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Past Trauma & Depression: Thoughts on Cognitive Therapy, Bringing up the Past

By Merely Me Thursday, June 11, 2009

 

Hi all! 

 

My first question is where is everybody?  I guess it is summer and people go away and get out and about which is all good stuff.  Anyways it is always good to hear from our members.  I love it when you guys write shareposts and let us know what is going on in your life.  So give a holler if you are out there. 

 

Okay so it is time for a new question.  My question this week comes from my current experience in therapy.  I have a brand new therapist and he wants to delve all into my past.  And I do want to discuss those things but I am a little afraid to tell you the truth.  It takes a lot out of you to go to places of trauma even if they are just through memories.

 

 

My question for all of you is...do you feel that you can ever put the past behind you?  Can one get closure on past traumas?  What does it mean to be at peace with the past?  Can you ever truly let go?

 

I am very interested in how you all have coped with your past traumas.  When you share your experiences you help others and that is what it is all about.  Thank you to all who participate in these discussions.

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6/11/09 3:47pm

I dont think that you ever get over all the nasty things that happen to you in the past, but I have learned to except them and realise that they have actually made me a better person. They've made me a more anxious person, but I think with my medication and understanding why I overreact to certain situations has helped a lot. Also my daughter is currently going to university and is studying psychology which helps as I have read a lot of her literature and find it very interesting.

 

It's taken me a long time to trust people but I've found out there are a lot of lovely people out there and it's all about learning to understand and help one another because I think most people have problems in their lives some time or other.

6/17/09 5:09pm

Hi Fifi!

 

Yes I tend to agree with you.  Even the bad stuff that has happened in the past to me...I wouldn't be where I am today...or who I am if some things did not happen.  I know I wouldn't be here writing like this. 

 

I am just trying to put all the puzzle pieces together.  It is hard.

 

I am glad that you have joined this site...you have gone out of your way to help and support others.  I thank you for this!

6/17/09 6:05pm

I  really like the way you say that the things that happened in your life have made you a better person. Its so True !  I do wish my childhood had been better, that I had a higher self esteem but like you, I do believe that all my deression and Anxiety has made me more tuned in to the pain of others and made me try and become a better person. That cant be bad !

6/18/09 2:30am

Thanks so much for your reply. you are so right, you definiately feel for others because you know how it feels yourself. If you haven't experience these things then you wouldn't understand as much. It's so nice to think that you might be helping someone else. It's also nice to actually be able to feel that you want to help after thinking you wouldn't be able to feel again. ( Hope you understand what i'm trying to say)

6/11/09 3:56pm

Hi Merely Me and all,   Apart from getting a fairly good idea of where youre coming from [so to speak - childhoodwise etc] Its of no value to you  personally to go and trudge thru and rake-up all that pain again. Thats my personal opinion. Its also the opinion of alot of the newer Therapies as you know.  Its dealing with the Here and Now.

I believe its necessary to go through painful events in our past, but to rehash them for the benefit of another therapist in depth, isnt always in our own interests [again this is my personal opinion].

Cognitive Behavioural Therapy seems to be the most effective along with Medication in dealing with Depressive illness. Coming out of the therapists OFfice  and reliving the emotions whilst trying to get on with life can be extremely painful and not all that productive. 

 

6/17/09 5:14pm

Rose...

 

I would love to hear more about your views.  I just had a therapist who did the Here and Now stuff and...I had to quit.  I found that this type of therapy did not help me.  I now have a therapist who does more of the traditional psychotherapy and we do talk about the past and...for me...this is the right course.  But I will tell you that..I have already wanted to quit because it seems extremely hard.  Yet I am in a place in my life right now where I am not putting out fires constantly of one crisis to the next.  I think I am finally ready to get to the core of things. 

 

I do want to hear from your perspective about the cognitive behavioral type therapies.  I am coming to the conclusion that...absolutely...different treatments help different people. 

 

Whenever you can...tell us more...maybe even write a sharepost.  I am very interested in your experiences.

