No Diabetes Supplement like Noni

David Mendosa Health Guide December 07, 2011
  • When the captain of the skiff who took me snorkeling off South Water Caye, an island of Belize in the Caribbean Sea on Thanksgiving Day, told me about the benefits to people with diabetes of a local fruit, I listened. While I was theoretically on vacation, I always think about my diabetes and how I c...

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  • Gretchen Becker
    Health Guide
    Dec. 10, 2011

    I think some of the folk cures (like nopal) simply contain a lot of soluble fiber. Others may contain natural sulfonylureas. An Indian diabetes site claimed that a lot of folk remedies worked by damaging the liver, so gluconeogenesis was inhibited, and gluconeogenesis is overactive in most people with diabetes. Others may work through the placebo effect.

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    I think some of the folk cures (like nopal) simply contain a lot of soluble fiber. Others may contain natural sulfonylureas. An Indian diabetes site claimed that a lot of folk remedies worked by damaging the liver, so gluconeogenesis was inhibited, and gluconeogenesis is overactive in most people with diabetes. Others may work through the placebo effect.

     

    We don't always know how prescription drugs work either, at least not in detail. But I'd rather stick with something that has been researched, even if much of the research has been done by Big Pharma, than with some "all natural" product with unknown properties.

     

    David is a good example of someone who lost a lot of weight with the help of a prescription drug, and as a result he can now control with no drugs at all.

     

    If you live in a developing country where the prescription drugs that we use are not available, then the folk remedies are probably better than nothing. Many Asians control with bitter melon, for example.

     

    But if we have a choice, I think we should do a lot of research before counting on some folk remedy.

    • Gretchen Becker
      Health Guide
      Dec. 10, 2011

      Here are a few research articles on noni. You can find more by searching on the formal name (Morinda citrifolia).

       

      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22011624

       

      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21297344

       

      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21119544

       

      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20981320

       

       

      At least someone *is* looking...

      RHMLucky777

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      Here are a few research articles on noni. You can find more by searching on the formal name (Morinda citrifolia).

       

      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22011624

       

      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21297344

       

      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21119544

       

      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20981320

       

       

      At least someone *is* looking into the product.

    • usmc2444
      Jan. 02, 2012

      i am presently taken a chinese herb, only take a half of a small pill lowers blood sugar in about three hours, but it does make me hungry.  i was interested in the comment about natural sulfonyylureas. i had the Doctor check my liver and for any heavy metals.  all came back okay would appreciate any comments on this  thanks  usmc 2444@aol.com...

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      i am presently taken a chinese herb, only take a half of a small pill lowers blood sugar in about three hours, but it does make me hungry.  i was interested in the comment about natural sulfonyylureas. i had the Doctor check my liver and for any heavy metals.  all came back okay would appreciate any comments on this  thanks  usmc 2444@aol.com

    • Gretchen Becker
      Health Guide
      Jan. 02, 2012

      I don't like to take a drug unless I know how it works, or at least how people think it works. Then I can decide if I think it's worth taking. With most of the natural supplements, there hasn't been much research on how they work.

    • Karen Vaughan MS LAc
      Jan. 03, 2012

      While I believe that serious illness should not be treated herbally without going to a qualified practitioner, herbs in serious traditions like Chinese medicine and Ayurveda have been used for far longer than pharmaceuticals.  I personally was cured of cellulitis, a very serious illness with a Chinese perscription that was created in the 500s.  None...

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      While I believe that serious illness should not be treated herbally without going to a qualified practitioner, herbs in serious traditions like Chinese medicine and Ayurveda have been used for far longer than pharmaceuticals.  I personally was cured of cellulitis, a very serious illness with a Chinese perscription that was created in the 500s.  None of my mother's'diabetes perscriptions have been along that long.  And we can have  only limited faith in pharmaceutical trials done by and for parties that financially benefit from them or continued research grants.

  • Karen Vaughan MS LAc
    Jan. 03, 2012

    When you look at herbal medicine, you first want to know how long the medicine has been used and in what form.  Then you need to know whether it would be given for someone with your constitutional issues in the medicine system that uses it.  You generally will end up with a medicine your DNA knows what to do with with a longer track record than most...

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    When you look at herbal medicine, you first want to know how long the medicine has been used and in what form.  Then you need to know whether it would be given for someone with your constitutional issues in the medicine system that uses it.  You generally will end up with a medicine your DNA knows what to do with with a longer track record than most pharmaceuticals.

     

    I work in Chinese Medicine and have treated patients herbally for 25 years.  Strong herbal teas or soups have been given for diabetes for thousands of years.  Traditional diabetes herbal formulas have been around even longer for Ayurvedic medicine since diabetes is more of an issue in that population.  In both cases they don't give the same treatment to all diabetics, they individualize it based upon constitutional factors and symptoms.  Someone who always feels hot would be given cooling herbs like the berberine-rich yellow herbs (insulin is cold.) Someone with daybreak diarrhea and undigested food might have ginger in their formula.  Someone who has dry skin and whose fluids no longer hydrate them would be given a different set of herbs. 

