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Depression Debate: Is Depression a Choice?

By Merely Me Thursday, May 20, 2010

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What if someone told you that "depression is a choice."  Perhaps your response might be to say, "Ohhhhh reeaaaaaallly?"  (As a side note:  The ORLY owl is but one of many Internet icons to depict astonishment with a twinge of eyebrow raising indignation.)  I imagine this would be my response and I would be curious as to how the originator of such a statement would defend such a statement.

 

In fact, in 2001, a psychotherapist and writer named A.B. Curtiss did just that in her book entitled, "Depression is a Choice."  As a former depression sufferer herself, Curtiss tells us that there is a secret to depression:  "The secret to depression is very much like the secret of learning to read.  And isn't it simple and easy when we know how?" 

 

You may insert the ORLY owl here.

 

The secret this author employs is a self created program of "directed thinking" which is supposed to be able to override chemical imbalances and even the mania of Bipolar Depression.

 

Here is another interesting opinion from this book:

 

"Our great-grandparents used willpower instead of Prozac and Zoloft. They valued conscience, responsibility, honest, commitment, dedication, sacrifice, hard work, and courage. And they practiced learning to bear suffering. These concepts were universally taught to children, who naturally employed them as adults. These concepts had been tested and revered for thousands of years. People trusted their lives to them. In the 1960s, we threw them all out."

 

Needless to say the reviews of this book were mixed. 

 

But this isn't a novel idea.  The whole positivity movement has spurned people to believe that thinking positive thoughts can cure anything from depression to cancer. 

 

In association with this cure philosophy is blame for our physical and mental disorders because we just aren't positive enough.  Some new age authors such as Louise Hay, best known for "You Can Heal Your Life" (1984), tells us that we choose our parents before birth and that:  "We create every so-called "illness" in our body." and "Releasing resentment will dissolve even cancer."

 

Do I hear an "ORLY?" from the crowd?

 

I could give my biased thoughts on all this but I am going to let you guys fill in blanks. 

 

Do you think depression is a choice?  Can we cure depression through the power of positive thoughts?  Are we to blame for our depression and/or other illnesses?

 

Tell it like it is!  We want to hear all sides to this debate.

 

PS.  I may keep the ORLY owl for future "Oh Really?" debates.  Tell me if you would like this as a regular feature to discuss controversy related to depression and depression treatment.

 

Depression Debate: Can Watching Certain Movies Cause Depression?
5/20/10 8:58pm

Hi, Merely Me.  Well, here's my opinion.  I don't think we choose to feel like crap and we certainly can't create chemical imbalances in our brains all on our own.  And I really, really don't believe we can blame people for being depressed.  What we can choose is how we're going to manage it, how we're going to change what we do and how we live to keep it from coming back.  That isn't always successful, either.  There are probably things that we do, choices that we make that can predispose us to depression, along with our genetics, but I think that our part in it usually has a good reason.  We adopt beliefs about ourselves as children to make sense out of chaos, or we learn that if we stay under the radar, maybe we won't get screamed at as often.  So, there's no blame in that, either, but those are survival techniques and there aren't too many options when you're a kid.  We also don't choose things like the death of someone close to us that makes us grieve.

 

There is hardly anything that turns me off more than to be told to "think positively."  Don't you think I would if I could?  I can tell myself anything, but if it doesn't ring true or bring me relief, what's the point?

 

In a nutshell, I believe our choices are about how we handle depression when it appears.  If we do nothing about it, it damages us and those we love and is more likely to return.  If we ask for help, we start to reconnect with other human beings, which is what we need to heal.  I think it's a waste of time to try to convince people that they are choosing to be depressed.  That's actually a dangerous thing to say to somebody who is in the pits, it could be enough to trigger a suicide attempt.

 

Yes, I would like to see more questions like this.  It gets us thinking and we get exposed to other people's points of view.  Yeah, my first thought when I read this was, "Oh, p-l-e-a-s-e!"

5/21/10 4:11pm

You are saying the truth sistah!

 

Okay just according to me.  Other people may have other opinions and I am open to hearing them. 

 

I...tend to put my hands over my ears and say "lalalalalala" when I hear someone saying that people who suffer from depression choose to suffer.  Come on...let's get real.

