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Sunday, December 07, 2008 spena asks

Q: Why isn't suicide acceptable? I believe it's the best way to end the suffering of family members.

I know how much I've put my husband through; I haven't worked in over 6 years.  My days are spent in bed and it's almost impossible to accomplish even the smallest tasks.  I haven't been a wife to him for so long, and I believe he needs to move on and find someone that enjoys life and can bring joy to him.

I've been in therapy and used just about every antidepressant there is; currently taking Wellbutrin, Lexapro, and Trazadone.  I've been hospitalized because of my risk of suicide.  I don't see any hope.

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12/ 8/08 8:58am

Hey Spena

 

I hear the pain of this experience very clearly in your writing.  I know from experience that when you are in the thick of depression, it seems hopeless and your mind tells you things like, "If I end things then I won't be a burden any longer."  This kind of thinking is an illusion of the depression.  The depression makes us think things that just are not true.

 

One of the best things said to me which snapped me around was what a suicide hotline counselor told me on the phone.  I was in a bad way and had called for help and spoke pretty much as you are doing here.  This fellow, Frank was his name, told me that in his decades of experience as a therapist, no family member ever says that they are relieved that someone commits suicide.  Quite the opposite.  The people who are left behind carry despair, anger, and guilt for the rest of their lives. 

 

It might seem easier or even noble to think of this as the way out but it is not.  It doesn't end the pain...it just ends you.  The pain will go on with the people you leave behind.

 

Please do not give up hope.  I want you to hang in there.  You matter. 

 

I am glad you reached out here today. 

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12/ 8/08 3:33am

My doctor really freaked me out the other day by mentioning the fact that I could be antidepressant resistant. No matter what I take I am always going to be flat. What does that tell me. Go ahead and kill myself? I dont think so. Antidepressants arent the only answer to depression. You just need to change your situation, its very hard because we can get addicted to being in the same situation. There are many different lanes on the freeway of life, sometimes we have to change lanes to view the scenery.

 

I hope this helps,

 

If you need support dont hesitate to write or IM me at Aim: psychoward1

 

Pat

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12/ 9/08 10:22pm

If the meds aren't working, and you're taking them as directed, and using them long enough to make sure that it's the med that isn't working, and not your emotional state screwing you up - then get another psychiatrist, and/or another talk therapist - you have to have both. I told doctors for 15 years that I was tired all the time - and it wasn't until I got a new psychiatrist who started me on Wellbutrin that I got my energy back - 15 years of fatigue, no motivation - I could function at work, but I was useless after I got home. So keep trying - keep asking, keep searching - you will find a solution, and it's about 80% up to you - the doctors and shrinks are only a few steps ahead, and sometimes they know less than we do!

 

I have a great talk therapist right now, who tells me what she sees in me - and is honest. Howrefreshing! I've felt the feelings, I know my baggage, now I'm trying to get to my behavior - my behind-the-scenes stuff. I have to get my self-esteem out of my emotional gutter, and she's helping me do that.

 

Don't be a martyr - make yoursef go look one more time for your solution - demand the truth, demand quality treatment, and live glass half full. Your family will suffer much more if you die than if you try.

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11/19/09 2:26am

If you really wanted to die, you would be dead by now.

So, forget all that suicide ideation. You know your husband loves you as much as you love him, or you would, again, be dead by now.

Rather than think of all the bad things that are happening, think of 5 good things. They may be double negatives, but it would change your thought pattern to a more positive mood.

Now, get up and get out of bed. Do something! Start with something small and increase as time goes on. Do things to make your husband happy. That will make you happy in turn.

Remember, self murder is usually assited. Dr. K, polished off a lady who thought she had a fatal disease, but didn't. Oops! Off to jail for Dr. K., and I don't think you want your husband to go to jail or collect none of you Social Security, etc. Develop a new plan for living.

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11/25/09 10:16am

I take the view that depression is not a disease anymore than the pain felt when you burn your hand on a stove. For some problems there are simply no answers. I hate to say this but for some people suicide might be the only choice but then I don't know who you are or what has happened. Being honest about this subject is probably better than all the circular crap we always getting about  "chemical imbalances" and being "positive"..  

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1/10/10 5:55pm

Refreshing honesty.  I'm probably going to end up killing myself.  I get so sick of hearing bull crap talk about how "you matter" and it would be "selfish".  Screw that.  There are 5 billion people on this planet.  People die every day.  One more ain't gonna have any monumental impact.  People die, people grieve, and the world keeps on turning. 

