ~ with never a problem ~ ever.  I am a retired administrative assistant with the State of GA.  I've spoken with scores of people who just plain do not understand WHY this has happened ~ taking Darvocet off the market ~ including at least six doctors and at least that many registered pharmacists.  EVERY ONE of the doctors and pharmacists have stated they have never had any such report.  So, guess where the "hold-up" is?  Regina Lilley has spent countless hours researching this subject.  We're still "up against a brick well."  I would like to think FOX News would also help, but I just don't know where to start.   

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MEM, Community Member
7/28/11 1:40pm

Gigi, I agree with you.  I am 72 yrs old and have been taking Darvocet for over 30 years ~ with never a problem ~ ever.  I am a retired administrative assistant with the State of GA.  I've spoken with scores of people who just plain do not understand WHY this has happened ~ taking Darvocet off the market ~ including at least six doctors and at least that many registered pharmacists.  EVERY ONE of the doctors and pharmacists have stated they have never had any such report.  So, guess where the "hold-up" is?  Regina Lilley has spent countless hours researching this subject.  We're still "up against a brick well."  I would like to think FOX News would also help, but I just don't know where to start.   

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Carol, Community Member
8/11/11 7:57pm

I am 74 and have taken Darvocet for 29 years. I have had 7 spinal surgeries and Darvocet has been the only pill to help my pain and with NO side effects. My surgeon told me back in the early 80's that it was the safest pill to take (no addictions). I am very healthy otherwise and no other pain pill agrees with me. Even my doctor's do not agree that it should have been removed. Luckily I renewed a 3 month supply right before they took it off of the market so have cut the pill in half and still have enough left for times that I can't take the pain anymore. I can function as well as anyone eise when I take one. I find it very strange that it was taken off of the market when so many people did so well on it and it isn't a pill that is addictive and "sold on the streets". I still have hopes of it being put back on the market.

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Regina Lilley, Community Member
3/25/11 3:33pm

I just sent Neil Cavuto an e-mail. He has MS and he might help, but here is a couple of e-mail addresses:

cavuto@foxnews.com

ontherecord@foxnews.com

 

Send them your request for help in getting our stories out there.

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MEM, Community Member
3/25/11 5:39pm

Regina, you're too good!  How in the world do you find all this stuff out?  I watch FOX News almost exclusively ~ only watch a few cooking shows on the Food Network and House Hunters at night.  Other than that, my TV stays on FOX ~ and I have never heard this about Neil Cavuto. 

 

Mem

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MEM, Community Member
4/23/11 10:56am

Regina, I also sent Neil Cavuto an e-mail but have not received a reply.  Have you?  MEM

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Regina Lilley, Community Member
4/24/11 2:43pm

Nothing yet, I sent several e-mails but I don't know how long it takes or if he even sees them, he might have a screener. But I am still trying, I send one a day to him.

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MEM, Community Member
4/23/11 11:18am

Regina, did you receive a reply from your senator?  Emily ~ better known as MEM

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Regina Lilley, Community Member
4/24/11 2:41pm

After three e-mails to him I have not heard a word. I have sent an e-mail to Senator Guilliand and Senator Ron Paul. Ron Paul is the Senator from Texas and he would be the guy who might help us if we can send him enough e-mails and letters, you have to get on his site to send him an e-mail, but here are his addresses and phone numbers:

Washington, D.C.

203 Cannon House Office Bldg.

Washington, D.C. 20515

202-225-2831

 

Lake Jackson Texas

122 West Way, Suite 301

Lake Jackson, TX 77566

979-285-0231

 

Victoria Texas

1501 Mockingbird Lane, Suite 229

Victoria, Texas 77904

361-576-1231

 

We have to flood him with letters and e-mails and ask him to talk to the FDA about letting us have Darvocet back if we are willing to sign a release form. He is involved with questioning the FDA in other matters, and might help us.

I heard from an organization called the National Health Organization who agreed with me completely but they said they had so many other health issues they were dealing with, that they couldn't help me. So I told them that they were worthless and the only reason they won't help us is because we are Chronic Pain Sufferers and no one wants to help us because they view us as drug abusers and legal drug addicts, which we are not. I am still working on this every day and I will not give up, hope the rest of you do not give up as well.

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TimG, Community Member
4/25/11 8:38am

Hello, Regina and all. Ron Paul is the Representative from my district in Texas. His son Rand Paul, is the Senator from Kentucky. Ron Paul did answer my email on darvocet. This was his answerback email: Rep.Paul@mail.house.gov  Maybe we can get AARP involved? Timg

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Regina Lilley, Community Member
4/25/11 9:11pm

I opened that but I didn't see anything..I guess Ron Paul won't help either?

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Regina Lilley, Community Member
4/25/11 9:11pm

I opened that but I didn't see anything..I guess Ron Paul won't help either?

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TimG, Community Member
4/25/11 9:43pm

That is his email address! He and Kay Bailey Hutchison(r-Texas Senator) are the only ones who gave me a response that cared.

Tim

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Regina Lilley, Community Member
4/26/11 9:56am

Oh sorry misunderstood, I thought his reply was on that link. I have sent Ron Paul two e-mails but since I am not in his district I haven't heard anything. He clearly states that he might not respond to outsiders just because being the great Senator that he is, his people come first, as it should be. 

 

But everyone needs to remember to vote against Obama next year, because Dr. Margaret Hamburg is his appointee and like him she thinks she is too high up to respond to the rabble like us. She thinks she is too important to give us a voice and we need to have long memories, because if he goes, she might go also. But in the meantime we need to keep sending this elitist snob our letters. I am working on getting in touch with the FDA Advisory Committee right now, and as soon as I get anything I will post it here. I am not giving up!

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MEM, Community Member
4/25/11 10:23pm

I opened it and saw nothing as well.  MEM

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Regina Lilley, Community Member
4/26/11 10:02am

Ok here is what I found, Media Inquiries: Kathleen Quinn 1-301-827-6242.

CDER, Division of Advisory Committee and Consultant Management

Main Telephone No.: 301-796-9001

Director:
Jayne E. Peterson, B.S.Pharm., J.D.

Deputy Director:
LCDR Cicely Reese, Pharm.D.

Designated Federal Officer Team Leaders:

LT Nicole Vesely, Pharm.D.

Public Health Analyst Team Leaders:
Cynthia Abernethy

Susan Peters

Designated Federal Officers:

Kalyani Bhatt, B.Sc., M.S.

LT Minh Doan, Pharm.D.

Kristine Khuc, Pharm.D.

LCDR Diem-Kieu Ngo, Pharm.D., BCPS

Paul Tran, R.Ph.

LCDR Yvette Waples, Pharm.D.

Caleb Briggs, Pharm.D.

Philip Bautista, Pharm.D. 

LCDR Kristina Toliver, Pharm. D. 

Public Health Analysts:
CDR Karen Bryant, R.N., B.S.N.

Ji LaRose, Pharm.D.

LCDR Kevin Ma, M.H.A.

Christina Thompson, Pharm.D.

Anh Vu

Yinghua Wang, Pharm.D.

Derrice Ward-Davis, M.B.A., M.S.

Susan Rhee, Pharm.D.

Project Specialists:
Mary Barnes

John Lautmann

Joanna Malsch 

Janet O'Brien 

Technical Information Specialists:
LCDR Thiep Vo

LTJG Andy Duong

Office Manager:
Chris Shipe 

Division Writer/Editor:
Robin Spencer

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Regina Lilley, Community Member
4/26/11 11:09pm

I am posting this e-mail again, we need to keep up the pressure, send them 15 e-mails a day:

 

"INFO, CDER" <DRUGINFO@fda.hhs.gov>; 

 

Keep sending them e-mails asking them to let us have a release form to sign and then have our Darvocet back.

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TimG, Community Member
4/29/11 9:52pm

Here is the reply I got back from "our lobbying group-AARP"

I know it is long, but it shows how they missed the point!

Thanks for responding. I think maybe you did not understand the reason for the posting. I am not looking for an alternative, I am looking for help getting Darvocet re-approved! I am in contact with seniors everyday who would like to have this drug back. I thought since you are supposed to be an advocate for seniors, and I PAY to be a member, your organization would want to use your resources to help!   In a message dated 4/29/2011 7:20:07 A.M. Central Daylight Time, member@aarp.org writes:

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On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 09:08:33 -0400 you wrote:

>Below is the result of your feedback form.  It was submitted by
>Tim Griffith tgriff5328@aol.com on Monday, April 25, 2011 at
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>topic: Other - Member Benefits and Services
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>firstname: Tim
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>cityAddress:: Galveston
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>textmessage: As I am sure you are aware, darvocet was removed from
the market
>in February. This is a medicine my wife depended on. She suffers
from
>fibromyalgia has spent the whole weekend in pain. The darvocet would
make her
>life tolerable, but not even  Lyrica or vicodin is working as a
replacement. Is
>there any movement toward a lobbying effort to have this much needed
medication
>reinstated?
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Regina Lilley, Community Member
5/ 2/11 2:06pm

Hi Tim, following is a letter I sent to Jamie at AARP:

 

We need help getting Darvocet made available for us again. We are Chronic Pain Sufferers and we range in age but most of us are seniors. We have MS, Lupus, Disk Degenerative Disease, Fibromyalgia, Arthritis, Botched surgeries, and on and on. The FDA found a remote study that basically said that if you take Darvocet for 100 years you MIGHT experience some heart toxicity. We have been on Darvocet for over 20 years without ONE side effect. Darvocet is one of the safest drugs that was out there. It is a mild narcotic which enabled us to function without being loopy, sleepy, or having that drugged feeling. My Doctor said that it was probably the safest drug on the market at that time, and this heart toxicity thing was made up. We believe that an organization called Public Citizen had something to do with this removal. I believe that the study was manufactured by a group that was then given a grant by someone who wanted this drug removed. Here is the problem, there are hundreds of thousands of MS and Lupus patients who took Darvocet every day and it enabled them to function, hold jobs, and participate in their families. They have since lost their jobs, their homes, and have had to go on disability to survive. All this suffering because some self righteous "do gooder" took a medication and had a reaction. Instead of just not taking it anymore they campaigned to take it away from millions of people who needed it.  The human suffering is immeasurable! All the pain medicine that is out there now is thousands of times stronger and has horrible side effects which makes all of us bedridden or being rushed to the emergency room. About 3 years ago the FDA removed a popular MS drug from the market  which my doctor says was truly dangerous and the MS patients were up in arms about it and said that they needed it. The FDA allowed the MS patients to have it back if they would sign a release form, which they did. This is what we are asking for as well, allow those of us who were on it for over 20 years to sign a release form and have it back. It might not be too late for some of those MS and Lupus patients to get their jobs back. The FDA is not listening because they have a new head named Dr. Margaret Hamburg who is an Obama appointee and she doesn't care what  we "little people" have to say, she won't even read our letters or respond to us, she gets one of her flunkies to do it. No one will help us, and it is just a matter of time before they come for one of your medications, and these people are not going to forget this when elections come up. If you won't help us, at least ask someone there if they would help us, we are looking for an attorney to file a class action lawsuit against the FDA for the horrible suffering that has been caused by removing Darvocet. The FDA took a vote on this matter and they said they considered everything, but that isn't true, they never considered the people or the human implications that their vote would have on real people not just on paper. 

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Milbourne Whitt, Community Member
12/ 3/11 12:33pm

I too, have taken darvocet for about 20 years, and cannot find a replacement.  I tried tramadol, but that has too many side effects, especially constipation.  I believe that big drug manufacturers really faked the problems in order to get it off the market so eventually they could sell something for more, much more, money.  It's all about money.  I've read there are as many as 10 million taking daveocet, and looking for an alternative.  Those greedy ######## don't care who dies or who lives, and probably paid off the government people that we put our trust in.  So, big question:  Can the U.S. afford to put 10 million more people in Nursing Homes because they can no longer live and function living alone???

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Regina Lilley, Community Member
2/29/12 4:39pm
Well dr dobbs who is one of Margaret Hamburgs flunkies said we apply for special permission tovtake Darvocet if we could find a manufacturer. This is after the FDA removed Darvocet and shut down the manufacturers. How are we supposed find someone who will agree to make it in the hopes that the FDA won 't change their minds! Our only hope is to vote out Obama...Margaret Hamburg is his appointee and she answers to no one.. Our only hope to get our Darvocet back is a new administration she has made that clear! Vote Obama out and get our medicine back! Reply
debbie taylor, Community Member
1/26/12 3:47pm

I certainly hope we can get darvocet back on the market...I also have fibromyalgia and its the only pain med that helps and I can still work and function.....please keep me informed.


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Regina Lilley, Community Member
3/ 2/12 2:23pm

At this point the attorney who was going to file a class action lawsuit for us has decided not to do that. Our only hope is to vote out this moron in the White House because the two people Margaret Hamburg the head of the FDA and Kathleen Sebelius who is the head of Health and Human Services are the two who are keeping Darvocet off the market. They answer to no one, they do not have to follow any rules and they are Obama appointees and the only way to have a shot at getting our medicine back is a change in Administrations. It doesn't matter if you are left or right, if you want your Darvocet back we need to get rid of Margaret Hamburg and Kathleen Sebelius, and the only way they are going to leave is if we vote out their boss Obama! Even if you didn't take Darvocet you need to help us get them out because it is only a matter of time before they come for a medicine that you need! Trust me, this is the only way. When the breast cancer people wanted to keep their Avastin on the market they asked the drug company to sue the FDA and the drug company was told by the dynamic duo that if they sued the FDA they would see to it that no other drug that they put forward would ever be approved again! The powerful drug company backed down and did not sue. What chance do we have? Our only chance is to vote Obama out and these two will go with him!

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debbie taylor, Community Member
1/26/12 3:48pm

I certainly hope we can get darvocet back on the market...I also have fibromyalgia and its the only pain med that helps and I can still work and function.....please keep me informed.