 

Yes we are responsible for what we do with what we have to deal with...this is true.  But we did not cause our depression.  It is not like we said, "Oh yeah...I think I will feel horrible today."  I am sure most of us would not wish this hell on anyone even our worst enemies.  It is my belief that most people do want to be well.  it just adds all the more guilt and bad feelings to someone who is struggling to be told that...they just want to be depressed.

 

Not helpful.

 

Thanks Judy for your comments...I am sure they reflect what many people with depression feel.

5/22/10 6:13am

a choice? oh shall i take to my bed as many women did in the past, or have some doctor give me a nervine and put me on bed rest for years? depression is a disease, and something inside of me says that if we had the tecnology back in the 1800's thru now they would have used it, life expectancy was less, people surrounded their family members usuallt the women, women were seen as ill men taken as weak

unless one was a slace like many of my great great relatives were taken from jamacia and brough here, children separtaed from parents, hmmmmmm i can see orly owl, didnt my anscestors have depression, i am sure they did and that set up the sterotype that women of colour are strong, we dont get depressed, it doesnt exist for us, how stupid, but i bet this writer of her book believes it. i wont waste my time or money. your right on merely me!!!!! oops i chose ms as well and diabetes too and i created my own reality i hate that saying too. it is how one lives with each disease we can live good lives with this disease we just have to manage it, the writer of the book is a psychotherapist? that gives me the shivers and i can see orly raising the wings and being to wise to read anything like her book. starshine

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5/22/10 9:06am

You say it like it is Starshine!

 

There are so many stereotypes out there about depression and people who suffer from it.  And when you look at them face on...they just don't make sense. 

 

Thanks so much for sharing your heartfelt opinion on this.  I still need to read more of the comments...we shall see if anyone actually does agree with this sort of philosophy.

5/20/10 9:53pm

If you continued along this line of reasoning, then you would be responsible for your MS and I would be responsible for having chicken pox as a child.  Totally ridiculous.  Why would I bring depression upon myself, the most horrible thing that has ever happened to me, and keep it going for years and even attempt suicide to try to stop it?  The only thing I can say about othese authors is that they will find out the truth for themselves at some point.

 

O RLY -- yes, a good way to introduce similar topics/questions.

5/21/10 4:17pm

Thanks Pumpkin

 

I do agree.  Yeah...this line of reasoning just doesn't sit well with me.  What does one do with it?  it just adds uneccesary guilt.  And it isn't accurate.

 

I am sure there are many out there who actually do blame people for all sorts of illnesses.  There are much more positive...yes I will use that word...ways of helping people to cope with the mental and physical disorders they have.

 

Thanks so much for your thoughts and opinions.  We are glad you are here!

5/20/10 10:38pm

Hi Merely Me,

 

This person really has an inflated view about herself, and has detacted herself from the true causes of depression.  If it was my "choice" I would not chosen to feel worthless.  I would not chosen to let almost 20 years of my life slip by.  I not have chosen to live in solitude, crying myself to sleep and desiring for the Lord to carry me away.  However, depression decided to reside within me.  I did not welcome it--but it has decided to stay. 

 

However, I feel that there is one choice we as depression suffers can make.  WE CAN CHOOSE TO FIGHT!  And right now I a fightin' mad over this dismal belief that depression suffers choose to have depression.  It is comments like that that force many of us not to seek treatment.  It is those comments that really make one feel awful on top of the depression.  Is there anything we can do to overturn this published falsehood?  If so let me know. 

 

Sincerely,

 

Mr. Q

5/21/10 4:20pm

You are doing it right here Mr. Q...you are voicing your opinion.  And it counts!

 

I agree.  We who suffer from depression did not choose this.  Many of us lament...if only it were not for my depression I would...and we have this big list.  It is an on-going battle for many of us and we are sick of it. 

 

I think you are so right...the choice is...what do we do with coping with our depression...right.  But we didn't cause this. 

 

You speak for many people I am sure.  Thank you for voicing your opinion.

Anonymous
cloudyskies
5/22/10 12:55pm

Michel,

 

I appreciate you voicing your opinion.  I agree with some of your logic, but I think your conclusion is pretty far off the mark. 

