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Friday, May 28, 2010 Barbara Kay, Community Member, asks

Q: Why do my finger joints hurt when I have painful urination with a bladder infection?

I get a lot of bladder infections and have very painful, frequent, urgent urination. While I am urinating I have very severe pain in the joints of my hands. What can be the connection?

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Pat, Community Member
8/ 6/11 4:30pm

Oh my gosh!  I always thought I was the only person in the world with this!  I have never found an answer nor has any doctor ever been able to answer this for me, but I have the exact same thing happen.  I see it has been over a year since  you posted the question.  Have you learned anything new about this?

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Barbara Kay, Community Member
8/ 6/11 11:13pm

Wow! Maybe we are the only 2 people in the world! I've asked a family doctor and a pain specialist and they both acted like I was crazy. But it's REAL. Maybe if we keep asking and posting we'll find more people or find a doctor who has heard about it. Do you have arthritis in general or any other conditions? I do have osteoarthritis but it doesn't cause pain in my fingers. They ONLY hurt when I have a bladder infection and then only when urinating. My e-mail address is astrocats@gmail.com and my name is Barbara.

I suppose this is open to the public. If you contact me then we can at least keep your info confidential.

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Madkitty, Community Member
9/25/11 6:06pm

I am glad to find this thread. My mother has suffered with hand pain when she has a bladder infection for many years now.  The urologist has no answer except "referred pain".  However this time, her urine came back negative for bacteria, yet she is still having the severe hand pain during the end of urination.  She has a bladder interstim implant (Jan 2011) but had this pattern of hand pain long before that. Why isn't there an urologist SOMEWHERE who knows what causes this, and better yet, what to do about it.  This is so frustrating, and at her age, 86, is very discouraging.  Why would the hand pain only happen during the last part of urination, and never any other time?

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Pat, Community Member
9/25/11 6:19pm

Glad to know that Barbara and I are not the only ones!  But I am sorry to say that every doctor I have mentioned this to has looked at me like I was crazy... I was never even given an answer of "referred pain" as your mother was.  For me I had bladder infections over and over again and finally a urologist did a repair on me

1 1/2 years ago because I was not ever emptying my bladder all the way...now I do not get infections anymore.  The hand pain was always the first sign of an infection for me and so if I feel any pain in my hands at all when I use the bathroom, I drink lots and lots of water to flush it out before it can take hold. Good luck finding an answer, and if and when you do,  please repost... I'd really like to hear!Cool

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Madkitty, Community Member
9/25/11 6:38pm

What kind of repair did you have? My mom has a neurogenic bladder from spinal stenosis and spinal nerve compression, and also has a 750 cc. size bladder!  She was still holding 250 cc. after voiding as much as she could.  So she does harbor constant bladder infections, but don't know if she could withstand a major surgery at her age.  Anesthesia just makes her NUTS and we have to deal with major dementia problems for weeks with even just a small amount of it.  She has always known she was getting an infection because of the appearance of the hand pain, but even on Cipro this time, the pain continues for the past 10 days.  Will call in the a.m. to urologist and get A PLAN.  She did see small "black seeds" in the toilet after urination, and needs to be checked for kidney/bladder stones. Maybe that is causing the pain instead of an infection.  No one wants to really deal with the elderly, though.  How sad.

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Pat, Community Member
9/25/11 7:01pm

I gave birth to 2 large babies, one 8 lbs 11 oz and ther other 9 lbs 1 oz, both of which had larger chests than their heads so they were difficult.  The second child, instead of coming from the top of his head, had his head tilted back so he was coming face first, which is an even bigger circumfrence.  The doctor cut me very radically and while 2 nurses, one one either side of me, pushed down on the top, the doctor reached his finger up past the cervix to turn my son's head. This was done during contractions and was hugely painful.... I had no pain killers.  It took 5 tries but the doctor was successful.  The doctor who did my repair said I should have had a c-section...  So my urologist, (a woman) repaired me in 2 places with mesh slings.  This hold things back in place where they were before I had my kids so that now I fully empty my bladder when I urinate.  I have never heard of the "black seeds" your mom is seeing. I hope this helps to shed some light to the doctor why your mom is suffering with this problem.  Let me know...

