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Where did beef and pork go?

By Dr. Bill Quick, Health Pro Friday, January 18, 2008
I recently received an e-mail about beef and pork insulin. The writer inquired:   "Who would I write to about bringing back Pork and Beef insulin to the United States? The people who did well on the P&B have had many troubles with the synthetic Insulin. I don't understand the ...
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Anonymous
Scott
1/29/08 12:41pm

First, it is worth noting that by 1982, leaders in the diabetes treatment field indicated that less than 5% of all patients developed allergies (at least, that is what Dr. Rachmiel Levine, formerly of City of Hope Medical Center and one of the developers of synthetic human insulin admitted to author Steven S. Hall, author of the book "Invisible Frontiers: The Race to Synthesize a Human Gene" in an interview) or experienced allergic reactions to the highly-purified animal insulin being sold in the U.S. at that time. This means that the case for purity of synthetic human insulin is vastly overstated. Its all about profits for the drug companies, and with patents on synthetic human insulin now expired, Novo Nordisk has already announced its intention to eliminate all forms of "human" insulin (regular, NPH), leaving only more costly analogs available because they are still patent-protected. Lilly, however, has not agreed to do the same, so Novo's intentions may not be fulfilled. Interestingly enough, approximately the medical literature indicates that approximately 4% of patients also develop an allergic reaction to synthetic human insulin (remember, the culture used to manufacture synthetic human insulin comes from animals), so the differences in purity are really a non-issue.

 

The question of whether Pork and Beef insulin will return to the U.S. with the answer being "no" suggests that simply because the insulin oligopoly (the "big 3": Eli Lilly, Novo Nordisk, Sanofi Aventis) aren't interested doesn't mean it will never return, and I'm not convinced that is true. It is worth noting that there are several scientific studies which suggest that human insulin is, in fact, one of the autoantigens which causes type 1 diabetes in the first place. Given this growing body of evidence, one could make a convincing argument that treating patients with "human" insulin is akin to treating an alcoholic with whiskey, as it increases inflammation which caused their disease in the first place.

In May 2007, Reuters reported that Poland's Bioton, S.A. announced plans to enter the U.S. insulin market by 2010. Bioton is one of the last remaining animal insulin producers in Europe, and its possible that they would consider selling their animal sourced insulin in the U.S., too. Bioton also sells synthetic insulin, but they must wrestle with well-established companies to gain market share in the U.S., and animal insulin might be a niche they can address which is not being addressed by the big 3. The company has not announced specifics yet, so it remains to be seen. In addition, Argentina's Laboratorios Beta has considered North America (most likely Canada first), and like Poland's Bioton, they sell synthetic and animal-sourced insulin, and could find that animal insulin is a profitable niche product which they do not need to compete with the big 3 on. At this point, however, animal insulin from the United Kingdom is sold in Canada and U.S. consumers may buy it there. There is even a Canadian pharmacy who operates a website and does not require a doctor's prescription to buy it, but the currency differential with the U.K. vs. the U.S. and Canada make it terribly expensive.

Nevertheless, anyone wishing to buy animal insulin can order it online from:

Pharmawest Pharmacy
Unit #103 20560 56th Ave
Langley, BC, Canada V3A 3Y8

http://www.getcanadiandrugs.com/


USA Toll-Free: 1-877-530-0799
USA Toll-Free Fax 1-877-530-0700

The pork insulins are:
Hypurin Regular Insulin PORK
Hypurin NPH PORK

The insulin is manufactured by Wockhardt UK Ltd. (formerly known as CP Pharmaceuticals), but largely from animal pancreases sourced from the USA and Canada.

Anonymous
JP Marat
8/ 4/09 4:19pm

There are numerous research studies demonstrating the benefits of c-peptide -- which the pharmaceutical companies have ignorantly removed from their insulin preparations as 'junk' -- in preventing diabetic complications in a way that mere blood glucose control cannot.  Since it is well known that diabetics with more endogenous insulin production can achieve better blood glucose control than those without, and the body produces insulin in equal amounts with c-peptide, did you ever think that all the results 'proving' that strict blood sugar control prevents complications might actually just be measuring, albeit indirectly, the complication-preventing qualities of c-peptide?