 

You said: "many cancer patients ''will'' fight to the very end its in there core to do so even if they know that for many of them the battle is lost no matter what."

 

ALL Cancer patients would prefer NOT to have cancer.  Many DO FIGHT to the very end.  The key words in your statement are "will to fight," "end" and "lost no matter what." (Hint: substitute "mental illness" for "cancer")

 

With many illnesses, as with war in general, there is no such thing as a "zero casualty" battle.  Depression is not my choice.  I hate depression more than you can ever know.  It robs me of enjoyment, and I know life is too short to be miserable. In no way, shape or form, is it my choice to struggle with depression. 

 

As for it being a series of "bad choices," that doesn't explain it either.  I have achieved all my goals early.  I was married, earned an advanced education (a law degree from a top university), had two amazing kids, enjoyed a challenging and secure career and owned a nice house before I turned 30.  I have great relationships with both "sides" of my family (in-laws).  My spouse is very loyal and hard-working, values family and a healthy lifestyle, has always been a consistent provider and helps out a LOT with the chores and the kids.  By my 30th birthday, I had everything I had planned for, and one thing I had not.  Depression was not my choice, it was never in the plans. And believe me, I fight it.  I fight it hardest for my children.  I fight it damn hard.  It is in no way a "consequence" of bad choices. 

 

Depression is no more of a choice than cancer.  There is no way for a doctor to carve out depression from my body.  I have learned how to manage it well, and I can put it in "remission" for months at a time (with the help of 3 doctors and my family).  But guess what.  It comes back to haunt me when I least expect it.

 

As others have said, I WISH IT WERE MY CHOICE to have depression (or other mental illness(s)), because then I could have chosen never to get it in the first place.  Or at least choose to purge it from my life and never to have to deal with it again. 

 

To say it is a choice is to place the blame, and not only does it not help, but it actually further isolates the person with depression.

 

For me, the loneliness is probably the worst part of depression, as well as the lack of energy.  Actually, come to think about it, the difficulty focusing is pretty frustrating (especially when I rely solely on my mind to make a living).  And of course there's the guilt associated with hurting or burdening those you love.  Or maybe it's the loss of trust in others and diminishing confidence in myself that is hardest to overcome.    

 

What "benefit" of depression would entice someone to choose to be depressed?  As a friend of mine so eloquently put, "you are happier when you're happy."  True.  Which is why I want to be happy. 

 

Many people are suffering from a mental illness that can turn their world upside down and may never go away.  We fight it.  We win some, we lose some.  The least you can do is acknowledge it for what it is.

5/22/10 5:53pm

Hey Cloudy

It seem's that I have push some buttons with my oppinion here, gald I did.

I am not saying that depression is a choice that one makes I dont know were you read that in my reply here...unless I'm blind.

Can it be self induce again I say yes not by choice of course but by ignorance in my case. So you had the all american dream by the age of 30 and I salute you for the hard work you had to put in to gain it, obviously you never live a day in the streets...

And as far as payback goes its a given for some depression becomes a way of living for many psychosocial reason's they dont have the tool's needed to believe they can ''fight'' it, there affraid of change so they prefer to stay stagnant in suffering as oppose as accepting help I've seen this.

I dont have any law degrees form any prestigious university in fact I dont have a single one I'm a autodidacte and what I have learn came at a price thatI wish nobody can afford, but I have learn well in my travels of that you can be shure of.

so I will ask this is it possible that some depression sufferer's find a payback in it

Care to answer.

 

the next question in mind does will power come in the picture here ?

 

To say it is a choice is to place the blame, and not only does it not help, but it actually further isolates the person with depression.

As I said (refering to me) it wasnt a conscient choice but neverthe less a choice, and if I had not taken the full responsability of it I would not be were I am now, first I had to admit it to take notice of the burdens that had become a part of me (a part I say again) then came acceptance if I were to heal I had to accept the fact that I was plague with depression.

Then came the time to intervene (with the help of a private clinic and in a multidimmensional team as you with many doctor's, psychologist, psychiatrist, psychotherapist, nurse's, social worker, support group, accupuncture, massage etc...)

