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Are You an Optimist, Pessimist, or a Depressive Realist?

By Merely Me Monday, November 01, 2010

If you suffer from depression you may have been told at one point or another that your thinking is distorted and that you have unrealistic perceptions of the world. Isn’t that what cognitive behavioral therapy is all about? Changing the way we think so that we feel better? And somewhere down the line you may have also been told that you are a pessimist or engage in negative thinking due to your depression. Some even say that negative thinking is a primary cause for depression. But what if someone told you, you may be depressed but you are absolutely accurate about a lot of things?

 

Like for example, that you were right about your friend’s boyfriend being a bad egg, unscrupulous and not to be trusted. Or that you’re your prediction of looming layoffs at your work ended up coming true. What about your uncanny ability to read body language and decipher tone to make the assumption that your mother-in-law really doesn’t like you? And then you find out from a second source that your “negative” assumption was grounded in reality. You may have gotten flack for your perceptions and you may be accused of being a glass half empty type of person. I prefer to call it, cutting through the cr** and seeing reality for what it is. Keep the glass I don’t need it.

 

There is a psychological term for this concept that people with depression possess the ability, in some situations, to perceive reality far better than their cheerier counterparts. This controversial concept is called depressive realism

 

Many psychologists and researchers have something to say about this intriguing theory. In 1988 psychologists, Shelley E. Taylor and Jonathon D. Brown, reviewed evidence that non-depressed individuals held positive illusions in three domains:

 

• The non-depressed view themselves in unrealistically positive terms.

 

• They believe that they have greater control over environmental events than is actually the case.

 

• They hold views of the future that are more rosy than data could justify.

 

In essence, this theory proposes that the typical non-depressed person uses happy illusions to maintain their self esteem and get through the day. In comparison, the individual having mild to moderate depression is reported to have a more realistic perspective of his or her image as well as in interpreting information from the external world. Some would caution to not extrapolate that all happy people are necessarily delusional nor does it mean that people with depression are not sometimes distorted in their thinking. Yet this theory does seem to give a silver lining to having what some people call a depressive personality.

 

According to this theory maybe we who suffer from depression are not negative but merely realistic in our self appraisal as well as our perceptions of our environment.

 

Of course there are many who would dispute this claim because it seems illogical to trust anything outside of what we deem as “normal” thinking. Author Christopher Putnam, in his article entitled, “The Total Perspective Vortex” explains:

11/ 1/10 11:21pm

Hi, Merely Me.  I have heard about this theory, as well, and I believe it.  I can't tell you how many times I was told I had an "attitude problem" in school and at work because I would see things implemented that seemed so stupid, it was hard to believe someone with a higher education could even think this way.  At work, we would have these periodic "programs" like "Have a Good Day" where you were supposed to use that little smiley icon on everything.  Oh, then we had to be rated on "leadership attributes."  It didn't matter if you were in a position where you had no one to lead, you'd still get rated on things like "comes up with new and innovative ideas" or "is able to steer the group to successful outcomes."  Give me a break.  We weren't getting paid enough to do the leadership that the people who WERE getting paid enough should have been doing.

 

Anyway, I've always seen myself as someone with a decent amount of common sense, but it's never been considered "politically correct" to be the one to call attention to the absence of "The Emperor's New Clothes" or to the fact that some "new" rearrangement of things is not a reinvention of the wheel.  I do like to find something hopeful about most things, but I guess I'm certainly not one of those who keep themselves delusionally "happy" and have to put a positive spin on everything.  Sometimes, there just is nothing positive about a thing and then you have to deal with it and figure out how you're going to live with it or work around it.

 

I did feel rather vindicated when I read about this theory a while back - I'm NOT crazy!!

11/ 2/10 10:32pm

You are most certainly not "crazy" Judy. 

 

But such a workplace environment can make you feel like that.  I am sure you began to doubt your own reality.  I don't know how this so frequently occurs in so many workplaces...this need for nonsense.  You ever notice how many cutesy big print business books there are written by gurus?  Like...who moved my cheese or...any other tale about cute little animals written as a business allegory?  What is this need? Maybe there is some smiley face book out there which gave them this idea at your job.

 

I can relate similar stories...let me know if you want to hear them.

 

I bet...you just simply wanted to do your job.  But no...you were forced into smiley face land.  Big business...it's a gas.

 

 

 

 

Anonymous
Ingrid
5/13/11 12:14pm

Excellent post - but can you be both Optimistic and Realistic?  I am one of those relentlessly cheery people...life hands me lemons and I make lemonaide.

 

But - I have a laser-beem realistic view - I read body language expertly, see layoffs coming a mile away and know the "slings and arrows" of outrageous fortune.

 

Yet, I am not depressed.  I am the queen of putting things into persepective.  

 

Sure, I had a 3 cm brain tumor in 2001 but how many children die everyday from cancer and brain tumors - surely, I can persevere through recovery or dying with equal grace?  Sure, work is driving me crazy but how many people are out of work and would be thrilled to have my challenges?  You bet that some people don't like me or insult me - but I take the high road - it hasn't failed me yet.

 

Is there a category of "choosing to stay positive but realistic?  Two people from work just sent me an angry/accusing emails.  Sure, I grumbled about their tone privately for about 10 seconds -- then I put on my big girl panties and found a way to turn the negative around into a positive.  I responded with the correct information (they were both misinformed) but I thanked them for their analysis of the situation and for reaching out to me.   The next emails from them said "THANKS for doing such a great job!"  Ta -da Smile

 

I start my mornings with Mighty Mouse's song "Here I come to save the day!"  Whether I feel like it right then or not....it's important for me to getting charged up and psyched up to choose to be my very best self each day.

 

That may be too sugary-sweet for some but it works for me.  My Mom suffered from depression and I saw the dark clouds in her eyes and her Eeyore view of the world. Nope. Not for me. 

 

 

5/13/11 5:57pm

I have a similar way of dealing with reality while keeping myself from falling into the abyss, so I certainly can relate to your point of view.  I actively try to look at any positive aspect I can find, no matter how small, while staying very aware of the harsh reality.  Just because life really does suck doesn't mean you have to be a grinch while acknowledging the truth.  Sometimes you have to take a deep breath and force yourself to let it all go.  After all, you have little control over it, so why torture yourself?  If you start by letting go of the little things that don't really matter, you eventually realize that nearly all negative issues are just little things!  Then you start to see the few things that really matter in life, like your health, your loved ones and the precious moments we share with them.  Everything else is really just small potatoes!...

6/23/11 7:43pm

I love mighty mouse!

 

Great stuff here...I think you should write a sharepost to talk more about your experiences.

 

Thanks so much for your comment.

Anonymous
DepressiveOptimist
7/14/11 9:43am

I'm also a strange mix of ridiculously optimistic as well as realistically cynic.  There are old sayings that support this approach... "Walk softly and carry a big stick"... "God helps those who helps themselves".  I attribute some of my optimistic 'give me lemons and I'll make lemonade' to a logical perspective as well.  Being positive gives you the strategic upper hand in most situations.  Notice that I said 'positive' and not 'enthusiastic'.  There's a difference.  One can be positive towards people but not always towards ideas.  In fact, I've challenged ideas while being so damn optimistic people don't take it wrong.  And, yes, I make cynical determinations and act according to them... and keep that to myself.  I prefer cynical accountants and business analysts.  I take their advice, and run with whatever I want to.

8/29/11 12:03am

I am so glad I stumbled onto this article. I suffer from Depression and Realism. I am accused of being negative if I say the lakes are drying up and they are. Am I supposed to  pretend they are overflowing? I am so sensitive to the suffering of others that I don't even know. My heart breaks over abused children yet I get asked "why do you read that stuff?" It seems to me that society wants us to pretend life is always up when it is not. I am happy and very grateful for what I have and more so than others. I am a very giving person unlike some of the "all about me" I work with. Yet if you are not smiling and floating in the clouds you are perceived as never happy or depressed all the time. This is not the case!

9/ 1/11 6:32pm

Laughing about Mighty Mouse.  The problem is, I've saved the day over and over and over again, for going on 30 years, and the world still seems fit to turn it into used kitty litter by the next morning.

 

I know I'm not crazy.  I know that men approaching age 50 get depressed.  Guess why?  10 years ago I was saving the world from it's own stupidity.  You know what?  It didn't matter.  The world didn't want to be saved, and clung to it's own stupidity like a drowning man clinging to a board rather than reaching for a raft.  Now, 10 years later, all I have to show for all that effort is a declining salary, declining health, one home and a couple hundred thousand dollars burned up, no savings, no retirement, and still sitting in a cube.  I'm depressed because my life SUCKS.  Go ahead, convince me otherwise.

 

11/ 1/10 11:37pm

 

Hi MM and all,

     Does depression help you to see the world in a more realistic light?

I'm starting to have some stability in handling depressive symptoms, but as far as having confidence to say I understand depression enough to evaluate when being depressed has been helpful in seeing the world more accurately...I guess I have to say sometimes, but only because exercising reasoning about any topic helps one to see the world more accurately. Putting depression and world view in the same sentence is stretching my willingness to generalize.

      Have you ever been accused of being negative, when you felt you were merely being realistic?

Yes, and rightly so many times. When depression is winning, one may ruminate to the depletion of better appraisals of reality.

      Do you believe that happiness sometimes requires an unrealistic perspective of the world?

No, maintaining happiness requires an attitude that our creator wants what is best for our continued growth. Then what happens to us is part of a continous

learning process that does not end when we have run out of patience. Happiness is believing that spirit is stronger than emotion, period.

Ric

 

11/ 2/10 10:35pm

I appreciate your perspective.  I think there are a lot of people who would agree with you.  It seems like you have a framework which really works for you.  I respect that.

Anonymous
Somnambulist
7/29/11 8:26am

I would argue that belief in a creator is just another crutch to bolster reality because it is more comforting living with the idea that some omnipotent creator has a plan for us. As an atheist and an optimism, I see no need for this crutch. 

Anonymous
W8N4LJC
8/24/11 2:39pm

Som - I'm afraid your disturbed sleep pattern is showing - atheism and optimism are mutually exclusive, without delusion.  Realizing that you are a cosmic accident with no future cannot lead to optimism in any rational way since you are "without hope and without God in the world".