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ForeverAmber, Community Member
2/ 3/13 10:19am
People are dying due to the change in inhaler propellant that was changed in 2008, to date the government has ignored the plea of the people, why would we expect any difference with Darvocet? ( I need both, Asthma, Severe Environmental and Food Allergies, Major Chemical Sensitivity, Chronic Fatigue Syndome, Fibromyalgia, Erythermalgia, Scoliosis, Arthritis, need I go on or say more? Sign This Petition to Legalize CFC Inhalers for the Millions of Patients Who Need them to Breathe as Well as Possible! Skim through the ConsumerAffairs.org's Reader's Comments pages. And here are about 5,000 more signatures and comments from our original petition. “These drug fellows pay for a lobby that makes the steel boys look like popcorn vendors… anyone who dares seek the truth will be accused of being a persecutor.” Senator Estes Kefauver, 1959 The CLRD (Chronic Lower Respiratory Disease, mainly asthma, COPD and cystic fibrosis) death rate increased by 10.3% in 2008 (most recent data available).                 13,166 more American men, women and children died from CLRD in 2008 than in 2007.      This is the equivalent of 506 Newtown school massacres (26 dead), or 10 such massacres every week, for 50 weeks.  CLRD rose from the 4th leading cause of death in the US in 2007 to the 3rd leading cause of death in 2008, according to the CDC.     Minor changes in "coding rules" cannot explain this sharp increase in the CLRD death rate, but this can: The US Government banned the use of 'gold standard' CFC (chlorofluorocarbon-propelled) rescue inhalers and replaced them with grossly inferior 'environmentally-friendly' HFA (hydrofluoroalkane-propelled) rescue inhalers in 2008, in order to comply with the Montreal Protocol on Substances that Deplete the Ozone Layer. Our Elected Officials in Congress and the White House who voted to adopt the ban of CFC inhalers by amending the Clean Air Act DID NOT KNOW and STILL DO NOT KNOW that: 1) The 'professional' medical organizations and non-profit organizations whose medical advice they relied upon and still rely upon (The U.S. Stakeholders' Group on MDI (metered-dose inhalers) Transition, aka The Patient Front Group) represent the drug companies' best interests (IPAC, The International Pharmaceutical Aerosol Consortium), NOT the patients' best interests, and, 2) The decisions these medical organizations made to support the ban of CFC inhalers, and more recently, to oppose the release of 1 million Primatene Mist rescue inhalers (which many patients strongly prefer to albuterol rescue inhalers), were made by only a handful of officers who run these organizations, NOT BY THE THOUSANDS OF  PHYSICIANS THEY CLAIM TO SPEAK FOR! Dr. Kerwin, pulmonologist, Congressional testimony: "I wanted to just state that I am a member of the American Thoracic Society for the last 10 years, a fellow of the American College of Allergy, and the American Academy of Allergy and never once have those organizations polled myself or any others of the general membership on the issue of Primatene and the safety of Primatene. So what I will tell you is these organizations are speaking on behalf of the administrative doctors working there but not on behalf of the general membership. (P.132, Line 2718) And you can be absolutely certain that the HANDFUL of hacks that ran these 'professional' medical organizations from 1996 until today, who assured Congress that HFA albuterol rescue inhalers were just as safe and effective as CFC albuterol rescue inhalers, and that CFC inhalers could therefore safely be banned (WITHOUT THE NEED FOR THOROUGH, PHASE 4 U.S. POSTMARKETING SAFETY TRIALS OF HFA INHALERS!) never polled their membership, either. Mr. Engel, U.S. Representative, D-NY: "I am co-chair of the Asthma and Allergy Caucus and I have worked with the asthma and allergy advocacy community for many years, and I have been surprised by their strong opposition to allowing Primatene Mist to continue to be sold." (P.169, Line 3580) You are certainly not alone, Congressman Engel. Hopefully, the above explanation will help you understand the depth and breadth of the enormous, multi-decade medical scandal underlying the ban of ALL CFC inhalers, including Primatene Mist. Regarding Primatene Mist specifically, we know that it is NOT the terribly dangerous drug (assuming proper use) that hacks such as Dr. Monica Kraft, President of the American Thoracic Society (ATS) claim it is, because: 1) It has been sold Over-The-Counter for 50 (fifty) years without even 1 (one) cardiac Adverse Event reported, according to its manufacturer, Amphastar, (P. 171, Lines 3617, 3626) and, 2) One puff of Primatene Mist contains less epinephrine (.22 mg) than a single EpiPen auto-injection (.3 mg), and neither Dr. Monica Kraft, nor any of her fellow hacks in The Patient Front Group is clamoring for the removal of EpiPens from the market. (On the contrary, one of her fellow hacks, Nancy Sanders (AANMA), is promoting the spread of EpiPen availability in schools throughout the country to prevent needless asthma deaths, via her "Epi Everywhere! Every Day!" campaign, while simultaneously OPPOSING the release of the last 1 million units of Primatene Mist inhalers to patients who are begging for them, on medical safety grounds!) However, Dr. Monica Kraft, and her fellow Patient Front Group hacks are deafeningly silent on the horrible safety record of HFA inhalers (vs. the CFC inhalers they pressured the FDA to ban). Why is that? Just follow the money.     The three medical groups primarily responsible for alerting the US Government to this HFA inhaler-induced disaster, The American Academy of Allergy, Asthma and Immunology (AAAAI), The American Thoracic Society (ATS), and The American Lung Association (ALA), have instead chosen to lie about it and deny it, on behalf of their drug company (IPAC, International Pharmaceutical Aerosol Consortium) and EPA (Environmental Protection Agency) patrons.       The ALA has received tens of millions of taxpayer dollars from the EPA over the years to serve as the EPA's de facto PR Department, and the AAAAI, ATS, and the other members of the Patient Front Group have likewise been corrupted by the enormous sums of money that they (and many of their 'thought leaders') have received from drug companies over the years, in various ways. They never were, and are not now, the independent experts they pretend to be.     They disgraced themselves by pressuring the FDA to speed up the ban of CFC inhalers without bothering to make sure that long-term, 'real world' US postmarketing safety trials comparing HFA to CFC rescue inhalers were done first, on behalf of their 40 million patients, who naively trusted them. These trials would have clearly revealed the grossly inferior safety and effectiveness of HFA inhalers.     This type of postmarketing study WAS done (for only 3 months) in the UK, and 3.8% of the HFA albuterol inhaler test patients had to quit the study due to side effects from the HFA inhalers, compared to a 0.2% dropout rate for the CFC albuterol inhaler test patients. A New Zealand clinical trial was even more damning of HFA albuterol inhalers: "In this study, half of those on the CFC-free (HFA) inhaler developed unstable asthma and 93% of those remaining had demonstrably worse asthma."     HFA rescue inhalers should have been tested on COPD and cystic fibrosis patients in addition to being tested on healthier, mild and moderate asthma patients (so-called 'well-groomed' patient populations), although HFA inhalers were clearly much more dangerous even in the pathetic, short-term, 'asthma only' US clinical trials that were done. The original manufacturer of the first HFA albuterol inhaler (Schering-Plough, now owned by Merck) was required to disclose this on their Proventil HFA homepage before the CFC inhaler ban: "Rapid heartbeat, vomiting, chest pain and palpitation occurs more frequently with Proventil HFA (than with CFC albuterol)." And the original manufacturer of the second HFA albuterol inhaler (GlaxoWellcome, now GlaxoSmithKline), was required to disclose this in Ventolin HFA’s New Drug Application (NDA #20983, p.6) to the FDA: "Unfavorable changes in physical examinations were observed in the ears, nose, and throat category as follows: 8% HFA placebo (HFA-134a propellant gas alone); 13% HFA albuterol (Ventolin HFA); and 5% albuterol CFC (the good stuff, that the US Government banned)." There was never ONE SHRED OF EVIDENCE that negligible CFC inhaler emissions (less than .5% of peak global CFC emissions), in and of themselves, were capable of depleting the stratospheric ozone layer sufficient to cause an increase in ground-level UV-B radiation, resulting in increased cases of malignant melanoma.     On the contrary, we know that stratospheric ozone depletion IS NOT a cause of increased malignant melanoma rates over the last few decades: "During the period 1957-1984 the annual age-adjusted incidence rate of cutaneous malignant melanoma (CMM) increased by 350% for men and 440% for women in Norway. The annual exposure to carcinogenic sunlight in Norway, calculated by use of measured ozone levels, showed no increasing trend during the same period. Thus, ozone depletion is not a cause of the increasing trend of the incidence rates of skin cancers." But now we ALSO know that the ban of CFC inhalers has resulted in a huge increase in pain, suffering and death of millions of innocent Americans (and patients throughout the world). Congratulations to the radical environmental mafia (the U.S. EPA) and drug company crony capitalists (IPAC) responsible for the ban of CFC rescue inhalers in 2008. Truly, a marriage made in Hell. And well done, AAAAI, ATS and ALA. How does it feel to know that your failure to DEMAND that long-term, 'real world' US postmarketing (Phase 4) studies for HFA albuterol be done before supporting the CFC inhaler ban directly resulted in  over 13,000 more CLRD deaths in 2008 over 2007?         For decades, your mantra has been that asthma is a highly individualized disease, and the drugs that help one patient may not help another. Your support of the CFC inhaler ban removed many safe, effective CFC inhaled medications (not just albuterol) and replaced them with their poorly tested HFA inhaler counterparts, under the assumption that since the active ingredients were virtually the same, there was nothing to worry about. This was a very deadly mistake on your part, and one that could have been easily avoided, if you cared more about your responsibility to your 40 million patients than to the financial interests of your drug company bosses (IPAC), or the political interests of the EPA, in the case of the American Lung Association. Dr. John Jenkins (FDA): "you need to remember that the new (HFA inhaler) formulations are new drugs, they often have different excipients (inactive ingredients), and different devices, so there are additional needs for more extended studies for those for safety purposes, as well as durability of the efficacy response." p. 302, 1997 FDA Advisory meeting      So why didn't you see to it that those 'extended safety studies' for HFA inhalers were done, John, instead of just flapping your gums about them? Dr. John Jenkins (FDA): "There are documented cases where patients may be responding to an excipient, for example, an inactive ingredient that's in one formulation that's not in another formulation." p. 194 1999 FDA Advisory meeting Even when the ACTIVE INGREDIENTS in a CFC inhaled medication and an HFA inhaled medication are virtually identical (i.e., albuterol base vs. albuterol sulfate, respectively), the INACTIVE INGREDIENTS, (including the HFA-134a gas itself (we have a growing number of doctors who are convinced that the HFA-134a gas itself sickens their patients and aggravates their underlying disease*), corn-sourced ethanol, not good for some corn-allergic patients, and proven to cause bronchoconstriction in at least some asthmatics, etc.), and DEGRADATION BYPRODUCTS (extractables and leachables) in these formulations are completely different and potentially toxic, and THIS is what is causing the decreased safety and effectiveness of HFA inhalers- NOT the active ingredients. *Fun Fact #1: Did you know that HFA-134a gas, by itself, was never tested on asthma, COPD or cystic fibrosis patients when it was chosen by IPAC as a replacement for the 'gold standard' CFC-11,12 propellant gases? It was only tested on a few normal, healthy volunteers. Normal, healthy volunteers tend not to have hyperreactive airways, allergies and diseased lungs, as CLRD patients do. Fun Fact #2: Did you know that not only were HFA inhalers never subjected to long-term, 'real world' US postmarketing (Phase 4) safety studies, but in addition, the FDA cut corners on both their preclinical and clinical trials  (at the suggestion of their drug company bosses, aka IPAC, the International Pharmaceutical Aerosol Consortium) by using substandard, watered-down trial protocols known as the "bridging approach" in order to be able to approve this raw sewage (HFA inhalers) as fast as possible? Dr. John Jenkins (FDA): "A more limited or bridging approach was developed for the pre-clinical safety testing of the new (HFA inhaler) formulations... " p.22, 1997 FDA Advisory meeting Dr. John Jenkins (FDA): "Similar to the preclinical safety battery... the recommended clinical development programs for the most part represent a bridging approach." p. 23, 1997 FDA Advisory meeting      Dr. John Jenkins (FDA): "There is all the other criteria that have to be met (for FDA approval of HFA inhalers), of patient acceptability, serving patient needs... safety data from the large postmarketing experience..." p.257, 1997 FDA Advisory meeting Why don't you release that "safety data from the large postmarketing experience" for HFA albuterol inhalers, John? Fun Fact #3: Did you know that the FDA never bothered reviewing any U.S. HFA inhaler postmarketing safety data (MedWatch data) even though it was legally required to use this U.S. data in order to be able to "find" that patients were "adequately served" by HFA albuterol (per FDA Final Rule 21 CFR 2.125), before they could ban CFC albuterol? Dr. Erik Swenson (pulmonologist): "we really didn't see any data regarding the safety and the track record (of HFA albuterol). Can you give us a brief synopsis? I suspect, because they have been out as long as they have*, they are probably safe. But can you tell us so from your data monitoring?" 2004 FDA Advisory meeting p.243 Dr. Robert Meyer (FDA, Dr. John Jenkins' protege, now working for Merck, the manufacturer of Proventil HFA albuterol inhalers): "I think for the purposes of the proposed rule, we really didn't contest that this was not the case." 2004 FDA Advisory meeting p.244     In other words, the FDA effectively banned CFC albuterol ILLEGALLY, without the required HFA albuterol "safety data from the large postmarketing experience" required per 21 CFR 2.125, isn't that right, John?  *Very few patients used HFA albuterol inhalers before 2005, when the Patient Front Group encouraged doctors to "transition" their patients over to HFA inhalers (before IPAC's brilliantly-orchestrated* ban of CFC albuterol inhalers would take effect). Before 2005, HFA albuterol inhalers only had about 1% market share, because they were more dangerous, less effective, and much more expensive than generic CFC albuterol inhalers. *(IPAC/EPA/Patient Front Group lies notwithstanding, the Montreal Protocol DID NOT require and WOULD NEVER have required the banning of CFC inhalers, until the US EPA forced through Decision IX/19 Part 5, at the 9th Meeting of the Parties, in September 1997.)  The U.S. imposed the CFC inhaler ban on the Montreal Protocol. The Montreal Protocol DID NOT impose the CFC inhaler ban on the U.S. until WE forced it to, thanks to IPAC and the EPA.             Fun Fact #4: We did the FDA's job for them and summarized the US MedWatch data for HFA and CFC rescue inhalers in a simple chart (with links to the raw data) from 2005 to 2008, and the results are clear enough so that even Monica Kraft, MD, the President of the American Thoracic Society, should be able to understand them. (We are well aware that many, probably most of the doctors who treat CLRD patients know the truth about the superiority of CFC inhalers, and a few of them are brave enough to publicly state the truth in the face of enormous peer pressure, propaganda and GroupThink orchestrated by the Patient Front Group, IPAC and the EPA.)      Dr. John Jenkins (FDA): "So when we approve these non-CFC (HFA) alternative products, there's an intent through the Montreal Protocol and the Clean Air Act that if those are acceptable to patients, they're (HFA asthma inhalers) going to replace the old (CFC) products, and part of the question we're trying to get answers from you are, how can we be certain that we're not going to make things worse?" p. 172, 1999 FDA Advisory meeting Well, John, the only way you could have been certain that you were not going to "make things worse" would have been to DO YOUR JOB and ENSURE that HFA inhalers were THOROUGHLY tested over a number of YEARS BEFORE banning CFC albuterol. But you knew that. A Question For Dr. John Jenkins, FDA: You were responsible for the safety testing of HFA albuterol rescue inhalers. You knew that since these would TOTALLY REPLACE CFC albuterol rescue inhalers, U.S. long-term, 'real world' (Phase 4) postmarketing studies were LEGALLY required per 21 CFR 2.125, as your quotes prove; the health and safety of 40 million Americans was at stake.       Not only did you fail to require that these thorough, rigorous postmarketing safety studies be done before effectively banning CFC albuterol, but in addition, you allowed the watered-down, limited "bridging approach" to be used at the pre-clinical and clinical trial levels for HFA Albuterol. Now the chickens have come home to roost, and we have an enormous increase in unnecessary pain, suffering and death among CLRD patients, largely because YOU FAILED TO DO YOUR JOB. (Over 13,000 avoidable deaths in 2008, alone.)  Dr. John Jenkins, can you give us one good reason why you should not be immediately fired from the FDA (he's now the Director of the Office of New Drugs) and prosecuted for Criminal Negligence? Criminal Negligence: "The failure to use reasonable care to avoid consequences that threaten or harm the safety of the public and that are the foreseeable outcome of acting in a particular manner."                     If you respect human life more than environmental junk science and drug company crony capitalism, please sign this petition now!         We will never give your contact information to anyone other than Congress and the President, once a suitable number of signatures has been obtained. The only reason that we ask for your Street Address is because this is necessary for the signatures to be considered credible. All of the information you enter on this page, as well as on our donation page, is fully protected by 256K SSL encryption. 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ForeverAmber, Community Member
2/ 3/13 10:25am
People are dying due to the change in inhaler propellant that was changed in 2008, to date the government has ignored the plea of the people, why would we expect any difference with Darvocet? ( I need both, Asthma, Severe Environmental and Food Allergies, Major Chemical Sensitivity, Chronic Fatigue Syndome, Fibromyalgia, Erythermalgia, Scoliosis, Arthritis, need I go on or say more? Sign This Petition to Legalize CFC Inhalers for the Millions of Patients Who Need them to Breathe as Well as Possible! Skim through the ConsumerAffairs.org's Reader's Comments pages. And here are about 5,000 more signatures and comments from our original petition. “These drug fellows pay for a lobby that makes the steel boys look like popcorn vendors… anyone who dares seek the truth will be accused of being a persecutor.” Senator Estes Kefauver, 1959 The CLRD (Chronic Lower Respiratory Disease, mainly asthma, COPD and cystic fibrosis) death rate increased by 10.3% in 2008 (most recent data available).                 13,166 more American men, women and children died from CLRD in 2008 than in 2007.      This is the equivalent of 506 Newtown school massacres (26 dead), or 10 such massacres every week, for 50 weeks.  CLRD rose from the 4th leading cause of death in the US in 2007 to the 3rd leading cause of death in 2008, according to the CDC.     Minor changes in "coding rules" cannot explain this sharp increase in the CLRD death rate, but this can: The US Government banned the use of 'gold standard' CFC (chlorofluorocarbon-propelled) rescue inhalers and replaced them with grossly inferior 'environmentally-friendly' HFA (hydrofluoroalkane-propelled) rescue inhalers in 2008, in order to comply with the Montreal Protocol on Substances that Deplete the Ozone Layer. Our Elected Officials in Congress and the White House who voted to adopt the ban of CFC inhalers by amending the Clean Air Act DID NOT KNOW and STILL DO NOT KNOW that: 1) The 'professional' medical organizations and non-profit organizations whose medical advice they relied upon and still rely upon (The U.S. Stakeholders' Group on MDI (metered-dose inhalers) Transition, aka The Patient Front Group) represent the drug companies' best interests (IPAC, The International Pharmaceutical Aerosol Consortium), NOT the patients' best interests, and, 2) The decisions these medical organizations made to support the ban of CFC inhalers, and more recently, to oppose the release of 1 million Primatene Mist rescue inhalers (which many patients strongly prefer to albuterol rescue inhalers), were made by only a handful of officers who run these organizations, NOT BY THE THOUSANDS OF  PHYSICIANS THEY CLAIM TO SPEAK FOR! Dr. Kerwin, pulmonologist, Congressional testimony: "I wanted to just state that I am a member of the American Thoracic Society for the last 10 years, a fellow of the American College of Allergy, and the American Academy of Allergy and never once have those organizations polled myself or any others of the general membership on the issue of Primatene and the safety of Primatene. So what I will tell you is these organizations are speaking on behalf of the administrative doctors working there but not on behalf of the general membership. (P.132, Line 2718) And you can be absolutely certain that the HANDFUL of hacks that ran these 'professional' medical organizations from 1996 until today, who assured Congress that HFA albuterol rescue inhalers were just as safe and effective as CFC albuterol rescue inhalers, and that CFC inhalers could therefore safely be banned (WITHOUT THE NEED FOR THOROUGH, PHASE 4 U.S. POSTMARKETING SAFETY TRIALS OF HFA INHALERS!) never polled their membership, either. Mr. Engel, U.S. Representative, D-NY: "I am co-chair of the Asthma and Allergy Caucus and I have worked with the asthma and allergy advocacy community for many years, and I have been surprised by their strong opposition to allowing Primatene Mist to continue to be sold." (P.169, Line 3580) You are certainly not alone, Congressman Engel. Hopefully, the above explanation will help you understand the depth and breadth of the enormous, multi-decade medical scandal underlying the ban of ALL CFC inhalers, including Primatene Mist. Regarding Primatene Mist specifically, we know that it is NOT the terribly dangerous drug (assuming proper use) that hacks such as Dr. Monica Kraft, President of the American Thoracic Society (ATS) claim it is, because: 1) It has been sold Over-The-Counter for 50 (fifty) years without even 1 (one) cardiac Adverse Event reported, according to its manufacturer, Amphastar, (P. 171, Lines 3617, 3626) and, 2) One puff of Primatene Mist contains less epinephrine (.22 mg) than a single EpiPen auto-injection (.3 mg), and neither Dr. Monica Kraft, nor any of her fellow hacks in The Patient Front Group is clamoring for the removal of EpiPens from the market. (On the contrary, one of her fellow hacks, Nancy Sanders (AANMA), is promoting the spread of EpiPen availability in schools throughout the country to prevent needless asthma deaths, via her "Epi Everywhere! Every Day!" campaign, while simultaneously OPPOSING the release of the last 1 million units of Primatene Mist inhalers to patients who are begging for them, on medical safety grounds!) However, Dr. Monica Kraft, and her fellow Patient Front Group hacks are deafeningly silent on the horrible safety record of HFA inhalers (vs. the CFC inhalers they pressured the FDA to ban). Why is that? Just follow the money.     The three medical groups primarily responsible for alerting the US Government to this HFA inhaler-induced disaster, The American Academy of Allergy, Asthma and Immunology (AAAAI), The American Thoracic Society (ATS), and The American Lung Association (ALA), have instead chosen to lie about it and deny it, on behalf of their drug company (IPAC, International Pharmaceutical Aerosol Consortium) and EPA (Environmental Protection Agency) patrons.       The ALA has received tens of millions of taxpayer dollars from the EPA over the years to serve as the EPA's de facto PR Department, and the AAAAI, ATS, and the other members of the Patient Front Group have likewise been corrupted by the enormous sums of money that they (and many of their 'thought leaders') have received from drug companies over the years, in various ways. They never were, and are not now, the independent experts they pretend to be.     They disgraced themselves by pressuring the FDA to speed up the ban of CFC inhalers without bothering to make sure that long-term, 'real world' US postmarketing safety trials comparing HFA to CFC rescue inhalers were done first, on behalf of their 40 million patients, who naively trusted them. These trials would have clearly revealed the grossly inferior safety and effectiveness of HFA inhalers.     This type of postmarketing study WAS done (for only 3 months) in the UK, and 3.8% of the HFA albuterol inhaler test patients had to quit the study due to side effects from the HFA inhalers, compared to a 0.2% dropout rate for the CFC albuterol inhaler test patients. A New Zealand clinical trial was even more damning of HFA albuterol inhalers: "In this study, half of those on the CFC-free (HFA) inhaler developed unstable asthma and 93% of those remaining had demonstrably worse asthma."     HFA rescue inhalers should have been tested on COPD and cystic fibrosis patients in addition to being tested on healthier, mild and moderate asthma patients (so-called 'well-groomed' patient populations), although HFA inhalers were clearly much more dangerous even in the pathetic, short-term, 'asthma only' US clinical trials that were done. The original manufacturer of the first HFA albuterol inhaler (Schering-Plough, now owned by Merck) was required to disclose this on their Proventil HFA homepage before the CFC inhaler ban: "Rapid heartbeat, vomiting, chest pain and palpitation occurs more frequently with Proventil HFA (than with CFC albuterol)." And the original manufacturer of the second HFA albuterol inhaler (GlaxoWellcome, now GlaxoSmithKline), was required to disclose this in Ventolin HFA’s New Drug Application (NDA #20983, p.6) to the FDA: "Unfavorable changes in physical examinations were observed in the ears, nose, and throat category as follows: 8% HFA placebo (HFA-134a propellant gas alone); 13% HFA albuterol (Ventolin HFA); and 5% albuterol CFC (the good stuff, that the US Government banned)." There was never ONE SHRED OF EVIDENCE that negligible CFC inhaler emissions (less than .5% of peak global CFC emissions), in and of themselves, were capable of depleting the stratospheric ozone layer sufficient to cause an increase in ground-level UV-B radiation, resulting in increased cases of malignant melanoma.     On the contrary, we know that stratospheric ozone depletion IS NOT a cause of increased malignant melanoma rates over the last few decades: "During the period 1957-1984 the annual age-adjusted incidence rate of cutaneous malignant melanoma (CMM) increased by 350% for men and 440% for women in Norway. The annual exposure to carcinogenic sunlight in Norway, calculated by use of measured ozone levels, showed no increasing trend during the same period. Thus, ozone depletion is not a cause of the increasing trend of the incidence rates of skin cancers." But now we ALSO know that the ban of CFC inhalers has resulted in a huge increase in pain, suffering and death of millions of innocent Americans (and patients throughout the world). Congratulations to the radical environmental mafia (the U.S. EPA) and drug company crony capitalists (IPAC) responsible for the ban of CFC rescue inhalers in 2008. Truly, a marriage made in Hell. And well done, AAAAI, ATS and ALA. How does it feel to know that your failure to DEMAND that long-term, 'real world' US postmarketing (Phase 4) studies for HFA albuterol be done before supporting the CFC inhaler ban directly resulted in  over 13,000 more CLRD deaths in 2008 over 2007?         