So you can kill the caps, I am very but very proud of whom I have become  after a very long and bumpy road.

 

By the way, excuse my English as I am a French Canadien and English is only my second language out of four.

 

Best Regards

-Michel-

9/ 8/12 7:49pm

No one knows whaat depression is until they have been here.

5/20/10 11:23pm

Let's see if I can make a few friends here lol

 

I either dont think that we can choose to be in depression, not in conscience way but...depression I think can be self induce (I ear some Orly's here) and as far as chemical imbalance in our brain Hey,,,I did that to myself for shure (sorry Judy) but thats what addiction is.

 

A child cant choose to have depression he might be predispose to it by genetics factors or depression can be the result of what happened in that child life so in my book all children are innocent and cant be held responsable for depression.

 

Adults are a different story, do I believe in self induce depression to this I answer by the affirmative (Orly) as Mr'Q said we can choose to fight it well, the contrary is possible to, one can decide not to fight it (action or reaction) so I will ask this is it possible that some depression sufferer's find a payback in it, again I will answer this by the affirmative why ?

 

Its easier not to fight so this brings the next question in mind does will power come in the picture here (Orly) nobody cant deny that it takes will to fight back many many cancer patients ''will'' fight to the very end its in there core to do so even if they know that for many of them the batlle is lost no matter what.

 

I'm not the type of person who see's all in black in white in fact I believe in many shades of grey, depression is not a choice that one makes but at times its the result of choices that we made (poor choices).

 

My two cents

I would like it very much to continue on such debates it shakes up our ''grey'' matter : )

 

-Michel-

Anonymous
Rosemarie
5/21/10 5:55am

Hi all, I thought [for a change] before Typing.

Firstly, she's only a psycotherapist, Shes made a few bucks from her controversial book - unfortunately, the awful Me generation she alludes to, are the people who put butter on her table, by going to her [God help them] for help with their inner Angst, past, pain, issues , and even Depression !].  She also jumps on the Louise hay Bandwagon by adding GUILT to an already painful

condition Depression.

The Past is always Rosy. She falls into that silly Trap. Yes, people had Morals and principles and werent as materialistic, but

1. Family Support systems were far stronger.  2. Religion and respect for each other and Civics, Humanism were stronger.  

3. Peoples hopes/aspirations werent as high since Education, holidays etc were for the Rich, and Media wasnt there to instruct alot of people as to why they were caught in a poverty trap so people mullied along in lives of work work work.

4. Woman and Men aged quickly and died. many caught virus s, and other ailments that are more likely caught when  youre run down from over-work, no vacations.      I think its a little pathethic to romantisise those days.

There was plenty of Suicide, men and women, plent of incest, abuse, the suicides were all covered up. Cerainly in this Country and Im sure in most.

People who could no longer cope with their dreadful Anxiety were thrown into Mental hospitals [Depressed too] husbands could sign them away conveniently and they lived lives of utter Hell in these dreadful Barbaric places, Death was a release, and many threw themselves from high windows. Many were abused.

   There was ALWAYS Depression, also Bipolar, [the great Artists] not all with the disease were priviledged and had great talent though, so they were hidden and covered up by their family either at home, never going out, or in Asylums.

Depression has always, and will always exist.

There are different levels/Depths of depressions.Yell I can only conclude that if our Authror on Thinking positive [which by the way has been scientifically proven to do the opposite, so shes a twad out of date !] 

KissOur great Thinker has joined the ranks of the Self Help ME generation Book Shelf. Pity she didnt do a little bit more research  - For instance, the levels of Cortisol are extremely high in Depressed individuals, plus the inner lining of the Brain is thinner etc etc.    Life is Tough, Some people dont want to feel any pain at all, at the first inkling of the Blues, they go to Doc for prozac. They leave relationships when the sexual buzz has gone out, they look for pleasure and are hedonist and cant take pain in any shape or form.  To imply that all Depressed people are that personality type is insulting in the extreme.

FrownA Trip to a Depression ward would let her see that there's no Pay back for these people, such is the intensity of isolation, desolation, Greyness, self hate,inability to make decisions, to read, to socialise, distorted thinking, alotof anxiety, stomach churning constantly, lack of sleep, broken relationships, who in theier right mind would Write away for this ? 