 

You might want to look at B. Johansson, et al, "Beneficial Effects of C-Peptide on Incipient Nephropathy in Patients with Type 1 Diabetes Mellitus," Diabetes Medicine, vol. 17, no. 3, p. 181 (2006); Y. Ide, et al, "Prevention of Vascular and Neuronal Dysfunction in Diabetic Rats by C-Peptide," Science, vol. 277, no. 5321, p. 563 (1997).

8/ 6/09 10:01am

My son has had diabetes for 35 years, since he was three. One thing that I want to point out is that they were telling diabetics that pork insulin was no longer available long before they stopped making it, so that's why the number of type 1 diabetics using natural pork and beef insulin declined. I just find so much deception in marketing when they refer to DNA GE synthetic insulin as human insulin and pushing DNA GE synthetic insulin. My son is back on pork insulin from Canada and doing so much better. His quality of life has dramatically improved. Different doesn't mean better. Natural material is silk and man-made material is polyester. I'll take natural insulin for my son over man-made any day. Thank you for a forum where all opinion can be expressed. I find a lot of censorship on this subject.

1/26/10 2:58pm

I just read that President George H.W.Bush and Dan Quayle with ties to Eli Lilly encouraged the fast track of the rDNA synthetic insulin through the FDA & then the Bush administration tried to limit the public's ability to sue drug companies. The profits from rDNA synthetic insulin affords the powerful to purchase new cars for their children, while we the parents of diabetic children are left to purchase coffins or worse for our children, because of the defective insulin that we are forced to buy in America. Eli Lilly gives money to the American Diabetes Association, so the American Diabetes Association's judgement is questionable to me.

3/15/10 2:46pm

It is so true that there are many diabetics who can't tolerate the so called "human insulins", and I'm one of them. I just know from personal experience over more than 35 years that when I'm using "human" insulin I lose all sensitivity to hypoglycemia, my blood sugar swings become more severe and in general feel unwell. When your body loses feedback about low blood sugar levels you miss that window of opportunity to treat them and then the body goes into overcompensation mode and sugars skyrocket. It becomes a vicious cycle and can be deadly. 

I just thank God that pork insulin is still available from Canada, although the price is ridiculous. When I can afford it that's what I use. If I run out and can't get another shipment in time I'm forced to buy Humulin and after a few days on the stuff I'm back to feeling lousy again. There IS a definite difference and don't listen to anyone who says otherwise.

3/20/10 11:23am

Thank you so much for taking the time to respond, I'm sure your words will be very beneficial and reassuring to many other people with diabetes who find themselves in the same sad situation caused by rDNA synthetic insulin. I really wish that you would post that comment on YouTube where the   clueless masses go. If you sell to the classes, then you'll eat with the masses and if you sell to the masses, then you'll eat with the classes. I refer to " MyDiabetesCentral " as the website with a heart and soul, but unfortunately more people go on YouTube than on this site.

 

A lot of American people get natural pork and beef insulin from Canada, because in Canada you don't need a doctor's prescription, because they consider insulin to be an over the counter medication. My son is in the process of getting his pork insulin from England, because it doesn't cost as much and you can get the insurance companies to pay for it, but they won't cover shipping. My goal, like many people in America, is to get the natural pork and beef insulin available in America again. It isn't if it's going to happen, it's when it's going to happen, so help us make it happen by getting the word out there. Again, thank you so much for your valuable time and insight, Pam


3/23/11 2:40pm

Hi I am a diebetic for 4 years now and was told you could not buy pork insulin in Canada buy every doctor and pharmacist I asked. what a lode of crap,I have never felt good on the synthetic garb, I Have tryed it all. Finaly found pork insulin and am doing much better.I would like to start law suit to sue all those people that lied to me and every other person with diabetes.