For decades, your mantra has been that asthma is a highly individualized disease, and the drugs that help one patient may not help another. Your support of the CFC inhaler ban removed many safe, effective CFC inhaled medications (not just albuterol) and replaced them with their poorly tested HFA inhaler counterparts, under the assumption that since the active ingredients were virtually the same, there was nothing to worry about. This was a very deadly mistake on your part, and one that could have been easily avoided, if you cared more about your responsibility to your 40 million patients than to the financial interests of your drug company bosses (IPAC), or the political interests of the EPA, in the case of the American Lung Association. Dr. John Jenkins (FDA): "you need to remember that the new (HFA inhaler) formulations are new drugs, they often have different excipients (inactive ingredients), and different devices, so there are additional needs for more extended studies for those for safety purposes, as well as durability of the efficacy response." p. 302, 1997 FDA Advisory meeting      So why didn't you see to it that those 'extended safety studies' for HFA inhalers were done, John, instead of just flapping your gums about them? Dr. John Jenkins (FDA): "There are documented cases where patients may be responding to an excipient, for example, an inactive ingredient that's in one formulation that's not in another formulation." p. 194 1999 FDA Advisory meeting Even when the ACTIVE INGREDIENTS in a CFC inhaled medication and an HFA inhaled medication are virtually identical (i.e., albuterol base vs. albuterol sulfate, respectively), the INACTIVE INGREDIENTS, (including the HFA-134a gas itself (we have a growing number of doctors who are convinced that the HFA-134a gas itself sickens their patients and aggravates their underlying disease*), corn-sourced ethanol, not good for some corn-allergic patients, and proven to cause bronchoconstriction in at least some asthmatics, etc.), and DEGRADATION BYPRODUCTS (extractables and leachables) in these formulations are completely different and potentially toxic, and THIS is what is causing the decreased safety and effectiveness of HFA inhalers- NOT the active ingredients. *Fun Fact #1: Did you know that HFA-134a gas, by itself, was never tested on asthma, COPD or cystic fibrosis patients when it was chosen by IPAC as a replacement for the 'gold standard' CFC-11,12 propellant gases? It was only tested on a few normal, healthy volunteers. Normal, healthy volunteers tend not to have hyperreactive airways, allergies and diseased lungs, as CLRD patients do. Fun Fact #2: Did you know that not only were HFA inhalers never subjected to long-term, 'real world' US postmarketing (Phase 4) safety studies, but in addition, the FDA cut corners on both their preclinical and clinical trials  (at the suggestion of their drug company bosses, aka IPAC, the International Pharmaceutical Aerosol Consortium) by using substandard, watered-down trial protocols known as the "bridging approach" in order to be able to approve this raw sewage (HFA inhalers) as fast as possible? Dr. John Jenkins (FDA): "A more limited or bridging approach was developed for the pre-clinical safety testing of the new (HFA inhaler) formulations... " p.22, 1997 FDA Advisory meeting Dr. John Jenkins (FDA): "Similar to the preclinical safety battery... the recommended clinical development programs for the most part represent a bridging approach." p. 23, 1997 FDA Advisory meeting      Dr. John Jenkins (FDA): "There is all the other criteria that have to be met (for FDA approval of HFA inhalers), of patient acceptability, serving patient needs... safety data from the large postmarketing experience..." p.257, 1997 FDA Advisory meeting Why don't you release that "safety data from the large postmarketing experience" for HFA albuterol inhalers, John? Fun Fact #3: Did you know that the FDA never bothered reviewing any U.S. HFA inhaler postmarketing safety data (MedWatch data) even though it was legally required to use this U.S. data in order to be able to "find" that patients were "adequately served" by HFA albuterol (per FDA Final Rule 21 CFR 2.125), before they could ban CFC albuterol? Dr. Erik Swenson (pulmonologist): "we really didn't see any data regarding the safety and the track record (of HFA albuterol). Can you give us a brief synopsis? I suspect, because they have been out as long as they have*, they are probably safe. But can you tell us so from your data monitoring?" 2004 FDA Advisory meeting p.243 Dr. Robert Meyer (FDA, Dr. John Jenkins' protege, now working for Merck, the manufacturer of Proventil HFA albuterol inhalers): "I think for the purposes of the proposed rule, we really didn't contest that this was not the case." 2004 FDA Advisory meeting p.244     In other words, the FDA effectively banned CFC albuterol ILLEGALLY, without the required HFA albuterol "safety data from the large postmarketing experience" required per 21 CFR 2.125, isn't that right, John?  *Very few patients used HFA albuterol inhalers before 2005, when the Patient Front Group encouraged doctors to "transition" their patients over to HFA inhalers (before IPAC's brilliantly-orchestrated* ban of CFC albuterol inhalers would take effect). Before 2005, HFA albuterol inhalers only had about 1% market share, because they were more dangerous, less effective, and much more expensive than generic CFC albuterol inhalers. *(IPAC/EPA/Patient Front Group lies notwithstanding, the Montreal Protocol DID NOT require and WOULD NEVER have required the banning of CFC inhalers, until the US EPA forced through Decision IX/19 Part 5, at the 9th Meeting of the Parties, in September 1997.)  The U.S. imposed the CFC inhaler ban on the Montreal Protocol. The Montreal Protocol DID NOT impose the CFC inhaler ban on the U.S. until WE forced it to, thanks to IPAC and the EPA.             Fun Fact #4: We did the FDA's job for them and summarized the US MedWatch data for HFA and CFC rescue inhalers in a simple chart (with links to the raw data) from 2005 to 2008, and the results are clear enough so that even Monica Kraft, MD, the President of the American Thoracic Society, should be able to understand them. (We are well aware that many, probably most of the doctors who treat CLRD patients know the truth about the superiority of CFC inhalers, and a few of them are brave enough to publicly state the truth in the face of enormous peer pressure, propaganda and GroupThink orchestrated by the Patient Front Group, IPAC and the EPA.)      Dr. John Jenkins (FDA): "So when we approve these non-CFC (HFA) alternative products, there's an intent through the Montreal Protocol and the Clean Air Act that if those are acceptable to patients, they're (HFA asthma inhalers) going to replace the old (CFC) products, and part of the question we're trying to get answers from you are, how can we be certain that we're not going to make things worse?" p. 172, 1999 FDA Advisory meeting Well, John, the only way you could have been certain that you were not going to "make things worse" would have been to DO YOUR JOB and ENSURE that HFA inhalers were THOROUGHLY tested over a number of YEARS BEFORE banning CFC albuterol. But you knew that. A Question For Dr. John Jenkins, FDA: You were responsible for the safety testing of HFA albuterol rescue inhalers. You knew that since these would TOTALLY REPLACE CFC albuterol rescue inhalers, U.S. long-term, 'real world' (Phase 4) postmarketing studies were LEGALLY required per 21 CFR 2.125, as your quotes prove; the health and safety of 40 million Americans was at stake.       Not only did you fail to require that these thorough, rigorous postmarketing safety studies be done before effectively banning CFC albuterol, but in addition, you allowed the watered-down, limited "bridging approach" to be used at the pre-clinical and clinical trial levels for HFA Albuterol. Now the chickens have come home to roost, and we have an enormous increase in unnecessary pain, suffering and death among CLRD patients, largely because YOU FAILED TO DO YOUR JOB. (Over 13,000 avoidable deaths in 2008, alone.)  Dr. John Jenkins, can you give us one good reason why you should not be immediately fired from the FDA (he's now the Director of the Office of New Drugs) and prosecuted for Criminal Negligence? Criminal Negligence: "The failure to use reasonable care to avoid consequences that threaten or harm the safety of the public and that are the foreseeable outcome of acting in a particular manner."                     If you respect human life more than environmental junk science and drug company crony capitalism, please sign this petition now!         We will never give your contact information to anyone other than Congress and the President, once a suitable number of signatures has been obtained. The only reason that we ask for your Street Address is because this is necessary for the signatures to be considered credible. All of the information you enter on this page, as well as on our donation page, is fully protected by 256K SSL encryption. 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ForeverAmber, Community Member
2/ 3/13 10:28am
People are dying due to the change in inhaler propellant that was changed in 2008, to date the government has ignored the plea of the people, why would we expect any difference with Darvocet? ( I need both, Asthma, Severe Environmental and Food Allergies, Major Chemical Sensitivity, Chronic Fatigue Syndome, Fibromyalgia, Erythermalgia, Scoliosis, Arthritis, need I go on or say more? Sign This Petition to Legalize CFC Inhalers for the Millions of Patients Who Need them to Breathe as Well as Possible! Skim through the ConsumerAffairs.org's Reader's Comments pages. And here are about 5,000 more signatures and comments from our original petition. “These drug fellows pay for a lobby that makes the steel boys look like popcorn vendors… anyone who dares seek the truth will be accused of being a persecutor.” Senator Estes Kefauver, 1959 The CLRD (Chronic Lower Respiratory Disease, mainly asthma, COPD and cystic fibrosis) death rate increased by 10.3% in 2008 (most recent data available).                 13,166 more American men, women and children died from CLRD in 2008 than in 2007.      This is the equivalent of 506 Newtown school massacres (26 dead), or 10 such massacres every week, for 50 weeks.  CLRD rose from the 4th leading cause of death in the US in 2007 to the 3rd leading cause of death in 2008, according to the CDC.     Minor changes in "coding rules" cannot explain this sharp increase in the CLRD death rate, but this can: The US Government banned the use of 'gold standard' CFC (chlorofluorocarbon-propelled) rescue inhalers and replaced them with grossly inferior 'environmentally-friendly' HFA (hydrofluoroalkane-propelled) rescue inhalers in 2008, in order to comply with the Montreal Protocol on Substances that Deplete the Ozone Layer. Our Elected Officials in Congress and the White House who voted to adopt the ban of CFC inhalers by amending the Clean Air Act DID NOT KNOW and STILL DO NOT KNOW that: 1) The 'professional' medical organizations and non-profit organizations whose medical advice they relied upon and still rely upon (The U.S. Stakeholders' Group on MDI (metered-dose inhalers) Transition, aka The Patient Front Group) represent the drug companies' best interests (IPAC, The International Pharmaceutical Aerosol Consortium), NOT the patients' best interests, and, 2) The decisions these medical organizations made to support the ban of CFC inhalers, and more recently, to oppose the release of 1 million Primatene Mist rescue inhalers (which many patients strongly prefer to albuterol rescue inhalers), were made by only a handful of officers who run these organizations, NOT BY THE THOUSANDS OF  PHYSICIANS THEY CLAIM TO SPEAK FOR! Dr. Kerwin, pulmonologist, Congressional testimony: "I wanted to just state that I am a member of the American Thoracic Society for the last 10 years, a fellow of the American College of Allergy, and the American Academy of Allergy and never once have those organizations polled myself or any others of the general membership on the issue of Primatene and the safety of Primatene. So what I will tell you is these organizations are speaking on behalf of the administrative doctors working there but not on behalf of the general membership. (P.132, Line 2718) And you can be absolutely certain that the HANDFUL of hacks that ran these 'professional' medical organizations from 1996 until today, who assured Congress that HFA albuterol rescue inhalers were just as safe and effective as CFC albuterol rescue inhalers, and that CFC inhalers could therefore safely be banned (WITHOUT THE NEED FOR THOROUGH, PHASE 4 U.S. POSTMARKETING SAFETY TRIALS OF HFA INHALERS!) never polled their membership, either. Mr. Engel, U.S. Representative, D-NY: "I am co-chair of the Asthma and Allergy Caucus and I have worked with the asthma and allergy advocacy community for many years, and I have been surprised by their strong opposition to allowing Primatene Mist to continue to be sold." (P.169, Line 3580) You are certainly not alone, Congressman Engel. Hopefully, the above explanation will help you understand the depth and breadth of the enormous, multi-decade medical scandal underlying the ban of ALL CFC inhalers, including Primatene Mist. Regarding Primatene Mist specifically, we know that it is NOT the terribly dangerous drug (assuming proper use) that hacks such as Dr. Monica Kraft, President of the American Thoracic Society (ATS) claim it is, because: 1) It has been sold Over-The-Counter for 50 (fifty) years without even 1 (one) cardiac Adverse Event reported, according to its manufacturer, Amphastar, (P. 171, Lines 3617, 3626) and, 2) One puff of Primatene Mist contains less epinephrine (.22 mg) than a single EpiPen auto-injection (.3 mg), and neither Dr. Monica Kraft, nor any of her fellow hacks in The Patient Front Group is clamoring for the removal of EpiPens from the market. (On the contrary, one of her fellow hacks, Nancy Sanders (AANMA), is promoting the spread of EpiPen availability in schools throughout the country to prevent needless asthma deaths, via her "Epi Everywhere! Every Day!" campaign, while simultaneously OPPOSING the release of the last 1 million units of Primatene Mist inhalers to patients who are begging for them, on medical safety grounds!) However, Dr. Monica Kraft, and her fellow Patient Front Group hacks are deafeningly silent on the horrible safety record of HFA inhalers (vs. the CFC inhalers they pressured the FDA to ban). Why is that? Just follow the money.     The three medical groups primarily responsible for alerting the US Government to this HFA inhaler-induced disaster, The American Academy of Allergy, Asthma and Immunology (AAAAI), The American Thoracic Society (ATS), and The American Lung Association (ALA), have instead chosen to lie about it and deny it, on behalf of their drug company (IPAC, International Pharmaceutical Aerosol Consortium) and EPA (Environmental Protection Agency) patrons.       The ALA has received tens of millions of taxpayer dollars from the EPA over the years to serve as the EPA's de facto PR Department, and the AAAAI, ATS, and the other members of the Patient Front Group have likewise been corrupted by the enormous sums of money that they (and many of their 'thought leaders') have received from drug companies over the years, in various ways. They never were, and are not now, the independent experts they pretend to be.     They disgraced themselves by pressuring the FDA to speed up the ban of CFC inhalers without bothering to make sure that long-term, 'real world' US postmarketing safety trials comparing HFA to CFC rescue inhalers were done first, on behalf of their 40 million patients, who naively trusted them. These trials would have clearly revealed the grossly inferior safety and effectiveness of HFA inhalers.     This type of postmarketing study WAS done (for only 3 months) in the UK, and 3.8% of the HFA albuterol inhaler test patients had to quit the study due to side effects from the HFA inhalers, compared to a 0.2% dropout rate for the CFC albuterol inhaler test patients. A New Zealand clinical trial was even more damning of HFA albuterol inhalers: "In this study, half of those on the CFC-free (HFA) inhaler developed unstable asthma and 93% of those remaining had demonstrably worse asthma."     HFA rescue inhalers should have been tested on COPD and cystic fibrosis patients in addition to being tested on healthier, mild and moderate asthma patients (so-called 'well-groomed' patient populations), although HFA inhalers were clearly much more dangerous even in the pathetic, short-term, 'asthma only' US clinical trials that were done. The original manufacturer of the first HFA albuterol inhaler (Schering-Plough, now owned by Merck) was required to disclose this on their Proventil HFA homepage before the CFC inhaler ban: "Rapid heartbeat, vomiting, chest pain and palpitation occurs more frequently with Proventil HFA (than with CFC albuterol)." And the original manufacturer of the second HFA albuterol inhaler (GlaxoWellcome, now GlaxoSmithKline), was required to disclose this in Ventolin HFA’s New Drug Application (NDA #20983, p.6) to the FDA: "Unfavorable changes in physical examinations were observed in the ears, nose, and throat category as follows: 8% HFA placebo (HFA-134a propellant gas alone); 13% HFA albuterol (Ventolin HFA); and 5% albuterol CFC (the good stuff, that the US Government banned)." There was never ONE SHRED OF EVIDENCE that negligible CFC inhaler emissions (less than .5% of peak global CFC emissions), in and of themselves, were capable of depleting the stratospheric ozone layer sufficient to cause an increase in ground-level UV-B radiation, resulting in increased cases of malignant melanoma.     On the contrary, we know that stratospheric ozone depletion IS NOT a cause of increased malignant melanoma rates over the last few decades: "During the period 1957-1984 the annual age-adjusted incidence rate of cutaneous malignant melanoma (CMM) increased by 350% for men and 440% for women in Norway. The annual exposure to carcinogenic sunlight in Norway, calculated by use of measured ozone levels, showed no increasing trend during the same period. Thus, ozone depletion is not a cause of the increasing trend of the incidence rates of skin cancers." But now we ALSO know that the ban of CFC inhalers has resulted in a huge increase in pain, suffering and death of millions of innocent Americans (and patients throughout the world). Congratulations to the radical environmental mafia (the U.S. EPA) and drug company crony capitalists (IPAC) responsible for the ban of CFC rescue inhalers in 2008. Truly, a marriage made in Hell. And well done, AAAAI, ATS and ALA. How does it feel to know that your failure to DEMAND that long-term, 'real world' US postmarketing (Phase 4) studies for HFA albuterol be done before supporting the CFC inhaler ban directly resulted in  over 13,000 more CLRD deaths in 2008 over 2007?         For decades, your mantra has been that asthma is a highly individualized disease, and the drugs that help one patient may not help another. Your support of the CFC inhaler ban removed many safe, effective CFC inhaled medications (not just albuterol) and replaced them with their poorly tested HFA inhaler counterparts, under the assumption that since the active ingredients were virtually the same, there was nothing to worry about. This was a very deadly mistake on your part, and one that could have been easily avoided, if you cared more about your responsibility to your 40 million patients than to the financial interests of your drug company bosses (IPAC), or the political interests of the EPA, in the case of the American Lung Association. Dr. John Jenkins (FDA): "you need to remember that the new (HFA inhaler) formulations are new drugs, they often have different excipients (inactive ingredients), and different devices, so there are additional needs for more extended studies for those for safety purposes, as well as durability of the efficacy response." p. 302, 1997 FDA Advisory meeting      So why didn't you see to it that those 'extended safety studies' for HFA inhalers were done, John, instead of just flapping your gums about them? Dr. John Jenkins (FDA): "There are documented cases where patients may be responding to an excipient, for example, an inactive ingredient that's in one formulation that's not in another formulation." p. 194 1999 FDA Advisory meeting Even when the ACTIVE INGREDIENTS in a CFC inhaled medication and an HFA inhaled medication are virtually identical (i.e., albuterol base vs. albuterol sulfate, respectively), the INACTIVE INGREDIENTS, (including the HFA-134a gas itself (we have a growing number of doctors who are convinced that the HFA-134a gas itself sickens their patients and aggravates their underlying disease*), corn-sourced ethanol, not good for some corn-allergic patients, and proven to cause bronchoconstriction in at least some asthmatics, etc.), and DEGRADATION BYPRODUCTS (extractables and leachables) in these formulations are completely different and potentially toxic, and THIS is what is causing the decreased safety and effectiveness of HFA inhalers- NOT the active ingredients. *Fun Fact #1: Did you know that HFA-134a gas, by itself, was never tested on asthma, COPD or cystic fibrosis patients when it was chosen by IPAC as a replacement for the 'gold standard' CFC-11,12 propellant gases? It was only tested on a few normal, healthy volunteers. Normal, healthy volunteers tend not to have hyperreactive airways, allergies and diseased lungs, as CLRD patients do. Fun Fact #2: Did you know that not only were HFA inhalers never subjected to long-term, 'real world' US postmarketing (Phase 4) safety studies, but in addition, the FDA cut corners on both their preclinical and clinical trials  (at the suggestion of their drug company bosses, aka IPAC, the International Pharmaceutical Aerosol Consortium) by using substandard, watered-down trial protocols known as the "bridging approach" in order to be able to approve this raw sewage (HFA inhalers) as fast as possible? Dr. John Jenkins (FDA): "A more limited or bridging approach was developed for the pre-clinical safety testing of the new (HFA inhaler) formulations... " p.22, 1997 FDA Advisory meeting Dr. John Jenkins (FDA): "Similar to the preclinical safety battery... the recommended clinical development programs for the most part represent a bridging approach." p. 23, 1997 FDA Advisory meeting      Dr. John Jenkins (FDA): "There is all the other criteria that have to be met (for FDA approval of HFA inhalers), of patient acceptability, serving patient needs... safety data from the large postmarketing experience..." p.257, 1997 FDA Advisory meeting Why don't you release that "safety data from the large postmarketing experience" for HFA albuterol inhalers, John? Fun Fact #3: Did you know that the FDA never bothered reviewing any U.S. HFA inhaler postmarketing safety data (MedWatch data) even though it was legally required to use this U.S. data in order to be able to "find" that patients were "adequately served" by HFA albuterol (per FDA Final Rule 21 CFR 2.125), before they could ban CFC albuterol? Dr. Erik Swenson (pulmonologist): "we really didn't see any data regarding the safety and the track record (of HFA albuterol). Can you give us a brief synopsis? I suspect, because they have been out as long as they have*, they are probably safe. But can you tell us so from your data monitoring?" 2004 FDA Advisory meeting p.243 Dr. Robert Meyer (FDA, Dr. John Jenkins' protege, now working for Merck, the manufacturer of Proventil HFA albuterol inhalers): "I think for the purposes of the proposed rule, we really didn't contest that this was not the case." 2004 FDA Advisory meeting p.244     In other words, the FDA effectively banned CFC albuterol ILLEGALLY, without the required HFA albuterol "safety data from the large postmarketing experience" required per 21 CFR 2.125, isn't that right, John?  *Very few patients used HFA albuterol inhalers before 2005, when the Patient Front Group encouraged doctors to "transition" their patients over to HFA inhalers (before IPAC's brilliantly-orchestrated* ban of CFC albuterol inhalers would take effect). Before 2005, HFA albuterol inhalers only had about 1% market share, because they were more dangerous, less effective, and much more expensive than generic CFC albuterol inhalers. *(IPAC/EPA/Patient Front Group lies notwithstanding, the Montreal Protocol DID NOT require and WOULD NEVER have required the banning of CFC inhalers, until the US EPA forced through Decision IX/19 Part 5, at the 9th Meeting of the Parties, in September 1997.)  The U.S. imposed the CFC inhaler ban on the Montreal Protocol. The Montreal Protocol DID NOT impose the CFC inhaler ban on the U.S. until WE forced it to, thanks to IPAC and the EPA.             Fun Fact #4: We did the FDA's job for them and summarized the US MedWatch data for HFA and CFC rescue inhalers in a simple chart (with links to the raw data) from 2005 to 2008, and the results are clear enough so that even Monica Kraft, MD, the President of the American Thoracic Society, should be able to understand them. (We are well aware that many, probably most of the doctors who treat CLRD patients know the truth about the superiority of CFC inhalers, and a few of them are brave enough to publicly state the truth in the face of enormous peer pressure, propaganda and GroupThink orchestrated by the Patient Front Group, IPAC and the EPA.)      Dr. John Jenkins (FDA): "So when we approve these non-CFC (HFA) alternative products, there's an intent through the Montreal Protocol and the Clean Air Act that if those are acceptable to patients, they're (HFA asthma inhalers) going to replace the old (CFC) products, and part of the question we're trying to get answers from you are, how can we be certain that we're not going to make things worse?" p. 172, 1999 FDA Advisory meeting Well, John, the only way you could have been certain that you were not going to "make things worse" would have been to DO YOUR JOB and ENSURE that HFA inhalers were THOROUGHLY tested over a number of YEARS BEFORE banning CFC albuterol. But you knew that. A Question For Dr. John Jenkins, FDA: You were responsible for the safety testing of HFA albuterol rescue inhalers. You knew that since these would TOTALLY REPLACE CFC albuterol rescue inhalers, U.S. long-term, 'real world' (Phase 4) postmarketing studies were LEGALLY required per 21 CFR 2.125, as your quotes prove; the health and safety of 40 million Americans was at stake.       Not only did you fail to require that these thorough, rigorous postmarketing safety studies be done before effectively banning CFC albuterol, but in addition, you allowed the watered-down, limited "bridging approach" to be used at the pre-clinical and clinical trial levels for HFA Albuterol. Now the chickens have come home to roost, and we have an enormous increase in unnecessary pain, suffering and death among CLRD patients, largely because YOU FAILED TO DO YOUR JOB. (Over 13,000 avoidable deaths in 2008, alone.)  Dr. John Jenkins, can you give us one good reason why you should not be immediately fired from the FDA (he's now the Director of the Office of New Drugs) and prosecuted for Criminal Negligence? Criminal Negligence: "The failure to use reasonable care to avoid consequences that threaten or harm the safety of the public and that are the foreseeable outcome of acting in a particular manner."                     If you respect human life more than environmental junk science and drug company crony capitalism, please sign this petition now!         We will never give your contact information to anyone other than Congress and the President, once a suitable number of signatures has been obtained. The only reason that we ask for your Street Address is because this is necessary for the signatures to be considered credible. All of the information you enter on this page, as well as on our donation page, is fully protected by 256K SSL encryption. 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darvon is the best, Community Member
3/31/12 1:31pm