KissFinally, I would like to meet her with Oprah and face her down with some Medical facts -   FACT people who suffer Depression have a 1 in 3  more chance of getting a Heart Attack, Cancers etc as the Immune System is lowered from the battering the Body takes from continous bouts of dreadful Depression.

Depression is not the blues, its not Grief, Grief is a totally different feeling.

LaughingFinally may I suggest her Book carry a Govertment Health warning as it could cause somebody already very low [as pointed out by judys post] to commit Suicide. We feel isolated enough, suffer enough pain and STIGMA without Ms. Know it All, New Age Psyco-Babble telling us we can change out thinking.

CBT has been found alongside Neurolinguistic programming to be pretty uselss in serious Clinical Depression...     now ive vented my Spleen.

ps   I think I will write a book and make some money - 'Snap out of it'    lol

5/21/10 9:51am

I stand corrected, Michel, except....what makes people end up addicted to drugs or alcohol in the first place?  Brain chemistry?  Many people discover that drugs and alcohol help them escape depression (temporarily), often that's how they get started.

5/21/10 10:52am

I agree Judy but that is still a choice isn it

 

Have a Nice Day

 

p.s. dont you love a good debate

 

-Michel-

5/21/10 11:13am

Yes, I do!  Okay, though, what I'm saying is that maybe the brain chemistry is faulty and that's WHY people become addicted or depressed so that they turn to a drug or alcohol to feel better.

5/22/10 9:22am

Hey Michel

 

I was wondering when someone might take up the other side of this debate.  I think you have done a good job by separating out different components of  your belief...such as how you feel about your own addiction.... that children with depression are innocent and choosing to help oneself as an adult with depression is a responsibility one should take seriously.

 

One point I may agree with is that sufferers of depression may sometimes sabotage their own happiness.  I wrote a post on this called, "Why You May Be Sabotaging your Happiness."  It is possible to get into a rut and get trapped by old patterns of behavior which increase the chances for depression. 

 

But as for original cause...a conscious decision...no I don't believe that anyone chooses depression.

 

Thanks so much for being devil's advocate...I am very interested to see how others reply to this.

5/22/10 9:29am

Great points Rosemarie!

 

The end point you make is one I am fascinated by though...so you don't think cognitive behavioral therapy works?  Tell us more about that.

 

In reading about the author of the one book...she uses only her personal life experience to draw these conclusions.  It would be interesting to know what she might say to being confronted with medical facts. 

 

To be fair...I have not read the book...but only snippets and a lot of what critics say.  Who knows?  Could there be any true pearls of wisdom to be gleaned?  Maybe other folk can enlighten us. 

 

Thank you very much for joining our debate and for your candid opinions...keep 'em coming!

5/21/10 10:05am

Do you think depression is a choice?  Can we cure depression through the power of positive thoughts?  Are we to blame for our depression and/or other illnesses?

I've always been made very angry by such opinions. I get a mental image of someone being sat down and told that they have a choice: a or b - a) go through life wanting to live and feeling emotionally stable and being able to think clearly, etc, or b) go through life fighting the wish to want to die/wanting a way out of being confused and in so much pain and feeling all over the place, etc... Who the hell would choose option b? What on earth does that get anybody? It makes no sense.

 

I know I fight tooth and nail to function, to feel normal, to think 'positive', to want to live, etc. I also know a lot of people (like the people on this site) who do the same thing.

 

Plus a lot of our problems come from genetic/physiological problems and childhood experiences that have tainted our growth - is that our fault?

 

Who would ask for symptoms like insomnia, feeling worthless, inability to function at one's best, social isolation, confusion, panic attacks, nausea, eating problems, headaches, aches and pains, hallucinations and delusions, etc etc?

 

Not a choice. Not something that can be just overcome by thoughts (though you can indeed fight it, as we all do). And most certainly not our own fault.

5/21/10 10:12am

P.S: I forgot to say I do like this whole ORLY thing and a healthy debate is always a good way to stimulate the brain so I'm all for making this a weekly thing Smile

P.P.S: What are your opinions MerelyMe? Just curious...