     

    Of course we aren't talking about taking about selecting herbs based on a health food store clerk's advice. A good clinical herbalist will have years of training- I have a 4 year postgraduate degree with clinical experience.  But I expect and see better results from herbs, dietary and lifestyle changes than with pharmaecuticals that end up being excreted unchanged and fouling our water table.

     

    Herbs are generally safe- so safe that the US government doesn't have a special category and lumps them in with deaths from eating houseplants.  We are talking maybe 47 deaths over a decade compared to 10-20,000 from NSAIDS like aspirin and Tylenol in a single year. (The 47 included kids trying to get high.) Sure there are botanical poisons, but no one sells them as diabetes cures.  And there are sales-driven bad information, like suggesting acai for weight loss when it is used indiginously to prevent starvation. But even so, in most years no one has a problem with the herbs.

     

    If you want to use herbs for diabetes, then find a qualified professional and make sure you change the herbs as your symptoms change. 

    • BoulderDiabetic
      Mar. 06, 2012

      I appreciate your comments!

    • herblady
      Dec. 02, 2012

      You are SO right. I have seen herbs (food) completely turn people's lives around numerous times where doctors couldn't help. Both my mother and mother in law died from pharma drugs.  Plus, look at the number of diabetics that have died from  diabetic drugs (while the makers of the drug knew about it but didn't take it off the market until they recouped...

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      You are SO right. I have seen herbs (food) completely turn people's lives around numerous times where doctors couldn't help. Both my mother and mother in law died from pharma drugs.  Plus, look at the number of diabetics that have died from  diabetic drugs (while the makers of the drug knew about it but didn't take it off the market until they recouped their money).  I find it interesting that people will put their faith in medicine when medicine creates so many life threatening side effects.

      Empirical evidence is what I will go with every time. Let's face it, people have used herbs since time began - thousands of years and that is what gives the experience to see if it works or not. For instance, valerian root was examined to see what they could take out of it and turn it into a chemical so they could sell it and make a profit. So they made a chemical drug called Valium. Only now you have all the side effects. Valerian does the same thing - you could grow it yourself for free and guess what... it's not addictive. It is living and has a life force like you - it feeds your nervous system so your body can heal itself. It has all the safe guards nature put into it. It you get too much for your body - you would either throw it up or have diarrhea - your body's own regulating safety net. Not like the medicines that will seriously harm or kill you.  People are so afraid of herbs but they will eat broccoli -it has cyanide in it, but when it's eaten in it's natural state all the safe guards are there.  Sure there are poisonous plants but through thousands of years - wisdom and word of mouth has prevailed. Most of the world uses herbs as their medicine.  I'm not saying all medicines are bad because they are not. However, most people are in the hospital because of drug interactions. Each drug has a list of potential serious side effects - then add another drug with that and then what do you have? An unknown reaction. Then add it to the other 4 drugs people take and you have a chemical soup cocktail. Do we really have to wonder why there are so many people not feeling well?

      Look up this info - MSG causes diabetes. It's true, they give it to mice to make them diabetic so they can do their research! Read your labels - and we wonder why there are more and more diabetics? 

      One last thing...for years AMA ridiculed Dr Atkins for helping people with diabetes, instead saying a high carb diet is the best thing for a diabetic ("a white potato will raise your BG as much as sugar so go ahead and eat it" - just take your insulin! Well guess what -it wasn't. I see cholesterol, blood sugar and triglyerides drop within normal levels on a low carb diet.  (For T2 diabetics) It is important to eat very low carb veggies with the protein.  Let's all get back to nature!

       

  • Anonymous
    mgauss
    Jan. 01, 2012

    What a fall.  If noni worked you'd have studies in 10 minutes.  5 minutes.  I am now unsubscribing as I see the weak mind in the mighty man that I thought was insightful.

  • jimmy
    Jan. 01, 2012

    is also used extensively in Chinese medicine.  I use it in a formula that is very effective for building strength before a workout.

     

    Remember that herbs can play a very important role indirectly in helping people control diabetes.

  • BoulderDiabetic
    Jan. 01, 2012

    David, Thanks again for this report.

     

    I'd like to point out however that stating "supplements are never standardized" is inaccurate and misleading. The issue of standardization is more complex.

     

    It's fact that many herbal supplement companies manufacture varieties of non standardized and standardized formulations, the latter showing what percentage...

    RHMLucky777

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    David, Thanks again for this report.

     

    I'd like to point out however that stating "supplements are never standardized" is inaccurate and misleading. The issue of standardization is more complex.

     

    It's fact that many herbal supplement companies manufacture varieties of non standardized and standardized formulations, the latter showing what percentage of the identified active ingredient the supplement contains.

     

    However, standardization still present many problems and uncertainties. Issues include the problem in the identification of the one hypothesized active constituent that is singled out for standardization among the hundreds of phytochemical interactive compounds potentially causing positive effect. For this reason herbalists correctly recommend liquid extractions of non standardized formulations that contain the potential benefits of the interaction and inclusion of the thousands of additional components provided in a whole herb extract.