 

I was intrigued to read about depressive realism (first time) because it describes my condition precisely.  A realistic view of the world and of our own nature will lead to depression.  As Ric points out, it takes an understanding beyond what we perceive physically and experientially to have a reason for optimism.  The human spirit is awakened by Jesus Christ as we face the truth of our sinful nature by trusting Him, and He alone can supply hope that is not delusional.  I realize that many will think that I am the one who is delusional.  But there really is such a thing as objective truth, and it will ultimately be revealed to all.

 

 

11/29/11 2:26am

Unless you are referring to belief in a supernatural eternal afterlife as a future, I see no reason that an atheist cannot get an optimistic view of the future from an ongoing good and loving relationship, success in effecting beneficial change and support for others, the ability to earn a comfortable living, and health bolstered by effective effort.

 

Or that a religious believer cannot revel in pessimistic contemplation of a horrid but blessed temporal sojourn through this carnal and vain valley of tears and death as the suffering paid for a seat in the eternal choir. No matter how empty, I don't see any atheist future based on encouraging nuclear war in Israel to bring on Armageddon as some fundmentalist religious fanatics propose [and I don't mean Muslims].

 

Whenever I evaluate the worth of secular versus religious futures, I ask myself whether I'd rather have the power to launch nuclear weapons or socially innovative programs in the hands of a president who sees this life as a waiting room for kingdom come or in the hands of a leader who sees this life as the only chance one gets to do what's best.

 

Rationality and belief are mutually exclusive, but optimism is an evaluation not a superstition. That’s why atheism and rational evaluation are quite compatible. So rather than engage in a rational discussion of belief [impossible] I say whatever gets you through the night and to the morning after. If that’s religion, and you’re not running for president, go for it.

11/ 2/10 3:15am

Hi Merely Me,

There were several parts of this post I really agreed on... so much so that I've copied them down... I really like what you said about the half empty glass: 'I prefer to call it, cutting through the cr** and seeing reality for what it is. Keep the glass I don't need it.' Personally I say the glass simply is at half mark - the positive or negative half full or half empty is a label we put on it, and is often influenced by whatever mood we are in that day and what else has happened. In the end it is simply what it is. A glass at half mark.

 

I often find that I am being realistic when someone says I'm negative (although ironically I've also been called really positive by some people too, so there you go)... but having said that I do know when I get really depressed my perceptions are indeed distorted. I like this theory, but it puts danger into depressed people not combatting those thoughts that make us feel like we cannot cope anymore - sometimes we are indeed being more realistic than others... other times we are lost in the fog of pain, humiliation, misery, anger, etc in our heads... Or that's what I think anyway.

11/ 2/10 7:23am

Dear Merely Me,  Ive met many totally Negative and constantly whiney Moaners who dont suffer Depression at all. Ive met optimistic suffereres of Depression and other Mental Disorders who are happy at heart [not elated].

To answer your question - I view myself as being Optimistic and a Realist. I am very tuned in [unfortunately] and can nearly sense when a row is about to break out on the Train, I pick up others feelings too !! Too sensitive? yes, Too  emotional ? yes. I know I get dreadfully upset about animal/human cruelty and wars and greed and the economy and people losing their businesses and jobs and lonely people, people whose hearts have been broken, and souls after returning from war - However, I'm a realist.  To me, the glass is half empty because thats what it is - Im happy to have a half a glass of water rather than none, so I have a spirit of Gratitude, ditto a roof over my head.

When they built a Multi-Billion Shopping Centre [gigantic] across the road from me and it took the community away and was all about expensive clothes, I told the 3 Bosses that they were shortsighted and were catering for the 'Rich' and that if they looked at USA they'd see whats happening there and it would effect us and the EC and the world [first world] would be going into a  monstrous Recession. I was being realistic, I felt they should have grocery shops with good organic food, thrift shops, cheaply priced clothes shops - They told me I was one of the most Negative people theyd met.   Now the Centre with its exhorbatant rents and designer handbags at 3000$ is like a Ghost town.

So - A realist, but I tend to be happy and outgoing whilst at the same time suffering Depression - Hope this makes sense.

IM A HAPPY PERSON WHO SUFFERS DREADFULLY WITH DEPRESSION Wink

11/ 2/10 10:44pm

I like this Lyra...a glass at half mark.  Exactly.

 

You make a very strong point that yes...there is a danger in saying every depressive thought is free from distortion or delusion.  We all know that isn't true.  And that is why I was trying to be careful with my words in this post.  Much of depression IS about distorted thinking.  But sometimes...in some situations...we are accurate and I think it is because we have been through this emotional turmoil.  We understand how important it is to see the truth for what it is...without the sugar coatings. 

 

One could probably argue that there is no "reality" and that everything is filtered through our perceptions and what we take in through our faulty senses. 

 

I personally feel that some sense of illusion is sometimes necessary to live in the world.  Otherwise...watching the news alone...would send one over the edge.  We need our buffers and personal defenses. 

 

I am really enjoying reading all the comments to this post...thanks so much for participating in this discussion.  You are so youg Lyra...how did you get so much wisdom at such an early age?

11/ 2/10 10:54pm

Rose...

 

Your story reminds me of that song...put up a parking lot..in some ways.

 

You are one strong lady with so much chutzpah.

 

I truly admire you for always saying the right things...even though you know you might get such a nonsensical response.  My god...you are not negative.  You care!  Imagine that...someone who cares. 

 

I like how you say this too...that you are a happy person who happens to suffer from depression.  I totally get that. 

 

I think for so many of us...we have had to be "optimists" to survive with this beast.  We don't just say flowery words...we are living it.  We get up...we keep trying...despite...the depression...despite the life challenges.  It means a whole lot more than some guru's book about ten easy ways to be happy. 

 

Ya know?  I know you know...and that is why you are so adored.

 

 

11/ 3/10 8:27am

Hi Merely ME, Thanks SO much for your kind words. My flu is back today and I was feeling awful and your really nice response lifted my spirits immensely !

The power of a Kind word. Yes, MM, we are Warriors, heroes [largely misunderstood] often taken to be malingerers/fakes, Workshy, losers, who face a daily battle with Distorted feelings, black hopeless thoughts that we have little or no control over [despite what pop psychology books say], we are like pieces of wood, being tossed around the sea and never quite knowing how we will wake up the next day.  ~  Despite that, we laugh, we help each other here online, we accept that we can all [myself included] be difficult at times, seem self-centred.

Many of us have lost partners and jobs through our Conditon yet we have fun,

we make the most of life.  I say three Cheers for all those on DC  you are all

survivors and unsung Heroes; in a world that largely stimatises and fears our

Depression/Mental Distress. WinkHugs from Dublin,Ireland  Lashing Rain - we call that 'A soft day' over here !!!

11/ 5/10 6:31am

I so totally agree with this, I have just turned 49,  have suffered depression like, ever since I can remember, and I have always benn,also, as intuitive as you are about the people around me. I have never though, concisered myself a negative type person, but i veiw my glass as always being full to overflowing, even with the depression, but it is great to hear about the way I see things(totally as realalistic),and getting frustrated with people who don't think. Nice also to know that there is sciencetific proof behind the way we all think, explains why almost all the people i have been friends with since elmentary school are the same way i am, occassionally, one is a bit to able to read, so I have never been able to lie about anything in my life and get away with it.

11/ 5/10 2:34pm

Hi, you sound as if youve a good grip on who you are, and that youve accepted yourself, are mature, and have friends around you who think as you do, or at least respect your unique ness. Good on you. Well done . you sound a realist to me

8/29/11 12:32am

As I read all these posts it is hard to believe that I now find myself the norm. I am just me. I love the ocean but I can still see the dead fish on the bottom. I love  birds but I can see the eggs that did not hatch. Is this so terrible? Is this negative?  Are we never ever supposed to utter 1 negative word? I do not think so. Yes, postive thinking is a great thing but can you do it every day of your life without facing the truth?  NO Will it turn reality into dream. NO I always  tell someone I see in black or white. It is or it isn't. I don't pretend the glass is full. If it is empty I will be thirsty and fill it up but what I see is what it is and I just try to do the best I can with whatever comes my way. To me living in a perpetual fairytale is not good for reality.

11/ 2/10 8:13am

Hi M/M & all,

 

I tend to view myself as more of a Depressive Realist with a streak of Optimism. Like Rose, whether 1/2 empty or 1/2 full I'm grateful to have the glass (although it would be nice to be 1/2 filled with something other than water Wink).

 

Being in the deepest throes of Depression can certainly mar our views of reality, however my belief is that the reality we see is ours & ours alone. That whole "have a nice day" exercise reminds me of the Kindergarten rating "plays well with others". What a load!!! Believe me, I have no fear of telling the emporer s/he's wearing no clothes; often to the demise of some relationships.

 

Long story short, I see things & people as they are however for the most part I keep my mouth shut & watch things unfold (or unravel as appropriate). I'll offer help & advice when asked, however I'm most optimistic as I believe in the "pendulum" theory with regard to our lives & life itself.

 

Carl Cool

 

 

11/ 2/10 11:02pm

I would love to hear about this pendulum theory.  Is it anything like karma?

 

Seems there are a lot of emporers and empresses without any clothes on.  Now who shall be the one to tell them?  Smile

 

There is a time and place for all things.  Honesty is good if it serves a purpose.  Sometimes silence is...wise and sometimes it is not.  It all depends. Even after living so many years...it is hard to know.

 

Thank you as always for sharing your insights here.  I am really enjoying this discussion.

11/ 3/10 8:35am

Hi Carl, It's great to have you back, I love your posts, I thought you'd defected to Sicily ! I'd love to know  more about the Pendulum Theory too. I think youve a great streak of mischief and a great sense of humour .

11/ 3/10 10:05am

Thanks M/M & Rose!

 

I too believe in honesty, however it begins with ones' self in knowing what & WHEN to say anything. There are times when "Silence IS golden" you know! That also goes along with telling the Emporer/ess about their lack of clothes!

 

Yes, I've been known to have a 'slight' streak of mischief in me...all for fun, though.