Anonymous
Anonymous
5/21/10 1:43pm

I can't stand that people tell me to think positively and I will be ok. I've been suffering severely for five years - unable to function, think clearly and I've even lost my memory. I've tried every medication on the planet and I still am not well. Now I've been told by my psychiatrist that I need to find alternatives because I don't respond to medications. I try to fight but sometimes I don't know what I'm fighting for. I'm glad other people know that we don't choose this. It's been a hardship on me and my family. I'm so disconnected and can barely read or watch t.v. even. So uncomfortable in my own skin. I have isolated myself. Does anyone relate? Have you tried ECT and it failed?

 

5/21/10 3:12pm

Have you tried therapy?  And yes, I have heard of cases where people tried ECT and it failed, but it has helped others.  There's also a deep brain stimulation procedure that has had some success.  If you haven't tried therapy yet, I would strongly suggest that you give it a whirl, as it can also give you some tools to prevent or lessen future episodes.

Anonymous
Rosemarie
5/21/10 7:11pm

Hi there, I think this is a very good Topic as its brought up alot of anger and genuine concern too, about the type of Psyco-babble usually written by non medicals, about Depression and this New Age type thing about Positive thinking.

A recent survey/surveys reveal that uttering Positive thoughts/affirmations can actually make us worse !!         I understand just how you feel. Im going through a whopper and have gone through some really bad, lenghthy Depressions with dreadful Anxiety, Self loathing,Distorted thinking, Body Dysmorphia [hating my looks] socially isolating because cant face people Im so down, suicidal ideation.

I think its far far too much of a serious problem to have what sounds to me like another ME book for the 'Make money from Weight problems and Me problems shelves'.    regarding your remark about Meds not suiting and not working, there has been great coverage here about a well know UK actress who had dreadful Depression, shes a lively , nice person, went right down with it, Anyway, she was in a top clinic and after all failed, they gave her 12 ECT treatments, She goes through it in interview and has written a book. shes an actress we all know and love as shes been on a Soap on TV for years.  Berverly Callard is her name if you want to google some info about her. That was the only thing that worked for her. She said it wasnt Barbaric and she couldnt go on feeling so suicidal and wanted to be dead etc and they'd tried everything. 

5/22/10 9:34am

Hi Lyra

 

I am so glad you like this feature...I just may keep this going if you guys are hip to it!

 

I agree with your points Lyra...nobody chooses these symptoms.  Sometimes I think about what life could have been like...had I not always been battling the beast of depression...for one thing...it would have been a whole lot easier.  Depression taints everything. 

 

So glad you are joining us for such discussions...I always love to hear from you!

9/ 8/10 2:08pm

This is a very interesting conversation!  I have been researching this topic to prepare for a lecture that I am giving in just a few weeks. 

I think we would all agree that we are entitled to our own opinions.  I don't think we should bash the author for writing what she believes is the truth and apparently what has worked for her. 

From my own personal beliefs and experiences with depression (since I was a teenager), I believe that how I manage and respond to my depression is a choice.  I believe that there are patterns in my depression that I can see coming at me like a flashing red light and at that moment I have a choice.  I can choose to succuumb to these feelings and ruminating thoughts or I can do whatever works for me to overcome that moment.  To say that I don't have a choice doesn't make sense.  And positive, opimistic thoughts really do work. 

I believe that what we allow in our minds by way of our thoughts or subliminal thoughts/messages can have a huge impact on our outlook on life and our mood for the day. 

What I know is that fighting depression is an ongoing daily battle.  And everyday I have a choice to fight or not to fight.  The days I choose not to fight I am guaranteed to lose a day of my life.  I am guaranteed to have a bleak and gloomy outlook on life.  I am guaranteed to feel hopeless, worthless and guilty for all that I see wrong in my life. Those days I lose the battle.  But, just the opposite is true when I choose to fight.  I am guaranteed to grow stronger and have a more positive and hopeful outlook on life.  I seek help and guidance to work through those moments.  I choose.