6/17/09 5:58pm

Hi Merely me, I didnt realise that you hadnt infact been through Therapy where you went into detail about the truama and pain [re your mother R.I.P. etc and your painful childhood]. I do think its necessary to talk it out. However, years ago I did all that, talking to a chair and pretending the chair was my mother. Id come out of the hours therapy a wreck, redeyed,shaking, head pounding with emotion, then a day or two later when there would be no therapist around, the Depression would come. From all I read, its would seem that its necessary to go through a certain amount, but, at the end of the day, recovery lies in trying to UNDERSTAND where our parent/spouse or whoever was hurtful, abusive to us was coming from... healing comes with Forgiveness. Thats a tough one Merely me, one I grapple with constantly !  I believe the Cognitive is good coz its not so painful and god knows youve [weve all] been through enough pain to sink another Titanic!! It gets us to change the scripts that have been implanted in our brains, the thoughts that effect our moods. So in Cognitive therapy, you slowly [u need to really work on it] start to change the way u think about yourself, to question longheld inbuilt belief systems. I dont think [in my humble opinion] that we need to go back and over and over what is dreadfully painful stuff, particularly when you have a family and/or a physical illness to contend with too. As I said before, it has been proven now that the Cognitive approach when done correctly, is just as effective as reliving the pain.      There are times when I relive the pain in my head, I type in down on the computer,  how I felt etc, its very catharthic and as good as any therapist, best of luck with your new Therapist and do let me know how youre getting on.

6/17/09 6:29pm

You make really good points.  And I am thinking on these things you point out.  You are right?  Who needs more pain? 

 

Actually I have been in therapy...I had a wonderful therapist for years when I was in my twenties.  But there was so much stuff that I never really got to delve too deeply into certain things.  I had two brief stints with cognitive behaviorists and I think...that it was the therapist and not the method which was not so effective. 

 

So we shall see.  I am going to give this new therapist a try.  I will be sure to tell you how it goes.

 

 

6/18/09 2:22am

I agree cognitive therapy can be both very useful and very difficult. I had to learn the hard way to stop blaming myself for everything. I truly hated myself so much I don't believe it is possible for anyone to hate anyone more - it was even to the point that I wouldn't allow me to kill myself simply because that was what I wanted and I figured I deserved all the pain and suffering I went through so I was going to make myself live on and suffer! And it doesn't help that other people can say such horrible things blaming me too: 'you need to just get over yourself' 'if you just tried harder' - basically saying it's all my fault I'm like this. I even had to block certain people out of my life because they kept reinforcing these ways of thinking that were far from helpful.

 

I hope cognitive therapy is working well for you. The process might be slow but it's definitely worthwhile in the end if you can break some of those more harmful thought processes, don't you think?

6/11/09 8:51pm

I believe a therapist should focus on how you feel today. If thats because of something bothering you from the past then thats where you will have to go.

 

Me personally I was neglected as a child so there are few memories that have effected me from my childhood. I was the middle child of seven kids. I have anger issues that result from not having the support of my parents through out my childhood.

 

Can you find resolve from visiting past issues. Does one get used to the dark or overcome a fear by confronting that issue. Of course they do, otherwise therapy would have been left on the back burner centuries ago.

 

Only you can answer the question of: Will it help you feel better to revisit those memories.

 

Pat

P.S. I like to toy with therapists and counselors cause when they find out about all the times I nearly died when I was a kid(by accidents) they are amazed.

6/17/09 5:17pm

I guess there are different philosophies out there that...the "now" is the most important thing and to just move on from the past.  But I feel that we are the sum of our parts.  I am my past as well as my present.  And in our minds too...we have the future...we think on it...we plan for it.  Time is a tricky thing.

 

Anyways...you almost died?  Well do tell us about this sometime.  I have never almost died.  What am I missing?

 

 

6/11/09 10:41pm

Well, it's interesting that you should bring this up.  I've been doing this for a long, long time and yes, it's painful, but it has also been a relief when I've revisited a time long ago and seen it for what it really was and I've finally been able to express my feelings about it.  In my case, I've been dealing with PTSD and a lot of things that were dissociated.  When I go back to the source of something, my feeling is that finally, somebody is hearing the me that was so terrified then.  I've been working with EMDR a lot and it really helps me put the current trigger in perspective.  What I've found most recently is that the hardest part of it all is feeling the grief that I could never let myself feel before, yet this seems so much better to me than all the years I felt terrible or numb without knowing why. 