 

My "pendulum theory"? Life itself is like a clock pendulum...it swings left, then right. Yesterday's elections are living proof. Life has a way of "righting itself" (for the most part) in this way except under the most extreme circumstances (Hitler, Bosnia, etc). It's when that pendulum comes to a stop in the center, the clock stops; as does any progress/regress in life. The pendulum must keep swinging, hopefully in shorter strokes.

 

Now for some mischief....*heheheh*Innocent

 

Carl

11/ 3/10 3:14pm

That uh...pendulum was just fine on the left.  :>)

 

I agree though...life is like that...I guess the yin and yang philosophy might apply somewhere here too.

 

There is probably a philosophy for all ocassions.

11/ 3/10 6:51pm

hi MM,Carl, I'd see life as sort of Circle where things come around. I'm hoping with the World Recession that people will become less materialistic, more caring, that Community will evolve again and we'll become nicer people. Look after the old crossing the street - you know what I mean.  Maybe thats more the optimist in me rather than the Circle but Ive seen the circle in History, excess followed by putitanism followed by ... and econmics seem to go in circles.

 

11/ 4/10 9:16am

So true, Rose. People need to understand "need" VS "want". Reminds me of an old Gypsy curse - "May you get everything you want!". If I had everything I thought I wanted, I'd be in a real mess! Since 'scaling down' I have what I need along with a few extra goodies to sweeten the pot!

11/ 4/10 4:20pm

Hi Carl, I agree, Simplify life, the less 'stuff' we have the less anxiety. I try and go by that code of Needs and Wants. Its very tough when Media is throwing these ads at you from everywhere. I enjoy a luxury from time to time too, but I see it as being not that important. It could be a bag, a lipstick, sometimes its a good book.. but I realise that its a luxury and not neccessary for my existence.

For me, keeping life very simple lessens Depression. That goes for friends too. I had so many 'fairweather' friends who just wanted me when I was fun and the life and soul of the party. They dissapeared when I lost my job some years ago.

I slowly and without vengeance, let them slip gently from my life and now I have a handful of good, decent friends.  The same goes for Wardrobe, Garden, outings.'Less is more and helps with anxiety.

As the saying goes 'Be careful what you wish/pray for, you just might get it'

Glad things seem to be going well for you. 'Hope you have a nice photo of 'Sheila' in your livingroom. She shared alot of your life.

11/ 5/10 9:05am

Hi Rose,

 

Funny you should mention Sheila...I do have a photo of her i my kitchen & living room (along with a growing collection of photos of friends & family)! Photos are something where "less is more" doesn't necesarilly apply! Wink

6/23/11 7:49pm

Hey Rose and Carl

 

Just making comments on this older post and was wondering how you two are doing.  It has been awhile since we have seen you guys on the site.  Hope everything is okay.

 

MM

11/ 2/10 11:04am

Hi MM and all,

 

I am so tired, that I can barely read right now but thought I'd force my words out just because, so it may not make sense.

 

 

"If you are not outraged, you are not paying attention." I believe this.  But one must control outrage and channel it into positive.

 

 The world has gotten less gentle I believe, more aggressive.  So what does that mean?  Maybe we will sway back again to a gentler way.  I hope so.

 

  My cat is very happy I think.  Can we frolic and smile?

 

 

"We must be the change we wish to see in the world."- Ghandi  He also said, "Rushing is a form a violence" 

 

Slow down, be still and let the apple juice settle.  The pulp will go to the bottom and the glass will be full of clear delicious apple juice to drink.  I try to do this daily.

 

I believe this too.

 

"We cannot do great things, only small things with great love."- Mother Theresa

 

I believe that too.  There is always light and dark in the world, in people.  Opposites.  Yin and yang.

 

Focus on a positive thought and feel good.  Focus on a negative one and feel bad.  Chemicals may certainly effect thought patterns.

 

I drank the wine in the glass today and am just drunk.  Sometimes I focus on positive thoughts, glass half full and feel good.  I forgot topic. 

 

 

Really, I am ok, just tired :)

 

cheers and blessings to all,

 

Marishka

11/ 2/10 11:05pm

Hey Marishka!

 

I think I will have what you are having. 

 

I do agree with these quotes.  I have been reading and taking in all the wonderful responses to this post...there are a lot of ideas I want to fully ingest.  I think a further comment or post from me is in order...there is a lot to cover.

 

Thank you so much for your thoughts...they are much appreciated.

11/ 2/10 11:09am

Dear MM and all, I would have to say I am a Depressive Realist. Certainly at times I guess I might be a pessimist or an optimist but it is usually with good cause. I'm sitting here as I type looking at this Feeling Good book by Dr. David Burns which I've tried on several occasions to PLOW through and to be perfectly honest it just dosen't do anything for me. It's unrealistic and the premise it teaches is a lot of work for very few results.  If it helps some people that is great, but it's just not for me.  One thing about being a realist is that you're never surprised. I think people who adopt a Pollyanna attitude just have farther to fall when reality inevitably hits. Does that sound negative? I'm really not a negative person. I'm very grateful for all good things in my life. Once in a while I even see the glass as3/4 full. Thanks for a very interesting subject, Sioux.

11/ 2/10 11:16pm

Hi Sioux

 

I don't view you as negative.  I think you are simply honest that...a lot of this "positivity" stuff promoted as a marketable money making concept...just doesn't ring true for so many of us.  Being positive isn't something one can buy at the store.  I would much rather hear about how someone has coped with a particular life challenge...than follow some bullet point formula for happiness. 

 

You ever watch the movie "groundhog day"?  It is about living the same day over and over...and bill murray...gets to try to have this perfect day.  One day he and the girl he likes...they spontaneously fall in the snow...I think they make snow angels.  The next day...he tries to recreate that...with exact precision...and she is like...get away from me.  Because it wasn't real.  Just like you can't just turn on positivity like some switch...by following some set of rules.  It doesn't work like that.

 

I am rambling...

 

anyhoo...

 

peoples...I am tired.  I will comment on all the other responses...but tomorrow.

 

you guys are great.  whether you are labeled an optimist, pessimist or something in between...it is no matter...we are all in this together. 

 

 

11/ 2/10 12:47pm

I think that I am a person who has depression and is often a realist.  However, there have been times when anxiety has prevented me from being a realist.  For example, my younger daughter married a guy who'd been married twice before.  He was intelligent and seemed nice.  He made a big deal of warning my daughter in my presence that he didn't ever want to go through a divorce again--indicating that their marriage would be "till death do us part."  My older daughter tried to talk to me about his issues with lack of commitment and what ultimately happen with his and my other daughter's marriage, but I couldn't bear the anxiety of thinking that he would not do as he had said.  I could not be a realist at that time.  Sure enough, about 8 months after my grandson was born, my son-in-law told my daughter he wanted her to leave.  Had I been able to hold onto my realism during this time, it would not have been as painful to me that he had "broken his promise" and wedding vows.  I had been optimistic, unfortunately. 

 

From what I have learned about family (of origin) dysfunction, we children of those families become "hypervigilant," which makes us super-aware of others' moods and attitudes so that we can protect ourselves in possibly "dangerous" situations.  I have never lost this awareness.

 

I believe that negative thoughts do not cause depression, but rather that depression can and does cause negative thoughts.  When my mood improves, negative thoughts lessen.

patsy

11/ 3/10 3:19pm

You say so much with your comment Patsy.

 

I wonder if this was not so much optimism but just...you were really hoping.  And you were really wanting this person to do the right thing.  I am so sorry it didn't work out.

 

I think you are absolutely right about our hypervigilism...people who have had trauma or have had to cope with a bad childhood...it makes you more sensitive...more empathic but also as you say...more aware and alert to dangers in our environment whether they be events or people.

 

Thanks so much for participating in our discussion and for sharing your experiences with us.

11/ 2/10 4:06pm

Yes, I always do get told that I'm a negative thinker... but apparently I'm also "silent", "lifeless" and "in my own world"... or could just better classify it as "dreamer".

 

I think I tend to dream, more than to see real life... yet I never forget reality.

Which is confusing.

 

So I'm not sure. I see things DIFFERENTLY, but whether that view is more accurate than other people's... maybe in some cases, but I personally think I'm a pessimist.

11/ 3/10 3:23pm

This is interesting Ruby.

 

Would you say that you are an introvert?  I think many of us could probably be classified as dreamers.  But are the dreams good ones or...is your head sometimes filled up with worst case scenarios or anxieties? 

 

I think I am going to write another follow up post describing my personal view of optimism, pessimism, and realism.  It gets confusing...least for me it does.  I think it would help to have a good working definition of each.

11/ 5/10 8:12am

Good dreams and bad. It used to be just good, but then doubts started to creep up on me... kinda ruining my dreams.

 

For example...

I haven't seen my english friends for about four years now... and I always used to dream about going back and being with them and... you know... "just like old times".

I should've realized that old times don't come back.

But I was really starting to get caught up with this whole idea. I spent so much time dreaming... and hating my life... that it got out of control...

 

But then... I don't know for sure what it was that made me see... maybe re-activating my account on facebook, and checking my old friends' accounts...

It made me see how much everything had changed... how much THEY had changed... and I saw that after four years we hardly knew each other anymore, that maybe they wouldn't want me back...

Lots of bitter feelings, so many tears... but at last I retreated a little from my dreamworld.

Not entirely though.

I still dream about "what might have been"... I think a part of me always will... but I try not to let myself drown in it.

 

Recently I've been experimenting with focus... but no real results yet.

 

I've written more on your recent post about realism, so I won't go into it again.

11/ 2/10 5:03pm

hi Everyone

I wonder if being a realist has anything to being afraid

And being careful about what you do

I know I am afraid to do things and dont take chances

But there are times when I do take a chance and 'just luck out'

and dont get hurt and wondering how I lived another day

Thank you for bringing up this subject

Jon

11/ 3/10 3:25pm

I am happy to see you Jon.

 

You always say things that really make me think.  Maybe..maybe depressive realism is a little bit about being afraid to take chances.  You kinda do have to put reality aside in order to take certain risks.  This is a really wise observation.  I would like to think on it some more.

 

Thanks so much for your comment.