I have taken Darvon for 20+ years with no side effects but the US caved to all the publicity from England.

I'm taking hydromorphone (2mg) and hydrocodone (5mg) together and it works pretty good but not as good as Darvon. My Rx is for 4mg & 10 mg but I split them to get the dose right. Also takeeee Xanax which takes off the rough spots from the 2 hydros!

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MEM, Community Member
4/ 1/12 6:00am

I can't take hydrocodone.  It makes me feel "dopey."

 

Emily K.

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Agent Skull, Community Member
1/15/11 10:05am

Try Lyrica

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LSUMOM, Community Member
3/ 5/11 3:53am

Lyrica is a good drug, but my Part D Medicare doesn't have very good prices for it.  Maybe some private insurance companies pay for it, but I'm not going to pay $85 a month for it when I was getting Darvocet for about $7 a month and liked it just as much.  There are no generics for Lyrica yet so until the patent runs out -- which could not be in my life timem -- the prices will remain high.

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Regina Lilley, Community Member
3/25/11 4:52pm

Lyrica is dangerous drug with very serious side effects. I did try it long ago and it put me to sleep for 14 hours. You cannot function while you are asleep. Darvocet remains my only choice and I am not giving up on getting it back. But thanks.

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MEM, Community Member
3/25/11 5:48pm

Good for you, Regina.  I feel the same way about Darvocet ~ and so does my husband.  To me, it appears as safe a Tylenol.  Maybe that's why Tylenol has been targeted several times.

 

MEM

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Beth Popovics, Community Member
4/22/11 12:11am

I don't know  what the alternative might be, but I am a person who  had this reaction to this medicene and I am sure there are many more. I ended up in the  hospital because of this drug. and I had only taken it for a very short time. I was 32 and 115 lb woman, when I thought I was having a heart attack two diifferent times. It has happend to a lot more than two or three people. I never knew what it was until much later. It could have killed me. It is a dangerous drug for many people. I hope you can find an alternative, but darvocet is dangerous and the FDA cannot just give it to the people who don't have a problem with it. There is no way to tell who will die next.

 

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Regina Lilley, Community Member
4/23/11 9:47am

Oh my God, run for the hills!!! We are such a nation of chicken littles, "the sky is falling". I had a horrible reaction to Opana also, but I did not leave the ER and demand that Opana be taken off the market, because for some people it is all they have to take and the only thing that works for them. For God's sake when does personal responsibility ever kick in? IF YOU HAVE A REACTION TO A DRUG, THEN JUST STOP TAKING IT! But how dare people demand that if they can't take it then no one should! For millions of us it was all we had, these MS and Lupus patients that lost their jobs because they cannot function with this intense pain, would give anything to have it back. I am sorry that you had a reaction to a drug, it happens all the time, all drugs have risks, getting out of bed in the morning has risks, driving a car is a thousand times riskier than taking Darvocet, but no one is advocating removing cars are they? The idea that a handfull of people can dictate to the millions is ridiculous. So if I understand this, because you had a reaction to Darvocet, then the millions of us who have taken it successfully for over 20 years are just out of luck?? It's ok to devastate our lives, have us lose our jobs, our homes, all because we needed our medication to be able to function? In what universe is this ok? 

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MEM, Community Member
4/23/11 10:18am

HOORAY FOR YOU, REGINA!!!  Very well written.  These were my thoughts exactly, but I didn't know how to put it in writing.  You are my hero ~ and I don't even know you ~ except via this communication process.  MEM

 

Better know as Emily Killingsworth

 

P.S.  Do you have to scroll through scores of responses to find the most recent one?  Mine are certainly not in order as to how they appear in this website.

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Regina Lilley, Community Member
4/24/11 2:48pm

No I don't have to scroll your most recent comes through. I am on Facebook under the name Regina Corn Lilley. Don't give me too much credit, I am just old and I just say what I think. 

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MEM, Community Member
6/ 8/11 11:23pm

Regina, I tried to find you on Facebook under Regina Corn Lilley and couldn't find you.  Any suggestions.  MEM (Emily Killingsworth)

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Regina Lilley, Community Member
4/24/11 2:50pm

Love the name "Emily Killingsworth" that is soooo cool.

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Regina Lilley, Community Member
4/24/11 2:53pm

Here is the e-mail the National Health Organization sent me:

Hello Regina

Thank you for your e-mail.  We appreciate that you and others in similar
situations want to have continued access to certain legal drugs in
preference to those that are more dangerous.  We support your right to
choose for yourselves whatever reasonable medical modality will best ease
your pain.  Unfortunately, we have so many health-freedom issues that we are
dealing with right now that we cannot afford to take up this particular
issue of yours.  We do wish you luck and thank you for having thought to
contact us. 

Best wishes, 

Cheri Tips
NHF
www.thenhf.com

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MEM, Community Member
4/23/11 11:15am

I had a reaction to Lortab ~ thought I was going to die.  I've had terrible reactions to many medications ~ prescription and over-the-counter.  If I COULD take something else to control my back pain, I would, (except something that is highly addictive and puts one in a state of stupor ~ but everything I have tried so far has done very little to the back pain I suffer except DARVOCET.  I'm allergic to codeine, have horrible stomach pain from anything that has NSAIDs in them, i.e. aspirin, ibuprofen, etc.  Oh, I could probably get a prescription for something stronger, but who wants to walk around like a zombie.  I sure don't.  As Regina said, we're not drug addicts, we're just people who are, unfortunately, suffering from a chronic pain that ONE MEDICATION ~ DARVOCET ~ gives us much needed relief.   MEM

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Stephanie, Community Member
5/ 2/11 1:42pm

Have you tried Ultracet or Ultram?

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Regina Lilley, Community Member
5/ 2/11 3:33pm

Ultracet and Ultram are tramadol and tramadol can cause seizures very easily. Plus I had my stomach cut open and sewed up the opposite way due to an ulcer and scar tissue that was blocking my stomachs ability to empty. They also did a partial Vagomety which means they cut 1/2 of the "nerves" that tell your stomach to produce acid also due to the same ulcer. Darvocet was all I had. Every other medication for Fibromyalgia and Arthritis causes bleeding ulcers and so I have nothing to take.

 

Thank you for trying, I really do appreciate it, and be careful with Ultracet and Ultram, they can "turn on you" quickly with a seizure.  

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Christopher, Community Member
7/15/11 2:22pm

Ultram did not work and made me *itch* starting 30 minutes after I took it and continued for hours. I took Darvocet N 100 for about 20 years  for headaches and back pain. It worked ! My husband has psoriatic arthritis and arthritis in his fingers, neck, back and so on. My doctor said people are hoarding Darvocet N100. I can't take codeine..makes me so sick to my stomach. I have taken so much aspirin and have gone to the ER for a shot of demerol and visteral. My doctor has no answer to the alternative question. He is just throwing things at me and sees what works. I just found this board and I am so happy I did, first I will show it to my doctor. So this is my first posting. It is nice that you share information. My name is Mary. I too and on Facebook as Mary Paulos. My nephew has cluster headaches and is given oxygen, he says it helps. Will keep in touch. 

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danial0911, Community Member
10/28/11 12:03pm

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You solemnly swear (affirm) that I will support the Constitution of the United States, and the Bill of Rights, of the USA.   I will faithfully discharge the Duties of My public service office according to country and god so help me God (under pains and penalties of perjury, forgery & theft by deception)   Challenging your  jurisdiction, rule of law family law is interest that take from our kids. for the victim not a self serving political laws state pay attorneys for victim not for political special interest that take from our kids.

We  should support peace officer not political law officer not political attorneys that do not support the united states constitution, an victimless law is unconstitutional that is a forgery on the USA people is an theft by deception, on the tax payer and the victim, jails and prisons cost $100 to $1,100 a day and all the health care, and education when the victim gets no help but to state gets taxes aid why would you pay for the Political, Roman, Jewish, Christian belief of the old world  that killed the son of God for their gold and deception of the past our founder father knew of this I reserve all family, friends and My Constitutional Rights that you interest that take from     our kids. You have wrongfully stopped us doing our life, duties  AND FAMIMILY.                                                 

I Bill at $250.00 per hour plus all cost and expense with an daily fine of $10,000 for violating  our rights until proven, compliant or an victim it is an act of treason to proceed fine don't  attorneys law officer, taxerpayer  the poor or help the Victim at all just political Roman special tax dealing deceiving counterfeiter writing that schemes to defraud harms another person of money or property for there old world ways that is a violation of God and this county and has proven to bankrupt this country and deceives gods, country and my family, can you help me now ?   
A(American) E(European) : I.O.U. YOU FORGOT "Y" (Y is for Yahweh & Yeshua)
MY RIGHT TO CHARGE YOU FOR MY TIME.
IN GOD WE TRUST!          
 Danial Ray Curtis 9/11 when all the world markets fell but one still stand tall Judas Iscariot forsake us all, the judiciary is for the people and supports the Vitim to keep family pride and country under rules of God to do No Harm to help them Grow, now is the time to grow up and stand up and repent  to God & Country taxpayer & educator that want help not to be a slave to an idea or an old world way of deception of an bifeves in one self not a ruler or an judge but of this country and GOD to have paradise on earth and heaven. Danial, not denial nor Daniel of the the wicked of the past shall open the book life, and give new knowledge and pride of the new world order of self worth and victims rights and put an end unholy polices of the political roman that deceives the hardworking god fearing, human people of the country and of the world to help each other too grow  to pay the victim first not auditory of the fine the fee self-serving of Judas Iscariot betrayal of Gods peoples, and oath of this country, and family laws and victims right, pubic service oath and god's trust  and Danial's contract for peaces and civil rights for self worth and family trust in the father so help me god let me stand up an win for all are good but we are dumb and not see (Nazis) Judas Iscariot  truly has forsake all of us, it a terrible to live in terror and fear when we try to be good!    Who's law are you following,  God's Law or Judas's Law?  

Pass this contract to the people you work for.  The people should get paid for their time  to pay you for your time and good business.    HELP US ALL!   
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O: Obama
D: Danial   
CAN  YOU HELP ME NOW?

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Reptileden0, Community Member
7/23/12 9:34am

I agree with this comment strongly. I have arthritis and fibromyalgia along with painfull musscle spasms.. Since Darvocet was taken off the market , my doctors and I have struggled to controll the pain with vicodin and other meds.. I end up takin more tylenol than recommended because I cant take ibuprophen or aspirin without getting sick. Ultram was a cruel joke and other drugs mess with my body and mind more than darv ever could have. Its been very rough not havin a light weight pain releiver that works. Codiene also make me very ill.  I have found NOTHING that helps or soothes the edge off my pains like the darvocet did. Ive even been trying natural things with little releif.

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Regina Lilley, Community Member
7/24/12 12:28am

Please hang in there!! If we can get through to people that this election is not about left versus right, but it is about getting cancer patients their medicine, and getting Chronic Pain Sufferers their medicine back. Obama appointed Margaret Hamburg and Kathleen Sebelius and they are going to remove EVERYONES medicine if he is re-elected. Cancer patients are going to die by the millions and they are just getting started, they will come for all medications. They will remove Tylenol and Aspirin and there will be no painkillers available at all. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER YOU ARE LEFT OR RIGHT, IF YOU WANT TO HAVE ACCESS TO YOUR MEDICATIONS YOU MUST VOTE OBAMA OUT OF OFFICE!!! IT IS OUR ONLY HOPE!!!

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Tiva, Community Member
8/ 9/12 4:07am

I thiink oxycodone, or Brand name Roxycodone is equialant. Some people say it takes a week or two to get used to it, but in the long run everyone I know that takes it for pain is pretty satisfied. A time release morphine at around 15 MG would probably do the trick too. It doesn't seem to have anything other than pain killer. I had to stop all meds with asprin, tylenol or anything else other than narcotic I was recently changed to a new drug called Exalgo, which is a 24 hour time release drug. It took me about 6 weeks to quit being tired and now after 16 years of pain killers for a non fixable condition, I have to say it's doing a better job than everything else I have tried. It is time released diladid.I haven't found that it lasts 24 hour though and I take it one every 5 hours, and then two at bedtime. I sleep so good now. I am hiking again for the first time in around four years. I'm up to about a slow mile, but before I couldn't get myself to the bathroom at times without help. Good luck.

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Susie from Oklahoma, Community Member
3/ 7/11 11:07am

Since the recall of Darvocet N-100 my doctor prescribed Tramdol - 50 mgm, taken 3 times a day and this is not relieving my pain at all.  Difficult to sleep and to function.  I suffer from low back pain, chronic sciatica and fibromyalgia.

Susie from Oklahoma

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Regina Lilley, Community Member
3/10/11 8:09pm

We all need to keep e-mailing and letter writing and faxing the FDA to put Darvocet back for those of us who have been taking it for twenty years. A few years ago they took a popular MS medication off the market and there was such an outcry, that they put it back for the people it worked for. All they had to do was sign a release form and they could have it back. That is what I have been asking for. I wrote a 3 page letter to the new head of the FDA but I haven't heard anything back. 

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Regina Lilley, Community Member
5/ 7/11 7:46pm

Here is that e-mail address and we need to flood this with requests to let those of us who have been on Darvocet have it back with a release form.

 

"INFO, CDER" <DRUGINFO@fda.hhs.gov>; 

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Regina Lilley, Community Member
5/ 9/11 10:47am

I have sent six e-mails to the above e-mail address this morning, and I am composing more letters and still trying to find an attorney, and so the fight goes on....if I find out anything I will post it here.

 

 INFO, CDER" <DRUGINFO@fda.hhs.gov>

 

 

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Paula Greenwalt, Community Member
7/ 1/11 12:14pm

Wow, I thought I was the only one out here suffering.  I have Fibromyalgia and if it weren't for Darvocets I wouldn't be working. I've tried everything else also, Lyrica, Cymbalta, Tramadol it's just insane that after 50+ years they yank it off the market.  I thought they were kidding when they told me.

 

I'm 54, been a recovering alcoholic for 14 years, never abused Darvocets, never asked for more, etc.  And my doctor refuses to give me Vicodin.  Which does nothing for me unless you get up into the 7.5 percocet range and he sure as hell isn't giving me that.

 

I have 4 darvons left.  My mom gave me hers, she's on a fentanyl patch and Oxy, same thing with my Aunt and I had some hoarded, lol.

 

I've been so stressed out worrying about it, trying not to use them, I'm just at a loss.

 

I have printed everything out and will start emailing today.  It never crossed my mind that we could do something about it, like sign a waiver if we take it.

 

Paula

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Regina Lilley, Community Member
7/ 1/11 4:08pm

Hi Paula,

I am Regina and I hate to tell you but the FDA banned Darvocet so it is now in the same category as Meth or Heroin. You can thank Dr. Sidney Wolfe who is the head of an organization called Public Citizen, publiccitizen.org. He wants all medications pulled off the market, and he wants to come into your house and inspect your medicine cabinet to make sure that you only have what he has approved in it. He is just like 1930's Germany. He is a self righteous jackass, who thinks he knows much better than you do what you need, and the last thing he wants is for you and your Doctor to decide on what you will take. His organization poses as a "watchdog" organization who is looking out for you but the truth is, they are just like the Nazis, first they take all medications off the market and then they only let the ones they approve to be used. It is a genius way of controlling the people. We need to get this administration out of the white house, then maybe we could get a reasonable person in charge of the FDA instead of Dr. Margaret Hamburg. Dr. Sidney Wolfe is right up front in getting the Breast Cancer medicine Avastin that has helped so many women pulled off the market also. He has given these women a death sentence with pulling this medication off the market, so he doesn't care that he told the FDA to pull our pain medication off. We continue to fight the FDA but they are totally out of control and they answer to no one so if they will kill women without so much as a second look they certainly aren't going to care about us. We need someone in the public eye to help us. Also go to FAMEDS.org and sign the petition to get these women back their Breast Cancer medicine, this organization might help us in the future.

Sorry Paula, but we have nothing that substitutes for Darvocet, Dr Sidney Wolfe said that Darvocet was the same as Extra Strength Tylenol and we didn't need anything else. Oh and now his next campaign is to take Tylenol off the market also. If we don't stop him we won't have anything to take at all.

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Paula Greenwalt, Community Member
7/ 7/11 11:49am

 

I went to my "new" doctor, my old one refused to prescribe anything but Tramadol and she gave me 30, yes one a day !!! 7.5 Hydrocodone ??  Something like that.  Yippee.  They barely make a difference.

 

I'm just really shocked and amazed.  Have been since I heard it in November.  Which I thought the person telling me was joking, heh, heh.

 

I work full time and have no other choice but drag my butt everyday.  Doesn't make me very pleasant.  Tongue out

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Regina Lilley, Community Member
7/ 7/11 9:51pm

I am so sorry Paula, I can't imagine how hard it is for you. We are trying to expose the FDA for the crooks they are. I believe that they tell a company that if they don't pay a certain amount then they will shut them down, and Xanodyne who makes Darvocet just said Ok shut us down. I base this on a story my doctor told me, he said that the FDA tried to take a very old medicine off the market and they only managed to ban the injectible form of it. Then they made a "deal" with one of the big drug companies, and the FDA proceeded to shut down all the generic makers of this drug and then allowed that big drug company to be the ONLY maker of this drug. The price of this drug went from $4 a month to $200.00 a month. This has nothing to do with protecting us from bad drugs, this has to do with payoffs and kickbacks. And as long as Dr. Margaret Hamburg is the head of the FDA this will only get worse. So we are calling for everyone to vote for whoever goes up against Obama, because Hamburg is an Obama appointee and she is an elitist who thinks she doesn't have to get her hands dirty dealing with all of us peeons. With the FDA taking away the only breast cancer medicine millions of women have, and knowingly causing their deaths, and yawning while these poor people testified and begged for their medicine and their lives, I doubt that they care much about our pain medicine. So for now our only hope is to kick that idiot out of the white house and get someone else appointed to the head of the FDA. We desperately need to get back to the patient and the doctor deciding what medicine should be taken. Hamburg operates with impunity because she knows no one is going to stand up to her or Obama and we need to stay vigilant and educated so that we can take back control of our lives and our medications. If we could get a Senator to back us we might get some help, but I am not sure anymore if even a Senator could help us at this point. Just like Obama, Hamburg thinks she is untouchable and until the election she may be. Here is her address and phone number:

Dr. Margaret Hamburg     1-888-463-6332

10903 New Hampshire Ave.

Silver Springs, Maryland

                    20993-0002

webmail@oc.fda.gov     druginfo@fda.hhs.gov

I send letters and e-mails but she never responds, she gets one of her flunkies to do it. She doesn't care that millions of MS, LUPUS, and Disk Degenerative patients lives have been ruined because they removed the safest, mildest, narcotic ever made. And don't believe that crap about a "new" study indicating that Darvocet causes heart toxicity because as my doctor said that is a blatant and outright lie. People have been taking it for over 20 years without one side effect. I believe that if we find out who paid for this new study we will know why they came out with the results they came out with. I firmly believe that it was bought and paid for by someone with a personal interest in banning Darvocet.    Bottom line here Paula is that I am never going to quit fighting this but it is better if we all ban together to fight the out of control FDA. Letters, e-mails and involving every Senator we can. My Senator is Michael Bennet and he is a Democrat so he won't help, but we need to keep trying everyone we can. I hate Democrats and Republicans alike but we need to find one of them to go to the FDA and go to bat for us. So we can chat anytime, and if you can think of anything let me know. I know uniting is a forgotten concept but the only one that will work. In the meantime I am still investigating everything I can. Hang in there, we are all in the same boat. 

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Paula Greenwalt, Community Member
7/13/11 8:57am

I hear you sister.  I'm writing and emailing.  Thanks, Paula

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Annamarie, Community Member
7/30/12 6:43pm

I've taken Darvocet for many years for many different types of pain and my heart is ok!

They take Darvocet off the market with no real cases of heart failure but the doctors PUSH Oxycontin on patients when at least 5 deaths per month[where I live] due to overdose of it.Perdue Pharma should be put out of buisness!

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MEM, Community Member
7/31/12 9:05am

Wouldn't it be nice if "they" worked as hard to prove Darvocet is not the "bad guy" as they have worked to "prove" it is.  I have NEVER YET talked to anyone, including very reputable doctors, who can say nothing but POSITIVE things about DARVOCET.  It WAS, by far, the best medication for pain that was ever on the market.  I took it as long as it was on the market and never had ONE SINGLE SIDE EFFECT.  I don't know if the upcoming election would make a difference in our PLEAS to "bring back Darvocet" but it's certainly worth a try.  As I stated, it's election year ~ and who knows, especially if we FLOOD them with emails and "snail mail."  I have already contacted Dr. Kathleen Sebelius.  We won't know unless we TRY.

 

Emily K.