     

    The standardization approach may at best only be considered a medical model protocal wrongly applied to attempt to evaluate other forms of possible beneficial alternative healing treatments. The allopathic western medicine approach has it's problems too of course, considering the many side effects of each and every medication, sometimes potentially fatal.

     

    There's still no perfect solution currently for predicting in advance, the beneficial effectiveness of medicines or herbal supplements unfortunately. In spite of all our modern day science research advancements, folklore remedies, hawthorne and placebo's effects, we cannot predict outcomes and must rely on post treatment evaluation.

     

    There are many other issues that make relying on supplements problematic and seemingly unsolveable at this moment in time. Here are a few links I found useful:


    Are standardized herbs better?

    http://www.chirofind.com/mpacms/at/article.php?id=27567

     

    Protocols on safety, efficacy, standardization and documentation of herbal medicine

    http://www.iupac.org/publications/pac/pdf/2008/pdf/8010x2195.pdf

     

    Choosing herbal products: http://www.herbsetc.com/Faqs/choosing_herbal_products.htm

     

    BTW, what were your pre and post blood sugar reading upon eating the noni fruit one time after snorkling? Would it have raised your blood sugar after ingestion? Even if your readings would have shown no change, would a daily intake of noni after snorkling over a period of time (say, three months) make a difference in your blood sugar, positively or negatively? Could your results be applied to other diabetics? I say, let's all get on a plane and test this hypothesis exemplified by your trial experiment.

  • BoulderDiabetic
    Jan. 01, 2012

    David, Thanks again for your report.

     

    I'd like to point out however that saying "supplements are never standardized" is inaccurate and misleading. The issue of standardization is more complex.

     

    It's fact that many herbal supplement companies manufacture varieties of non standardized and standardized formulations, the latter showing what percentage...

    RHMLucky777

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    David, Thanks again for your report.

     

    I'd like to point out however that saying "supplements are never standardized" is inaccurate and misleading. The issue of standardization is more complex.

     

    It's fact that many herbal supplement companies manufacture varieties of non standardized and standardized formulations, the latter showing what percentage of the identified active ingredient the supplement contains.

     

    However, standardization still present many problems and uncertainties. Issues include the problem in the identification of the one hypothesized active constituent that is singled out for standardization among the hundreds of phytochemical interactive compounds potentially causing positive effect. For this reason herbalists correctly recommend liquid extractions of non standardized formulations that contain the potential benefits of the interaction and inclusion of the thousands of additional components provided in a whole herb extract.

     

    The standardization approach may at best only be considered a medical model protocal wrongly applied to attempt to evaluate other forms of possible beneficial alternative healing treatments. The allopathic western medicine approach has it's problems too of course, considering the many side effects each and every medication, sometimes potentially fatal.

     

    There's still no perfect solution currently for predicting in advance, the beneficial effectiveness of medicines or herbal supplements unfortunately. In spite of all our modern day science research advancements, folklore remedies, hawthorne and placebo's effects, we cannot predict outcomes until post treatment evaluation.

     

    There are many other issues that make relying on supplements problematic and seemingly unsolveable at this moment in time. Here's a few links I found useful:


    Are standardized herbs better?

    http://www.chirofind.com/mpacms/at/article.php?id=27567

     

    Protocols on safety, efficacy, standardization and documentation of herbal medicine

    http://www.iupac.org/publications/pac/pdf/2008/pdf/8010x2195.pdf

     

    Choosing herbal products: http://www.herbsetc.com/Faqs/choosing_herbal_products.htm

     

    BTW, what were your pre and post blood sugar reading upon eating the noni fruit one time after snorkling? Would it have raised your blood sugar after ingestion? Even if your readings would have shown no change, would a daily intake of noni after snorkling over a period of time make a difference in your blood sugar, positively or negatively? Could your results be applied to other diabetics? I say, let's all get on a plane and test this hypothesis exemplefied by your trial experiment.

  • Anonymous
    Chmeee
    Dec. 07, 2011

    You should not apologise for being negative. The facts are what they are.There are no magical cures for diabetes - yet.... 

     

    There are also no superfoods / supplements we can take, for any pripose as far as we know. If superfoods, natural drugs etc existed, our ancestors - who were just as intelligent as we are - would have discovered them. As they...

    RHMLucky777

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    You should not apologise for being negative. The facts are what they are.There are no magical cures for diabetes - yet.... 

     

    There are also no superfoods / supplements we can take, for any pripose as far as we know. If superfoods, natural drugs etc existed, our ancestors - who were just as intelligent as we are - would have discovered them. As they did, for example, with willow bark, an extract of which we call aspirin.

     

    There is, at present, just hard work and adopting a low carb diet. Period. This works for dibetes, as you have shown.

     

    Now I will also no doubt attract a storm of adverse comment from people who swear by  whatever. But at least I wll be in good company. :)