11/ 2/10 7:27pm

My favorite therapist told me I was "overly analytical."  I prefer to think of it as getting to the truth.  Does that have anything to do with my depression?  I don't know.  But it has everything to do with simply being me.  I like to keep looking deeper and deeper (hopefully not into Nietzsche's abyss) until I get to the core.  The heart of the matter.  Only then am I satisfied.

 

But I admit, sometimes maybe I go a bit far and self-analysis turns into self-criticism.

11/ 3/10 3:27pm

Hi Donna

 

I feel that I am like this too.  I have been told that I think too much.  As if thinking is a bad thing.  But I do agree...sometimes you get into too much over analysis and...it turns inward and begins to attack. 

 

Thanks so much for sharing your experience.

11/ 4/10 4:14pm

Hi Donna, Ive been told I suffer 'analysis paralysis' too. I tend to question things, myself, world leaders, the way people treat each other, I think there's room enough for us all and if everyone lived on the 'surface' it would be a pretty awful uncaring and supericial world. Be who are are, and be proud to dig deeper.

11/ 3/10 12:26am

Hi, I have thought about how I think before.  I have noticed that as an artist I have a very idealist idea of how things should be.  Romantic and beautiful ideas of how life should be...and anything less than that is super depressing!  So I'm set up for failure... I am almost 40 and it's taken me my whole life to realize life can not and will not ever be what i deem perfect for me.  I'm learning to accept...it's not easy.   That said, I can be a realist/negative a lot of the time. Working in health care brings out the realism. I get my realism from my dad and my fantasy romantisism from my mom.

11/ 3/10 12:26am

Hi, I have thought about how I think before.  I have noticed that as an artist I have a very idealist idea of how things should be.  Romantic and beautiful ideas of how life should be...and anything less than that is super depressing!  So I'm set up for failure... I am almost 40 and it's taken me my whole life to realize life can not and will not ever be what i deem perfect for me.  I'm learning to accept...it's not easy.   That said, I can be a realist/negative a lot of the time. Working in health care brings out the realism. I get my realism from my dad and my fantasy romantisism from my mom.

11/ 3/10 3:32pm

This is a very interesting self observation Ginger. 

 

I am wondering if you also see beauty in imperfection and also in the imperfections of yourself.  It is a really tough realization to think that we never will be perfect.  But accepting this can do wonders for your mental health. 

 

Thank you for contributing your insights...they are greatly appreciated.

Anonymous
Breanna
11/ 4/10 9:27am

I have never found an article that relates to my depression.  I have been blessed/cursed with an inborn abilty to see the situation as it really is.  My friends often jokingly refer to me as "the witch"  I would love to see the world through rose colored glasses but I can't.I think when I seen the negative I will expend a lot of energy trying to prove myself wrong and this exhaustion leeds to depression.

11/ 4/10 5:45pm

Hi there

 

This is a very interesting self observation.  Why would your friends call you this?  I think sometimes saying the truth of things...does make some people cringe...as though the truth should always be covered up if it is not pleasing.  But it is true that depression can also distort one's thoughts...it is a difficult balance for sure. 

 

I am glad you have come to this site.  Please do keep sharing with us.  We are eager to hear from you.

11/ 5/10 8:46am

My friends called me the witch because of intitution.  I worked Labor and delivery as an RN and my skills of observation let me be able to tell with in a matter of 15 minutes or so when a patient would deliver.  I would often announce this several hours in advance.  I also had what seemed to others to have the the ability to see the short and sometimes long term future.  No I am not a witch but my ability to see clearly often led me to conclusions that others did not see.  I am very careful that these insights do not let me base my actions on what I think will happen.  I just think that even as a child I have just been blessed/cursed with keen skills of observation and an inborn understanding of human nature.  I can't take credit for what has always been a skill although I have nurtured this skill.  Nursing was the perfect career for someone like me.  I chose to "birth babies" since 98% of the time the outcome I could sense was a happy one.  I remember telling my dad things and his reaction was one of anger because I think this ability can scare some people.  It is not supernatural I just think I am over sensitive to the reality of facial expressions, posture and by education learning how a process works such as labor so my so called witchy ability is easily explained by very natural well developed skills of observation.  thank you for your rresponse.

11/ 5/10 4:26pm

This is really fascinating to me...I think you are right...this "power" can be frightening to some.  For me...I honed this skill at an early age because I had to read others for my own self preservation.  It is a great skill to have but it can make you feel...different. 

 

I am really glad to hear that others have this ability as well and...I am curious how you cope with it.

 

Thanks so much for sharing.

Anonymous
Breanna
11/ 7/10 7:49am

I have always felt different but I must have enough of an ego to also feel special.  I too developed this skill very early and like you self preservation was at the root of it.  My father was a border-line bi'polar (mannic depressive) and I learned very quickly from it seems even before I actually formed memories to read his facial expression so I could know how to behave - hide or welcoming.  I just natually transferred this learned skill to everyone around me.  I am careful to keep sometings to myself because of the fear factor in others.  Example:  I asked someone what type of cancer someone had.  the response was immediate anger and He doesn't have cancer.  Two weeks later he was dead of cancer.  My youngest child has the same skill set.  As a very young child she would enter a room and say you look like you need a hug - this was prabably as early as age 3.  I think we all have different levels of sensitivity  and some like us have chose to nuture that skill.  Unlike my father, I allowed my daughter to let her skill grow.  I understand why people can fear us, why people with the skill set have been hung as witches.  Blessing or curse - that is the choice we make.  I think this is why I love dogs.  They use this skill all the time and people think itis normal.  I tell my firends I was a dog in my past life,  I am now 62 years old and I am simply considered excentric.  If it weren't for the wrinkles getting older would be great.  Cherish your gift but use it wisely.  No one likes a know it all especially when what you know is the secrets they think they have hidden.

8/29/11 12:11am

I think that sometimes people who are Bi-polar are super sensitive about reading people.  I am a good judge of character. I can see things happening and years later it comes true. I am good at finances and never had a class in it. It is all instinct that I inherited from my Mom. You just sense things good or bad. The problem is if you try to warn someone they do think you are crazy or being negative. It is best to keep some things to ourself and just let others fall off the cliff if that is where they are going.

11/ 4/10 11:28am

I used to wear rose colored glasses. Dump as a coalbucket as they say. A dear friend of mine opened my eyes. I am glad that I look at things in a real mode. Life is life but life can help cushion the blows if you see it coming at you.

11/ 4/10 5:51pm

This is congruent with how I feel too.  I don't need the rose colored glasses...I would rather know the challenges I am up against and the real work involved. 

 

Thank you for sharing your thoughts here.  Hope to hear more from you.

11/ 4/10 11:08pm

I find that looking at life from a depressed, optimistic view or areas in-between are subjective.  I try to look at my life in a balanced point of view.  I'm not depressed or optimistic, but I try to see things and others as they really are without getting too worked up about it.  Most everything will pass in time so let's not get too intense.

11/ 5/10 4:28pm

Hello

 

Yes...it is true...it is hard to put a label on how we perceive things.  To one person we may be realistic...to another we may be perceived as negative.  It is all very subjective.

 

I appreciate your comment.  Hope you keep participating on this site...it makes a difference.

11/ 8/10 12:55am

Hi,

I have been diagnosed as bi-polar and take medication to treat it.  I also see my psychiatrist about once a month to discuss my "issues".  I have not had a depressive or manic state in over three months.  I feel really good about myself lately.  I just turned 60 and my wife has been a very stablizing force in my life. 

I enjoy your site and will contribute when I feel that I can add something.

Anonymous
seehe49
3/16/11 8:04pm

I will say that as a rule I ahve been a pretty optimistic person. That is until my Ides of March last year (2010). My husband called to tell me in spite of his previous year's voluntary salary cut, he was officially laid off. Panic sets in. It is now a week later and he is heading off to clean out his desk at the office, but instead ends up back in the house a few minutes later after receiving a call that his mother died. Grief overrides panic. No sooner than a week later, my sister calls crying that her husband, my brother in law, died. Now enough is enough, but within two weeks after that my dearly beloved family dog of 13 years becomes very ill and is diagnosed with  severe advanced bladder cancer and I hold him while he is put to sleep. At this point I am almost comatose, but jump on the joy wagon by getting a new puppy within a few days who I show to my friend and next door neighbor who then kills the joy by unexpectantly and shockingly shooting himself in the head the next day. BY the way, my puppy got valley fever, but he is managing to live anyway. So, now I am wondering, is optimisim distorted thinking or is depressive thinking? So do I say now, don't worry, things will get better, or hide for cover? Well I think the truth is no matter what the situation is in your life, "this too shall pass", good and bad, so roll with the tide.....

5/12/11 1:22pm

Madame, you are not alone in feeling overwhelmed by the perceived ironic succession of the disturbingly sad state of worldly circumstances which seem to assault empathetic, perceptive people, often labeled as depressed. We feel helpless surrounded by it all. We are the people who truly care, too much. At times like this I can only seek Godly wisdom and  the spiritual surety that he has it all under control.

I can wish I did not hurt for the people around me that are hurting or I can get in touch with the spiritually healing presence of the Lord of my life, Jesus Christ. I am not opposed to other messages from a multitude of spiritual sources. Example: "That is the fundamental question:- Are you in harmony with God? If you are – you are happy. 

Recently I quoted on my FB page:“Struggle is the meaning of life; defeat or victory is in the hands of God. But struggle itself is man’s duty and should be his joy.” [4] 

All of the advice quoted here was given to Ismaili Muslims from their spiritual leader, the late Aga Khan III and [4] was applauded by my Christian friends on FB. (If they only knew!)

I would like to add here in addition the quote that prefaced the above mentioned which has comforted me immensely:

 

“I should have a word to say to those who deem themselves unfortunate from a worldly point of view. I should say to them, ‘Do not look up and lament that you are not as well off as those above you. Look down and congratulate yourself that you are better off than those below you’. To a man who looks with such eyes upon the world, it is not a prison but a garden. A marvelous garden – the garden of the Lord.” [3] The analogy another way: glass empty/full = life  prison / garden?

I am sensitive going beyond intuitive and I understand that you feel the pain of others. I would suggest an exercise of stepping out of yourself an trying to look at all circumstances impersonally, for you and I this is a very difficult thing to do. With practice, we can obtain a level of less pain which brings less confusion. With continued concentration, we can bring ourselves into the garden. God wants us to be able to function and serve others as in the Golden Rule. Happiness is obtainable for us, we must concentrate moment by moment because of our sensitive natures. Do not be overwhelmed, paraphrased from the Bible "All things work to the good of those who love the Lord."