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fedup, Community Member
2/ 6/13 3:04am

I don't give a damn about the acetaminophen in Darvocet.  I never took any on top of it.  Why the hell is the only med that works for patientt that are allergic to codeine and sulpha meds with intolerable pain taken off the market.  Because the damn government doesn't care about the populace and plenty of patients committed suicid because they couldn't handle the pain.  The government doesn't want us to live they would rath we pay more money for meds that are more dangerous.  When they kill us off they can have a younger populace.  Thanks FDA thank you every damn dr that refuses to stand up for their patients, and thank you idiots that think everything the government does is benign.  You are all putting nails in our coffins.

 

 

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fedup, Community Member
2/ 6/13 3:05am

I don't give a damn about the acetaminophen in Darvocet.  I never took any on top of it.  Why the hell is the only med that works for patientt that are allergic to codeine and sulpha meds with intolerable pain taken off the market.  Because the damn government doesn't care about the populace and plenty of patients committed suicid because they couldn't handle the pain.  The government doesn't want us to live they would rath we pay more money for meds that are more dangerous.  When they kill us off they can have a younger populace.  Thanks FDA thank you every damn dr that refuses to stand up for their patients, and thank you idiots that think everything the government does is benign.  You are all putting nails in our coffins.

 

 

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fedup, Community Member
2/ 6/13 3:06am

I don't give a damn about the acetaminophen in Darvocet.  I never took any on top of it.  Why the hell is the only med that works for patientt that are allergic to codeine and sulpha meds with intolerable pain taken off the market.  Because the damn government doesn't care about the populace and plenty of patients committed suicid because they couldn't handle the pain.  The government doesn't want us to live they would rath we pay more money for meds that are more dangerous.  When they kill us off they can have a younger populace.  Thanks FDA thank you every damn dr that refuses to stand up for their patients, and thank you idiots that think everything the government does is benign.  You are all putting nails in our coffins.

 

 

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Puffer48, Community Member
11/20/10 3:10pm

The doctor has just called and said that DARVACET is no longer safe for heart patients.  What is a good alternative?

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Fellowbackpainsuffer, Community Member
11/20/10 3:40pm

ask your Dr. about Ultram I'm going through the same thing just  found out that the are pulling Davocet off the market and FDA is asking generic makers to do the same. from what I read Ultram is a mild narcotic and less chance of being addictive. 

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Cheri, Community Member
11/21/10 7:51pm

I have been taking Ultram ER 200mg for quite some time now along with Darvocet N-100. I have multiple pain issues going on which require different types of medication. I can tall you that the Ultram does not take care of the severe arthritis pain I have. The Darvocet actually only took the edge off the pain but it was enough to get by on. I am waiting to see what they will come up with for me because I am allergic to Aspirin, Codeine, Morphine and Sulfa.

Talking to a pharmacist today she said she believes they are going to reformulate Darvocet and re-release it. I just hope it's before I run out of them!!! Does anybody have any other suggestions for me for alternative medications?

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what now, Community Member
11/23/10 9:37am

Does this affect the generic as well? Is it being pulled? I've always taken brand, ..yikes. what will the millions of people do? I am like you.I have 3 compression fractures in my spine, along with RA, spinal stenosis, and osteoporosis. This took the edge off without putting me in a stupor for the day, so I can live a somewhat normal life. fibromyalgia does not help either!! I am allergic to sulfa as well, and cannot tolerate codiene.

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pattiv, Community Member
11/25/10 6:35pm

I am very upset about the darvocet recall. If anyone knows of a replacement drug or a re-release I would love to know. It's a med that I'm not allergic to and takes the edge off the pain.

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Chysmommy, Community Member
11/27/10 7:32pm

See if you can take the short acting Opana or the long acting Opana ER these two are only brand name.

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Regina Lilley, Community Member
12/16/10 3:07pm

careful with Opana. I had a severe reaction to it. So take it at home so if you have a severe reaction you will be at home. 

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livinginpain, Community Member
12/12/10 12:25am

Ok, I know this sounds simple and you're thinking no way this will work.  Let me start by telling you that I have been taking darvocet n 100 twice a day for four years for back pain and have tried many of the other meds out there that are non-narcotic and have not found anything that works as well as darvocet.  I'm also peeved about them taking it off the market.  After being prescribed Lortab as a replacement (which I refuse to take), replaced by talwin (which makes me very hyper and heart races), I called to have a heart to heart with the pharmacist.  He says that many docs are replacing darvocet with ultracet which is basically ultram with a low dose of tylenol added to it.  I have taken ultram in the past and you are right, it does not completely relieve the pain.  So, I was skeptical.  Since I already had ultram form a previous prescription, I asked him if I could just try adding tylenol to see if it would work.  He said ok, so I took ultram 50 with 325 mg of tylenol.  I am very surprised to find that it works about as well as the darvocet.  Apparently adding the tylenol to the ultram really increases the effectiveness for pain relief.  So, be sure to ask your doc if this is ok, but maybe adding tylenol to your ultram regimen will work for you and you won't have to add another narcotic, which is the goal for all of us in pain.  Please do not try this without asking your doctor, he may just want to switch your Rx from ultram to ultracet or maybe none of this will be ok by him depending on your personal situation.  Good luck and I hope this helps as much as it helped me. 

 

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Keepittomyself, Community Member
11/27/10 7:18pm

I was surprised to find they would not refill my prescription of Darvocet on Wednesday of this week. Dr's office is closed till Monday, I had just enough Darvocet to cut my doses in half and try to last the weekend by supplementing with more Ultram. Ultram isn't working for my pain, I am in withdrawls, I feel like crap! I am allergic to codiene based medications, what are the alternatives to Darvocet if my Dr. ever gets back to me?

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garrett_nc, Community Member
11/28/10 4:39pm

don't be fooled-tramadol or ultram is extremely addictive. I've been taking it for 10 years for my fibromyalgia pain and it just doesn't work as well as the darvocet which i took twice a day.  Now I don't know how to get off the tramadol which doesn't work but I'm addicted to and I have terrible pain without the darvocet.  All drugs have side effects-those of us with fibromyalgia make those tradeoffs every day but patients and their doctors should be able to make the decisions.  Lyrica causes huge weight gain (which doesn't help AT ALL) and cymbalta causes terrible short term memory loss-NOW WHAT????????

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Keepittomyself, Community Member
11/29/10 4:11pm

I too have Fibromyalgia as well as chronic pain from an "unsucessful" back surgery. The Ultram is my only alternative at the moment, I have only a few Darvocet left which I have cut up and am trying to use to ease the withdrawals. Ultram isn't working well enough to get me through and it makes me feel so funky all over and weaker then ever. Of course that could be the withdrawls. I have been calling my Dr. for days, called again this morning and am still waiting to hear back. My insurance does not allow my Dr. to treat Fibromyalgia so she can't prescribe Lyrica or Cymbalta even if I wanted to try them. My doctor had prescribed the Ultram for breakthrough pain inbetween the Darvocet, Saturday they called in a higher dose of Ultram, though I told them it wasn't working, but the pharmacy won't will the new prescription (with the higher dose) because I am not due for a refill of the lower does until December 4th. Given she has me taking twice as many as was prescribed on that prescription I will be out of Ultram long before I can get a refill. It is a catch 22 and I blame the FDA. Everything was fine, I had no liver or heart problems and the Darvocet worked well for me. Now I am so sick, in pain and depressed, I barely have the energy to get out of bed let alone continue to fight the pharmacy and insurance company.

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katt, Community Member
12/23/10 3:56am

My husband was also addicted to tramadol, he went to pain management and they gave him a patch to wear and slowly wean off of it.  It made withdrawing almost painless for him.  He had tried on his own and could not get off of it.  It's amazing that doctor's don't seem to have a clue about this drug. The doctor would not believe that he was addicted until I printed out a bunch of info pn this drug that I found on the internet.  Good Luck.

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Leslie, Community Member
12/24/10 4:38pm

I, too, have been on Darvocet for many years. I was also on Tramadol (aka Ultram) and IT IS ADDICTIVE. Don't let a doctor tell you it isn't. My doctor took me off of Tramadol cold turkey and I was in withdrawals for four days...shakes, sweats, sickness, all of it. I will never take it again. That said, I also have fibromyalgia and luckily, I have a great rheumatologist. Forget Lyrica and Cymbalta...ask your doctor about Neurontin. It is an older medication originally intended for people with epileptic seizures (which I don't have), but my doctor says that it coats the nerve endings in your body. I tried it and it has changed my life. I can handle cold, noise, and lights again, and my muscle pain has dropped considerably. Now I'm looking for something to help the joint pain...any ideas out there?

 

Neurontin (gabapentin is the generic name) has made my fibromyalgia symptoms much more bearable. It's also much cheaper than the new fibro meds and I've heard that it also has fewer side effects...I was a little wobbly the first few days...a little out of balance, but that wore off and now I'm doing fine.

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Miki, Community Member
2/ 3/11 2:06pm

I currently tak Neurontin for diabetic claudication and neuropathy; it does work at high doses.  Be prepared to allow several weeks for it to get into your system and after this period of time, you will adjust to it.

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Elyse Tamborino, Community Member
3/24/11 2:26pm

DO NOT TAKE THE NEUROTIN.  I TOOK ONLY 300'S FOR TWO YEARS FELT GOOD BUD REALIZED I WAS LOOSING MY MEMORY AND I COULD NOT FIND MY CAR IN A PARKING LOT.  I COULD NOT SPELL.  I WAS AN EXCELLENT PROOF READER. I DID NOT DRIVE ANYMORE.  IT HAS TAKEN SEVERAL YEARS AND I STILL STRUGGLE TO REMEMBER WORDS.  MY FAMILY TOLD ME I WOULD HAVE WHOLE CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM AND THE NEXT DAY NOT EVEN REMEMBER THAT I WAS WITH THEM.  I THEN WENT TO DARVACET.  IT TAKES THE EDGE OFF AND I LIVE ALMOST NORMAL LIFE. NOW WHAT?

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nancy, Community Member
12/ 5/10 12:23am

I have tried Ultram and it does not touch the arthritis pain I have in my back. The darvocet did take the edge off it.   I also have nerve blocks from my pain management clinic.   I just rec'd the notice from my pharmacy about them pulling darvocet off the market.   I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions so this Thurs. when I have my next spinal block I can ask my doctor.

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On OHP, Community Member
12/26/10 7:10pm

Spinal block, thats pretty serious stuff for pain relief. Hope all is well.

 

After taking Ultram for a few weeks now it seems to be working better for pain relief with a steady dose (50mg 5x a day) in my system but it still gives me a constant headache, strange swinges of pain up my neck upto my right ear and my ears feel plugged most of the time. I believe it is the rise in blood pressure that causes the hearing loss. Still gives me insomnia. I have no alternative at the moment, without Darvocet on the market.

I have tried:

Dilaudid 4mg 4 times a day. The Dr. is mailing me a new scrip for 2mg she wants me to try a lower dose even though I told her I already tried cutting them in half and the lower dose wasn't working either.

Morphine Sulfate 

MS Contin (long acting morphine)

 

Everyone of these gives me extreme insomnia and side effects that make me feel like crap. I either spend my days in so much pain I can barely function or interact with anyone or take the drugs and spend my nights tossing and turning and my days feeling draggityassed and forcing myself to function but unable to interact with anyone. Neither is a good choice. I can't take any codeine or the synthetic based products because I am allergic. The only thing left on the Dr.'s covered list of prescriptions is Methedone and Fentanyl, neither of which I wish to try. I know I will be addicted, for the rest of my life, to what ever pain medication I end up with I would just like to have a life I can live. I am a little depressed since this Darvon thing all began but mostly I am in pain and just don't know how much longer I want to deal with it.

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Miki, Community Member
2/ 3/11 3:12pm

Hi, I had both foraminal and lateral spinal epidural injections over a period of 5-6 years, prior to having extensive back surgery of fusion, manipulation and rodding.  At that time--and I think now also--Bone Morphogenetic Protein--is used to encourage normal bone growth.  This is an 18-hour surgery.  I had this done approximately six years ago; after the surgery, the pain continued although the spine is stable and I could ambulate better, without my spine shifting as I walked.  I returned to my Pain Management physician to continue with epidural injections.  I am not one to take pain mediciations--even when the pain is so severe, I cannot get out of the bed.  After a consult with my Pain Management physician (he's an anaesthesiologist), he suggested an implant of a Medtronic device which not only reduced the pain, it enabled me to work full time.  You can go to their website http://professional.medtronic.com/products/restoreultra-spinal-cord-neurostimulator/index.htm#tab2 which shows the implanted neurostimulator I have for pain management, controllable by the patient.  The electrodes are placed nerves of the spinal column, and run underneath the skin to a rechargeable battery in the front abdomen.  The patient has a remote device the can control the pain relief as to strength, depth and intensity.

 

I have no regrets having the procedure done; I only advise that you ask Medtronic for a physician skilled in placement.  My pain management physician does this procedure; anaesthesiologists know about pain management.

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katt, Community Member
12/23/10 3:52am

Not true about Ultram.  My husband became very addicted to it and had to be sent to pain management to get off of this stuff.  Doctor's say it is not that addicting , that is not true.  Look it up.  My husband also lost alot of weight while taking these pills. 

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Lisa Lee, Community Member
11/25/10 8:15pm

Me like millions of others are worried. The Ultrum do not work on me. I was taking so much Ibuprophen the Dr. put me on Darvocet. I only need 2 a day when I don't work and 3 a day when I do work. I work in a factory 12 hrs. a day. My hip and knee pain gets so severe I can not perform my job. Getting out of the car is almost impossible. The darvocets take the edge off enough to tolerate the pain. What are other meds? I do not like an altered feeling and with the Darvocets I just get some releif from the pain.

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Jacksonville Jill, Community Member
11/26/10 5:08pm

I've been told maybe Vicodon or oxycodone -- I can't take Ultram, because it sends my blood pressure through the roof.

 

How can Darvocet be so bad for us that they have to take it off the market when it's been used for over 50 years?  I myself have taken it since 1979, and never had any problems with it.'

 

I think it is a scam to make us take the new meds that cost more.

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Dalmatianangel, Community Member
11/28/10 9:26pm

I agree with you.  I think it is a scam.  I find it hard to believe it took them 53 years to decide that it's harmful.  It's the only thing that has ever worked for my pain.  It should be up to the patient and doctor to decide whether or not it should be taken!

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njohoward, Community Member
11/29/10 10:02am

Like many of you above, I too have taken Darvocet N-100 for Fibromyalgia, osteoarthritis and various other pain issues for many years.  It is the only thing that takes the edge off (does not completely do away with the pain) but allows me to function.  I got wind of this on Friday around 4:00, called the pharmacy to get a refill, and between the time of my call (they had not heard about it) and the time I picked it up, around 5:30, they had pulled it.  They didn't even allow time for you to get to your doctor.  Unfortunately, my doctor went on vacation for the following week.  Ultram does nothing.  Any suggestions?

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Keepittomyself, Community Member
11/29/10 4:17pm

Your Dr. should have someone on-call during vacation. In the mean time, get ready for the withdrawls. For me that includes insomnia, sweats, severe stomach craps, aching all over, nausea, weakness and bowel issues. I wish you better luck h your Dr. and new meds then I have had to this point.

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Regina Lilley, Community Member
12/ 5/10 11:09am

Here is what we should do! Flood the FDA and EI Lily with e-mails asking them to put Darvocet back on the market. Make the outcry so loud that they cannot ignore us. But also, there is an organization of self righteous people called Public Citizen that sued the FDA to take it off the market. Some ambulance chasing attorney got wind of this and represented them hoping to get his fifteen minutes of fame. E-mail Public Citizen and tell them to mind their own business and stay out of our medicine cabinets. But flood the FDA with e-mails demanding that they put it back on the market or maybe we will sue them for the suffering we will endure by them taking Darvocet off the market. We shouldn't just accept this, we should fight back! We have taken Darvocet for years with no side effects and our needs should count for something. Start fighting and sending those e-mails and calling them daily. If we all fight back maybe we can get it back.

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Leslie, Community Member
12/ 7/10 1:40pm

Yes, I agree. We should make a very loud outcry to the FDA. These people just came out of nowhere and gave us no warning and no time to figure out what we could do or what we can take for a replacement of Darvocet. I too am on this medication and have taken this drug for 5 years now for the extreme pain in my legs after being diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis. I read where this Public Citizen said that this drug isn't as effective as Ibuprophen and that is simply BS! Simply put, I cannot even walk without taking Darvocet because my legs just WILL NOT MOVE from the spasticity from this life altering disease! This is so not fair to all of us who need this drug simply to function day to day! Having MS is depressing enough because of the limited mobility it causes and IMO it's riduculous NOT to take a medication that could and does help with those symptoms! The only other drugs Avonex and Copaxacone for MS are way out of my price range and we're talking into the thousands! I can't even afford health insurance much less expensive drugs like that!

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Mary in Arizona, Community Member
12/ 7/10 1:47pm

I take Darvocet N-100 in addition to Flexeril and Lyrica due to nerve damage in my back from a work related accident.  Furthermore I have Fibromyalgia and have had it for over 20 years.  Without the Darvocet I don't sleep more than a couple hours at a time - exacerbating the fibro issue which in turn exacerbates the nerve damage issue.  No other pain med on the market deadens the pain in my legs at night while still allowing me to sleep.  Vicoden works fine during the day if I absolutely have to take something, but taking that is like drinking espresso so I wouldn't get any sleep.

 

I agree... write the FDA and Lily... let them know what they are causing by removing that from the market.  Would they rather have us take the newer drugs they've approved that are "In my opinion" deadly in the long run?  In any event, massive amounts of phone calls and emails might change their minds.  Add Fax's to that and perhaps the deluge will help change their minds!

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Mary in Arizona, Community Member
12/ 7/10 2:18pm

Well, I just spoke to Lily who referred me to Xanodyne Pharmaceuticals who won't give you a straight answer about anything.  It was like talking to an automated system.  Took me about 15 minutes to get to that person - everyone else just kept transferring me to someone else. 

 

Website for Xanodyne http://www.xanodyne.com/

 

Obviously they won't give you any information about possible reintroduction of Darvocet - "We can't speculate on Darvocet's return to market"

 

Won't answer any questions on suggested replacements - "We are not medical professionals and cannot provide information on or make suggestions for any other pharmacuticals"

 

So it's basically - no you can't have it and you are on your own - tough cookies

SUX!

 

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Rusty Lenhof, Community Member
12/20/10 10:51am

I agree with Mary.

I called Xanodyne Pharmaceuticals and they are locked jawed.   

I hope many call to complain.

Phone: (859) 371-6383 and Phone: (908) 604-2354

They are just taking the complaints only, but at least they will have a file of

many complaints for use if a lawsuit is started in our favor.

My theory is, it's a medication that works for many and just a few had issues

and an attorney saw $$$$ signs in his head!

I do not want to go on two or three other medications to help my health issues

and have possible side effects which I have not had with Darvocet.

Rusty

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Regina Lilley, Community Member
12/ 7/10 9:27pm

I am so sorry for you Mary, I have some idea how you feel. I cannot take Ibuprofen or aspirin based pain medicine because of stomach surgery so I am really at a loss for something that works. But I think we have a lawsuit, I really do. The suffering and the loss that we are all experiencing needs to addressed. If we could find an attorney who would file a class action against the FDA and Public citizen, and EI Lily we might be able to get it back. I am working on this and if everyone else works on it we can unite and fight back! The first thing is to find an attorney. Lets GO!!!

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robin d, Community Member
12/ 7/10 9:33pm

count me in on any lawsuit against the FDA concerning Darvocet, i couldnt even get out of my car this evening i am in so much pain. 

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Regina Lilley, Community Member
12/ 7/10 9:58pm

I am so sorry Robin, I feel for you, I know my day is coming. Right now I still have some darvocet so I haven't had to face that yet. Our pain and suffering is real and we all need to start keeping diaries, so when we find an attorney who will take our case we will have a lot to sue for. They took it off the market because of the suffering of a few people who could very easily have just not taken it. Maybe we can show them a very large pissed off group of people who ARE NOT just going to sit here and take this. Hang in there sweetie, the fight is just beginning!

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katt, Community Member
12/23/10 4:03am

I think its a conspiracy to kill us all off! Anyone sick or old, the government figures we cost them to much to keep us alive.

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Regina Lilley, Community Member
12/24/10 2:41pm

HERE IS THE FDA'S E-MAIL ADDRESS, webmail@oc.fda.gov, PLEAESE FLOOD THEM WITH E-MAILS ABOUT PUTTING DARVOCET BACK ON THE MARKET. I sent them an e-mail asking that they publish a warning to go with the prescription and have us sign a release form, but for Gods sake put it back on the market for those of us who have nothing else to take. Keep e-mailing them, don't let up, if we want it back we need to fight. Call TV stations, call Fox news, we need to get vocal and let everyone know what the FDA has done to millions of us who have nothing else to take.