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Madkitty, Community Member
9/25/11 7:32pm

My mom's problems are damaged nerve related, and there is nothing that will make the nerves to her bladder come back.  The implant (similar to a pacemaker only for the bladder) is supposed to stimulate the bladder nerves and provoke urination, but she still retains a great deal of urine after she goes to the bathroom. I am thinking the "seeds" could be kidney/bladder stones that could be formed due to the infection.  But with a negative urine culture, I know they are going to tell me she doesn't have an infection, but there IS a problem. How frustrating to deal with this over and over again.  She has been on low dose Macrobid for months now to try and prevent an infection, but obviously it isn't working now.  She has become resistant to the drugs, and is allergic to all the others that are left.  The hand pain is just weird, but present, none the less.

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Terry, Community Member
11/ 2/13 5:38pm

I have been dealing with this for years! So glad I found this thread! My pain is mainly in my thumbs. I also had preterm labor and delivery with all 3 of my children and I beleive that not emptying my bladder completely was the reason for this.

I can usually fight the UTIs with cranberry capsules if I catch it fast and be aggressive, (6 capsules with a full glass of water every hour) sometimes for 2 days until I get complete relief. Sometimes end up going to the doctor.

I'm very curious as to the surgery you had. It may be what I need.

Thanks, Terry

BTW Does anyone know if any doctors ever read this site?

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Terry, Community Member
11/ 2/13 5:40pm

That is exactly when my pain comes!

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Tammy, Community Member
9/ 1/13 9:25pm

This is my frist UTI in years and never ever had this pain in my hands. i runs up my wrist and thumb straight to the nails. There has to be a reason if many of us suffer with this. please any answers????

 

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Shale, Community Member
5/31/12 10:32am

I noticed most of the answers were from women,  I am a 78 year old male and I have experienced hand pain when urinating for nearly thirty years.  It occures mostly when I have waited too long or had a problem getting to a bathroom.

There seems to be not difinitive answer from the doctors I have seen. One was a uroligist and he couldn't even make a guess.

I have back problems and I see a doctor who is a back specialist and he suggested there may be a possibility my bladder could be putting pressure on my back and causing thereby pinching nerves that go to my hands.

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John, Community Member
8/ 7/12 11:31am

I am a 67 year old male and have the exact same issues as Shale, i.e., when I have waited a little too long.  I feel the pain, in the four knuckle joints on each hand and only in those joints.  So far the remainder of the hand and my thumbs are not affected by this phenomenon.  I too have asked my urologist, but he has never even ventured a guess. 

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Willow, Community Member
10/28/12 1:52am

I am 68 and had probably 3 bladder infections in my life until about 1 year ago. They began less frequent, now they are about once a month for about 6 mos. My bladder has dropped considerably. The pain in my hands are overwhelming when I void. None of my doctors can answer for me either. Going to a urologist again to see what they can do to repair my bladder. Yes they do tend to dismiss things the older you get, but I am determined..Glad to know I'm not the only one with the hand problem, however I hate to think of you all going through it too.. If I find out anything I will post. I also have lower back problems.   

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MsRozBuck, Community Member
10/16/13 3:00pm

My whole family thinks I'm crazy but I have the same problem. Anytime I get a UTI or I have to use the bathroom really bad I have severe joint pain in my hands. This didn't start until AFTER I had a c-section with my first child and it was worse after the second c-section. My mother in law has her BSN and told me there is no possible way the two could be linked.

So happy I'm not the only one.

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annie, Community Member
10/30/13 6:37pm

I wish I had an answer but don't. I am glad to know I'm not the only one with this crazy symptom. I've always had frequent UTIs, worse after nerve damage during a hysterectomy almost 20 years ago. I've gotten very good at self-treatment, but my current UTI is one of the worst I've had. This is the first time that I have experienced the finger pain; deep throbbing pain in only the fingers that comes suddenly as the burning/pressure/urge of urination peaks, then fades fairly quickly when urination stops. I thought I was nuts! There are nerves that lead to the bladder in the lower back............  I still don't get the connection though.

 

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Madkitty, Community Member
11/ 2/13 6:39pm

It has been over 2 yrs. since I initially posted about my mom, and sadly, she passed away this past March, from a med. she was given in a rehab center. 72 hrs. after the 3rd dose, it destroyed all her platelets, and she bled to death in 8 days.  She had UTI's up to the very day she died, and continued to have the severe pain that got worse.  It would start in both shoulders, and radiate down her arm to her hands and fingers.