There are different levels of depression which require a variety of treatment methods.  Some of us experience mild depression that can easily be treated with changing our thought patterns and some of us have serious chronic depression that require psychotherapy and mulitple medications.  However, the common demnominator is that we all choose to get help.

Bottom line for me, I might not always have a choice in what life throws my way but I always have a choice in how I respond to it.  Happiness is a choice.  And today I choose to be happy.

5/21/10 4:33pm

Spoken like a person who has obviously never experienced true depression.  People who have not truly experienced depression tend to think we are just "having a bad day" or "everyone has the blues sometimes".  I could go on and on.  I am a believer in positive thinking as it definitely is better than negativity.  However, it is by no means a magic bullet that can cure cancer.  I mean, puh-leeze.  I totally agree with the first comment.  I think the benefit of positive thinking lies not in preventing things we don't have control over, but in how we respond to those things.  It is the difference between managing your depression and just succumbing to it. 

5/22/10 9:42am

I think this is a very sensible and well articulated comment....

 

And I would agree...positive thinking has it's merits with how we cope and manage our depression...but as a cure....no...that is simply a fallacy.

 

It is just another slice of the opinion pie...if you look at the rows and rows of self help books out there...it is like they run out of ideas and "positivity" becomes the default channel. 

 

Thank you so much for participating in our lively discussion and I hope to bring back this feature again.

 

 

7/ 8/11 8:24am

I do agree with this responders comment. Please don't say I don't know what real depression is. I am a Viet Nam era vet. I've probably taken every pharmaceutical known to man. To say that positive thinking is a "New Age" idea is ludicrous. It is an ancient idea used in the far east for thousands of years. They also know alternatives to pharmaceuticals. An herbalists is a wonderful experience. Tis amazing that it was an Asian country that took away my sanity, but an Asian culture that has given it back. Positive thinking does work. I would say that phsychiatrists and western medications are a whole lot more "New Age" than positive thinking. A choice was made many thousands of years ago that brought illness into this world, and just like with "divorce" it is usually the innocent that suffer. Not sure how to get back to this page or thread, so this may be last comment from me.

Sincerely, Jack L. Wood. Choose to make this a great day. You do have the power.

 

 

5/21/10 4:58pm

OK . . . . (clearing voice) . . . "I choose not to be depressed!" . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (waiting . . . fingers drumming . . ) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Darn! Well, it was worth a try.

My gut reaction to the "choice" topic is indeed orly-ish. I can agree that perhaps a series of poor choices could contribute to one's depressive symptoms or impede progress or management of their disorder. Perhaps the author found something that worked for her, but it is an incredible lack of insight and true empathy on her part to assume that everyone who suffers from this disorder is just like her. That's why I like you folks so much - you know how it feels and I find comfort in that kind of genuine empathy.

5/21/10 6:09pm

Thanks yeah...

 

I would choose to be real rather than...well...the person who has all the answers.  I don't have all the answers.  I suffer from depression.  I didn't choose it.   It sucks.

 

But...I am responsible for what happens to me regardless of my depression.  I can say that.

 

I totally appreciate your comments.

Anonymous
Andy Alt
5/25/10 1:09pm

It's not black and white whether it's a choice or not. I have been chronically depressed for most of my life. Often I can point to triggers that cause a poor mood or anger, and often it's my reaction that may define how I feel. There are times when I can identify sources of mood changes. I've noticed that being on the computer increases my anxiety and causes my thoughts to race more. Staying off the computer for about 3 days alleviates it. I'm noticing more that when I get angry, it's a type of choice. It's a defense mechanism I developed when I was younger, it helps create a wall between me and that who or which I have no control over. So it basically becomes a habit, a choice if you will, that I need to work at breaking. I know that my anger, and sitting around stewing and letting my feelings fester, does me no good, it only hurts me. As for depression, if I'm in tune with myself well, I can sense it's a type of security blanket. As if I'm so familiar and comfortable with it, I don't know how to think a different way, or maybe at times I don't want to try, to have my familiar thing taken away.

 

But for a person with depression, choosing to think positive is not like choosing something on a restaurant menu. There is also something called "Depressive Realism" which suggest some people who suffer from depression see things more accurate than "non-depressed" folks. I won't try to elaborate further, googling it will yield much better information.