9/17/10 1:45pm

C-Peptides MESSAGE:

 

 

I have been doing alot of digging in to the fact that my body needs c-peptides as I have been a type 1 diebetic for 32 years since the age of 30. I took pork and beef type insulin until it was no longer available. I was into martial arts for 18 years while taking the pork/beef insulin with no complication at all. When I had to switch over to Humulin type insulin I noticed first of all I had to almost double the insulin to keep my sugars in line. I started to notice in about 6 months that I started to lose muscle mass in my feed and hands, this should not have been as I was working out kicking bags and using my hands in all types of training, I also noticed I started to get thining hair loss along with lack of the energy (that I had on pork/beef insulin). Other slight complecation started over the years fighting to keep blood pressure down, numb and pain in feet, circulation and the like, I make sure I keep on a strict diet and herb/suplament regament for the associated complecations. Now after all the years I now find out for myself that the pure humulin insulin I am taking is creating the problems that I started to experience when I could not get pork/beef insulin (lack of c-peptides, taken out of Humulin Insulin) THIS IS CRIMINAL. My diebetic doctors knowing all along that the new insulin (humulin) was lacking the necessary c-peptides to maintain heathly cells and fight off complecations and that this human DNA type insulin is a slow killer for all type 1 diebetics. I have just recently ordered the pork insulin from the recommended Canadian Pharm. 

 

I need to know if there is any companies or any place a type 1 diebetic can get c-peptide to suplament the lack in our body (oral or injections and how much to take) I only found it available for research.

 

There should be some way Type 1 diebetic's could get a Class action suit going or even a Senate investigation started, any suggestions could help.

 

I also recently checked to see if I could get Pork/beef insulin here in the USA for live stock and just recently the FDA have band it in the USA for the use for live stock and sale in farm stores, now they only can sell Humulin Insulin for giving to live stock, They now are using human insulin on our anamials and pets.  WHAT NEXT  GOVERNMENT HEALTH CARE  Ha!

 

Thank you,

 

Gary CA, Fighting Mad

Anonymous
John
7/ 2/11 12:14pm

I've had diabetes for 38 years, diagnosed at age 3.  When I was placed on the Humulin (not human) insulin at 15 my sugar levels went out of control.  Even in the hospital the specialist couldn't understand why.  He was happy with my sugars running around 200.  I eventually went from 2 shots a day in the beginning (pork) to 5-6 shots a day (Humulin not human) to try and keep my sugars in check.  I am back on the pork (imported from Canada) and doing much better.  Pork insulin isn't perfect but works best for me.  I wish the Humulin (not human) insulin worked but it doesn't.  They will never perfect making Humulin (not human) in a lab.  Pork insulin is natural and I prefer it over Humulin.  Nothing we eat, drink or medications we take are 100% pure.  I have never had a problem with pork insulin.  I would be willing to move to Canada to keep taking pork insulin if I couldn't keep importing it.  Diabetics should have a choice and not have it made for us.  It is a shame the drug companies are fully in control.  

12/ 2/11 4:36pm

Just came across this article bit old but the problems of human insulin aint..I,m British,welsh exactly and was diagnosed with type 1 diabetes in1981 I was 15,had my 16th birthday in hosp surrounded by older men with long term complications of diabetes....a real eye opener to say the least.

                                                               I was put on pork insulin insulatard 2 jabs a day  and did ok,in about 1987 they changed me to Human insulin,still 2 jabs a   day but thats when the problems began,bigtime.At first didn,t notice much difference,but over a 4year period my hypos became uncontrolable,unpredictable and vary scary for me and people around me. I was found unconscious in a phone box,trying to get help at the time ,I collapsed at a friends house came round in hosp took me 3 days to remember who and where I was.There was numerous other incidents and tell you the truth I was frightened for my health and sanity.                                       The hospital said I was not eating properly ,this was not the case,anyway eventually I came across an article in Balance a BDA mag for diabetics,stating about the probs some people have with Human insulin.It saved my life.I demanded to go back on Pork insulin,but no one from the medical profession advised me I had to find out for myself and save myself.So there you have it my 4 year nightmare on Human insulin  and the total lack of any medical person to state it was the insulin at fault not me.....and 25years later i,m still doing ok thanks to pork insulin.   Thankfully Pork insulin is still available in UK on prescription.