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Louise, Community Member
1/ 2/11 2:08pm

Count me in - I've just spent the past three weeks as you all have - trying different meds - dealing with the physical aspects of withdrawal - I can't take codiene or similar drugs - on low doses of heavier stufff which I wanted to avoid -- its all very discouraging and seems so unncessary to increase difficulty, pain and dramatically affect quality of life all in one fell swoop! Taking a medication off the market that has been on for 50+ years...I'm 65 years old and have taken excellent care of my health even with all the challenges I have now I truly believe the FDA is putting my health at risk by this insane need to medicate the pain adjust to ne medication and withdrawal all at once. I have had no heart ( or any difficulties) in the 30+ years that I have used Darvon. I'm so tired and in so much pain and hope tomorrow for this my fourth appointment with my MD in 3 weeks we'll come up with something. - Louise

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Regina Lilley, Community Member
1/ 2/11 5:31pm

I have tried vocodin, tylenol 3, percocet, opana (which is six times stronger than morphine and I had a severe reaction to it) tramadol, ultram, talacen (which I thought might help at first, but by the end of the day I was so drugged and had such a headache all I could do was go to bed), fiorocet which has a barbituate in it that makes you like a zombie all day and you cannot function. All of these have so much worse side effects and it has taken me days of just taking tylenol to clear out my system. Here is the FDA's new head: Dr. Margaret Hamburg and the only address I can find is 10903 New Hampshire Ave., Silver Spring, MD. 20993-0002. They don't make it easy to contact these people because they don't want to hear from us really. Maybe someone could write to the President and tell him what has happened and how the millions of us have been affected. He is looking for things to make him look human. Right now I am still trying to find an attorney and composing a letter to Dr. Hamburg. Feel free to write to her as well, the more letters the better. Please don't give up, we need to be a loud as we can. Chronic Pain is real, we are not drug addicts or prescription medicine abusers, we suffer from Chronic Pain and it does not make us any less important!!

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Debra, Community Member
2/ 2/11 10:21pm

Hello, and I am in.  Tell me who to contact or what to do or what attorney that will take a class action in our behalf.  I am trying to wean myself off Darvocet 100-650 and it is causing GREAT strife.  Chronic pain due to fibro, DDD, spasms, etc.  I am also allergic to most all other OTC drugs such as aspirin or suffer reactions from Naproxin, all codeines and sulfa drugs.... I could tolerate Darvocet and it worked very well at 2 times a day.

 

Please keep my email in mind.  

brenda

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Regina Lilley, Community Member
2/ 3/11 4:28pm

I cannot take anything else either, due to stomach surgery, there is no alternative for me either.  If you do some investigating, you will find out as I did, that the organization called Public Citizen literally paid for the new "study" that said Darvocet MIGHT cause heart toxcisity with promises of grants and other monetary benefits that will come their way if they did this "study" with the outcome that they wanted. Most of those people whom they said were affected cannot be found, and the one or two that can be found don't even know for sure what caused their heart problems. Public Citizen is wanting to control what Americans take and their next target is Acetominophen. So you are about to lose Tylenol as well. This won't stop, if they win with Darvocet and then Tylenol, what will be next? Will they then start telling you what you can read? What you can watch on TV? What can be taught in schools? This is not that far off, I am 62 and I have seen this before, when one group of people assume they know what is good for everyone else and you have no say in it, you are just a click away from the "State" dictating to you every aspect of your life, and all under the guise of looking out for your safety. People better start speaking up and writing letters to Dr. Margaret Hamburg who is the new head of the FDA and ask her why one of the safest mild narcotics in history has been removed because one group of people (Public Citizen) demanded it. There are millions of us out there with MS and Lupus and Arthritis and Fibromyalgia who have had their lives ruined by this because they can no longer function. When these people take their votes on these matters they should have to meet us face to face and hear and see what their vote is going to do. Their votes have human implications, and you cannot just devastate someones entire life without even considering them. I am still asking for as many of you as are able to write to Dr. Margaret Hamburg at 10903 New Hampshire Ave., Silver Spring, MD, 20993. or all 1-888-463-6332 or do both and demand that they put Darvocet back. It has less side effects than anything out there and there is no other mild narcotic like it, and we need it back. But we all have to make as much noise as possible or they will ignore us, which is what they are doing now. I am still searching for an attorney. Most of them have joined the bandwagon who are suing the makers of Darvocet. We, Chronic Pain sufferers have not even been given a glancing consideration because we are quiet, we are embarrassed to tell people that we take pain medication. Well it is time that we get very loud, we are not drug addicts, or second class citizens and we matter. But we have to let them know.

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Debra, Community Member
2/ 3/11 6:39pm

Thank you for the new information and I am going to write as well as call the person you have listed.  I'm going to blog around and give it out if works out.   

 

YOU KNOW< sounds like the Americans with Disabilities are being unfairly treated....it is against the federal ADA sponsored regulations to cause us grief.

 

I'd say a very high percentage of A Ds, like me, are affected with this arbitrary lobbying and testing causing associated consequences to our lives.   

 

THIS IS WHERE AN ATTORNEY would be successful

 

IF THEY SUED UNDER THE ADA.  I'm going to look into it

 

I am going to start campaigning with the Tea Party and AARP

 

YOU KNOW---this issue sounds like a TEA PARTY ISSUE!! does someone out there know anyone who would champion this issue to the Tea Party?  I am going to find the website and forward THIS ISSUE!!!!!  Pretty funny that it is illegal for us to buy oversees medicines BUT OUR GOVERNMENT CAN BUY IT AND SELL IT TO US? or take it away from us without a consensus?  who the hell voted THAT IN?

 

If we can find an attorney that would champion a Class Action suit for our Americans with Disabilities...that would bring this issue to the forefront.  

 

Please forward to all you can and I am going to start tomorrow with TEA PARTY and ADA, as well as notify several attorneys I have in mind....

 

WE MUST be counted as REAL PEOPLE BECAUSE WE ARE STILL BEING TREATED UNFAIRLY by own government.  We are quiet, but we have laws that protect us.  Let's start playing the game to WIN.

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Regina Lilley, Community Member
2/ 7/11 11:33am

Debra you are wonderful, that is what I have been saying. We are Chronic Pain sufferers and not drug addicts or prescription drug abusers. I am still trying to find an attorney and maybe the Americans with Disabilities is where we need to go. I sent a three page letter to Dr. Margaret Hamburg who is the new head of the FDA but I haven't heard anything yet. I am not giving up though. I am still going to fight. Two days ago the FDA Advisory panel decided to ban Percocet and Vicodin now so there will be more people affected as time goes on. This advisory panel answers to no one, and I have a real problem with "panels" who make these decisions behind closed doors and they don't have to answer to anyone for what they do. None of these people are effected by these decisions and we need to raise a very loud protest against these decisions. We need to call Fox News and see if we can get someone there to do a story on these decisions, they like to do stories about the human implications of these panels and if we shine a very bright light on these jerks maybe we could get our Darvocet back. It is worth a try and I am trying but we need ALL of us to call and ALL of us to write and bother our doctors about this.

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Debra, Community Member
2/ 9/11 6:09pm

You got it.  I'll go ahead and send FOX an issue request and Limbaugh.  He takes medication.  II'll hit up all the show hosts and request this issue to be heard.  I can't believe this is happening in USA, medicines being taken away due to liability?  and lawsuits?  and then we have the threat of the homeopathic industry being assaulted.  The situation is this:  who knows when this will stop.  We know drugs that fight cancer are carcinogenic...will they take them off the market too?  what about xrays?  is that what health reform is?  just take away all the things that help us and then nothing to go to the doctor for!!!  we just suffer and die early!!!  I am taking Arthrotec 50mg, they are working fine for me right now.  Actually better than Darvocet.  Although it has buffering agents, it still bothers my intestines a bit.

I'll get back with you later!  Just keep praying for our guardian angels to help us out. 

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MEM, Community Member
4/30/11 5:59am

Debra, how do you send an "issue request" to FOX? I am certain there are those who don't know about this web site.  I just "happened" upon it myself.  I've contacted everybody that has been suggested to contact ~ i.e., Regina and LSUMOM.  No response.  I guess unless we just "happen" to contact a person who has the same issues we do, we're "out in the cold."  We all know that unless you've "been there" it's hard to sympathize and very little gets done.  It's going to take somebody with a little bit of clout ~ whomever that might be ~ to get this issue rolling.  MEM

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Miki, Community Member
2/ 3/11 3:35pm

I think it is more important to find out if those individuals who had adverse reactions were abusers, had other comorbidities such as pre-existing heart disease, hypertension, renal disease, etc.  I think the pharmaceutical company is also looking at this in defense.  It is also important to find out where these came from and if they were in fact manufactured in accordance with FDA standards.  Many of you are given generics of Darvon/Darvocet.  Were these individuals on generics of Darvon/Darvocet?  An investigation has to be done because it is possible the supply is tainted or not within the guidelines of the standardized version of the pill. Look at your pills and see if you are taking a generic of the product or Brand; ask your pharmacist who produced the generic.

 

If there is a problem with the supply, then this will be addressed and changed.  The pharmaceutical company you are referred to by Lilly makes the generic form of the drug.  Many of these drugs are produced in China to keep costs low; but history has shown problems with cardiovascular drugs, as well as diabetes medications produced in other countries--including Puerto Rico--and have had problems with morbidity and mortality.  Without investigation, the maladies persist; remember other drugs are produced at these companies.  Those may also be at risk.  This is more than: should we pull it or not?

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Regina Lilley, Community Member
2/ 3/11 4:20pm

If you do some investigating, you will find out as I did, that the organization called Public Citizen literally paid for the new "study" that said Darvocet MIGHT cause heart toxcisity with promises of grants and other monetary benefits that will come their way if they did this "study" with the outcome that they wanted. Most of those people whom they said were affected cannot be found, and the one or two that can be found don't even know for sure what caused their heart problems. Public Citizen is wanting to control what Americans take and their next target is Acetominophen. So you are about to lose Tylenol as well. This won't stop, if they win with Darvocet and then Tylenol, what will be next? Will they then start telling you what you can read? What you can watch on TV? What can be taught in schools? This is not that far off, I am 62 and I have seen this before, when one group of people assume they know what is good for everyone else and you have no say in it, you are just a click away from the "State" dictating to you every aspect of your life, and all under the guise of looking out for your safety. People better start speaking up and writing letters to Dr. Margaret Hamburg who is the new head of the FDA and ask her why one of the safest mild narcotics in history has been removed because one group of people (Public Citizen) demanded it. There are millions of us out there with MS and Lupus and Arthritis and Fibromyalgia who have had their lives ruined by this because they can no longer function. When these people take their votes on these matters they should have to meet us face to face and hear and see what their vote is going to do. Their votes have human implications, and you cannot just devastate someones entire life without even considering them. I am still asking for as many of you as are able to write to Dr. Margaret Hamburg at 10903 New Hampshire Ave., Silver Spring, MD, 20993. or all 1-888-463-6332 or do both and demand that they put Darvocet back. It has less side effects than anything out there and there is no other mild narcotic like it, and we need it back. But we all have to make as much noise as possible or they will ignore us, which is what they are doing now. 

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Miki, Community Member
2/ 3/11 6:16pm

The trust and ability for new drugs from Lilly are at stake here--also, don't forget PROFITS.  Just because someone comes up with grandstanding does not mean they will win.  My money is on Lilly; they know how many millioins they will be out.  They have to defend their drug and will not settle without those individuals suing having to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that what happened to them was due to no fault of their own.  PIs will investigate them to death.

 

It is good for the public to detest the practice; I am a systemic lupus patient who fights everyday to remain active.  I also was a court reporter in NY specializing in Medical Malpractice and Pharmaceutical Malpractice--about 1% of the latter gets by and the drugs are restored to the market.  Unfortunately if the Pharmaceutical company does not pull the drug immediately, this can add up to billions of dollars.  I feel everytime they want to take pain meds off the market because teens are abusing them, it disgusts me.  We who need them will be denied--addicts, no matter how young should not get a free ride.  I plan to write a letter to the FDA and ask for an expeditious investigation as many who take the drug properly for many years are not having a problem with the drug.  However, as other drugs are returned to the market with restrictive caveats, this drug should not be denied to those who need compassionate care.  When a patient runs the gamut of pain medications and finds one that works, it is not easy finding a substitute; it takes approximately 6 months of trial and error for one drug.  At this point, other drugs are stronger and would prohibit a more normal life to those that must work, drive, operate mechanicals, provide for households--in and out, while attempting to lead a productive life and not burdening a system that cannot handle its present requests.

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Regina Lilley, Community Member
2/ 6/11 10:42am

Just an FYI the Advisory committee has now called for a ban on Percocet and Vicodin. They are going to wind up taking all pain medication off the market. We really need to get those letters and phone calls going. They are aiming at Tylenol now also, they want to take that off the market as well.

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jand, Community Member
1/ 8/11 2:17pm

I'm reading from a lot of you about sleep issues and fibromyalgia.

 

My rhuematologist prescribed clonazapem (sp) with the reasoning that it would help me rest when I sleep which would improve the symptoms of the fibromyalgia.

 

I too miss my Darvocet.  Although I did not take multiple doses per day, it was all that helped with my back pain and fibromyalgia flare-ups (short of steroids, which I resist taking). 

 

I agree that it makes no sense to suddenly remove this from the market with no notice to physicians or patients after so many years of successful use.

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shari, Community Member
12/16/10 8:20am

I couldn't agree with you more. I too have really bad arthritis and the only med that really "takes the edge off" is the Darvocet. I have taken it for 5 yrs now with no addiction problems, heart probs or anything else. I go off of them during the warm times of year but I have tried Vicodin and Percocett and they make my head woosy but don't touch the pain in my hands.

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shari, Community Member
12/16/10 8:35am

I don't like that feeling I posted above either, just want the hand pain to go away

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Regina Lilley, Community Member
12/16/10 9:52am

I too have just tried percocett and vicodin and something called Opana which I had a severe reaction to. Opana is a very strong and dangerous drug but they leave that on the market and pull a very safe drug like Darvocet off. We have to keep flooding the FDA and that Nazi organization Public Citizen with e-mails and faxes and phone calls. My doctor said if the outcry is loud enough and doesn't let up they might put it back on the market. Public Citizen is the organization that took Darvocet off the market for us, so they need to be told off daily and if we can we need to tie up their e-mails and their faxes and their phone lines. I send 15 e-mails, and 15 faxes, and 15 phone calls everyday. We cannot let up we need to be vocal. Also, Ralph Nader was taking this medication and he said that the people responsible for taking it off the market should lined up and shot. I sent him an e-mail trying to enlist his help. Please keep up the pressure everyone, we can win!!

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ozzy, Community Member
12/16/10 12:12pm

Maybe you could share the e-mail address and phone # along with the fax # so all of us could do the same. :)

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Regina Lilley, Community Member
12/16/10 3:05pm

Here is what I have:

 

Public Citizen 

Main office is:1600 20th Street NW 

                    Washington DC

Phone is 202-588-1000

E-mail them at hrg1@citizen.org

 

Food and Drug Administration

10903 New Hampshire Ave.

Silver Springs MD 20993-0002 PHONE 1-888-463-6332 also 301-796-8460

www.fda.gov or drug info@fda.hhs.gov or OSHI@fda.hhs.gov 

 

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Sharon, Community Member
12/28/10 3:29am

thank you for the info. I too have all the allergies others have had and Darvocet was the only thing that worked . I feel I have no choice with my own body. My doctor has tried others meds only they are so much stronger I don't want to take them. Count me in on any lawsuit to get Darovcet back . I will be e-mailing and calling  what ever I have to do to get Darvocet back on the market. I think we also need to tell our doctors to tell the pharm. reps. what we think.  

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Regina Lilley, Community Member
12/29/10 8:45pm

I am working on this, I sent Ralph Nader and email and asked him to help us. I think he was a Darvocet patient and was hopping mad about the removal. Here is his email info@nader.org. Send him an email and beg him to help us. He could attract an attorney who might do our class action lawsuit. If he is interested. Here is another email address for the FDA. druginfo@fda.hhs.gov. We have to make ourselves heard. My doctor said if we get loud enough they will have to listen. We need to keep contacting the FDA everyday and mention lawsuits for them destroying our way of life. I cannot function without Darvocet and all the rest of those painkillers are so strong and have so many more side effects than Darvocet every had; they are dangerous. I have asked the FDA to print a stern warning to accompany a Darvocet prescription and to provide us with a release form that we can sign if we still want to take it, but to please give it back to those of us who have been on it for years, but I haven't heard anything. I am sure they are ignoring me, and until we get on TV or we get someone like Mr. Nader to make some noise for us they will continue to ignore all of us. Call your local TV stations or Fox news and keep calling until we can get heard. We don't have to take this lying down!

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Louise, Community Member
1/ 2/11 2:26pm

Regina - Thanks for the info re Nader and FDA -I will e-mail and have done one to FDA - also am a member of American Pain Foundation and will contact them and post info here . Nader does seem like a good start for an attorney . Thanks

Louise

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Regina Lilley, Community Member
12/31/10 2:57pm

Here is something I have tried. There is a medication called Talacen 25-650. I took one and it gave me a headache and made me nauseated and very high. So I took 1/2 of a pill along with one extra strength tylenol and I have experienced some pain relief. I also made sure I took it on a full stomach. I did not get the nausea but I did get a mild headache that went away within 30 minutes. It certainly isn't the pain relief that I had with Darvocet but for the time being it will have to do. Everything else is so strong with so many serious side effects that I cannot take them. I am also going to write to EI Lily who makes Darvocet and I am going to offer to testify at these trials against them with these idiots claiming that Darvocet gave them "this and that" medical condition. They will probably just laugh at me but I am going to try. I am still looking for an attorney to take our class action suit. I am not giving up!

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MEM, Community Member
4/23/11 10:52am

Regina, did you contact Eli Lily and volunteer to testify at these trials against them claiming that Darvocet gave them "this and that" medical condition?  If so, did they respond to you?   MEM

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Danielle Pleas, Community Member
1/22/11 3:55pm

Thanks so much for the information. I will send the information ASAP. Davorcet is really the only way for me to function.

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MEM, Community Member
3/12/11 12:24pm

Regina, have you tried this?  If it works I'D BE GLAD TO TRY IT!!!

MEM

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Regina Lilley, Community Member
3/12/11 1:21pm

I'm sorry MEM, have I tried what? 

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Regina Lilley, Community Member
3/12/11 1:33pm

Currently I am taking two Tylenol 3's with one extra strength Tylenol. Much more tylenol than I like to take, but the super intelligent people at the FDA think that having more side effects is much better than having none as I had with Darvocet. It is no where near the pain relief that I had with Darvocet. But we are not raising enough noise, please, everyone write to Dr. Margaret Hamburg, 10903 New Hampshire Ave., Silver Spring, MD. 20993-0002. She is the new head of the FDA, we also need to be writing to our Senators, especially those who need to be re-elected, maybe we could find one who would help us. This was suggested by my Dr., and I have written to mine with no results. We all need to keep writing and looking for an attorney and we might get the Darvocet back. An attorney is hard to find because they all want to be in the money that is suing the makers of Darvocet, so finding an attorney with scruples will be almost impossible. We need to contact the Americans with Disabilities organization and seek some help from them. I am working on this, and I am awaiting a call, but each one of us needs to contact them.

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Regina Lilley, Community Member
4/24/11 2:45pm

Hey Mem, what did you say works? I didn't get the product name?

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di, Community Member
12/ 2/10 7:23pm

I totally agree, I have been taking 6 tablets a day for 25 years along with a muscle relaxer for my arthitis and TMJ and I can tell u right now Ultram does nothing for me...

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gg, Community Member
12/ 3/10 6:28am

I completely agree.They have probably had these same results for YEARS, but don't say anything until it no longer makes enough money for them!!! I have also taken this med for a long time. It is less expensive and works. You just KNOW there is some ulterior motive behind this. OK, investigative reporters, Find out who is taking "incentive" money at the fda and you will have quite a story. Let me hear the roar!!!

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Regina Lilley, Community Member
12/ 7/10 9:22pm

This is absolutely true! But the squeaky wheel gets the grease, we need to find an attorney who will do a class action lawsuit against the FDA, Public Citizen, and EI Lily. Is there a decent attorney out there that will help us fight back?

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Teri Robert, Health Guide
12/ 8/10 12:10pm

Who there! Eli Lilly had no choice in this matter. It's not their doing or their fault. They had to comply with the FDA.

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Regina Lilley, Community Member
12/ 8/10 7:12pm

No they didn't. They could have stood up to them and started a media campaign which all of us would have heard about BEFORE they pulled it. The outcry would have been (hopefully) so loud that maybe we could have had some effect before they pulled it. Since when did knuckling under pressure from some ***** know it all become a noble thing to do? They did it this way to keep the people who use this medicine quiet. We all just sit back and assume there is nothing we can do. Well maybe that is true since the people in this country have been content to give up all of their rights to the safety nazis everytime they want something removed "for safety". It is overdue that we stand up and use their tactics against them, lets sue them for the suffering we are doing now from yanking our medicine off the market without any warning.

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Teri Robert, Health Guide
12/ 8/10 11:04pm

Regina,

 

Yes, they did have to comply with the FDA. Pharma companies don't have the luxury of saying, "No," if they want to stay in business.

 

And, please, can we please remember that young people post to this site and keep the language "family friendly?"

 

Teri

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MEM, Community Member
3/12/11 8:01pm

I like your "gutsy" replies, Regina.  Maybe if we had more people like you they wouldn't  have pulled it in the first place.  I've talked to too many doctors to believe that Darvocet N 100 is a dangerous drug.  I believe if enough people "flood" the White House we can get something done.  I said MAYBE.