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1/10/10 8:20pm

I have to strongly disagree.  This isn't honest or refreshing.  This is a dangerous point of view and inaccurate.  If you were to speak with any family member, friend, or loved one or even acquaintances of a person who has taken their life you would then understand that the pain does not end.  It lives on with everyone who is left behind.  It leaves a life long emotional scar which never heals.  It is not an "option" as  it kills any hope, any chance, any opportunity to start again.  Your life does have value.  What I hear in this is a lot of anger.  Get angry!  But don't use that anger to destroy yourself.  Use that energy to defy your depression and to get up in the morning despite your problems.  Use that energy to help others who are in need.  Use it to fight the system.

 

The fact that you are writing here shows me that you are wanting help.  Please accept it.  If you want to get mad, that is fine.  Get mad at me.  Tell me I am full of it.  But keep writing.  Keep talking.  Keep fighting.

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1/10/10 9:26pm

I also have to strongly disagree with this.  I am sorry that you have gotten so cynical about life that you think it doesn't matter if you live or die.  I want to tell you a personal story about why I feel suicide isn't the answer.

 

When my older son was in high school, he was very depressed.  We had him on medication and therapy and those barely kept him going.  He was chronically angry with my husband and would fly into rages over everything.  One evening, after an angry episode with his dad, he marched downstairs into our basement in a huff.  My husband and I were watching TV and I remember it only half-registering, I had seen this happen so many times before.  We didn't hear any noise, but suddenly heard a crash, like something had fallen.  I went down there, looking around, couldn't find him.  And then I realized that the store room door was slightly ajar and there was a light on in there.  I think I knew what I would find, but I walked in there and he was hanging from a rafter with an electrical cord.  He had just lost consciousness and when I grabbed his legs and tried to push him upward to relieve the tension on the cord, he opened his eyes and was immediately sorry.  My husband helped me get him down and all he could say was how sorry he was, how sorry.  I talked to his therapist and psychiatrist on the phone, who had us take him to the emergency room and they admitted him to the psych ward for a week.

 

We subsequently had some family therapy, but there were still problems.  A year and a half later, he tried again by sitting in a running car in the garage while no one else was home, but a ringing phone snapped him out of his "trance" and I actually didn't find out about it until some time later.  But he did spend another week in the hospital.  After that, he married a girl he thought he loved but who was more screwed up and depressed than he was and the marriage didn't last long.  More depression, to say the least.

 

I can't say exactly what turned him around, but today he has his head on straight.  If he had succeeded in killing himself, I would still be grieving and I would not have my beautiful grandson to brighten my life or a daughter-in-law that I care very much about.  We all leave a part of ourselves with the people who are in our lives, so you have no right to say that you don't matter because you can't speak for those people.  I don't necessarily look at suicide as being selfish because I think when a person is in that much pain, they're just not thinking about the consequences of what they're doing.  Yes, people die and the world keeps on turning, but it's a different kind of grief when the death is part of the natural life cycle.  There IS help for depression, sometimes it just takes some hard looking, sometimes the help is right in front of you and you don't see it.  I hope you will find it.  I can promise you that you DO matter to somebody, maybe even someone you don't know about but who watches you or looks up to you.  Don't cause them pain because of your pain.  Talk to someone, find someone who will listen to you.  This site is one place you can come to, but it's not face-to-face; however, people here DO care because most of us have probably thought about suicide and chose not to do it.  It is definitely NOT the best way to end the suffering of family members - just ask any family member of someone who's committed suicide - or even just tried it - and see what they say.

 

I'm hoping you will change your mind and choose to live.

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9/25/10 1:47pm

at least someone is being honest  noone who has ever had to experience the pain of dealing with depression has no freakin clue what a day to day sruggle it is i have to wake up again.same routine you feel useless,waste of space,and a shell of someone that used to be there.   but do you know how hurt those you leave behind would be thats what keeps me semi-functioning.  if it was reversed i could imagine his pain and my sons pain,even though yours seems soooo much more overwhelming and important.im in the same boat.i feel like all i am is a burden to my husband.he has to get tired of the crying ,mood swings,and unfunctional me. but hes here and hes not going anywhere and either will yours im just starting help this week so im gonna try and look at it as an adventure even if i feel like sh*t.  but hang in there theres gotta be that light somewhere out there

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