1/27/12 11:19pm

January 27, 2012

 

MY,MY,MY...such fiddle faddle from those who should know better.

First of all in the 1920's  ... beef and pork insulin saved skinny babies, children and adults who where doomed to die... surviving on starvation diets of 300 calories or less a day, in order to live a few months longer.  The starvation diet was created by a doctor doing the best he could at the time to prolong their lives, but that beef and pork insulin saved their lives. Sure, the insulin had garbage floating around in the insulin and its was'nt so pure at first.  As time went on more floating stuff was removed. 

 

Things were changing in a market of animal insulins and there were more insulin corporations that wanted to do a "switch."  A "switch" to synthetic insulin. After discovering that insulin could be made syntheticly and it worked like animal insulin those corporation decided to convinse type 1's that it was more important for them to do the "switch" and do it quickly.  Why?  MONEY! because it's cheaper to make and we don't have to deal with dead animals, anymore.  Oh, bye the way, we still eat beef and ham and such. The "switch" was to promote and convince the type-1 diabetics in America that there were way, way, more insulin-dependent diabetics in the USA than there actually were.  Sure, there were more type 1's, but not that many more to cause any problems in insulin supply. Type 1's rose slightly over time. The public had to be convensed that there was a problem on the horizon. As part of the "switch"  the corporations that producted animal insulin had to convence the public and those poor type 1's that there was going to be a shortage if something wasn't done and done soon.  Yes, can you believe that... a SHORTAGE......SHORTAGE!!!!!!  INSULIN SHORTAGE!!!!!!!!..and so, the SHORTAGE rumor put out by those insulin corporations hit the news programs that aired at that time.  There was no shortage.  The insulin corps discovered synthetic insulin and it was cheaper to make.....they would save the day. 

 And so that's what happened my dears. 

 

 They made the "switch"...at the expense of those poor slowly increasing type 1's.  Yeah, Yeah, can you see.  There are more type 2's, and because of that those insulin corps made the new synthetic insulins for type 2's who eventually will need insulin.  When type-2's stop making insulin and need insulin injected to control blood glucose.  A special synthetic without the little floating things in the bottle that was in animal insulin.  The problem that the insulin corps don't see as a problem and type 2's don't either.   "C-CONNECTING PEPTIDES".   Remember the "junk" the doctor talked about. Yeah that "junk", Type-2's still make it and don't need it, but those poor lowly type-1's don't make it, AND THEY NEED IT, BADLY, THEY NEED IT.  "C-CONNECTING PEPTIDES" stop neuropathy  complications and other types of complications in type-1's.  Research in the past decade proves it to be true.  When "C-CONNECTING PEPTIDE" is given to type-1's with serious neuropathy pain, the neuropathy goes away. So,do the insulin corps care that type-1's don't get the "C-CONNECTING PEPTIDES" that we saw floating in the animal insulin bottles.    no........  and so those type-1's will continue to get complications they didn't get on animal insulins, but no one really cares except those type-1's and their families that have great difficulties with complications.........especially not synthetic insulin corps. 

          

1/27/12 11:23pm

January 27, 2012

 

MY,MY,MY...such fiddle faddle from those who should know better.

First of all in the 1920's  ... beef and pork insulin saved skinny babies, children and adults who where doomed to die... surviving on starvation diets of 300 calories or less a day, in order to live a few months longer.  The starvation diet was created by a doctor doing the best he could at the time to prolong their lives, but that beef and pork insulin saved their lives. Sure, the insulin had garbage floating around in the insulin and its was'nt so pure at first.  As time went on more floating stuff was removed. 