My psych says all he hears is negative, so I sought out a therapist to work on positive lifestyle changes. I am doing the work. I resonated with the person who saw themselves as a seeker of truth. I must try not to dwell on such negative worldly truths.
Like you I want to be happy, so I must do the work and get involved in life, concentrating on my life and not others lives, as I tend to do in my codependency. Get outside and enjoy Nature. Enjoy what you are doing, even if it hurts. Count your blessings. Listen to Music. Do artwork. Read poetry. Live life.
"Happiness is never a negative affair; it is to be won by men who are fully alive, full of the joy of living" - Aga Khan III.                     Be One and Harmonious with God
Joy
8/22/11 3:30pm

I am very sorry to hear about your troubles. It is very sad about your neighbor, but that was his decision, it has no reflection on you. Everybody has and reacts to their own lives and challanges.

 I have had years like that and they can be horrid. The best I can do is just keep going. If you deal with each challenge as it comes at you, then you come through stronger and more experienced.   

I have comparision shopped for cremation and arranged services -  did I want to? No. Did I do it because it needed to be done? yes. Was it creepy and ghoulish feeling? absolutly.

So far I have learned to fix the distributer in my old cranky car with a nail file, reflow a solinoid that was crammed under the dash, tie up a muffler with wire and muffler plaster, the list goes on. People ask how I learned to do that, well if you really need the car you figure it out.

I guess I would be in the "if life gives you lemons make lemonade" combined with a long family history of depression. I have my grandmother's framed copy of the serenity prayer hanging in my living room and refer to it often. Hope this helps and that everything starts getting better soon.

Lexi

 

3/31/11 9:37am

It is comforting to know that someone has finally interpreted the way I think and feel...to a tee! Thank you.

Yes, some of us are truth seekers.

6/23/11 7:51pm

Hi there

 

I am glad I wrote this post as it has resonated with so many people.  I thought I was alone in this.  Turns out...many of us feel the same way. 

 

Thanks so much for your comment.

4/ 8/11 2:53pm

I am sick of being accused of seeing the glass half empty or and the need of seeing the glass half full.  Positive outlook verse negative outlook, who cares!  My Dad had a saying when someone would give him this rot.  "  I don't care," he say, "is the glass half empty or half full."  He would say. "It's what did you do with the water that counts."  Other words what does one do based on an outlook, the actions count not the words.  If one tries to committ suicide, or lock one's self into a room and never come out that is one thing.  But looking at life and all its hardships, heart aches and pain is realistic and continuing in spite of the tears is what I have had to do for years.  Yes I have sat in many a therapist's office and took many a pill to "make things better."  In the long run, the therapist usually wound up agreeing that my situation was not a positive one and that there were alot of time I wanted to cry but because of some positive ideology preaching idiot I did not.   I know what is gong on in my life, it hurts, I cry and I feel. 

6/23/11 7:54pm

Oh...this was so beautifully written.

 

Yes absolutely...you do feel and this is a good thing.

 

I really hope you continue to share your experience here.  There are so many people who can relate to what you are saying. 

 

Thank you for your comment. 

Anonymous
WOW
4/25/11 4:29pm

OMG, I cannot believe how accurately this describes me.  Went through therapy for a while, take meds.  I do have an amazing ability to observe body language, expressions, etc to determine if a person is a fake or not.  In the past I've felt like certain people wouldn't work out at our office, and they didn't.  It's wierd, nothing I want to bet on, but can cause me to be a bit distrustful of others.

6/23/11 7:58pm

Hey there

 

I have been writing a series of posts recently about sensitivity that you may find interesting.  One of the issues for so many of us is trust.  Our gift of sensitivity  sometimes comes at a cost.  The key is to keep our ability to use our gut instincts and intuition but not suffer for it.

 

I really appreciate your comment.  Please keep sharing. 

Anonymous
GypsyJive
5/14/11 4:21pm

Mz Merely Me,

    Your article gobsmacked my subconscious. Pondering it, an ephiphany did cometh: You've got great material for a TV series. A bit of dark comedy! 

 

Waiting to tune in:)

Maurie

6/23/11 8:01pm

Wow...I have never gobsmacked anyone's consciousness before!  Smile

 

I will take this as a compliment. 

 

Life is a comedy in many ways.  Better to laugh than to cry about it.

 

Thanks so much for your comment.  Please feel free to write a sharepost to share your experiences.

Anonymous
Just passing by
6/15/11 5:06pm

I saw the title of the article, and knew immediately that "I resemble that remark". Overall, I wouldn't have it any other way. Ignorance is bliss? not in my book. While being an outward realist, I'm also an internal realist--I want to know myself thoroughly, in and out; knowing and acknowleging my true motives for doing things helps me keep my foot out of my mouth, if nothing else.

 

As a hypervigilent person (childhood trauma) working in an office that is highly prone to finger pointing, this is my biggest defense. People that wish to harm you by throwing your faults in your face are left with no ammo. If there is an issue at work, I own up to whatever mistake I made. The beneficial side of that coin is this: if I am open to admitting that I am part of the problem, then I have the comfort of knowing that I do have some ability to change the situation.

 

Optimists (tend to) insist that it will all work out, no matter what. But that's a c**pshoot; they end up disappointed and wondering why if the outcome is less than positive.

 

Pessimists (tend to) see everything as doomed, because it's easier than having hope and getting shot down.

 

What is being discussed here is much healthier, in my opinion. Because you're making "an informed decision" about the outcome, as it were. That's not to say that life still won't shock and disappoint you, but you don't get surprised as easily.

 

Being a realist helps me to keep my depression in check.

 

6/23/11 8:06pm

Right on!

 

Yes...couldn't have said it better. You give excellent advice. 

 

I think my desire to be a realist came from living with my mother who had paranoid schizophrenia.  Knowing what was real became critical for my survival.  I don't want the rose colored glasses and neither do I want the sh** colored glasses.  I just want to see what is so I can deal with it and move on. 

 

Please feel free to write more on this site.  I am sure our other members would love to hear about your experiences and how you keep your depression at bay. 

 

Thanks so much for your comment.  You are a pleasure to read.

6/19/11 8:27am

As someone who has been depressed more often than not, I have always felt that my so called "negative" views were actually realistic assessments.  It is nice to find that I am not the only one with this view. Thanks for the validation.

6/23/11 8:10pm

You are very welcome.

 

I think it is the trend nowadays to pathologize all perceptions that are not extreme...not glowingly rosey and not gloom and doom.  Real life is somewhere in between the extremes.  There are many shades of grey so to speak.

 

I thank you for your comment.  I hope to see more of you on the site. 

6/19/11 7:30pm

For my entire life, I have been depressed. I am always sure that things will turn out badly. I take no risks. I tend to downplay all of the wonderful things about my life, and dwell on the negative. I am sensitive to the vibes given off by others, and I am sure that nobody likes me (except my husband.)

Once, I went to a Cognitive Behavioral Therapy class, and the teacher was standing at the front of the class, saying, "Whenever you start to think that you are a loser, you just have to tell yourself that you are not a loser!" And I thought to myself, "Are you telling me that nobody in this room is a loser?" Because it is obvious that some people actually ARE losers, no matter what the CBT teacher says. It is quite unrealistic to say that NO ONE is a loser.

So yes, I would say that I am a depressive realist. I am being realistic when I say that I really am a loser. Should I try to pretend something different? Would that cure me of my depression?

6/23/11 8:20pm

Hi there

 

The teacher actually said that?  I think it is yet another instance of positivity pushers trying to fill us with cliches as some magic cure.  Your comment has inspired me...I am probably going to write a post on the fact that...everyone is a loser.  We are all losers at some point in our life...meaning...we are human...we fail sometimes.  And that is okay.  It is how we learn and grow. 

 

I do think that sometimes we fall into some disorted thinking when depressed...there is no denying this.  But there is this tendency to pathologize everyone who isn't wearing rose colored glasses.  Maybe some of us are simply seeing things for what they are.  Sometimes we get sad, we grieve, we get upset over aspects of our life...and this is normal. 

 

Thank you so much for your comment.  I hope to hear more about your experiences.

6/22/11 6:36am

Loved the article! Will be sending a link to a therapist I had the pleasure of working with during clinical rotations. She was one of those overly rosey types with a distorted view of reality. This  "therapist" is as effective in treating depressed patients as a parrot with a pencil, but found her to be one of the majority (very scary) giving this rosey advice to patients who trust them.

Here are the stats....

Pregnant girl 15, 70 lbs over weight, 3 antidepressants bid, parents addicts, 3 siblings (youngest 4).

Boyfriend 39, married,educated (cop), layed off (administrative leave for 4 counts of inapproperate behavior), three kids, agressive, angry wife aged 24 who blames the 15 year old for ruining her family life and hit girl with brick causing head injury requiring 21 stitches! No charges filed as no one can prove or saw "who" threw the brick through the picture window (cop talk for good luck with that!).

Advice from therapist: "you must continue to to seek a positive relationship with this woman in order to maintain a stable relationship with your childs father for the sake of your daughter", (5 months)!

I wonder if another brick would help the therapist see reality?

Open for discussion. I think this author needs to set up a clinic!

6/23/11 8:34pm

A "parrot with a pencil"...LOL

 

Well...yeah a brick to the head is pretty serious business. 

 

I have always admired therapists who didn't pull any punches and were straight up and clear about things.  They can be hard to find. 

 

I worked with one really good therapist when I was training during an internship with people having both addictions and mental illness.  There were some folk dealing with some pretty hardcore issues.  One woman was living in a crack house and prostituting herself for drug money.  She had kids...they were taken away from her.  She would come to group sessions crying and talking about wanting her kids back.  The therapist got tired of her crying week after week and not doing anything to help herself so in the midst of another crying episode this therapist stops the woman and says, "You can't cry here any more.  We don't want to hear any more until you tell us one thing you have done this week to help yourself."  It was bold...and the room grew quiet.  But the woman stopped crying.  It was...necessary. 

