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Why Depressed Men Don't Talk

By John Folk-Williams Monday, November 16, 2009


She reached a limit and demanded I get help. I did, but something happened that was much more important than therapy or medication.

I started to talk.

I was so exhausted by the constant stress of holding everything back, second guessing what I did say, talking guardedly about what I was feeling rather than just saying what I was going through at that moment. I was too confused and too scared at what was happening to me to keep fighting off my wife.

We were alone after the kids had gone to bed, and she was trying to draw me out yet once more. And then I said just two words, the truest words I has spoken to her in a long time.

I’m afraid.

It was such a relief to get that simple statement out. I felt relaxed and so did she. And I could go on from there. There were so many things I was afraid could happen. The enormous and terrible things I was trying to hide suddenly seem smaller, less powerful. She felt the genuineness of me once more. I was really there, talking through the fears that had been consuming me

This was only the first step, and the turnaround didn’t last very long. Habits of a lifetime don’t disappear, and I’m still struggling to drop the defenses every single day.

11/16/09 12:41pm

John, thank you so much for sharing that story.  I think a lot of people will find it enlightening, both men who are depressed and their spouses.  I could just FEEL the relief in your saying "I'm afraid."  When you can share that fear with someone else, it helps so much.  None of us are invincible or impervious to fear and I think we forget about that sometimes.  A lot of negative things that people do are defenses against fear.  Especially anger.  Anger is way more powerful than fear.

 

Thanks again for writing this!

11/16/09 6:44pm

Judy -

 

I agree that fear is often covered over by anger, and anger keeps you tense and stressed all the time. So there's a physical relaxation in dropping that defense and getting down to the simple reality of the feeling of fear. There's a lot more to say about this, so I'll be doing other posts as well.

 

I'm glad you found it helpful.

 

John

11/16/09 12:53pm

Yes, I have found this out in my 2 relationship and even with my 5 brothers. I think everyone feels it just no masculine if a man shares his thoughts or feelings or emotions.  That is not how everyone feels though, I don't.  Right now my husband keeps asking me if everything is ok.  I have broken down a couple of times but everytime he asked just because I don't want to keep crying I say i am ok.  I just don't get it I get upset because I don't have any family or friends to go out with. And I usually just sit at home after work and watch tv or I am taking care of my mother.

WHAT A BORING LIFE?  My husband doesn't like to go out and doesn't go out with his family or friends but that is fine by him.  We have only been married a year but have known each other 3 years. I just feel like I want to die and nobody would care. I am not even 50 yet.

 

I have asked my husband how he is feeling and how was work.  All I get is about work and what they did but he seems like he is doing fine and jokes around.

 

I want to meet some friends but I guess I should look into volunteer work close to me.

We have done some renovations to the house so a mortgage and a home equity loan, don't have money to go out and party.

 

Sorry I know I am rambling. 

11/16/09 7:00pm

Hello, macymom -

 

I'm sorry you're feeling this way. It may be a good idea to find volunteer work, but if I were you I'd try first to talk to your husband. He sounds like a good man who is genuinely concerned about you - so I'm not clear why you stifle your own feelings when he asks. He probably wouldn't do that unless he sensed something. I know when I was depressed, I'd feel I just didn't count and that nobody would want to be bothered hearing about my problems. But this is your husband, and he can handle whatever you're going through.

 

I hope that's not out of line - but I also hope you can do more for yourself by letting him know exactly what you're feeling.

 

John

11/16/09 7:30pm

MaceyMom, I just went through this exact thing - if your husband is asking how you are feeling, TELL HIM because he wants to know!  My husband and I just had this discussion today because I've always feared making him mad or upset or frustrated with me because I get so sick of dealing with it, I assume he does, too.  No.  Today, he told me he feels left out if I won't tell him about it when he can see that I'm depressed, so I'm going to make a conscious effort to be more forthcoming about it, not just so he won't feel left out but also, so that I won't feel so alone.  He doesn't need the socialization as much as I do, either, so I understand that - but it sounds like he really does care about you, so I hope you'll let him help you!

11/17/09 7:26am

Thanks Judy and John,

I just don't talk to my husband because it's an everyday occurance that I feel depressed and just wanna crawl in a hole.  I feel like I am dragging him down in my depression too. We have only been married a year but I feel that I will be dragging him down with me.

11/16/09 2:14pm

Hey John!

 

I think there are so many female members of My Depression Connection who will be reading this post with intense interest.  We get so many questions about how to reach a spouse who seemingly won't open up.  May I ask...what was it which allowed you to finally say out loud that you were afraid?  That is a huge thing for anyone...male or female. 

 

And do you think with men who are depressed that the anger and rage are more close to the surface than the sadness and vulnerability? 

 

What is your best advice for women who want to know..."What do I do to help him to open up and talk?"  Is it best for the woman to leave her husband or boyfriend alone for awhile...or keep pushing to talk...or tell them they have to get help or else...?  What is most effective? And I realize it is going to be different for everyone but this could be very helpful to gain a male perspective on this.

 

Thank you so much for posting this!  I am sure I will be referring to it with the member questions and comments we receive here on this topic.

 

 

11/16/09 7:08pm

Thank you - I'm glad you think this will be helpful. You're exactly right that anger is a lot closer to the surface than any vulnerability and is often the first feeling to come through.

 

You pose some big questions what men feel and how women might try to help them open up. There is so much to say that I'll have to do a couple of posts to get at my answers.

 

Thanks for all your encouragement.

 

John

Anonymous
Cathy
11/19/09 12:52pm

Thank you for sharing your feelings, with us

11/20/09 10:55pm

Hi, Cathy -

 

Thank you - I hope you'll come by often. And let me know if you have any questions.

 

John

Anonymous
dumbblond
1/24/11 8:36pm

When I googled "men who don't talk" I came across your article.  Yes, my husband has confessed to depression, but that's as far as he will go.  I've tried to get him to open up more with how he is feeling, but I always get thrust back, like I've tread in an area of his life that he is NOT going to disclose.  This has been SO HURTFUL to me.  He calls me his "best friend", but his definition of best friend and mine must be different.   I have cried so much lately.  In short, what do I need to do?  Right now, I know he feels guilty for "hurting me", but I ask myself, "Why exactly am I so hurt?"  Is something wrong with me, that I maybe NEED my husband to open up with me?  Should I just leave him alone and let him work out his own feelings?  He told me last night that I just don't understand him.  How can I?  He gives me so little to go by.  If trying to get him to open up causes us to fight about it, then I am thinking that it just isn't worth it to try anymore.

Anonymous
dumbblond
1/24/11 8:36pm

When I googled "men who don't talk" I came across your article.  Yes, my husband has confessed to depression, but that's as far as he will go.  I've tried to get him to open up more with how he is feeling, but I always get thrust back, like I've tread in an area of his life that he is NOT going to disclose.  This has been SO HURTFUL to me.  He calls me his "best friend", but his definition of best friend and mine must be different.   I have cried so much lately.  In short, what do I need to do?  Right now, I know he feels guilty for "hurting me", but I ask myself, "Why exactly am I so hurt?"  Is something wrong with me, that I maybe NEED my husband to open up with me?  Should I just leave him alone and let him work out his own feelings?  He told me last night that I just don't understand him.  How can I?  He gives me so little to go by.  If trying to get him to open up causes us to fight about it, then I am thinking that it just isn't worth it to try anymore.

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By John Folk-Williams— Last Modified: 01/09/12, First Published: 11/16/09