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Why have depression and suicidal thoughts?

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Hypno

Hypno

Sun, September 20, 2009

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I will just say to start out with that I have been living with depression since 1998 - although I must say that I have had bouts of depression all throughout my life. I've been told I am resistant to therapeutic treatment. As I don't like taking medication I don't tend to take any antidepressants. When the symptoms get so bad that suicidal thoughts are overwhelming I usually call my hypnotherapist  she talks with me "in the moment" "in the here and now" she allows me to talk things through. What has triggered it (if I know) where am I now, what am I doing, what is the significance of any objects,living creatures, plants around me, what is the significance of where I am sitting, what I am looking at. She tells me to look at all the life around me and says I can be a part of that again. My thoughts and feelings are only temporary. They may not be real, just imagined. She reminds me .... the feelings of suicide may not really be a wish to end my life.... only a wish for the negative devaluing feelings to stop ! She has the patience to help me get to the bottom of past events that have programmed my brain to respond in this way and through hypnosis literally change the programmed response by using guided imagery to heal the past. For example changing my perspective from being within myself and feeling intense fear or pain or anger and imagining myself outside of my body looking at myself - this lowers the intensity of the feeling and enables you to be more objective. As all these programmed responses happen before the age of 7yrs by going over the event as an adult we can now imagine intervening as if another person was present at the time and taking care of ourself as a child - either by protecting the child, or hugging the child and saying whatever needs to be said or done at that time to heal the past. What did I need to do differently at the time. From this you then move back in time to a time before the event and when you were feeling good, and then you fast forward right through the event (again looking at yourself within the situation - and not within yourself) to when you felt good after the event. You go through rewinding "the video" and fast forwarding it several times. You will find that you can begin to release yourself from self-limiting beliefs and you will feel calmer, less anxious, less fearful, less hurt, less guilty, less ashamed, less humiliated, less devalued. Word of warning though - sometimes your resistance to therapy means it takes a while for you to relax enough to get the benefits and you may temporarily feel worse - if this happens take some St John's Wort and stay out of direct sun (it makes your skin light sensitive) or take your anti-depressants as prescribed and get a supporter (like my hypnotherapist! who will just talk you through for 20 mins). So ...the question ... why have the depression? .... it is to shut down the feelings that are screaming to be dealt with as the more they are not dealt with the worse they become. By using the guided imagery and timeline therapy as described above you deal with the feelings one by one and you gradually become released and more able to sleep and gain more energy and by listening to what you really want to do rather than what you think you ought to do you become more motivated to achieve what will make you feel more positive and less depressed!!!!

9/20/09 9:26am

That is alot of info and let me add my experience to the

what is the significance of any objects,living creatures, plants around me, what is the significance of where I am sitting, what I am looking at...

For many years I battled with these types of questions and I was searching for the ever eluding source of happiness and fullfillment that everyone around me seemed to have.

Money, House, family, children, hobbies, books, job, etc.... all of these brought temporary relief but that source that I was looking for was not found.

 

Come to finds out, after many years of searching, that source that I was looking for was just a prayer away. When I asked God into my heart, not only did I find that peace and fullfillment i so longed for, but I found the significance of my life and those around me.  I am NOT talking about the religion you see on TV, the people that show up at your door with reading material...but the establishment of a relationship between you and God.

 

This single act changed my life...Not that I still do not struggle with life challenges and difficulities, but I am no longer alone in my struggles. WOW. talk about a change in perspectives.....

 

The PAST (what works for me)

Everyone on this board has had difficult events in their past. The way that we deal with those events makes us who we are today.. For me, I have learned that when I deal with these events and learn from them, they usually make me stronger and wiser..make sense? How can I learn from being out in child porn years ago (many years ago)? what good could come from this experience?

 

I learned from this that it was not my fault, that even though this happened to me, it does not make me a bad person. What good has come from this? The joy I feel when I can help others who have gone through similiar experiences. A joy that God can work though me (and you) to bless us and those around us.