 

Mem

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Regina Lilley, Community Member
3/13/11 4:52pm

Thank you MEM, I truly believe that we are the victims here. You can't just pull a medication off the market after people have been relying on it for over 20 years. Darvocet is a mild narcotic with virtually no side effects. The jackasses at Public Citizen are responsible for this removal, and they also want to take Percocet and Vicodin and Tylenol off the market. The head idiot of this organization is truly dangerous because he wants all medications off the market, he doesn't believe pills should be on the market at all. And he wants all of us to dance to his tune. We must all comply with what he wants because he thinks he knows what is best for everyone. I think Adolf Hitler did this once before. People who demand that everyone do what they think is best are extremely dangerous, we need to find out who funds these morons and expose them. What is next? How long will it be until Public Citizen decides what movies you can watch and books you can read, these self righteous do gooders are very dangerous and it is only a matter of time before they start deciding how you can live your life. We need to keep up the pressure, and the way to do it now is to go public, if we could get a senator or a news program interested in running the story maybe we could expose some of these idiots for what they are. They removed Darvocet because Public Citizen asked for a new study to be done and they got the results of the test that they were looking for which was no surprise. They have tested Darvocet before and it is thousands of times safer than anything that is out there now, but after Public Citizen called for a test it mysteriously comes to new conclusions that it MIGHT cause heart toxcisity. MIGHT! You can send Public Citizen an e-mail at PublicCitizen.com and I hope you all do, I told them what self righteous jackasses they are and that they had ruined hundreds of thousands of lives, of MS patients and Lupus patients that were able to function because of Darvocet. You need to let them know that their actions have human implications and if we can we are going to expose them for the jackasses they are. In the mean time, keep writing to the FDA and calling your Senators and news programs, I am continuing to do all of this also. Send e-mails to DRUGINFO@fda.hhs.gov this is going to the FDA, we need to keep it up.

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MEM, Community Member
3/14/11 9:38am

Regina, I just typed a LONG message to you and when I clicked on "Post Reply" it wouldn't send the message telling me that someone else had my email address ~ which, of course, is me. 

 

HELP.  Is this the only way I can correspond with you?

 

MEM

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MEM, Community Member
3/14/11 4:19pm

Regina, thanks for your reply.  My first questions is ~ Do you think "el Rushbo" ~ better known as Rush Limbaugh ~ would be willing to "take this on?"  Only problem is I think he is probably very hard to reach.  I'm a real novice when it comes to this kind of "stuff" on the computer.  I typed a full page to you this morning, clicked on Post Reply and I got a message ~ after I typed in my name and email address  ~  that somebody else had that email address.  I know I must have done something wrong.  I wanted to say   "I don't think so."

Second question ~ Is this the only means whereby you can be reached? 

Mem

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Regina Lilley, Community Member
3/15/11 9:46am

Hi MEM, I am having a bad morning, I am in a lot of pain. I would contact anyone and Rush is a very good idea, I will get on that right away. I am still trying to find an attorney for us. I am contacting the Americans with Disabilities right now. Ralph Nader was one of us, he took Darvocet also, and at first he was outraged, he said "whoever took Darvocet off the market should be lined up and shot" so I sent him several e-mails asking for his help with no response, then I found out that the organization Public Citizen is an off shoot of one his regulatory organizations that he started 20 twenty years ago to regulate everything that we consume so he has been quiet since then. I will try Rush, I will try Greta Van Susterin and everyone at Fox news, but of course with this thing in Japan now no one is looking for a news story. I hope everyone out there continues to send letters to Dr. Margaret Hamburg and e-mails to the FDA, we need a spokesperson or an attorney, but if we keep the letters going at least they won't forget us. My Doctor was the one who suggested the Senators and I send mine e-mails everyday asking for help and everyone else needs to also. I would love to talk to you one on one, but I am hesitant to post my personal e-mail or phone number. Let me think if there is some other way to get them to you. I am not giving up, and I hope the rest of you out there don't either. 

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MEM, Community Member
5/25/11 3:08pm

Regina, are you out of commission again?  MEM

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Regina Lilley, Community Member
5/28/11 8:38pm

No not at all, just been a little sick, how are you?

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MEM, Community Member
6/ 8/11 11:31pm

I've been trying to reach you by Facebook and haven't had any success.  Any suggestions.  MEM (Emily Killingsworth)

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MEM, Community Member
6/10/11 1:30pm

I've been trying to reach you on Facebook under Regina Corn Lilley and I haven't been successful.  Any suggestions?  MEM (Emily Killingsworth)

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Regina Lilley, Community Member
6/10/11 9:05pm

Sorry my account was suspend per my request for another reason that I will explain to you. But I am back on Facebook. How are you? My e-mail is r.lilley@comcast.net..so send me an e-mail.

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catmandu, Community Member
11/18/11 11:14pm

Hi Regina, MEM, et al.,

 

I recently read an article, "Worst Pills, Best Pills/Public Citizen Scandal" by Mary Shomon, Your Thyroid Guide, highlighting the travesty perpetuated by Public Citizen about a long used thyroid medication based on "misinformation", "error-filled condemnation" and poor research instigated and dissemninated by the group.

 

Such an outcry was raised by grassroots groups and individuals who used the thyroid medication that they brought to bear enough publicity and pressure on Public Citizen to succeed in getting them to partially retract their condemning report. The keys to their success were focused, coordinated, well-informed, and well-organized campaigns of letter (email) writing and phone call complaints to Public Citizen staff and organizers, congressional, senatorial and other public service representatives, and the media.

 

I am including the links and addresses of individuals at Public Citizen that were contacted and published in the article by Shomon. You all know who your respective senators, congressmen, assemblymen, & representatives are, so make sure you include them in the complaint process and campaign. Maybe someone can find out who to contact on the Food & Drug Administration (FDA) side. 

 

Contact Public Citizen

Email Peter Lurie
Email Betty Blount
Email Sidney Wolfe
Email the Health Research Group

Or use their mail form online

or call them at 202-588-1000

Or write:

Public Citizen
1600 20th St. NW
Washington, DC. 20009

 

With foresight to preparing a "punt" plan, should it become necessary, you may wish to start internet researching the process for getting Darvocet declared an "orphan drug" through the FDA. Here is the link for the FDA page on the "Orphan Drug Act" of 1983:

 

http://www.fda.gov/RegulatoryInformation/Legislation/FederalFoodDrugandCosmeticActFDCAct/SignificantAmendmentstotheFDCAct/OrphanDrugAct/default.htm

 

If this type of campaign succeeded in a retraction on the part of Public Citizen, albeit a partial one, perhaps it can work on behalf of all who have safely and successfully used Darvocet for pain management in the 50+ years it has been on the market. Best of luck and best wishes to all.

 

Here are articles recapping the situation published on About.com...

 

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MEM, Community Member
11/26/11 8:29pm

Dear CATMANDU, I would like to thank you for your caring comments.    Believe me, I thought if there was ANYTHING that anybody could do ~ REGINA LILLEY had already done it.  I tell you, I'd give anything if we COULD get Darvocet reinstated.  I have taken it for YEARS and was no where near becoming addicted ~ but it was the only thing I have ever taken that didn't  make me feel "loopy" or eat my stomach up.  DARVOCET was truly a MIRACLE DRUG for me.  Again, if your suggestion can be done, REGINA LILLEY will do it.

Thanks again for your help.   MEM

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livinginpain, Community Member
12/16/10 4:00am

FDA recalled Darvon and Darvocett, not the generics. The makers of the generics were asked to voluntarily recall the product, they were not ordered to.... at the very least the FDA and the Generic manufacturers should have issued a public warning of their intentions and given Doctors and patients TIME to withdrawal slowly (as recomended by the FDA) and time to find a workable alternative. The recall has created more health issues then the Darvon ever did!

 

I have tried:

 

Ultram which give me a headache and mild insomnia, raises my BP, does not knock out the pain & makes me feel funky.

Morphine sulfate, Hydromorphone and some long acting Morphine, they all give me EXTREME insomnia, make me sleepy and I feel funky all over and a little creepy.

To counter the side effects of the pain meds and withdrawl symptoms they gave me clonidine, chlordiazepoxide, flexeril (for sleep) and I was already on Lorazapam, tramadol, Ibuprofen.

 

I am now in more pain then I have been in for years, I feel so bad I wonder if it is worth continuing trying new stuff because I am in my mid 40's and I do not want to live the rest of my life like this. I am taking twice as many medications then I ever took and have to worry about doing to much because my bp triple digits but when I go rest my bp drops to double digits and I might not wake up....I can barely function, it is insane!.... How did the Darvon recall improve my health and heart, IT DIDNT!!

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Eileen, Community Member
12/ 8/10 1:50pm

I hear lortab is an equivalent to Darvocet?

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Karen Lee Richards, Health Guide
12/ 9/10 2:34am

Lortab, which is a combination of hydrocodone and acetaminophen, is not an equivalent of Darvocet – it's quite a bit stronger.  Actually, Darvocet is a very weak opioid – about half the strength of codeine.  But for some reason, for some people, it seemed to work better than some of the stronger opioids. Technically, the next step up the strength ladder from Darvocet would be codeine or tramadol.

 

 

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Agent Skull, Community Member
12/14/10 8:57pm

Agent Skull:  Tramadol is a non narcotic that just makes me feel weird.  Does not affect acute chronic pain in feet due to non-diabetic neouropathy. Dont see how it could be even vaguley compard to Davocet, which only takes the edge off but then you can at least half way function w/o bouncing off the walls. 

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Miki, Community Member
2/ 3/11 3:53pm

Try Neurontin during the day and Perphenazine Amitriptyline in low dose at nightime for sleeping through.  This is prescribed by my endocrinologist for my leg neuropathy. 

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Dee, Community Member
12/22/10 1:50pm

I have been taking 1 Darvocet (propoxyphene) a day for twelve years for osteoarthritis and degenerative disc desease. Along with physical therapy and Darvocet, I had my pain management down to a fine art. I knew just the right time of day to take the Darvocet so itwould do me the most good. If I had a flare up where the pain was worse than usual, I would take 2 advil a day for three days for the inflamation. My life was happy, active and wonderful. active and happy anf

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Bob, Community Member
1/13/11 6:35pm

wow, and I though I was just one of a few who had been taking Darvacet several years for back pain issues.  Yes, Darvacet was for me the perfect solution for managing pain that fluctuates greatly from day to day.  I will be most happy to join efforts to bring about a law suit.  It has been a roller coster, unpredictable, lots of nausia and headaches, trying other pain medications. Right now I definitely will not go through with a trilevel disc replacement. This really, really is a bad life changing event.

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Concerned, Community Member
12/23/10 10:35am

How can Darvocet be so bad fo us after it has been used for 50 years?  My thoughts exactly.  So I looked at the FDA report that said the study was done with a group of healthly people.  They gave half the group 600mg total for the day and the other group 900 mg total for the day.  The results showed that there were significant changes to the electrical activity of the heart.  www.fda.gov/Drugs/DrugSafety/PostmarketDrugSafetyInformationforPatientsandProviders

 

I took one or two darvocet per day, it give me any problems either.  I could continue to function and care for my patients.  

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nurse81, Community Member
2/ 6/11 10:36am

i have been a nurse for thirty years and have experinced many people addicted to narcotics except darvocet. i have seen doctors take people off  n arctices cold turkey because the person  kept asking for more .  its not a  nice thing to see:  i have taken darvocet for many years for arthritis.   i have no addiction to darvocet.  i will be going for pain management soon and will never go  on another narcotic . i am hoping that cymbalta will help.  thank you everone for your input.  i have learned more from you then any doctor i have gone to for pain manageent.

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MEM, Community Member
7/28/11 1:55pm

I don't wish anything harmful to ANYBODY ~ but I wish all those clowns responsible for the removal of Darvocet could spend just ONE DAY in my shoes.  NOTHING BUT NOTHING controls my arthritic pain like Darvocet.  I hope your pain management works.  Mine DID NOT.

 

Mem

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Chysmommy, Community Member
11/27/10 7:29pm

You also need to talk your doctor about giving you something else since about two weeks ago the FDA took Darvocet off the market because it causes heart problems. When this medication did not work for me they moved me to Perks. Then some other medications then to Opana which works good if you look at my profile it will show you my medications they just added the long acting Opana which I will start this Monday.

 

I hope this helps. If any questions just ask me.

 

Heather

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Keepittomyself, Community Member
11/28/10 12:40am

I called my Dr's office on Wednesday when the Pharmacy told me they could not refill the Darvocet prescription my Dr. had just faxed to them. My Dr. knew nothing about the recall. I called Friday and again today and no one I spoke to knew about the recall???? An on-call Dr. finally called the Pharmacy and the Pharmasist recommended Ultram. I told the Dr. I already have Ultram they prescribe me to take inbetween doses of Darcovet and it does nothing for me and is what I have been taking since I ran out of Darvocet. I told her I was in withdrawals and I feel like hell. She said Ultram is what the pharmacist recommendation and was the closest thing to Darvocet so that is what she is prescribing at the same dose as the Darvocet.

 

Why do the Dr's not know about the recall or an alternative medication and that if I am in withdrawls and getting no relief from Ultram now another prescription is not going to help me!!??

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Hope, Community Member
1/ 5/11 7:28pm

Try asking about low doses of Methadone.  It is a very effective pain releif medication and will help with the withdrawal symptoms.  It is negatively associated with street addicts, but it can be a very effective pain medication.  It has a very long half-life and so it has a very gentle rise and fall in effectiveness, providing nice even pain relief.  I have a daughter who has chronic pain issues.  Another alternative is a fentanyl patch (generally a stronger alternative than the methadone, but of course it depends on dosing).  If it is legal where you are, cannabis can also be very helpful with withdrawal symptoms and some types of pain relief (usually neuropathic pain).  Ultram (Tramadol) can also be helpful to some people, but it is really only a little better than Extra Strength Tylenol.  It does seem to work better if you add Tylenol to it (and yes it is addictive, just like all pain medicines).  Good luck - I'm sorry you are suffering!

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Robert J Walker, Community Member
12/ 1/10 8:12pm

I have no answer. I need to know what medicine can help with pain like darvocet does.

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Readyforchangenow, Community Member
12/ 2/10 2:19pm

I too have suffered through 7 spine surgeries since a 2002 failed fusion. Like others mentioned here,  there is no substitute for Darvon (Darvocet in my case). I was in a solid cast after my fusion which had to be cut open and refitted because my stomach expanded so much because of Vicodin and Hydrocodone. It wasn't until then my doctor believed I had a severe reaction to both and gave me Darvocet, which had worked for all my subsequent operations. It just became extremely expensive this last time I picked up, though, and they were not available in pills to break in half any longer but solid coated forms.


So what is OPANA? Ultram, tramadol- none of those work with the kind of pain (spinal/nerve pain) we are talking about. I have had doctors give me all kinds of dumb meds that do not work in spine problems and severe nerve damage (sustained form the operations).


What I want to know is- why they haven't pulled OXYCONTIN and other heavy opiates/barbituates that cause severe health/addiction problems? Thus, I don't buy the story about all patients having heart rythym problems as a side effect.


Is it true they are going to reformulate it? What will be the formula (that is will it work)? How can I possibly convince my new spine doctor to give me a substitute (maybe Percocet- do they still make it?) that isn't hydrocodone or Vicodin. They can't believe I accepted taking a pain med than isn't as strong to begin with- like all folks here, it's all I know that can tolerate!


Please continue to post any and all. The FDA does not want to acknowledge us. I have left feedback there. I would you suggest to do the same, because apparently they think there is only a handful of us and clearly, we don't matter.


Thanks for any all.

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Lfloyd, Community Member
12/ 3/10 9:42am

I too have taken Darvocet for 20 years, with no health problems.  I have severe arthritis and lower back pain.  I even went through the shots at a pain clinic where they inject a "cushioning" into your back but two weeks after the last injection (spread over 3 months) the pain was back.  Ultram does nothing for me but give me a stomach ache.  Darvocet along with muscle relaxer (1 a day and 2-3 darvocet a day) this control my pain so I can exercise and walk up and down the stairs at work multiple times a day (we have no elevator).  I have been miserable now for 3 weeks.  With the weather change and barometer changes my joints ache something terrible .....I am seeing my doctor next week and am bringing copies of this blog with me...  I hear your pain people!!  We need to write the FDA even though it will do no good.  They took my Vioxx off the market and now this.... I just can't stand it.... and given us no clear alternatives.

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GIGI8, Community Member
12/ 7/10 5:17pm

what is a good alternative to

 

darvocet N100 pharmacist says none

Does any one know?

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livinginpain, Community Member
12/12/10 12:54am

Regarding Ultram: (which does not work well)

 

Please see my post above.  My pharmacist says many docs are prescribing ultracet which is a combination of ultram with a low dose of tylenol.  Since I already had Ultram from a previous prescription(didn't work very well at all), I got the pharmacist's ok to take one regular strength tylenol (325 mg) along with my Ultram 50 just to see if Ultracet may work for me.  I was very surprised that the pain relief from this combination was equivalent to darvocet n 100 that I have been taking for 4 years.  It does make me more tired than darvocet did, but I'm hoping that maybe this will subside over time.  Please check with your doc before trying this since your situation may be different than mine.  But, apparently the added tylenol enhances the pain reliever in ultram.

 

Ultimately, I hope darvocet is put back on the market since it was perfect for me and judging by this blog, it was perfect for a lot of people.  If you remember, the same think happened with celebrex a few years back and its back on the market now, so maybe there's some hope.

 

Good luck to you all, my prayers are with you and please keep me in yours!

 

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smithology, Community Member
12/16/10 3:27am

I'm currently searching for an alternative after finding out today, when I went to get my refill of Darvocet, that the FDA banned it. Honestly, I'm pissed, it truly is the only med that has worked consistently to alleviate the pain I have from Trigeminal Neuralgia.  My doc temporarily prescribed Tramadol, and first time taking it made me nauseous and light-headed, and still with nerve pain. Additionally, I don't want to take something that's so addictive.  I took Darvocet almost 2 years without any side-effects.  My neurologist has tried all of the newer nerve pain meds they don't work (Lyrica has eased the pain minimally), and only leave me with bothersome side effects.  Right now I hate the FDA, you don't abruptly discontinue a medicine that a patient needs to taper off.

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livinginpain, Community Member
12/16/10 4:08am

I hate the FDA too!! My insurance won't allow my Dr. to treat fibromyalgia so they aren't even allowed to prescribe Lyrica, I find this rediculous also. Any medication that is not on the "insurance approved list" I have to pay for myself. I have tried my last insurance approved pain med, other then methadone and Dr. said we would start on none approved pain releavers OR she could keep writing me prescriptions for Darvocett and I could buy it over the internet from other countries....I am going to look into that. If I have to pay for my own pain meds I would rather pay for something I know works.

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linda, Community Member
1/ 3/11 1:32pm

contact   webmail@oc.FDA.gov

Lilly Corporate Center
Indianapolis, Indiana 46285 USA
Phone: +1-317-276-2000 or 1-800-545-5979

www.xanodyne.com   Call 908-604-2354  or 859-371-6383   Here is what we should do! Flood the FDA and EI Lily  and xanodyne with e-mails asking them to put Darvocet back on the market. Make the outcry so loud that they cannot ignore us.
 But flood the FDA with e-mails demanding that they put it back on the market or maybe we will sue them for the suffering we will endure by them taking Darvocet off the market. We shouldn't just accept this, we should fight back! We have taken Darvocet for years with no side effects and our needs should count for something. Start fighting and sending those e-mails and calling them daily. If we all fight back maybe we can get it back.
Taking a medication off the market that has been on for 50+ years...I'm 60 some years old and have taken excellent care of my health even with all the challenges I truly believe the FDA is putting my health at risk by this insane need to pull from the market a mild pain control substance and leaving ones that are so much more addicting and with ingredients that cause one not to be able to function. I for one want to be able to function in my everyday lifestyle... Go to this site if you want further information on what pain you are allow to us private citizens by not allowing our health care medication. http://www.healthcentral.com/chronic-pain/c/question/592708/56123   Thank you for your attention in this urgent matter.  

Linda

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ozzy, Community Member
1/ 5/11 11:35am

Sent my e-mail yesterday to the FDA Hope they read them.

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Grace, Community Member
2/13/11 2:54am

Here's an online petition people can sign to try to bring back Darvocet: http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/bringbackdarvocet/    Problem is, I think a lot us are embarrassed to publicly acknowledge that we need Darvocet in order to function. I have fibromyalgia. This was the only drug that helped. Everything else was either too strong/harsh, or just plain too expension. Or didn't work at all. Where's the compassion in this world? People who don't suffer from chronic pain conditions just don't understand.

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Bring Back Darvocet, Community Member
5/15/11 1:28pm

Thank you for sharing that petition to sign with us.  I actually started that one.  I've found that it cannont be taken seriously with people signing such as "Pee Wee Herman" and "Spambot" and JD.... here is a new DEDICATED site to sign a petition which will be brought to the Government / FDA.    http://bringbackdarvocet.com/

PLEASE SIGN THIS ONE!

Thanks all!

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MEM, Community Member
5/15/11 2:09pm

When will we know the results of the "Bring Back Darvocet" petition?  And, will you keep us advised of the outcome?  MEM

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MEM, Community Member
5/15/11 2:14pm

When will we know the results of the "Bring Back Darvocet" petition?  And, will you keep us advised of the outcome?  MEM

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Bring Back Darvocet, Community Member
5/15/11 9:14pm

It's hard to say when we'll see results. It could take a while. I'm expecting to be speaking with a laywer & my representative very soon.  Hopefully I'll have more answers then. After that I hope to have an idea of when I'll close the petition. I'll do my best to post here but I might forget, (chemo brain) the best thing to do would be to check the site.  I'll be adding a blog to it for comments & updates & a facebook page as well.  I have high expectation for this petition.  I hope to get an unGodly amount of signatures to support this effort.