 

Thanks so much for your comment.  I do hope you come back to share more of your experiences.  Are you a therapist by chance?

 

 

6/22/11 12:52pm

I read a quote somewhere.  Don't know who it was by, and I cannot even find it anymore.

 

"Optimists see the world as it should be.  Realists see the world as it is.  Pessimists see both."

 

Which would seem to work well.  There's another quote "90% of everything is crap", which applies to those groups as well; a large amount of optimists are bubbly people who think that everyone is good by nature.  A large amount of realists are content with the world, if not happy, and utilize it to get ahead in life.  And a large amount of pessimists are just depressed and use pessimism to justify their view point.  I'd like to think that I'm part of the smaller group, though simple fact that I'm not depressed.  I think the difference between myself and other pessimists is that I am attempting to make my viewpoint unnecessary; I see the world and its pieces as they are, I see how they should be, and I seek to bring the former to the latter.  Piece by piece.  And I think that, over time, this can make pessimism unnecessary; during my lifetime?  No.  During the lifetime of my great great grandchildren?  No.  Even in time?  No.  But I can fix some things.  Perhaps not even many things; but I can fix some of them. 

6/23/11 7:41pm

Hi there

 

I like what you say here.  What would you like to fix if you could?  I am very interested to hear more.  Please feel free to write a sharepost about your experience.  I think a lot of our members would like to read your words.

 

Thank you so much for your comment.

Anonymous
SunnyeS
6/23/11 5:36am

It is the depressive realists who are often the advocate for change in society. Being a Polly Anna can really blind a person from reality.  I have been accused of being negative, but I know what I know and what I sense to be be wrong and right.

6/23/11 7:30pm

Hi there

 

I believe what you are saying can be true in a lot of cases.  You are not a pessimist if you simply see things as they really are.  Reality just might not be palatable to a lot of folk so we may be accused of being "negative."  It is true also, however, that one can have distorted thinking when depressed so we need to be aware of this.  But I don't think one has to be always positive as some end all goal.  It seems the societal norm nowadays to force feed us positivity as a cure for everything until we become delusional.  I for one...don't want to be delusional.  I want to live in the real world.

 

Great comment!  I hope you come back and read more of my posts.  How did so many of you find this post?  I am very curious.

 

 

6/23/11 8:43am

I've been saying for years that people should never confuse "Pessimism with Realism".

 

Peter

6/23/11 7:14pm

 

Great point!

 

Thanks so much for your comment Peter.

6/23/11 1:57pm

Merely Me... I may just use your line "keep your glass I don't want it" next time a friend tells me to not look at something as "glass half empty". I may just have to refer them to this article as well, because I go round and round with my friends about being a negative person. Truth is I am depressed and anxious but most importantly I am a realist. When I see the bad I point it out, but I don't fail to point out the good either.

To the cheery ones in my life I sound pessimistic so I tell them that I find its better the lean more on the down side of things as to not get disappointed because too many times in life someone gets their hopes up then gets crushed. Is that so bad to think in realistic terms about the odds of events? I think not, but thats just my opinion.

I also can't be that pessimistic when I know all the right things to say and do to cheer up a friend. Harsh truths, comforting words, bleak realities, and positive notes all rolled into a feel better speech is what they come for and get, maybe I am not so negative to them after all. But to each his own.

6/23/11 7:13pm

Hey there

 

I like this!  I have been described as Eeyore too at times.  Everyone has a unique perspective...colored by so many things...our past...our current stressors...our hopes and dreams....and also our challenges.  Maybe the whole world is like an impressionist painting.  Who is to say which perception is the most accurate. 

 

In the past few weeks this post is really getting the comments.  I am wondering how you all have found this post. 

 

Thanks so much for your comment!

6/23/11 5:00pm

I have several friends who have been seriously depressed.  There is a constant: If I thought the UNCONSTRUCTIVE thoughts they thought, I would be depressed.  Plus, they generally feel unloved. 

Reality and depression vs. optimism are two different concepts.  I will die some day.  I have problems just like everyone else.  But it is a matter of how I PROCESS those problems--as horrible hurdles I must sit and obsess over or as challenges I must ignore or overcome.

 

Are some depressed people world-shakers, motivated by pain?  Yes. But more are demotivated due to pain.  But since you don't NEED to be depressed to be a world-changer, then why be?

The realistically optimistic, action-oriented constructive thinker who has learned a healthy dose of acceptance of what they cannot change will do best.  A pessimist will not roll the dice because they may roll a 1.  The optimist will roll till they get a 6.

There are better ways than unhappiness, and I am much more of a doer the happier I get.  Please, do not justify unhappiness, instead become constructively happy.  Change what you cannot accept, and accept what you cannot change.  Love yourself and form meaningful connections with others and humanity.  It is largely that simple.

There are two sides of the coin of life, heads and tails.  I know tails exists, and plan for it to happen.  But I spend my time on the heads side--because I can only be on one side at a time.  And when pain occurs, it is a signal I need to do something to address the cause of the pain.

It is good that people have different outlooks on life, so we make the right choices balancing opportunity and risk. But we don't NEED to be unhappy to do so.  Please don't justify putting your hand on the stove because reality is there is a hot flame--just take your hand off.

6/23/11 5:43pm

Hi Kevin

 

You say a lot of really helpful things in your comment.  I have always loved the serenity prayer...because it does allow you to let go over those things you don't have any control over.  But it also encourages you to act...and change the things you can. 

 

I do not personally believe that you have to be unhappy or depressed to be a realist.  But I do think that many people who are depressed get told that we are distorted in our thinking...when maybe this is not so true all the time. 

 

You can't be a doer all of the time.  It isn't possible.  There are some things you cannot work your way out of...like for example...I cannot constructively work my way into not having Multiple Sclerosis.  So these are things we have to learn how to manage and cope with...and accept. 

 

There are times in the course of depression where the individual affected is not ready to "do" and needs to process their feelings before they choose a appropriate course of action. These thoughts and feelings are very real to the sufferer and the more someone tries to tell them to "buck up and be positive" or "do something constructive" the more that person may feel like..."you are not listening to me."  It isn't healthy to stay in that state forever...of emoting and not doing.  But it never helps to shove someone towards action when the timing is wrong. 

 

I especially like what you say about depression telling you something.  Emotional pain may be a signal that something in your life needs to change.  In fact one of our writers, Jerry Kennard, just wrote a post you may want to read on this topic.

 

Great points and I look forward to hearing more from you. 

 

 

6/24/11 4:04am

No, you don't have to be unhappy or depressed to be a realist but if you are a realist you'll be unhappy, depressed, possess genetic immunity to depression or whatever you're on is working for you.

 

"Depression telling you something" suggests it's a "symptom"; it isn't.

 

That song..."put up a parking lot" is "Big Yellow Taxi" by Joni Mitchell.

6/24/11 7:32am

Do you really think that being a realist means you will be unhappy?  I'm not sure what your post is saying.  Is being a pragmatist along the same lines as being a realist to you, or do you think that's something entirely different?

 

I like Joni Mitchell...especially "Harry's House/Centerpiece."  I'm listening to it right now!

6/24/11 2:24pm

I think it's possible a person may have a genetic immunity to "unhappiness" and be a "realist" but, in general, the majority of "realists" are likely to be unhappy.

 

Being a pragmatist is "along the same lines" as being a realist but not synonymous.

Anonymous
S
6/24/11 6:07pm

Thank you for this information.  Very validating!  If you sense that there is a shark in the water, sometimes best just to sit on the shore for a while.

6/24/11 10:51pm

You are welcome!

 

Great analogy.

 

I am so surprised at how many people could relate to this article.  It has been a real eye opener for me. 

 

Thanks so much for your comment.

Anonymous
Nik Nikkel
6/24/11 7:04pm

I don't know that I have ever thought of myself as depressed.  I have often found myself unhappy, but I could see the circumstantial triggers and even feel that my sadness was a somewhat chosen reaction. 

I am constantly annoyed by the idiot cheerfulness that refuses to realize, for example, that when management starts denying plans for layoffs that many of us will not be here in six months.  I have never been wrong about that.  That is because my greatest creative and professional strength is analysis and recognizing important details.

Having illusions may make us happy for a while.  i have certainly had and cherished some of them from time to time, but they handicap us in planning and finding an acceptible future.

How could anything else, but optimistic illusions on the part of bankers (the few who were not in on the con), mortgage brokers, housing developers, housings speculators and dreamy eyed have cause the financial melt down that is destroying us?

Let's hear it for looking at the glass carefully and deciding we are going to need some more ice tea soon.

6/24/11 10:54pm

Love ice tea...especially sweet tea.  Smile

 

I think that illusions are sometimes necessary to get through some tough times but there are other times that they do us in and prevent us from taking action or protecting ourselves.  It is definitely a delicate balance.

 

I really appreciate your comment.  How are you guys finding this post?  I am very curious. The feedback has been great.  Such in depth comments...I love it!

Anonymous
Capitan
6/27/11 2:39pm

As I have grown older, my view of reality grew more negative, and my personal outlook more depressed.  I have been trying to figure out how to have a more positive outlook while not deluding myself. 

7/ 6/11 5:25pm

Hi there

 

I think it is possible to have a healthy balance if you will.  Sometimes life is not always "positive" and...no amount of words will change this.  But we can focus on certain things...so we don't feel trapped. 

 

I guess it would help if you would give an example from your life...something where you wish to have a different perspective.  Please share!  We are listening.

Anonymous
CG
6/29/11 4:22pm

Yes, I say it all the time, that non-depressed people are just "Brainwashed" to believe everything is fine.

7/ 6/11 5:30pm

Well...sometimes it is just fine.  But sometimes it isn't.  Life is inherently unfair and cruel at times.  We all do what we have to do to get through the day.  One person's coping mechanism is another person's delusion. 

 

Thanks so much for your comment.

6/30/11 11:52am

This article has seriously changed my life. I have been looked down upon my whole life for being so "negative" and "depressing". I never thought I was any of the things I was labeled as. I am thrilled to see there are others out there who understand me and understand we aren't as bad as people portray us. I used to hide who I was but now I want to share with the world, "I AM REALISTIC AND I WOULDN'T WANT IT ANY OTHER WAY."