 

I don't know whether or not I'll ever feel total closure, especially since the people that caused the most damage are still living.  I've sort of come to the belief that I may be depressed to some degree for the rest of my life, but am hoping that maybe if I can do the proper grieving, that will alleviate much of it.  I sometimes have a hard time distinguishing between depression and grief, but I don't think grief usually makes you hate yourself like depression does.  Some things I've been able to let go by just realizing it wasn't about me, it was all about them.  In fact, now I'm running into a few problems with feeling very sorry for them, especially now that they're getting on in years and may not have many left.  A part of me still feels responsible for their happiness, but at least I know that's what's going on, which helps with some of the unearned guilt.  I think it's hard to know where we're at if we don't know where we've been, so to speak.  CBT alone has never been of much help to me, for a number of reasons, one of which is that if I can't make it work, I feel like there is something wrong with me and I'm just being stubborn.

 

I feel very fortunate to have found a therapist who looks for various ways to work with me, that will have the best benefit.  That support has enabled me to safely look at the painful things and I couldn't do it if I didn't trust her - which took a while to get to.  I wasted too many years ignoring my heart and soul and I really needed to find the truth, whatever it was.  (Sorry this has gotten to be so long, but I've never had anyone ask this question before.)  It's definitely just my opinion based on my own experience, but I think if you at all feel like it will take you somewhere, you should go for it if it feels safe.

 

By the way, I've been thinking of starting a sharepost, but feel a little nervous about it yet.  Thanks, Merely Me, for asking.  I hope this has been at least a little helpful.

6/17/09 5:27pm

Oh Judy!

 

YES!  Write a sharepost please.

 

I would love to hear more of what you have to say.  I am really enjoying this discussion because I am understanding more and more that there is no one way to treat depression.  Everyone is different.  "Therapy" can mean so many different things.

 

I suffer from PTSD too and...I have never fully dealt with it.  Certain things will trigger a memory and it is like I have stepped right back into time and I re-live it.  I have forged a good life despite all this but...maybe it doesn't have to be so hard.  I think I am finally ready to deal with...this stuff.  I hope so anyway.

 

My greatest fear is that I will be left a mess and broken. 

 

Why is life so darn complex?  Smile

 

I am not sure I should be talking so openly but hey...if I want to be of any help...I should be honest.  I am not perfect and I am going through stuff too.  I have not "recovered" from my depression but I am doing good...if that makes sense.

 

Anyways...please do share your experiences.  I want to hear them and I bet everyone here will too. 

6/18/09 11:35pm

I understand your fear of being left a mess and broken, Merely Me, but I truly believe that if you are up for doing the work, you will make it through.  But you really, really have to trust that your therapist is going to support you when you need it - that is one thing that's made me be able to do it.  I didn't really start doing serious therapy until I was 40, even though I had been seeing a therapist before.  I don't think I was ready to know the truth before that.  My kids were a little older by then and not requiring so much of my attention, plus they were having emotional problems, as well, and I wasn't sure I could handle it all.  I think their problems triggered some of my old stuff that I thought I had dealt with earlier.

 

I sometimes think that one of the hardest things about doing the work is re-experiencing what it was like to be a child and I can tell you that at my ripe age, I have to struggle against feeling really ashamed that it still hurts.  But I don't think I'm going to get to compassion unless I do this and I'm finding that it's also helping me feel more compassion for others.

 

Thanks for all you give to everyone on this site.  It's so interesting to hear about others' experiences.  I always look forward to your shareposts.

6/12/09 1:07am

First of all it's very funny to read 'it is summer'. I'm in Australia so it is winter and I am currently freezing: I'm shaking here at my desk even though I'm bundled up... perhaps I should shut my window but I want to air my room... oh the dilemma! Wink

 

To answer your question I think that as in everything in life it depends on the individual. In some cases going over the past only opens old wounds and you can end up leaving therapy feeling worse than ever, feeling fear/hatred/sadness that isn't relevant to your current situation. In other cases it is necessary to go over the past in order to understand emotions and thought processes that are occuring that seem without logic - nothing ever happens for no reason so it most probably is due to past experiences the individual has either supressed, blocked or simply forgotten about and thus never dealt with adequately.

