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Monday, August 25, 2008 Jason asks

Q: Quitting Marijuana Inpatient or Outpatient? With Anti-Depressants? Timeline for recovery?

Dr Edell, I am a 36yr old male that experiences severe problems when trying to stop using marijuana. I started smoking it recreationally as a young teen. It made me feel good and more relaxed in social situations. When I was 22 I fell off a cliff while climbing and suffered fractures of my ankle and thoracic vertebrae. I found the marijuana to also help with the pain. I live in California where medical marijuana is legal and with a doctor's recommendation 5 years ago I purchased a vaporizer and used his recommendation to gain access to very high quality marijuana at legal dispensaries. I have been vaporizing 2 ounces of marijuana a month for 5 years, preceded by 17 years of smoking on pretty much a daily all day basis. The problems I am experiencing follow: 2 years ago I experienced a "Panic Attack" and ended up in the hospital. The attack helped me to decide to make major life changes and quitting pot was one of them, cold turkey. Life became surreal in a bad way, near hallucinogenic in that everything was in a "dream/nightmare" state. Constant anxiety over nothing, occasionally feeling like I can't breathe/am not getting enough oxygen from the air, overwhelming feelings of impending doom, suicidal thoughts, sweating constantly, jittery, unable to sleep, complete lack of appetite, extremely vivid dreams and nightmares, and going from rage to sadness and back. I thought I completely lost my mind, and I honestly did not attribute this to any sort of physical withdrawal from my body's dependence on marijuana since "pot isn't addictive" and I had not yet separated mental addiction from physical dependence. I went to therapy once I week, started exercising regularly, eating healthier, and as time wore on I slept better, stopped sweating all the time, and regained my appetite. After 4 months I was no longer experiencing panic attacks, but I always felt I high level of anxiety and never felt like I could just breathe a sigh and relax. I felt jittery all the time, and also felt a deep sense of loss. Nothing in life was as interesting, or tasted as good, or looked as good as before. I constantly felt deprived. Then came a very stressful time, I was having difficulty dealing with it and my therapist suggested talking to a doctor about anti-depressants to help through this period of adjustment. I decided that instead of that I would go back to vaporizing marijuana and moderate my use this time. I probably don't need to tell you that didn't work and I am back to using 2 ounces a month. I can't sleep through the night because I wake in the early hours anxious and sweating, and shortly after I vaporize anxiety disappears and sweating stops. Here's where I need your advice: I have seen a few well respected doctors and they have similar yet differing opinions. An addiction specialist says I really need to go to an inpatient center for at least 30 days where I will probably be placed on anti-depressants and benzodiazapenes. He believes the marijuana is the problem, and I need to continue counseling once I get out of inpatient. The psychologist has a slightly different take: He thinks I have an underlying chemical imbalance that I have been addressing with marijuana but that it isn't working for me anymore. He thinks I should start low level anti-depressants, and after that kicks in that I may find it easier to quit marijuana, and that quitting suddenly now might do more damage than good. He recommends I stay at home with the support of my family as opposed to the expense of an inpatient stay. I would greatly appreciate your thoughts on whether or not anti-depressants are a good idea and if so should they be started before, after, or at the same moment I quit marijuanna. Also your thoughts on whether inpatient detox to start or outpatient is better, and any prognosis for my brain chemistry recovering with or without pharmaceutical help.
Thank You,

Jason

 

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12/ 1/09 9:01am

Jason, I came across your story and at the end realised that after over 12 months of being posted, nobody has responded. I am at home constantly struggling with the emotional upheaval of a partner who is both depressed, and extremely dependant on marijuana. We live in Australia, and it is not so much readily available, nor affordable. And so lack of is quite stressful within the househould. I most certainly from my observation, believe that anti depressants are far less effective than marijuana. However, I truly believe that both are a mind altering substitute for fear of the mind of willpower.I am myself a pot smoker, and so do not profess to be wise without experience. We are all different human beings stuggling with different life experiences....... I was wondering Jason, over 12 months down the track after wisely acknowledging what it is that you do not want........ are you still smoking pot?

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12/ 1/09 11:22am

Hi Lisa,

 

Thanks for responding to my post.  I'll give you an update.  December 10th will mark 6 months clean and sober.  I did this without substituting my marijuana use with anything else besides the rooms of Narcotics Anonymous.  I can't recommend this program highly enough.  The only requirement for membership is the desire to stop using.  The theraputic value of one addict helping another is without parallel.  I feel like a free man.  Though I did when I first quit, I no longer suffer from panic attacks or anxiety, nor sweating or feeling like I'm losing my mind.  I rarely feel depressed, and if I do it passes quickly.  Even my cravings for marijuana have decreased 1000%. Everyone around me notices how much calmer I am.  I go to movies, to concerts, hang out with friends and have a great time, all without the use of drugs (something I wasn't sure was possible).  I do still struggle with getting frustrated and angry easily, but even that is improving.  I attribute all of this to time and NA.  Our bodies are amazing and do have the ability to recover.  I wish you guys well, and if I can be of any support let me know.

 

Peace,

 

Jason

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1/20/10 5:05pm

Thank you so much Jason for sharing your stories. I have stopped using pot for almost 3 weeks now and somedays it just feels unbearable!! Like today :) Sleep is getting better and my appetite is back but now the main problem for me is dealing with depression. I really...really don't want to go on anti-depressants so I guess I'm toughing through it. But I wish I had something for the really hard days. Oh well. I'm glad you got your life back, I'm trying so hard to get there myself. I think it's really hard for pot because there is this underlining sub-culture that says pot is not addictive and there are SO many people that do it everyday...all day and it's not a problem. It kind of disguises the addiction part. But I'm calling it what it is and I'll look into NA and see if I can relate to anyone there.

Jess

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By Jason— Last Modified: 06/18/12, First Published: 08/25/08