7/ 6/11 5:33pm

Now this is a revelation!

 

I am so glad this article has helped you.  Absolutely...don't look down on yourself.  Everyone has a unique perspective in life.  Who is to say which perspective is the "right" one.  I simply got sick of how our society pathologizes everything which is not happy happy joy joy.  Some of us have to live in the real world. 

 

Thanks so much for sharing. 

7/ 1/11 9:18am

An optimist expects the best possible result from a situation, a pessimist expects the worst possible result, and a cynic is a pessimist who has been confirmed correct more often than not.  How is it that a Polyanna is healthy, but a cynic is not?

7/ 6/11 5:34pm

Right...I am totally with you on this one.

 

I really had no idea so many people would relate to this post.  Thanks so much for your feedback.

7/ 3/11 5:09pm

Without getting into any details...no way is this true for all people whom are "depressed". No...way. :)

7/ 6/11 5:35pm

No way is what all true? 

 

Tell us more. 

 

Thanks for your comment.

Anonymous
Not a Loony
7/ 3/11 11:29pm

Thank you for this article and everyone's comments. I am currently in counseling for marriage problems and depression; I was told I was ''being unrealistic" in my thinking even though my thinking has everything to do with pulling life back together and being positive about the goals set. I love being happy, but I see things for what they are. Some see me as arrogant, others depressed, and still others find me cheerful. I guess it depends on your outlook. 

 

All I can say is I am very glad to hear I am not the only one like this and the next time our counselor says I am being unrealistic in my thinking when I am not, I will have something more to say. ;-)

7/ 6/11 5:28pm

Definitely!

 

Everyone is entitled to their unique perspective on the world and especially how we view our life.  Who is to say which perspective is better?  I guess I just got sick of how everything is pathologized in our society to the point where we are supposed to conform to this perky pollyanna personality.  And some of us just...don't want to be that.  We can't. 

 

Let us know how things go for you.  I appreciate your comment immensely.

7/ 5/11 11:43pm

You are absolutely right in everything you said. I have suffered from depression ever since I hit my twenties. I had a death in the family and faced mortality for the first time. Since then, I dwell on the harsh reality of things. I am very aware, I guess, is a good term to use. I know exactly how someone feels about me, no matter how subtle they try to be. I have also noticed the way those who tell me I need to "cheer up" are mostly delusional. The cheerier friends I do have that I don't consider delusional always muster up advice like, "just don't think about it that way". They agree that I am right, but they cope by blocking it out of their mind. So maybe I could overcome depression by simply disregarding reality.... But do I want to? Thank you for this piece. I enjoyed it.

7/ 6/11 5:22pm

Thanks...

 

Yeah it is hard for people on the outside looking in to...understand where we are coming from.  Maybe sometimes it is all a matter of perspective and what we choose to focus upon.  But I am like you...I don't want to be "positive" if it means being delusional.  I like to know what I am dealing with in life head on.

 

I appreciate your comment...thank you.

Anonymous
Maggie M.
7/ 6/11 4:16am

I agree with everything in this article. It feels like someone else is reading the same damn book I've been reading my whole life. But I feel like the article trails off to nothing (ends), rather than furthering the conversation/topic by offering new ideas/perspectives, or leads. It's like, "yeah, I agree; so.......what?"

Anonymous
Maggie M.
7/ 6/11 4:18am

I agree with everything in this article. It feels like someone else is reading the same damn book I've been reading my whole life. But I feel like the article trails off to nothing (ends), rather than furthering the conversation/topic by offering new ideas/perspectives, or leads. It's like, "yeah, I agree; so.......what?"

7/ 6/11 5:20pm

Hello Maggie

 

Well what would you like to add from your own experience?  Do you have something to offer to extend the conversation?

 

It is impossible to cover a topic in one post that is for sure.  I did write a follow up post to further define the terms of "optimism" and "depressive realism."

 

You may also be interested in a series of posts I wrote about sensitivity as it relates to depression.  I do think some of us who identify with being realists are also highly sensitive.  I offer: Coping Strategies for People who are Highly Sensitive.  Let me know what sort of information, resources, or support you are looking for and I would be most happy to assist.

 

Thanks so much for your comment.

7/ 7/11 12:03am

I enjoyed reading MM's article and for me she put things into perspective in a few areas:.

1. I have also noticed that at times I saw in advance the potential of negative outcomes that actually happened and that others with more intelligence than I  didnt see. I didnt understand why this was happening but because of her article I now do.

2. I have often been surprised at how blind cheery (and even very intelligent) people are to possible negative outcomes that I think are very likely. This always shocked me but now i understand.

3. It seems that overly cheery people have distorted thoughts as well and those can hinder their ability to be productive as much as those with distorted thoughts that are negative.

These cheery people expose themselves to needless risk because they wont see the high risk in certain situations. I would imagine that being overly cheerful can have an extra benefit in that that they do more because they don't think/worry they will fail.

 

4. So now I understand that the key to healthy thinking is thinking  that is based on healthy and realistic thoughts.

7/ 7/11 5:00pm

Hello AK

 

I am glad my article was helpful to you.

 

It is my personal belief that we all have our personal perspectives on things and who is to say which perspective is right?  I do think there can be a healthy balance in between extreme optimism and extreme pessimism.  I still struggle with seeking this balance myself. 

 

Thanks so much for your comment.  Please do continue to share on the site. 

7/12/11 2:42pm

In management positions with several companies I've found that my affinity for worry makes me sought after for troubleshooting in advance and spotting pitfalls. It has run from equipment logisitcs to political strategies. As others ready their plans, I might look at how well they coordinate and spitball possible responses to a planned action.

 

Maybe depression paints the world as a troubled place or maybe I try to avoid depression by avoiding trouble. Either way, I've got  what one boss valued as "a finely tuned sense of paranoia." Moreover, since I'm not likely to be made absent-minded by giddiness while planning a party, it's good that somebody will remember to get ice.

7/14/11 5:14pm

Very good points!

 

Yes indeed...someone has to remember the ice. 

 

I am glad that your super sense has helped you with your career.  It can be a true gift.  I like to look at it that way. 

 

I for one...would rather have ice than go to a party. 

 

Thank you so much for your comment.  I hope you return to the site to share more of your thoughts and experiences. 

7/13/11 12:53pm

I completely agree with the author of this article and with many of the comments. I too, have always felt like I was being "realistic" about situations...not pessimistic. I always tried to explain that to people. My father is the same way, he says he he holds a "realistic" point of view to all situations and "expects/prepares for the worse, prays for the best" because as Murphy's law tells us "Anything that can go wrong, will go wrong". That's not being negative, that's being realistic so you are prepared for ALL outcomes. I'm unsure if people who always see things through rose colored glasses are "happier"...to me they seem delusional! ha.

7/14/11 5:11pm

Oh definitely...things can go wrong.  Things can go wrong in ways you never imagine.  And you really can't be prepared for all the possibilities.  On the other hand sometimes things go right and we are shocked about that too. 

 

I do prefer to be a realist and see things and situations for what they are...sugar coating doesn't work for me.  But neither do I want to live in fear of the world as this horrible place.  It is very difficult to see things without judgment.  We do tend to rubber stamp everything with our emotions or expectations. 

 

Life is seldom how we want it to be.  Life....just is.  And we are left to figure out how to cope with what is. 

 

It is a difficult job but someone has to do it.  lol

 

Thanks so much for your comment.  I hope you read more of the articles on this site and that you will share more of your thoughts and ideas with us.

Anonymous
Neither
7/13/11 1:04pm

Nice to hear this article. I always knew overly cheerful people had a problem. Now I know, they are simply Delusional. Makes total sense. Happy people never seemed to live in the real world to me, now I know it is true.

7/14/11 5:06pm

Let's just say we all have our delusions no matter who we are or if we are happy or depressed.  But I do think some people are needlessly pathologized for not having the "right" delusions. 

 

Thanks so much for your comment.

7/14/11 9:47pm

I used to be bed ridden from depression, not wanting to even get up, even though a great life was before me. I don't know how many people have been that low, but when you can't even think of a reason to lift you head off your pillow, well life is miserable. Now I live a life free from deep depression, and it isn't from living in a fake delusional world where life is always a happy place. I came to accept reality as it is, filled with wonderful things, and some horrible things. I just choose to not let my mind live in the horrible anymore. There was always good around me, wonderful around me, but I used to focus, meditate and dwell on all that was wrong in my life and the world. It was a terrible existence to see only despair.  Now I choose to see the wonderful around me, and it is great to be alive. But I never will accept some fanciful world of nirvana where everything and everyday is only smiles.  Your article obviously struck me because occasionally I run into these mindless souls who think everyday has to be filled with smiles and joy at every turn. In the real world life has its ups and downs, life brings great days and sad days, it is filled with good things and bad things. To not see life as it is in reality is just as sad as seeing it as only a depressive existence. My depression days are gone but not at the expense of denying reality. I live in the real world, and am loving life as it is.

 

Anonymous
Causabon
7/13/11 6:45pm

"Normally," I never find is necessary to add to these things, yet today, after a particularly frustrating day dealing with customer obstruction (the IT help desk) and predicting the exact frustrating outcome for a huge client meeting, I feel as if the mistro of the orchastra finally said it was alright not to be the 1st Chair of Happy, or as those scifi minded, I'm glad I unplugged from those in the clueless Matrix, devoid of self awareness.

 

Life is tough.  Modern life for all its technology is extremely frustrating at times from all the inputs.

 

Yet, as a constant student of people and humanity, I see this "depressive realism" as a better label for the modern condition, really. 

 

Over a decade ago, I had 2 severe depressive episodes and was diagnosed with dysthemia (chronic low level depression), yet now the label does not fit nor have I had another depressive episode even after going through many major life changes in a short time frame.  Essentially, I went from Eore/Piglet to Pooh/Owl - I am happy with who I am, but I will call it as I see it to predict outcomes. 

 

Great article, but I'd even go one step further.  Now, I'm not a Depressive Realist but an Optimist Realist - not afraid of the negative outcomes but rather know eventually much of it isn't worth worrying about so enjoy the life we have. 

 

Happiness lerks in stolen moments while waiting.