 

In my own personal experience... well at different times I have found it both useful and harmful to discuss my past. There was a period in my life when I stopped going to therapy for the reason that I left the doctor's office feeling horrible even though I had been smiling when I went in. But then if I hadn't gone through that period of time I may never have gotten to the place that I am at now where I am aware of what led me to being so depressed. I perhaps found it so difficult because I was in denial and was forever putting on an act and facing up to my past meant letting go of that facade. I have gone over my past so many times now it's almost like recounting someone else's story - I'm recalling the last recollection rather than the memory itself and that distance can prevent me from feeling any pain at all on occasion.

 

I certainly feel that I have put my past behind me in a way. I can't really remember it anymore, not since I wrote an autobiography of sorts (self therapy). In this way I didn't feel the need to remember it because I have a hardcopy of it to look at if and when I might ever need it again. You see I hid the truth from people a lot when I was young and before I wrote it all out I was sure that if I didn't keep those memories alive the only 'record' of my childhood that would exist was other people's views and memories which in my mind were wrong (they didn't know all the facts/how miserable I was/etc). So the fact that I hardly remember anything is my way of putting my past behind me.

 

Oh and the key point is that I'm aware of why I react to things the way I do because of that past analysis. Thus in a way I've dealt with it. As much as I can. You see I can't go back and change the events, I have to move on, and now that I can explain the more weird aspects of myself due to how those past experiences affected me I'm okay with who I am and thus life doesn't seem quite so out of my control anymore. Maybe, just maybe, I can get on with things again... that's the hope anyway.

6/17/09 5:37pm

Wow!  Australia!  I didn't know you lived there.  You will have to tell us all about it.  Isn't it something...people from around the world all can have these common bonds and connections. 

 

You are so wise for someone so young!  I do remember you saying you were younger right?  Anyways...you really know yourself well and I like it that you can see things from multiple perspectives.

 

I think we all suffer from some disassociation to our past...I can too...tell stories...horrible ones from my past and have no feelings about them.  I think this is just a normal defense.  But...the past does come to haunt you...you would be surprised at how often one re-plays the past out in current interactions and relationships.  So I want to be aware of all of this stuff. 

 

Feeling bad after therapy.  Well...in my mind...therapy is hard work.  Sometimes you gotta feel bad to get to the root of the problem.  Just like surgery maybe...you don't exactly feel good after but sometimes you need it.  Getting better, in my opinion, doesn't always mean you feel good.  But then again you don't need to be totally dismantled and broken into bits afterward either. 

 

I am really enjoying this conversation.  I do hope you keep writing and sharing your thoughts.  You have wonderful insight...I foresee great things for you.

6/18/09 2:15am

I love living in Australia - especially because I love going bushwalking. If I get really bad I disappear from my life and head to the bush! If anyone is ever thinking of coming to the land of Oz and you come to Sydney you must do four things: see the city (with the Harbour Bridge, Opera House, etc just for touristy things to do), go to Bondi beach, go to the Blue Mountains (for the bushwalks) and go to Featherdale Wildlife Park (Taronga Zoo is in the city but it's a zoo like any other in the world, go to Featherdale in the suburbs - right near my home actually - and you get all Australian animals and can actually interact with them - kangaroos and wallaby's hop around you, you can stroke koalas, kookaburras, etc, see crocodiles get fed, etc etc - it's brilliant). That's the best way to experience all aspects of Australia in my view!

 

Yes you are right I am young: I recently turned 23. But I think wisdom comes from experience rather than age - I've been through a lot more than people realise (both good and bad) and have spent a lot of my time on the outer, I've had plenty of time to think these things through and come up with nonbiased opinions (being shut out and watching other people interact means you have no personal investment in situations and can get some real perspective).

 

You are very right about past events still affecting the present. I have panic attacks whenever I try to return to work (after pushing myself for years until I had a breakdown I'm afraid to push myself again), I used to feel nauseous at the sight of the colour pink (because it reminded me of people I'd rather forget/who did horrible things to me), and although I have a high level of intelligence (even if I do say so myself...) I haven't gone on to university because going to school gives me panic attacks and I don't want to have to deal with people in such settings ever again. There are other stuff too but you get the gist. In some ways I can teach myself to get past it. In others I get triggered emotionally no matter what I do or say rationally. Therapy has helped me identify these things and come to decisions on whether I want to face them or not and what I need to do to deal with or avoid them so it is definitely better to know than not (you still react even if you aren't aware why you are reacting after all and that can be so much scarier, can't it?)

