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Q: DOES SUBOXONE WORK FOR PAIN ?

I AM CURRENTLY ON AVINZA(120mg/1 cap a.m.)AVINZA(60mg 1 cap @bedtime). PERCOCET(10/325) AS NEEDED FOR BREAKTHROUGH PAIN. KLONOPIN(1mg twice daily). LIDO-DERM PATCHES (12 HRS ON/12 HRS OFF) TO AFFECTED AREA.

I HAVE HAD 3 RHIZOTOMIES ON MY BACK(facet problem). ALSO 3 KNEE ARTHROSCOPES. I HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT I AM NOT A CANDIDATE FOR A KNEE REPLACEMENT DUE TO A PRIOR CASE OF ENDO-CARDITIS.  EVEN FOR THE 4 YEARS THAT I'VE STARTED ON THESE

MEDS, I AM STILL IN A GREAT DEAL OF PAIN.

IF I DETOXED OFF ALL THESE MEDS. WOULD I GET ANY PAIN  RELIEF FROM THE SUBOXONE?         ANY SUGGESTIONS?             PLEASE HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!   AT THIS POINT I AM WILLING TO TRY JUST ABOUT ANYTHING!!!!    THANK-YOU......

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Karen Lee Richards, Health Guide
12/14/09 11:27am

Yes, Suboxone is supposed to provide some pain relief.  Here is a link to more information about it:  Suboxone: An Exit Strategy

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Oxycontinsneveragain, Community Member
2/ 7/10 10:47pm

No. You will have to be detoxed in a hospital, first of all, by the doctor prescribing suboxone (for chemical dependency) because it is not approved yet for pain management although a doctor with a certificate in its use can use up to 30 patients for clinical studies of it. I went into the hospital thinking that I was only there to be switched from Avinza 90mg per day to suboxone for pain management.

 

When I got my bill from the hospital, I was livid that it stated that I had been in the hospital for chemical dependency--so that Medicare would cover it. It did nothing to stop my pain; however, since I had been detoxed for the first three days during my stay of eight days, it had its good sides eventually in that I did not crave anything else mentally. But, and this is a big BUT, it didn't do much at all for my pain. I had to quit that pain center altogether because I was, by the way, part of a study on it--that everyone who is trying it for pain management is in.

 

Because it has narc-an in it (the drug that snaps every opiate overdose victim back to life), it won't ever let you add anything else with it, such as a vicodin, morphine, etc. without sending you completely into withdraw. Do not try it if you need all of those pain meds you stated that you take per day. My feeling is that you need to be tapered down from everything you are on in the hospital, and then prescribed a few percocets o or vicodin a day once your body is clean so that they will work better for you again (like they did before you got on so many drugs.

 

Percocets or oxycodone is relatively good for pain. I can't think of anything better, including any of the morphine pills on the market. Avinza didn't work for my pain at all--and never has done anything for my after surgeries either. I have to have Demerol or Oxycontin's after major surgeries instead of morphine, or I continue to scream.

 

Going into a treatment center will be hard, but at the point you are at with so much pain killer in your body already, you really have no choice but tough it out with the help of a good doctor to get your body clean enough to lower your meds. Good luck. A note about me, I was in the original studies on Oxycontin and got up to 6 number 80;s a day while trying to teach school after being on disability after a major accident left me in bed with Lupus and many spinal deterioration problems.

 

I went into a 30 day treatment center, and I didn't sleep for 17 days or nights and lost 20 pounds in 12 days because I couldn't eat. When my legs became so heavy that I could not lift them, I began to eat, and when I walked or sat down, I was in so much pain that I barely talked for the first 20 days. I made up my mind, though, that I was not going to get any more pain relief by taking any higher doses of Oxycontin's, so what choice did I have but to detox off of everything.

 

I made it through the worst month of my life with beads of perspiration surfacing every 20 minutes and stinging like a thousand bees on my face for the first three weeks there. Now I would never take more than three or four percocets a day. I am on chronic pain management and four 7.5 pills are enough a day if I do not try to shop, do too much work or travel far  from my bed everyday.