 

 

7/14/11 5:00pm

Love your last line...that is great.

 

I am sure others here would be very interested in how you have become an optimistic realist.  Or is that a realistic optimist?

 

Glad you found the post and could relate to it.  Thank you so much for sharing here.

7/29/11 10:18am

I am a 62 year old woman, a well-educated  professional (Psych/Soc/Human Development) and am so thankful to read this article. 

 

Years ago there was a TV series starring  Candice Bergen as "Murphy Brown."  When that show caught on, it didn't take long before I was told I have "Murphy Brown Syndrome."  I've always been a "BOTTOM LINE" kind of person...able to cut to the end result and see, what to me, is so obvious yet others don't want to face it.   Not just the outcomes but the bumps, bruises and other potential negatives along the way.

 

Others like me see the forest, the trees, the mites in the moss, the molecules in the atmosphere and  nearly every speck in between.  I've been told I see the hole in the moon while others see the crescent.  Great sense of humor, love to have fun, be silly and play.  Not wired to be spontaneous, so I always take time to make sure I'm not saying "No thank you" just because I didn't expect it.

 

Yet, I don't have great dread for the world, I am very hopeful and try to be optimistic for others - I don't sit and tell them everything I see that might not be positive outcomes in their lives (even if they ask , I've learned to couch it all in ways that they can "swallow" without choking.) I learned that many can't tolerate hearing the realism. I've found that a lot of the sunshiny folks don't WANT to hear the real deal... or have strong coping mechanisms to push it away - denial is one!

 

Adept in all the ways mentioned in this article - reading people, figuring out what is coming isn't good, seeing the negatives well before others - and some never see them coming at ALL! I used to describe myself by saying I'm either a pessimistic realist or a realistic pessimist.  I am not so sure the "new" label is a positive one. 

 

Depressive has a bad connotation - but it's an improvement over "being a downer, a negative thinker, a pessimist, too cognitive, hard-hearted." 

 

I feel emotions intensely. Yet I am analytical and stay mostly "cognitive" in my processing.  I happen to be an introvert, but it doesn't show out in the world...I just don't bubble and I don't get off on big parties where I know NO ONE! 

 

I am happily in love, with a fine family. I learned to function in society in ways that helped my career, my social relationships.  Often that means keeping those blatantly obvious opinions to myself.  That's OK.  The world doesn't necesarily  appreciate hearing such things even if they NEED to, sometimes.

 

It isn't fun being this type of person and I KNOW I came wired this way.  I accept who I am now, but I had a bumpy road to peace - learned when to speak and how to speak up.  Helped my friends understand me - and learned to make a lot of lemonade even if I don't have quite enough sugar to make it "sweet" enough to please everyone. 

 

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU.

7/13/11 11:08pm

But reality can be oh so depressing!

I could totally relate to this article.  I've always thought

that perpetually "happy" people were just shallow thinkers,

and wished sometimes I could be that shallow.

It's like swimming,  these delusionally happy people are

surface swimmers.  People like me have dived down aways

and can see there are sharks on the bottom.  Now that

we know there are sharks there, how can we NOT think

about that??  No matter how much Cognitive Therapy

or Prozac we take, those sharks are still there.  What

we really need is a memory wipe.  Yes I would say that

I fit into the category of Realistic.

7/14/11 4:52pm

Hi Wylee

 

This is an interesting analogy.  It is true.  There are sharks.  There are jellyfish that sting.  There are riptides.  But there is also the beauty of the ocean, the dependability of the waves, the warmth of the sun.  Reality does include more than sharks.  It is good to see them...be aware....but also be able to see the other things in life as well. 

 

Just curious since you gave such a marvelous visual image...what do the sharks represent in your life?

 

Thank you so much for your comment.  Please continue to visit the site and I would love if you would share your experiences.

Anonymous
Wylee
6/ 5/12 1:42pm

OK, think about people on the beach enjoying the sun, the sparkling beautiful ocean, the sand, friends, fun.  then they see sharks.  Do they sit there continuing to enjoy all the good and positive they were previously enjoying, or do they get

out of the water, Fast?  Once you've seen the sharks, you just can't forget about them.  all the good things you can still enjoy, yes, but not at the level you did before.   Ignorance is truly a major element of bliss.

7/15/11 4:04am

Merely Me, I found your article informative and inspiring.  Depressive Realism ... my condition has a term!

 

Southern literature is full of the Little Miss Sunshine personality types that populate most of the comments here ... happy no matter what the truth happens to be. 

They can make for pleasant church potlucks and have seen us through untold war dramas, but when put to the test of real life, blind optimism fails utterly and completely.  When false optimism forgets it is a fiction, a survival tool, and begins to think it's the TRUTH, it becomes dangerous.  That is exactly what is ruining our political system right now, and is greasing the skids to our unraveling as a nation.

 

I grew up detesting this brand of fraudulence, not only because it is patently false, but because it is so aggressively exploited by pathological elements of patriarchy, especially racism, classism and religious fanaticism.  Look on top of the tent where these tribal groups gather and you'll see a flag that says, "Don't Bother Me With The Facts, I've Already Made Up My Mind."  It's called ideology, and it's deadly.

 

Self-deception and delusional thinking (which is what we're really talking about) are not to be tossed onto the heap for a happy-talk re-defining of its threat to cultural survival, not to mention species survival.  This superficial response to global chaos is not something that a Cosmo quiz can address.  To the extent when we don't even know when we're lying to ourselves and others, we're in deep doodoo.

 

Magical thinking is an egoic survival strategy for disarming the conscience and allowing all kinds of behaviors that would otherwise be thwarted by common sense and judicious self-examination.  Thanks to a loss of sacred journalistic standards of truth and proof, the news has been opened to rampant distortion.  As a result, lies and distortions shape public opinion.  We are a mob herded by charlatans, and lack the inner-truth barometer needed to see it, fight it and rise above it.

 

The only time when happy-talk strategies are appropriate is when a tragedy is unfolding, like when the Titanic was sinking or Vesuvius erupted.  At such moments, screw reality and get happy.  Sing "Closer, My God, To Thee," and hold hands.  That's an appropriate use of escapist optimism.  Otherwise, it's a recipe for catastrophe ... personal, social, environmental, cultural, spiritual, and global.

 

Truth Seekers have traveled a lonely path in this endgame.  I thank Merely Me for identifying the 3rd way, a middle path between unfounded optimism and depressive negativity.  Truth may not always be comfortable, but it is a whole lot more reliable than either blind optimism or paranoia.

 

If you aren't yet convinced and are still reading, ask yourself this question:  When your butt is against the wall, which would you rather have at your side ... an angry, flaming opinion or the Truth, the Light, and the Way?  (Hint:  you can't get to the Light and the Way without going through Truth; therefore, if you choose this path, learn to love the Truth as if it were the first approach to God, because it is.)

Anonymous
Dr oral pavlov
7/29/11 11:29am

For the millions of Americans sufering from non-depresion syndrome there is hope. Soon every major drug company will be unleashing dozens of miracle drugs to cure this insidious disease. Now you will no longer feel left out of the endless loop of medicating your perceived symptoms and losing your career, family and money. 

yours in proper mental hygiene,

Dr. Oral Pavlov

Anonymous
Dr oral pavlov
7/29/11 11:29am

For the millions of Americans sufering from non-depresion syndrome there is hope. Soon every major drug company will be unleashing dozens of miracle drugs to cure this insidious disease. Now you will no longer feel left out of the endless loop of medicating your perceived symptoms and losing your career, family and money. 

yours in proper mental hygiene,

Dr. Oral Pavlov

8/24/11 3:55pm

I've always figured that if you're expecting the worst to happen then you are not surprised when it occurs. If, on the other hand, something positive comes about then you are pleasantly surprised.
I have a history of clinical depression but I really do feel that a lot of it is simply observing that life, the universe and everything isn't optimized for our benefit and , more than likely, with a great deal of conflict in opposition to these factors you're going to be more disappointed than pleased.
I've also always despised the cliché "life is what you make it". Of coarse a persons efforts will make a difference in their lives, to some degree, but there are a hell of a lot of other things that you can't do a damn thing about that are going to majorly impact your situation whether you like it or not. Does that make me a Depressive Realist or just a "glass is perpetually empty person"?

9/ 6/11 6:46am

I love the premise of this article -- it certainly makes sense. In fact, I think that someone who has a bunch of problems in their life but isn't at bottom at least a little depressed, is probably not seeing clearly. I'm not saying you have to wallow or be unable to act at all, but come on, if you are losing your job and spouse, your kid's got issues, and your health is terrible, you really should be feeling a little down. It's ok to feel down or even be depressed -- it's a symptom that stuff isn't right!

 

I actually said to my last psychiatrist, "Of course I'm depressed -- I have chronic pain and I lost my job because of it!" And he looked at me funny. I'm still not sure why, but I found another psychiatrist... Cool

Anonymous
HP
9/16/11 11:35am

I have been essentially saying this about myself for YEARS and have been completely poo-poo'd by everyone around me.   I have ALWAYS believed that I have a very realistic view of the world and the people in it, but am always referred to as being so negative.   If only people could see inside my mind and hear my internal thoughts!  They would realize that I really would DEARLY love to see the positive in things!  In fact, when I find GOOD stuff it really EXCITES ME!  However, more often than not I am totally right about that person that I didn't trust from the word go, or that situation that I anticipated to go south in a bad way, or that problem that I thought would not be solved easily.   It's so completely frustrating for me to deal with people who just seem to think that everything is going to somehow WORK OUT.  Problems rarely rectify themselves and people today are really very unpredictable and self absorbed.   I need to see all the angles.   I need to anticipate the possible problems.  I need to be ready so that when something DOES go wrong, I am ready for that!  It's my protection.  It's what might just save me someday from something really awful.   However, my caution, my worries, my warnings, my advice are so often met with a shake of the head and a look of pity.  Why don't they see what I do?   WHY?

Anonymous
gwen
6/ 5/12 1:37pm

We realists have an inborn ability: a higher level of discernment.

Something like how dogs can hear higher pitched sounds than humans.

or maybe, it's like we can see colors, but most other people

are color blind.  We could explain things till the end of time,

but they still wouldn't be able to see the colors we see.  (the realism we see)

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