 

So no, I don't think depression is a choice, but I do think there are times when I could react better, or make an effort to get my mind on something else, or change some habits that could prevent any negative moods from escalating.

 

But it's different for everybody. Separating the biological cause from that which people can control is quite impossible. Something as simple as food can cause one's biology (and mind) to react either positively or negatively.

 

In the end, all I can do is keep trying, and making an effort to become more aware of what I can control and what I can't, and forgiving myself if I can't solve all my problems. I would just never want to give up trying, throwing up my hands and saying it's just a disease I have absolutely no control over. I know for some people it's more about genetics and biology, but as my condition has improved (without psych drugs) over the past few years, I could only say it's not true in my case. By the way, my depression has been severe, with two suicide attempts, and my last severe episose was three weeks ago. Not mild, so figure that I have a pretty good idea what I'm talking about.

5/26/10 10:43pm

I chose to post my comment on the next Post by MM. It's called Excuses..GOD BLESS YOU & YOURS........Mike...... Just trying yo keep the conversation LIVELY...

11/13/10 11:37pm

I think that in my situation, depression was a side affect of negative ideas, feelings and thoughts that I had for days, then weeks, on end, until I ended up depressed, and I felt completely out of the energy to feel a positive thought, I would even tell myself in the morning "Please feel, please feel your emotions" or "Everythings going to be ok" but those affirmations only work if you can actually feel them, even just feeling a spark of them will turn them into a process that works eventually...

 

But to answer the question, I don't think depression is a choice, I think it's a result.

 

 

3/21/11 12:48am

Right.  I've heard a lot of similar verdicts, always from folks who have never had a blue day in their lives.  I've suffered from some form of dysthymia and/or major depression since childhood.  Since I also had severe asthma,it was all rolled into one neat package that could be cured if I would simply "deal with my emotions."  Tongue out Sometime in the 1970s, the medical community realized that many children and adults were dying from this mood-induced breathing disorder. Asthma suddenly became a "serious" health problem.  Now it seems like depression is in the place that asthma was 40 years ago.  What if I were diabetic and had to take insulin?  Would I feel guilty or have to listen to theories about how my pancreas was damaged by negative thinking?  My brain is also an organ, one just as vulnerable to glitches caused by life.  Why the stigma?  Oh, I still have asthma AND also depression.  My emotions are just fine, thank you, until someone starts the "positive thinking" and disease train.  When I mention that toddlers also get cancer, no one seems to know whose negative vibes would be responsible.  I have no idea, either.

Anonymous
ShanDunne
12/14/11 9:09am

I am 18 years old and i have had depression since i was 15.. i have been on so many different medications. i would like to know which 15 year old choses to have that disease... it is not a choice ever.. thank you merely me for your blog/post. inspired me. :)

Anonymous
depressed Person
1/12/13 10:10pm

I cannot agree that being depressed (or not) is a choice. I liken it to saying that if I jump off of a roof, I can chose to fly. 

I am homeless, I have been fired from my last several jobs for sobbing throughout the day or not being able to wake to an alarm clock, I have lost everything I've ever worked for and now have a lable attached to my name for having sought help for suicidality from my county mental health facility. 

I've spent thousands of dollars on therapy, counseling, psychiatric professionals and countless more on medication. I've read every book about positive thought on the market, done enough yoga and meditation to become a human pretzel, and I am still depressed. 

I presume the same people who truly believe this was my choice also believe that being black is a decision one makes. 

Anonymous
depressed Person
1/12/13 10:10pm

I cannot agree that being depressed (or not) is a choice. I liken it to saying that if I jump off of a roof, I can chose to fly. 

I am homeless, I have been fired from my last several jobs for sobbing throughout the day or not being able to wake to an alarm clock, I have lost everything I've ever worked for and now have a lable attached to my name for having sought help for suicidality from my county mental health facility. 

I've spent thousands of dollars on therapy, counseling, psychiatric professionals and countless more on medication. I've read every book about positive thought on the market, done enough yoga and meditation to become a human pretzel, and I am still depressed. 

I presume the same people who truly believe this was my choice also believe that being black is a decision one makes. 

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