 

Things were changing in a market of animal insulins and there were more insulin corporations that wanted to do a "switch."  A "switch" to synthetic insulin. After discovering that insulin could be made syntheticly and it worked like animal insulin those corporation decided to convinse type 1's that it was more important for them to do the "switch" and do it quickly.  Why?  MONEY! because it's cheaper to make and we don't have to deal with dead animals, anymore.  Oh, bye the way, we still eat beef and ham and such. The "switch" was to promote and convince the type-1 diabetics in America that there were way, way, more insulin-dependent diabetics in the USA than there actually were.  Sure, there were more type 1's, but not that many more to cause any problems in insulin supply. Type 1's rose slightly over time. The public had to be convensed that there was a problem on the horizon. As part of the "switch"  the corporations that producted animal insulin had to convence the public and those poor type 1's that there was going to be a shortage if something wasn't done and done soon.  Yes, can you believe that... a SHORTAGE......SHORTAGE!!!!!!  INSULIN SHORTAGE!!!!!!!!..and so, the SHORTAGE rumor put out by those insulin corporations hit the news programs that aired at that time.  There was no shortage.  The insulin corps discovered synthetic insulin and it was cheaper to make.....they would save the day. 

 And so that's what happened my dears. 

 

 They made the "switch"...at the expense of those poor slowly increasing type 1's.  Yeah, Yeah, can you see.  There are more type 2's, and because of that those insulin corps made the new synthetic insulins for type 2's who eventually will need insulin.  When type-2's stop making insulin and need insulin injected to control blood glucose.  A special synthetic without the little floating things in the bottle that was in animal insulin.  The problem that the insulin corps don't see as a problem and type 2's don't either.   "C-CONNECTING PEPTIDES".   Remember the "junk" the doctor talked about. Yeah that "junk", Type-2's still make it and don't need it, but those poor lowly type-1's don't make it, AND THEY NEED IT, BADLY, THEY NEED IT.  "C-CONNECTING PEPTIDES" stop neuropathy  complications and other types of complications in type-1's.  Research in the past decade proves it to be true.  When "C-CONNECTING PEPTIDE" is given to type-1's with serious neuropathy pain, the neuropathy goes away. So,do the insulin corps care that type-1's don't get the "C-CONNECTING PEPTIDES" that we saw floating in the animal insulin bottles.    no........  and so those type-1's will continue to get complications they didn't get on animal insulins, but no one really cares except those type-1's and their families that have great difficulties with complications.........especially not synthetic insulin corps. 

          

Anonymous
Patrick Hornbrook
6/ 1/12 9:58pm

I've been taking insulin for over 32 years and since I started on Humalin 22 yrs ago and all of the human base insulins I have had nothing but problems, The only reason that I was switched was because of the unavailably of the beef and pork, since switching I have lost all worning signs of low blood sugars, there are several human based insulins that I can no longer take as my body sees it as an infection and produses an anti body to the insulin, and prevents it from working... I nomaly was taking 20 units of the fast acting med even taking 100 units did nothing.. until you are a diabetic for 15 yrs or longer as a doctor I feel that you shouldn't open you mouth and show how little you do know... the only true reson for not having beef and pork insulin in Canada and the US isn't because of the insulins being better foir you IE (humalin) its all got to do with money. I now normaly have a blood sugar of over 17. I walk and exersice and work a verry physical job. Im taking over 70 units a day witch is over triple what I was taking of the beef and pork. I test my sugars every 1.5 to 2 hours, I have to get outa bed 4 to 5 times a night to ajust my sugar levels. In short I no longer enjoy life. Im not looking for death by my own hand or by diabeties. That's why I test as much as I do. But it realy pisses me off having a doctor telling me that I dont know what I'm talking about, I should be blind with missing legs if I was to have listened to all the miss informed Doctors out there. Please stop trying to line you pockets with money and give us something that actualy works.....

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By Dr. Bill Quick, Health Pro— Last Modified: 06/01/12, First Published: 01/18/08