I am a Physical Therapist, and I too, don't see how the two could be connected.  The nerves to the bladder are low lumbar and sacral, and the nerves to the upper extremities originate in the cervical and upper thoracic spine.  They just don't overlap.

With that said, I had a hysterectomy at age 29, and to this day, there is a place on the scar I can rub against, and I get a sharp pain in the top of one shoulder.  Go figure!  I also remember that after that surgery, and again after a gall bladder removal, the pain in both shoulders was almost as bad as the incision.  I am assuming it was air with the gall bladder, but don't see a connection with the hysterectomy.  I think I am just "hard wired" weird.

You can search the internet, and never find this addressed.  I am wondering if a good chinese acupuncturist could shed some light on this?  Maybe there is some connection using the "meridians" of that system?  Just a thought.

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Godall, Community Member
11/ 3/13 9:08pm

A male, I will turn 55 this year. I, too, experience pain in both hands while  voiding, particularly after having to hold back a urination. For me, however, the pain or ache is in my finger tips, seemingly radiating from my fingernails, and then radiates into my hands if I've had to hold for a while. I have had back pain issues in the past, but nothing permanent. Interesting to know others experience something similar; I've kept this issue to myself except for telling my wife, and I only recently inquired of friends who can't relate at all. But,, I've often wondered about the neurological connection and what other conditions might be related to it.

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Judy, Community Member
12/ 9/13 2:19pm

I guess we are never alone in this world with our troubles.  Somebody else, somewhere, usually has had whatever we are concerned about.  You stories are totally familiar to me.  I had UTI alot while young.  For me, "alot" meant every couple of months.  Fast forward some 20+ years, and I had a bladder suspension.  It was wonderful and I got to stop wearing pads!  I could sneeze or laugh without a urine incident. But, after about 15 years, I believe it fell back down.  I started having urine events right away.  Not nearly as bad as before, so maybe only part fell, but that memorable first event after the 15 years, was unlike any other.  My urine burst out like a broken dam.  After that, I started having bladder infections again.  Not really too often, but they were back in my life again!  And, this time I eperienced the finger pain.  It is short lived, so not a huge problem on it's own.  I is definately not like arthritic pain.  I always felt it was nerve pain.  I mentioned these things to my good doctor, but he didn't seem to relate.  I am so grateful for your stories.  You have allowed me to get a much better grasp of my situation.  I, too, have had previous back injuries.  I am going to request an appointment to see my doctor about this problem ONLY !   Not mention it as a kind of aside comment.  I plan to bring YOUR  messages with pertinent info highlighted.  I will have notes with me to keep me on topic.  If I get anywhere with this, I will report back.  Good Luck to you all and my your holidays be joyful. 

 

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chickybaby, Community Member
12/24/13 5:37am

I have had terrible pain in my hand joints with bladder infections, too, and only when urinating.  Glad to see I'm not the only one.  I have had it since I was a teenager,before I ever had babies.  I've never told a doctor because it sounded so crazy.  It would be nice to know why this happens.

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mcpax, Community Member
12/31/13 1:58am

I am so very glad to have found this site - like so many of you I thought I was the only one with this problem.  My pain is in my thumbs, sometimes only one but mostly in both and it's excrutiating.  I'm 64 yrs old and this started about 10 yrs ago and only when I feel a bladder infection coming on.  I have learned through trial and error that if I increase my water intake the symptoms go away within 24 hrs.  I always started laughing when I would think about telling my doctor because I was sure he would think it was time to have me commited (ha ha).  I still haven't told him.  The only out of the ordinary medical issue I've had in the past 15 yrs is breast cancer in 2000 - at that time I had chemo and radiation but that shouldn't have anything to do with this issue.  Iwill be following this thread closely as there must be an answer out there somewhere.

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Barbara Kay, Community Member
10/19/14 1:53pm

mcpax, I'm so happy you found this thread. While each one of us experience a different sort of pain it still comes back to pain in our fingers while urinating with a bladder infection. I've always heard that one letter written by an individual really represents 100 people with the same issue who just didn't bother to write. So thank you and and all the others who took the time. Maybe if each of us would print-out all these posts and show them to our doctors we could get some kind of answer. It's such a curious symptom, that's for sure! 

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