In the mean time make sure you all sign the petition AND write to your representatives relentlessly.  I hope to get some sample letters up soon where you can just copy and paste, sign your name and send it off.

Thanks everyone!

bringbackdarvocet.com

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MEM, Community Member
5/19/11 6:27am

In response to "bringbackdarvocet" ~ I love the fact that you plan to "get some sample letters up soon where you can just copy and paste, sign your name and send it off."  I'm waiting for just that!!!!!   You can't do it soon enough.  By the way, is ANYBODY optimistic that we WILL "GET DARVOCET BACK?"  MEM

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MEM, Community Member
5/21/11 10:51am

Can you tell me why part of the bottom of the page is cut off?  It very well could be the last sentence, but  I can't read it.  By the way ~ have you heard anything else ~ any news concerning Darvocet?

 

Thanks.

MEM

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Helen, Community Member
7/29/11 6:54pm

Hello, fellow pain sufferers, I just signed the petition, I was #141. I am not embarrassed to say that taking Darvocet made my quality of life better. I am hoping that who ever reads my email will be courageous enough to sign the petition and will encourage friends and families to do the same. As a child of the sixties, I saw petitions work many times. I am praying that they still valuable tools. Best of luck to all who read this.

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MEM, Community Member
7/29/11 8:48pm

Helen, I just read your response concerning signing the petition.  May I ask what petition you are referring to?  I haven't heard of this and I would like to participate in something that special, especially since I have been so interested in this "lame" Darvocet scheme.

 

Thanks.  Emily (Mem)

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linda, Community Member
1/ 3/11 2:48pm

FACT:

Propoxyphene, which is contained in Darvon and Darvocet, is an opioid used to treat mild to moderate pain. Darvon was first introduced in 1957. Now, the drug is most commonly prescribed as Darvocet, which combines the active ingredient in Darvon with acetaminophen, the active ingredient in Tylenol. Darvocet's use is not limited to a small number of people. In fact, it has been prescribed for more than 22 million people and is one of the 25 most commonly used prescriptions.

 why so long to determine the need to withdraw from the market by the FDA?

Revaluation is needed here

linda

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Pam, Community Member
1/ 5/11 12:54am

What can we do! I have taken darvon compound since 1966 and it was taken off the market in 2007. So I switched to Darvon 65 mg. I have severe tight muscles in my neck and upper back and have found nothing that works as well as Darvon. My doctor prescribed Vicodin and it is not the same and does not help the pain. I have been taking 3 Darvon a day for years and years now with no problems. Just the thought of no more Darvon gives me a terrible neck pain. Have enough left for about a month only. Am so dreading the day I run out! Any suggestions?

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Hope, Community Member
1/ 5/11 8:25pm

It sounds like you might have neuropathic pain.  If you do, sometimes Lyrica or an older (similar) medication called Gabapentin (Neurontin) can be helpful.  You will need some kind of opiate, though to ease you through withdrawals.  Methadone is a good pain alternative and also helps with withdrawals.  If cannabis is legal where you are at, it can be very helpful with neuropathic pain, also.  I know people have a real problem with cannabis thinking it is an excuse for recreational use, but it really does have medical properties and fewer side effects than many other pain medications.  You can use it in an edible form or vaporize it.  I don't recommend smoking it - that's just not healthy.  Just FYI I am a very conservative person who has NEVER been a recreational cannabis user.  My experience comes from my disabled daughter who has chronic pain related to progressive muscular dystrophy and complications from a spinal fusion.

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Regina Lilley, Community Member
1/ 6/11 8:01pm

If you read the study it is nothing but guesses and conjecture. There is nothing concrete in it. The woman who brought this all on says she "thinks" her heart problems were caused by Darvocet she doesn't even know for sure. The head of the FDA is Doctor Margaret Hamburg, 10903 New Hampshire Ave., Silver Spring, MD. 20993-0002. Write to her and ask her to just publish a warning and a release form and have all the people who have no other choice of pain medicine to sign it and then give it back to us, the people who have no other choice. They don't have to write any new prescriptions for new patients but just let the people who have been on it for twenty years have it back, please.

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MEM, Community Member
4/22/11 3:02pm

That's a very good question, Linda ~ the fact that Darvocet has been prescribed since 1957 and now ~ 50 some odd years later, it's become a problem.  So some 22 Million people take Darvocet with seemingly no known side effects and b/c a precious few had a reaction, the rest of us have to suffer.  I really do feel sorry for those who CANNOT take it, but why should those of who who CAN take it have to suffer.  There are side effects to EVERY medication taken for SOME people ~ obviously not the same side effect, and not the same prescription ~ but please tell me WHY DARVOCET when there are hundreds of other medications with hundreds of side effects and probably hundreds of deaths ~ that are STILL ON THE MARKET!  I have a very bad back condition that Darvocet seems to be the only thing that controls the pain.  I have tried everything my doctorS have recommended but, unfortunately, most pain medications cause a terrible reaction to my stomach.  I tell you, I would imagine that if some of those responsible for the pulling of this prescription suffer the pain that some of us do, they would go to great lengths to get it reinstated.   I have been taking it for at least 40 years with absolutely no side effect.  Has anybody else heard of anything that can be done?  MEM 

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Bring Back Darvocet, Community Member
5/15/11 1:32pm

The number one reason is OVERDOSE. There have been suicides with it.  There is no supporting evidence to deaths from heart attack BECAUSE of Darvocet/Darvon.  The people that had trouble with this medication were also on other medications at the time.

http://bringbackdarvocet.com/

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MEM, Community Member
5/15/11 2:17pm

If the people that were taking Darvocet were also on other medications at the time ~ how can "they" be so SURE it was Darvocet?  MEM

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Bring Back Darvocet, Community Member
5/15/11 9:03pm

EXACTLY!  They aren't.  They were just pushed by a "Citizen Group" to drop it. I found docementation (by doctors) to support this petition to bring it back.  I'll be posting it on bringbackdarvocet.com soon as I can.  Seriously, I think we have a shot here.

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MEM, Community Member
5/15/11 10:46pm

FANTASTIC!!!  You can't post it on "bringbackdarvocet.com" too soon.  Smile  MEM

 

Regina, are you reading this?

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MEM, Community Member
5/16/11 1:16pm

Check spelling on "bringbackdarvocet.com" ~  the words "patients" should be "patience."  In the last sentence, "medicines be ban" should be "medicines be banned." 

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Bring Back Darvocet, Community Member
5/16/11 8:27pm

Thanks Mem!  I'm normally a stickler for proper grammer and spelling, and I completely missed that and patience!

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MEM, Community Member
5/20/11 9:11am

I just called and spoke with someone at XANODYNE (maker of Darvocet).  The ONLY thing she could say was "We have no information concerning that" to every question I asked.  I guess they're afraid something they say might be misconstrued or misquoted and they'd wind up in trouble.  But I can tell you, if all the consultants are like her, youl'll get NOWHERE ~ FAST.  So, I guess we can safely say ~ "Don't expect cooperation from Xanodyne".  Or at least I can say that.  MEM

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MEM, Community Member
5/25/11 2:58pm

I would like to know if anyone has heard of something called "black label" prescription?  I was told today that there is something referred to as that ~ Black Label ~ where there is a special note on the prescription label that you can take the prescription at your own risk?  Does anyone know anything about this? Has everyone given up on trying to "bring back Darvocet?"  I haven't seen anything mentioned lately.  MEM

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tallgal, Community Member
1/12/11 1:46pm

I've had fibromyalgia since 1996 and have taken all the drugs they think will help including Vioxx which kind of helped.  Ultram gives me massive headaches and I already have too many of those, can't do vicodin and its relatives (messes with the brain and hallucinations) , can't do codeine or percocet and am allergic to adhesive tape so I can't do pain patches.  What a mess!   Darvocet was working at least to take the edge off the pain and make me functional within the pain.  I am usually on a scale of 1-10 a 9 to 9.5 so I just have learned to manage.  I too am looking for a replacement drug.  800mg motrin works but I am having one more surgery within the month so I have to stay away from the blood thinning drugs until that is over.  I guess I will just turn into a painful, statue for now.  Hope they are possibly going to re-release it sometime this year, but I doubt it.  Anyone have any other suggestions? 

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Pain4me, Community Member
1/13/11 3:04pm

Jeeze does this sound familiar! I suffer from spinal problems, migraines, & fibromyalgia.

 

Known Allergies: adhesives, sulfa-drugs, PCN, codeine, topomax, Cephalexin/Keflex/Doxycyclin, Erythromycin, Biaxin, Torodal, Medrol, Bupap(Bupar?), Neurontin, Ibuprofen, Aspirin, Celestone. Think I'm missing a few...

 

Non-working medicines: Relpax, Maxalt, Imitrex, Fioricet, Midrin, Valium, & some others.

 

Ultram/Tramadol dulls the pain but my head feels weird while taking it & I have trouble sleeping. Ultracet works a little bit better, but it is a "black box" drug & I still have trouble sleeping. 2 Aleve only work for about 3-6 hours & 4 ES Tylenol only last 3-4 hours.  

 

And I don't dare try alcohol because I *know* I won't be able to quit that.

 

Anyone with any suggestions?

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sue, Community Member
1/24/11 3:23pm

I have been dealing with all the problem associated with RA and back pain.......the doctor and I have tried all kinds of drugs and combinations and nothing works......I also take Humaria and that does limit it somewhat....tried to call the FDA and allI got was voice mails even when I held for 2 hours......they took it off the market because it was cheap and it worked.........that is the only reason...one law suit wiped out all of the profit they were making so they just took if off so there would be no chance to have any more law suits....that is the total reason for this whole terrible mess...I have been in pain since I took the last darvon.......I can not take  acetaminomphen.....so I don't know what will happen....I know I am quiting my job because I cannot function at work with this pain......I was hoping I could buy it in Canada, but so far no lucl.............best wishes to all

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Miki, Community Member
2/ 3/11 2:01pm

Check out Medtronics implant; then you do not have to use any pain management pharmaceuticals.  I have this device implanted to avoid taking pain medications; this was done after having one third of my lower spine surgically repaired through manipulation, fusion, and rodding.

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Debra, Community Member
2/ 9/11 5:56pm

Hello to all.  ARTHROTEC 50mg.  I am having great results.  I have to pay more for the drug but will probably stick with it since the Darvocet is now extinct.  Just thought I would put it out there that the Arthrotec is working for 1) inflammation 2) long-term pain for my arthritis, degenerative discs, fibro and all other nuisances my body throws at me daily.

 

I hope all are doing better this week.  

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Medstudent489, Community Member
2/20/11 11:45am

My 94 year old Moher has terminal liver cancer and is in severe pain. She also has taken Darvocet N100 for years and is now left with nothing to ease her pain.  She has alllergies to other "hard" narcotics.  How can the FDA justify their actions when so many are left with so much pain? 

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Regina Lilley, Community Member
12/ 8/11 4:55pm

I am soooo sorry to hear about your Mother. Margaret Hamburg is an Obama appointee and she operates like a dictator. She had no problem removing Avastin from the breast cancer patients, despite their impassioned pleas for her to leave it alone. Those women asked the drug company to sue the FDA and the drug comany said that they are afraid of her. That they have been told that if they did sue the FDA she would make sure that no other drug of theirs would ever be approved again. This is mobster mentality..absolute madness...thuggery at its best! Ron Paul said that the FDA needs to be dissolved because all they do is keep good medicine away from the people who need it. He is right! We need to remove Obama and then we can get rid of Hamburg and her thugs and then we can move to control access to our medicines. Our Darvocet is small potatoes to her, we are Chronic Pain sufferers and anyone who supports us is made to look like they are "supporting narcotic use", which no one wants to be associated with. There is an attorney who is trying to help us, her name is Barbara Maw, her e-mail is info@barbaramawlaw.com and she could use help from fellow attorneys or any of us who can be of help. We stand ONE chance of getting our Darvocet back and that is to get rid of Obama and all of his thugs, and give the power back to the people. I sincerely hope your Mothers situation improves, it makes me so angry when I hear stories like this. 

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db2000, Community Member
3/ 5/12 9:21pm

There are so many factual errors and bizarre right-wing anti-Obama conspiricy theorys and plain crazy fiction mixed in with Fox news imagery that it is totally absurd.

Rather than a long lecture, here are the 2 most important items:

1. Darvocet contains a large dose of acetaminophen. Darvon contains only Dextropropoxyphene (aka propoxyphene). Acetaminophen causes liver damage and does nothing to increase the pain relieving qualities of Darvon

2. Darvon, Darvocet, etc have been on the chopping block for at least 7 years. In January 2009, an FDA advisory committee voted 14 to 12 against the continued marketing of propoxyphene products. These were BUSH appointees and hardly a strong endorsement.

I have not found a suitable replacement for Darvon and would support bringing it and all forms of propoxyphene back to the US market.

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Regina Lilley, Community Member
3/ 6/12 5:38pm

Like I said, it does not matter whether you are left or right, the facts remain the same. Margaret Hamburg and Kathleen Sebelius are Obama appointees. They answer to no one, which means they can do whatever suits them. I would be calling for the same removal regardless of who was in office. ANYONE who appoints people like Hamburg and Sebelius and then does not recognize that they are out of control needs to be voted out!! We have tried reasoning, we asked to be able to address the panel that voted, we asked for a release form for those of us who had taken the medication for over 20 years without one side effect, and we were shut out without one response from Hamburg. Millions of lives have been devastated by this removal, and she made no move to help us. She is the one who gives us no other choice but to change administrations. Ask the MS, Lupus, and Disk Degenerative patients if they want their Darvocet back and if they would be willing to vote whoever is the President out in order to get it? 

 

As for the medication Acetaminophen, it can cause liver damage, but it does not always cause liver damage. The medications to replace Darvocet have thousands of much more serious side effects than Darvocet ever had. My point is that if you take something and you have a reaction then just don't take it anymore, but a bunch of self righteous do gooders who want to dictate to everyone else how to live need to find something else to do. It is none of their business what I take, that is supposed to be between me and my Doctor. I do not want ANY politician in my medicine cabinet, I do not want ANY politician making life or death decisions for me EVER! Have you ever known the government to get involved in something and make it better? Absolutely not! Check out Dr. Sidney Wolfe, he has been trying to get into the FDA for years and he finally accomplished that with Hamburg. This is a very dangerous man, he wants all pills removed, yes that is right, all pills removed because none of us need medication. He is right out of 1930's Germany! He is so full of himself that he truly believes that we should all live like he does, and if we don't want to then we need to be re-educated! Where have I heard that before? 

 

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db2000, Community Member
3/ 7/12 1:44pm

You are raving about a political issue that has nothing to do with President Obama or anybody he appointed. Darvon is banned world-wide. That is a fact. It is NOT a liberal left-wing conspiracy regardless of your far-fetched opinions (not facts). Go back to the tea-partiers with this nonesense of making stuff up and then believing in it.

An example: "The medications to replace Darvocet have thousands of much more serious side effects than Darvocet ever had." This is NOT a fact. This is you making things up.

Another one "Have you ever known the government to get involved in something and make it better? Absolutely not!" This is not true at all. The government has done many good things as well as many bad things.

And another :"Margaret Hamburg and Kathleen Sebelius are Obama appointees. They answer to no one, which means they can do whatever suits them." This is utter nonesense.

And on, and on.....

Your paranoia level is off the charts if you think there is a conspiracy to get you and other Darvon users. This is crazy talk.

I don't believe propoxyphene should have been taken off the world-market and have contacted the FDA while Bush was President (and btw when the anti-Darvon campaign was in full swing) as well as recently. I got the same basic form letter from them under both Presidents.

Bye crazy lady. I won't be back.

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darvon is the best, Community Member
3/31/12 1:26pm

Thank for addressing those who are full of big conspiracy talk!

I'm not at all happy about no Darvocet or Darvon. Eki Lilly has been fighting to keep this drug on the market for over 20 years & it's not right that the US caved to England's problems & greedy suing lawyers (liars).

I'm taking hydromorphone (2mg) and hydrocodone (5mg) together and it works pretty good but not as good as Darvon.

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MEM, Community Member
3/31/12 4:29pm

Do you know how to do this ~ a means of bringing propoxyphene (Darvon) back to the U.S. market?  I, for one, would be ecstatic!!  It's the one and ONLY pain medication that eased the horrible back pain I have with no side effects.  If you know of a way, I'd sure like to know.  It was also a wonderful pain reliever for me when I had cancer in 2001.

Emily

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Grace, Community Member
3/16/11 4:41pm

My doctor just put me on a pain patch called Butrans. I have chronic pain & fatigue from fibromyalgia. Darvocet worked great - helped me to function. No problems. But now... I'm at a loss. Vicodin is too strong and makes me dizzy & sick. So I'm on the 4th day on this new patch. So far, it is not helping with the pain. How long does it take to start working? Has anyone else tried this patch? Did it work for you? It's the lowest dose available, and that might be the problem. I pray this will work. God bless you, all. And help you find relief that works for you. (Or God, please give us back our Darvocet so we can live!)

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denisefaith, Community Member
5/ 2/11 8:02pm

Hi have you try oxcontin 10 -40 mg is for short term  higher dosage is fo long term pain because itcomes in extended relase for also morphine in thehigher doses from 40 mg and highr

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oldhippie, Community Member
5/19/11 2:12am

i8'm looking for the same answer

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Dentaldoc, Community Member
11/26/11 11:28am
I am a dentist in practice for nearly 30 years. I see patients in pain on a regular basis. Motrin 800mg has been excellent for many types of pain and especially the inflammation associated with tooth, bone and gum pain. HOWEVER, many patients cannot take ibuprofin due to stomache issues, nor can they tolerate codeine or Vicodin. Darvocet N-100 has been an incredible, yet incremental pain reliever. The next level of pain meds I have prescribed is Percocet (oxycontine) which is more dangerous, addictive, and debilitating to most. I was caught off guard when the FDA ordered the removal of Darvocet from our practicing options. I have never had a patient who had a problem with Darvocet, though I have only prescribed it for acute pain and short durations (a few days or a week or two). During our pharmacology class in the early 1980's, we were told THEN, than the research done on it was no better than a placebo!? That made no sense to me. As a younger adult I was prescribed Darvon for back pain related to a sports injury. It gave me appropriate pain relief, no euphoria, and I did not become addicted. So even in dental school, I completely dismissed that study referenced by the pharmacology department. I have learned through treating thousands of patients that human beings are not all the same when it comes to chemistry in the blood stream and at the pain receptor sites. I remember one patient I treated for a stretch of time where Percocet was the only med that worked to relieve his pain. Several other patients have told me that even Motrin gave them a "buzz" and didn't want to take it unless it was at my urging or unbearable pain! When it comes to drug chemistry and individuals, it is just not scientifically or empirically accurate to suggest that one drug--or class of narcotic--fits everyone. For the very first time in my 30 years, I am forced to file a DEA triplicate form to my Rx supplier in order to have Percocet on hand for those times I can't phone in something for a patient in acute pain, yet a family can come to my office to pick some up. :-(( As a clinician and researcher I am against bureaucrats and policy wonks practicing health care by opinion, politics and proxy. I agree that the administration and appointees at the FDA need to change. Hopefully, we won't replace activism with apathy--which is usually the trade-off. Reply
darvon is the best, Community Member
3/31/12 1:33pm

I'm taking hydromorphone (2mg) and hydrocodone (5mg) together and it works pretty good but not as good as Darvon.

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MRMIKET, Community Member
9/ 9/12 11:59pm

I got 6 broken ribs @ 22 years ago

The DR gave me Darons/Darvocets

They were the ONLY pain killers

that worked for me

All the others PERS etc

Give me side effects

ie. SICK AS SHIT or SPACED OUT ETC...

PAIN IS REAL !!!

GET BROKEN RIBS

NO MARINADE HELPS

CRACK or 20 shots of WHISKEY DO NOT HELP !!!

YOU CAN NOT COUGH,LAUGH OR FART SIDEWAYS

PAIN IS REAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SO I have taken Ds for 20+ years

I broke 6 more ribs 4 years ago

AGAIN

 & the ER gave me 

MORE Ds

HAPPY HAPPY JOY JOY

3 weekls ago I cracked another rib

SEEMS TO BE MY KARMA
I have @ 50 Ds left &

THEY BETTER BE PUT BACK ON THE MARKET

OR YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE ONE
SORE & PISSED OFF PUPPY HERE

THE SOLUTION IS SIMPLE

WE need a grass roots MOVEMENT

OLDER FOLKS  > I AM 62

TO PROVE THIS LIE IS FALSE

BACKED UP BY AN ATTORNEY & A CONGRESSMEN/SENATOR

BERNIE SANDERS comes to mind

TO FIGHT THE PHARMS & LOBBIEST

POWER TO THE PEOPLE
POWER IN NUMBERS

In todays politics

THAT IS ALL THAT CAN FIGHT THE $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

 I HATE PAIN !!!!

IT SCREWS UP YOUR LIFE

ESPECIALLY YOUR LOVE LIFE

SO LET'S DO IT

If you are with me

JOIN THE CAUSE

mrmiket@comcast.net

PEACE MR MIKE

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