 

I am disabled and that is why I know how hard it is to do the basic things we all have to do when we cannot afford a private nurse, driver and shopper for ourselves. I must get up to do the things that are limited to "self care." Lying down in bed is hard to do all of the time even if you can find a position that doesn't hurt too much. It is a constant pain you know isn't going to go away that is the worst of all nightmares--except for withdrawing off of a bunch of strong pain killers. I have no plans to take anything higher than what I am on now. Never again. I can't do that again. Good luck waiting for the miracle pain killer. I hate to tell you but your body is already too tolerant of the best of them now.

 

The suboxone will help satisfy cravings and help you to not have symptoms of withdraw, but they are not what you need in the long run. I would say that it would be to your advantage to try them while you are detoxing off all this other stuff that no longer works for you in a hospital setting. What choice do you have? Just be sure to never let yourself get hooked on so much stuff again--and stay as close to your bed as you can so that you don't need too much pain killer--in order to do things that you should not be doing. If nobody has asked you yet, allow me: What do you have to lose from trying it? and only to detox comfortably in a hospital setting?

 

Good luck.

CJ (A chronically ill patient who suffers from too much pain-- without much activity at all--and still need some very good but modestly taken pain killers).

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Shelly, Community Member
7/31/10 3:51pm

Hi! CJ,

I understand what you are saying about having a high tolerance to pain medications. I was taking (4) 40mg tablets of methadone, (4) 40mg. oxycotin, (6) loratabs daily. I had to get off of it so I went to another doctor 3 yrs. ago that switched me to (2) 60mg morphine, (4) norco, & (4) klonopin daily. It was great to come out of the fog I was in. Due to a hateful drug addicted daughter that is angry because I made her move out of my house recently. I do not know yet what she said but my doctor would not give me my normal prescriptions yesterday. I was given a prescription of suboxone, I am devastated & i don't know what to do. I am 44yrs. old with 2 more children ages 8 & 14. Plus I am a full time student, I chose to go back to college after I was on medication that didn't put me in a fog. I need help advice please anyone.

Shelly

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Elise, Community Member
5/12/11 8:43pm

SCS, I had to reply to your question. I had a back injury L5 S1 disc that was injured in a car accident, I also walked around with my bladder detached for months not knowing that the car accident I was in had done this to me from blunt force trauma to my abdomen. I was just recovering from a 10year Traumatic Brain Injury /Neck Injury/Fybromyalgia etc... I wasnt 100% but was not at the rate I was after this car accident. Anyways, after several trips to the ER for pain medications and several different pain medications I almost died from my adrenals shutting down. My body had experienced enough immense pain & pain medications. After going to 3 different states for help I finally found a doctor who put me on Suboxone. I really had my doubts because I kept hearing how this medication was for opioid dependence and I was afraid to try it thinking it wasnt going to help with my pain. I suffered with pain levels beyond a 10 daily 24/7. Soon after being on Suboxone I found my pain levels to be around 2-4. I will take it. I heard many stories about how this drug did not work for others but I can tell you it has worked for me. Yes, I still have chronic pain at levels of 2-4 but compared to what I was suffering with before I am very happy that I was able to be put on the Suboxone. What do you have to lose? Try it and if it doesnt help well atleast you tried. I know what you are experiencing for I was at a point where I didnt want to live anymore because the pain was immense. I have Fybromyalgia and the Suboxone seems to help me with that as well. I cant say I am pain free but compared to all the other pain medications I was on and I still had pain I will stay with the Suboxone because it is not damaging my body like the rest of the other pain medications I was on. Another plus is I dont have to contend with that feeling of being high all the time from the perc's, morphine, opana etc. that I was on. Suboxone is in a class of its own. I hope & pray that you try it and that it works for you. God Bless and good luck!! EliseLaughing

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