6/12/09 2:33am

HI!  Happy Summer (or winter in other parts of the worldSmile)!  On the subject of past trauma(s),...I don't believe that you can ever truly forget them.  I do think that you can heal and recover from them and learn from them.  Thinking positive is a struggle for me, but when I focus and really work to be positive and not let myself be drug down into the darkness, I think that all that has happened on ones life makes them stronger people. 

6/12/09 12:33pm

One question for now...have to go to work.

 

Many lessons have I learned: not to put down the top on my car if it is really windy, the sun is not out, and the clouds are very dark.

 

I also learned a lesson in not wearing high heals when I have to walk through a construction zone to get to the building I work in.

 

This is all made up. My question is why is the term learn/lesson used for past "experience"(s) like ours?

 

Marlene

 

 

6/14/09 10:22pm

     I guess that I use the word "learn" because I feel like that is the only positive thing I can think of to say!  I've "learned" from all of my past experiences, whether they are good or bad.  I often refer to it as "Learning From The School Of Hard Knocks".  I'm trying to find the positive in negative!  I've found that doing this is easier that being angry that it happened, or asking why did this have to happed to me. 

     Our pasts were a very unfortunate thing best left in the past, I think.  I wish that I had not experienced them.  I wish that no one would have to be a victim of bad things.  But,...one can't forget completly about these bad things from our past, because they have molded us/affected us/changed us.  Good or bad, in a positive way or a negative way, with weird quirks and all,...they have affected us!

6/17/09 5:48pm

Hi Rena and Marlene!

 

This is a good conversation.  I wonder too at times...what is to be learned with this horrible thing or that awful circumstance?  When you are in the thick of it...sometimes it just sucks.  But then time passes and our minds make it more...palatable...easier to deal with in the distance of a memory. 

 

I do like to think there is a meaning to things.  I like to think that my life has purpose and things that have happened were supposed to be.  Or maybe it is just something I tell myself to make sense of all this mess. 

 

I would rather believe in...meaning than not.  As what we believe has a domino effect on our lives.  If I believe that my son's autism for example...is a tragedy...then I will wake up in the morning an act upon that belief.  If I believe that he is here to teach me as much as I teach him...that this experience is one of joy and love...then I wake up with a premise which allows me to be happy and to help my son.

 

So yeah...I think we do learn from the past...we learn how to find meaning in our lives despite the hardships.  It sounds hoaky and cliched but this is what I truly believe.

 

We are...what we believe. 

6/17/09 6:20pm

Hi Judy, all, reading tonight here in Ireland where its Summer by the way and raining constantly and cold [like the last 3summers !] Im seeing a common thread through all of our lives... that we all had awful childhoods or something awful happen to us.. I had both. So the current Controversy over DNA and Depression being a biological thing is popping up in my mind and I'm beginning to question it again !!  What Im seeing here is alot of very brave and wounded people who have the courage to go back and look into that awful place in an effort to heal and go forward...  I'm pretty low with awful churning anxiety in my stomach at the moment so my postings may be a little disjointed. hope this makes sense. 

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6/18/09 9:19am

What has worked for me is EMDR.  I no longer have the emotional response and no more flashbacks.  I have to really draw upon that memory to bring it up again.  It doesn not evoke the kind of emotion it used to. 

 

Don't know if we can ever really be at peace. At times the best self care thing to do is to deport the person who is toxic to you from your life. 

6/18/09 9:05pm

Hi. I am BiPolar and have Borderline Personality Disorder. I take 8 different kinds of medications. I have a long history of self abuse. I am 51 and still scratch and cause awful bruises. I am a new grandmother. I have quit drinking. But my past WILL NOT stay buried. I talk about it I don't talk about it. It doesn't seem to matter. I got divorced after a 21 year marriage, 3 great kids. Now the youngest is in lots of trouble. He had my grandson. They are getting a divorce. He is 20. The baby just turned 1 in March. I have a great man in my life. But he is BiPolar too. It cause trouble. When I had my apartment it helped because I had a place to run away to. Now all I have is upstairs. It isn't enough. I need more. But I can't afford an apt anymore. I love him. He is good for me most of the time. I am good for him, too.

But back to your question?? I don't think anyone can ever put everything behind they and live happily ever after. I personally think if they say they can/do that they are delusional and need HELP fast!!!!

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