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Why Depressed Men Don't Talk

By John Folk-Williams Monday, November 16, 2009

We hear it so often, I think everyone takes it for granted. Women talk about feelings. Men don’t. Women are relational and talk things through with the people they trust. Men do their feeling in private behind a brick wall. Or they don’t do feeling. They explain. Here’s the cause, here’s the effect, here’s what you do - so what’s all the feeling about?

There’s no question that much of this is true, but only up to a point. There isn’t really so much difference in the way men and women feel. But many men have to pay a high cost to get to those feelings. And depressed men usually can’t afford to go there. They’re afraid it will take everything they’ve got.

During the many years I was depressed, I didn’t want to talk to my wife about what I felt - though she could pull the words out of me in my less guarded moments. I didn’t want to talk to anyone else either. Even in therapy, I held back a great deal.

I may not have been talking, but I was constantly trying to figure out what was happening to me. I came up with a lot of answers, and for a long time depression wasn’t one of them. That may sound strange since I already knew that I became depressed quite often. But I thought that only meant feeling low, not wanting to do much, and slowing down to a crawl.

Everything else - finding it impossible to get work done, getting paralyzed with anxiety, feeling intense anger, despairing about myself - all that was simply me. I didn’t like who I was. I felt stupid and worthless, however well I could conceal that from anyone else. I felt like an empty glass. Everyone would be able to see there was nothing inside unless I carefully covered it over.

Hiding things all the time and presenting a calm face to everyone is no easy thing to do. Talking about feelings and that inner self would risk exposure. I might lose the control I had over what people could see of me. This wasn’t a conscious thought - it was instinctive.

And there was another problem. I might be empty of value and talent, but there was plenty of feeling roiling around inside. Powerful feelings of all sorts, intense love, fierce hate, grief and hurt, horrible despair, an urge to lash out in violence - but it never got into my voice or face. No spontaneous emotion allowed. Those surges of feeling felt like unpredictable violence - like a monster waiting to escape. Again, the instinct held it in check.

When depression with all its symptoms got worse and worse, I felt incapable of doing anything. Talking was still the last thing I could do because I didn’t know what was happening. I’d be irritable all the time at home, flying into a rage that I realized was taking me over. I couldn’t stop it.

When my wife asked me what was wrong and suggested talking about it, I simply got angry. There’s nothing wrong with me! I started to blame her. I pushed the shame I felt in her direction. She was doing everything wrong - she was the problem. It wasn’t me, it was all her fault!

11/16/09 12:41pm

John, thank you so much for sharing that story.  I think a lot of people will find it enlightening, both men who are depressed and their spouses.  I could just FEEL the relief in your saying "I'm afraid."  When you can share that fear with someone else, it helps so much.  None of us are invincible or impervious to fear and I think we forget about that sometimes.  A lot of negative things that people do are defenses against fear.  Especially anger.  Anger is way more powerful than fear.

 

Thanks again for writing this!

11/16/09 6:44pm

Judy -

 

I agree that fear is often covered over by anger, and anger keeps you tense and stressed all the time. So there's a physical relaxation in dropping that defense and getting down to the simple reality of the feeling of fear. There's a lot more to say about this, so I'll be doing other posts as well.

 

I'm glad you found it helpful.

 

John

11/16/09 12:53pm

Yes, I have found this out in my 2 relationship and even with my 5 brothers. I think everyone feels it just no masculine if a man shares his thoughts or feelings or emotions.  That is not how everyone feels though, I don't.  Right now my husband keeps asking me if everything is ok.  I have broken down a couple of times but everytime he asked just because I don't want to keep crying I say i am ok.  I just don't get it I get upset because I don't have any family or friends to go out with. And I usually just sit at home after work and watch tv or I am taking care of my mother.

WHAT A BORING LIFE?  My husband doesn't like to go out and doesn't go out with his family or friends but that is fine by him.  We have only been married a year but have known each other 3 years. I just feel like I want to die and nobody would care. I am not even 50 yet.

 

I have asked my husband how he is feeling and how was work.  All I get is about work and what they did but he seems like he is doing fine and jokes around.

 

I want to meet some friends but I guess I should look into volunteer work close to me.

We have done some renovations to the house so a mortgage and a home equity loan, don't have money to go out and party.

 

Sorry I know I am rambling. 

