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Dr. Bill Quick
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Sunday, March 08, 2009
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For years, we have had terminology dividing diabetes into subgroups: there's "type 1" and "type 2" diabetes (type 1 is autoimmune diabetes with positive antibodies, typically showing up in children or teenagers, previously called IDDM or childhood-onset diabetes) (type 2 is insulin-resistant diabete...
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    Scott Strange
    Sunday, March 08, 2009 at 07:32 PM

    Is there really a physiological difference between T1 and T1.5?  It seems that the main difference that the age of onset is different.  The scenario where a T1.5 goes on insulin a year or so after the inital T2 diagnosis seems pretty analogous to the "honeymoon" period a lot of T1's go thru

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    re: Is there a physiological difference betw T1 & T1.5?
    Dr. Bill Quick
    Sunday, March 08, 2009 at 07:52 PM

    You hit on a very important, and argued, point: is T1.5 merely a late-onset version of T1, or is it something different? It's still unclear, but I suspect there are indeed differences in the etiology of T1.5.

     

    Whether the long-term outlook for people with T1.5 is different than for folks with T1 hasn't been addressed, to the best of my knowledge, and that seems to be the most important question to me, as well as to folks with T1.5.

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  2. differences between type 1.5 diabetes and LADA
    Dr. Fran Cogen
    Monday, March 09, 2009 at 09:48 AM

    Hi Bill: I just wanted to comment re my thoughts about the differences between type 1.5 diabetes and LADA from the pediatric perspective. In our practice at Children's National, we deal with multiple types of diabetes: type 1 (autoimmune), type 1 (idiopathic), type 2, cystic fibrosis related diabetes, medication induced diabetes (steroids, chemotherapy) and type 1.5 diabetes. We define type 1.5 diabetes as characteristics of both type 1 and type 2 DM. Typically, our patients present phenotypically like type 2 (high BMI, obese, acanthosis nigricans etc.) along with autoimmunity with prescence of GAD-65 antibodies. They even can present in DKA. We try to treat with oral medication such as Metformin after stabilization; but often have to add insulin. So, it would seem to me that LADA would tend to present in the adult population whereas type 1.5 could present in either adult or pediatric patients. Just my thoughts.

    BTW, I love your posts.

    Fran Cogen

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    re: differences between type 1.5 diabetes and LADA
    Ann Bartlett
    Monday, March 09, 2009 at 10:30 AM

    Dr. Cogan,

    How often do you see type 1.5 in pediatrics?  And is it also on the rise?

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    re: re: differences between type 1.5 diabetes and LADA
    Dr. Fran Cogen
    Monday, March 09, 2009 at 12:55 PM

    Yes, Ann, it appears that type 1.5 is on the rise. These kids often "look" like type 2's in terms of obesity etc and can present initially in DKA.. or not. Upon evaluation of type 2 patients, we will get c-peptides and GAD-65 antibodies if we think they might be a type 1.5. We sort of treat them as hybrid patients: orals and if we must: insulin (usually Lantus or basal insulin) to start. I believe the rise in type 1.5 patients is associated with the rise in type 2 patients who have autoimmune features.

     

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  3. LADA here!
    Manny Hernandez
    Monday, March 09, 2009 at 12:06 PM

    As a LADA patient, thanks for writing about this very important topic, as LADA tends to be overlooked!

     

    Here is a video about LADA (or type 1.5 diabetes) I did a while back that goes well with your great post.

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    re: LADA here!
    Anonymous
    Thursday, March 12, 2009 at 01:08 PM

    I would like to second this comment.  After diagnosis, I must have heard "... but you aren't overweight, how can you have diabetes?" 50 times. If I hadn't had 2 brothers who had been diagnosed with LADA (and 1 brother with childhood onset type 1) , I probably would not have insisted on the antibody test.

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    re: re: LADA here!
    nannymm
    Thursday, March 12, 2009 at 02:11 PM

    Both my sister and I, ages 44 and 43, have been diagnosed with Type 2 within the past 3yrs. Neither one of us is obese; in fact we're both quite thin (5'4' and less than 110lbs). I had been diagnosed with gestational diabetes 30yrs ago but that resolved itself after delivery. Neither my sister nor I has ever heard of Type 1.5. We are both well controlled (A1C less than 5.6)  through diet, excercise and metformin. I also take januvia. Should we request additional testing?

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    re: re: re: LADA here!
    Dr. Bill Quick
    Thursday, March 12, 2009 at 02:49 PM

    Well, that fits with atypical onset for T2DM, so yes, I think you should talk to your physician about getting diabetes antibody testing (as should your sister!). If your doctor pooh-poohs this idea, perhaps you should ask for a referral to an endocrinologist.

     

    Hope this helps!

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    re: re: re: re: LADA here!
    nannymm
    Thursday, March 12, 2009 at 03:35 PM

    Thanks, Bill. I will be seeing my doctor next week and will definitely bring this up. She is generally very open to looking at different things so I don't anticipate any problems. Thanks for your input.

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  4. IT IS ABOUT TIME!!!!!
    Lanar
    Friday, March 13, 2009 at 04:28 AM

    I was diagnosed with T2 May of '07 wound up in the ER 07/08 and was told by the ER DR. that I was a T1.5  I thought the DR was crazy at first and then he explained exactly what you said in your article. I have been to the DRs Office many times since the ER and when I am asked what Type I am I say T1.5 and they have said to me there is no such thing, I am very confused and when thinking of all of the complications I have had in my 38 years I wonder if I have been Diabetic all along.  When ever I went to the DR my Husband would ask if they were going to test me for Diabetes and the DRs would say mind your business she not young enough for T1 and not old enough for T2 and not heavy enough for T2.  I am now on 5 insulin shots per day two shots of levemir and 3 shots of Novolog and I am still having a very hard time. Since I was started on the insulin I am gaining weight. I am very unhappy with the lack of knowledge from the DRs including the Endos

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  5. Type 1.5 diabetes
    steph
    Saturday, March 14, 2009 at 01:08 AM

    Just to comment, I was diagnosed with type two in Jan. 2005.   I was 59 years old, and didn't fit the profile of type 2. My AIC just kept going up and I didn't respond much to oral drugs.  I had a heart attack in May 2007. , then started Byetta,  which made me very sick.  The endocrinologist started me on insulin in 2008,and just now drew blood for GAD antibodies, which were positive. He sent me a copy with the notation: elevated antibodies against the insulin secreting cells of pancreas confirms type 1 diabetes.  I'm glad to know what I am, finally.

     

    My mother was also diagnosed with type 1 at age 50 in 1970 by an endo from the international diabetes center in Minneapolis.  Thanks

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