 

Sorry so long....:)

 

 

 

9/20/09 7:12pm

Thanks for your comments in your response to my posting. I am glad that you have found resolution to your past experiences. I know that religious thoughts can be very uplifting for people who open their hearts and minds and choose to believe in God.

 

Not everyone chooses to believe in God, however they can  still (if they choose to)lead fulfilling lives and express warmth and love to others rather than hatred, anger or abuse. They can also feel that they are not alone as each of us has both our conscious mind and our subconscious which is creative and when we clear our conscious mind of thoughts and give it permission to receive wisdom from our subconscious - we can be happily suprised.

 

Kind Regards

 

Hypno

 

P.S. Please do let me know what aspects of my postings you find interesting and I will attempt to explain further.

9/20/09 10:17am

Hi Hypno

 

I would love it if you would write more on this topic...I think this is a type of therapy we seldom here about and it sounds very promising. 

 

I think you hit the nail on the head when you said that most people don't wish to end their life...they simply want the pain to go away.  It seems unbearable.  I am thinking that these techniques you describe could really help.

 

Please keep sharing...it is good to hear from someone who has found something which works for them.

9/20/09 12:51pm

That is a great post (response)...I believe that one of the frustrating things about depression for the one going through it as well as the counselors is that there is NO ONE fix. What works for me may not work for someone else. The trick is to find what works for you. I too woul dlike to learn more from your experience from this type of therapy.

 

 

9/20/09 6:54pm

Which aspect of what I wrote would you like to know more about? I'll certainly keep posting more info...but of course I don't know which aspects interest you the most unless you let me know.

 

However, as a taster....There are some underlying rules that govern how the brain works which when utilised creatively within therapeutic endeavour you can change your habitual emotional responses to events, people, actions, behaviours etc. That is why hypnotherapy and hypnoanalysis works.

 

The rules are:

 

Ideas or thoughts can result in physical changes within the body. If a thought triggers a negative emotion the subconscious brain "learns" it as if it were factually correct, even if it is imagined.

 

The brain does not distinguish in importance between real or imagined events. So if you have unresolved matters and you go to sleep you will dream and resolve the issues through your dreams even though your dreams are not real they release your emotional energy.

 

The brain delivers what we focus on...think negative and we'll find the negative in everything we experience. If we focus on negative outcomes that is what will be achieved. Think positively and we'll notice the positive instead. E.g. Glass half full or half empty.

 

In order to do something you have to imagine it first.

 

Fixed thought patterns can only be overturned through the subconscious - you can do this by imagining changes as the subconscious brain does not know the difference between imaginery and reality.

 

 

 

Conscious effort (willpower) alone when attempting to change your habitual responses will result in the opposite occuring. You need your subconscious to be in synergy with your conscious. That's why hypnotherapy works it works on the subconscious. You can imagine yourself changing behaviour and acting differently and this will then allow you to follow what you consciously want to do e.g. give up smoking...don't concentrate on giving up smoking as you are still thinking of yourself as a smoker...first imagine how non-smokers behave and imagine yourself as a non-smoker ...step into a non-smokers body in your imagination and become one. Then you'll reduce the resistance you have to give up as your conscious and subconscious will be in synergy.

 

Opposite ideas cannot be held in the mind at the same time - they cancel one another out. That is why sometimes therapists will use paradoxes. E.g. if you feel anger the paradox of anger is love so if you think of love your anger disappears. (Incidentally that I believe is often why religious thought helps people in distress as well as it usually includes some element of love and loving one another rather than fighting one another or life. Linked with the rule that the mind delivers what it focuses on and you can be much more positive when approaching life's struggles.Even if we do not believe in god we are never alone as we have our subconscious as well as our conscious to help us resolve our difficulties....try it...allow yourself to clear your mind of thoughts and be open to recieve the point of learning or wisdom....or imagine a cave with a very wise person and imagine asking the person a question for which you have been wanting an answer about what you should change in your life, or how you should behave... imagine the wise person deliberating for some time and then telling you the answer and giving you a box with a gift inside, open the box and accept the gift....thank the wise person and go on your way accompanied with the new wisdom and gift. )

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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