11/16/09 7:00pm

Hello, macymom -

 

I'm sorry you're feeling this way. It may be a good idea to find volunteer work, but if I were you I'd try first to talk to your husband. He sounds like a good man who is genuinely concerned about you - so I'm not clear why you stifle your own feelings when he asks. He probably wouldn't do that unless he sensed something. I know when I was depressed, I'd feel I just didn't count and that nobody would want to be bothered hearing about my problems. But this is your husband, and he can handle whatever you're going through.

 

I hope that's not out of line - but I also hope you can do more for yourself by letting him know exactly what you're feeling.

 

John

11/16/09 7:30pm

MaceyMom, I just went through this exact thing - if your husband is asking how you are feeling, TELL HIM because he wants to know!  My husband and I just had this discussion today because I've always feared making him mad or upset or frustrated with me because I get so sick of dealing with it, I assume he does, too.  No.  Today, he told me he feels left out if I won't tell him about it when he can see that I'm depressed, so I'm going to make a conscious effort to be more forthcoming about it, not just so he won't feel left out but also, so that I won't feel so alone.  He doesn't need the socialization as much as I do, either, so I understand that - but it sounds like he really does care about you, so I hope you'll let him help you!

11/17/09 7:26am

Thanks Judy and John,

I just don't talk to my husband because it's an everyday occurance that I feel depressed and just wanna crawl in a hole.  I feel like I am dragging him down in my depression too. We have only been married a year but I feel that I will be dragging him down with me.

11/16/09 2:14pm

Hey John!

 

I think there are so many female members of My Depression Connection who will be reading this post with intense interest.  We get so many questions about how to reach a spouse who seemingly won't open up.  May I ask...what was it which allowed you to finally say out loud that you were afraid?  That is a huge thing for anyone...male or female. 

 

And do you think with men who are depressed that the anger and rage are more close to the surface than the sadness and vulnerability? 

 

What is your best advice for women who want to know..."What do I do to help him to open up and talk?"  Is it best for the woman to leave her husband or boyfriend alone for awhile...or keep pushing to talk...or tell them they have to get help or else...?  What is most effective? And I realize it is going to be different for everyone but this could be very helpful to gain a male perspective on this.

 

Thank you so much for posting this!  I am sure I will be referring to it with the member questions and comments we receive here on this topic.

 

 

11/16/09 7:08pm

Thank you - I'm glad you think this will be helpful. You're exactly right that anger is a lot closer to the surface than any vulnerability and is often the first feeling to come through.

 

You pose some big questions what men feel and how women might try to help them open up. There is so much to say that I'll have to do a couple of posts to get at my answers.

 

Thanks for all your encouragement.

 

John

Anonymous
Cathy
11/19/09 12:52pm

Thank you for sharing your feelings, with us

11/20/09 10:55pm

Hi, Cathy -

 

Thank you - I hope you'll come by often. And let me know if you have any questions.

 

John

Anonymous
dumbblond
1/24/11 8:36pm

When I googled "men who don't talk" I came across your article.  Yes, my husband has confessed to depression, but that's as far as he will go.  I've tried to get him to open up more with how he is feeling, but I always get thrust back, like I've tread in an area of his life that he is NOT going to disclose.  This has been SO HURTFUL to me.  He calls me his "best friend", but his definition of best friend and mine must be different.   I have cried so much lately.  In short, what do I need to do?  Right now, I know he feels guilty for "hurting me", but I ask myself, "Why exactly am I so hurt?"  Is something wrong with me, that I maybe NEED my husband to open up with me?  Should I just leave him alone and let him work out his own feelings?  He told me last night that I just don't understand him.  How can I?  He gives me so little to go by.  If trying to get him to open up causes us to fight about it, then I am thinking that it just isn't worth it to try anymore.

Anonymous
dumbblond
1/24/11 8:36pm

When I googled "men who don't talk" I came across your article.  Yes, my husband has confessed to depression, but that's as far as he will go.  I've tried to get him to open up more with how he is feeling, but I always get thrust back, like I've tread in an area of his life that he is NOT going to disclose.  This has been SO HURTFUL to me.  He calls me his "best friend", but his definition of best friend and mine must be different.   I have cried so much lately.  In short, what do I need to do?  Right now, I know he feels guilty for "hurting me", but I ask myself, "Why exactly am I so hurt?"  Is something wrong with me, that I maybe NEED my husband to open up with me?  Should I just leave him alone and let him work out his own feelings?  He told me last night that I just don't understand him.  How can I?  He gives me so little to go by.  If trying to get him to open up causes us to fight about it, then I am thinking that it just isn't worth it to try anymore.

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By John Folk-Williams— Last Modified: 01/09/12, First Published: 11/16/09