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Pasta For Diabetics: FiberPasta Verses Dreamfields

By David Mendosa, Health Guide Thursday, November 29, 2007
They know a thing or two about pasta in Italy. And now an Italian company is poised to enter the American market with pasta for people with diabetes.This new pasta is coming from a company called Industria Prodotti Dietetici in the town of Monte San Vito, Italy. A 2001 decree of the Italian Ministry ...
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Anonymous
Jude
11/30/07 12:43am

VERY interesting! Always good to hear of new alternatives. But I'm still wondering about what I call 'the leftover factor'. With Dreamfields I cannot make a big pot to eat for several meals as only the first meal will be benign. This has happened with a tomato sauce based American chop suey and with mayo in pasta salad. As long as I eat it fresh cooked it is OK.

 

Anyone else experience this?

David Mendosa, Health Guide
12/31/07 10:31am

Dear Jude,

 

The CEO of Dreamfields Pasta just responded in detail to your excellent question. And he followed-up by authorizing me to post his response here:

 

            I am finally catching up on an e-mail response I have owed you concerning left over Dreamfields potentially causing higher blood glucose levels.

 

            As I mentioned to you earlier, we did some testing of left over Dreamfields and various storage and reheating methods when we first launched the product. I've gone back and reviewed our documentation from then and also from subsequent questions on this topic that have come into us by e-mail or the 800 number since then.

 

            First, the clinical testing we do on Dreamfields is performed on the pasta only, except in the case of lasagna. For lasagna, we first test the noodles prepared in water alone as directed on the package, and then again after cooking in the recipe provided on the package. The post- baking test is to determine if the sauce and baking make a difference to the digestible carbs, but this testing is still on the noodles only. We strip the sauce and cheese from the noodles before feeding. Our testing shows the lasagna noodles stay within the acceptable range of digestible carbs.

 

            We do not test leftovers that have the sauce and pasta mixed together. The variation in various sauce recipes both store-bought and homemade just does not make this practical. We have tested pasta alone stored overnight in airtight containers with a couple of teaspoons of water in the container to maintain moisture. Again our testing showed the leftovers to be within the acceptable range of digestible carbs. It should be pointed out however that keeping the pasta from drying out both during storage and reheating is very important. As the moisture content of the pasta drops the protective matrix will also begin to break down.

 

            It is possible that the ingredients in sauce may, over time degrade the carb protection matrix and therefore change the blood glucose response levels. We recommend the pasta and sauce be stored separately and then warmed separately and combined just before eating.

 

            Specifically to address your friend from the South Pacific, I suggest that if she wants to cook the pasta ahead of time that she store the pasta separate from other ingredients in an airtight container, with a couple of teaspoons of water in the container. I've also been told by a chef friend that using a drizzle of light vegetable oil to coat pre-cooked pasta is also a common practice. If reheating is required, warm the pasta separately, again with a little water, over medium heat in a covered pan and combine just before eating.

 

            I would be interested to hear if these suggestions help your friend.

 

 

Anonymous
Jude
12/31/07 6:06pm

Let me start the new year (which arrived here several hours ago)by playing devil's advocate. Or is that diabetics advocate?

 

First, the clinical testing we do on Dreamfields is performed on the pasta only,

Not a way the consumer is likely to eat it! except in the case of lasagna. For lasagna, we first test the noodles prepared in water alone as directed on the package, and then again after cooking in the recipe provided on the package. The post- baking test is to determine if the sauce and baking make a difference to the digestible carbs, but this testing is still on the noodles only. We strip the sauce and cheese from the noodles before feeding. Our testing shows the lasagna noodles stay within the acceptable range of digestible carbs.

But WHAT is acceptable? Does he carefully avoid the actual numbers because they are higher than the advertised ones? What might be acceptable to lab techs and marketers might not be acceptable to the diabetic consumer or their care providers.

And via what testing? Did they test actual results on diabetics - at what time intervals? Or just in labs with test tubes and all, which may not be replicated in the human digestive system? Especially in a recalcitrant diabetic system.

On their website it says "A clinical testing method utilizing healthy human subjects is used"

Are diabetics considered ‘healthy' subjects? Or are they testing on folks less likely than us to see an effect from most any food?

Also are the ‘clinical methods' comparable to typical life patterns?

 

We do not test leftovers that have the sauce and pasta mixed together. The variation in various sauce recipes both store-bought and homemade just does not make this practical. Well, the variations in how the consumer will eat the pasta initially are just as diverse. Surely they don't expect it to be eaten alone! Shouldn't they at least test the leftover effect on the recipes they offer at their website? We have tested pasta alone stored overnight in airtight containers with a couple of teaspoons of water in the container to maintain moisture. Again our testing showed the leftovers to be within the acceptable range of digestible carbs. It should be pointed out however that keeping the pasta from drying out both during storage and reheating is very important. As the moisture content of the pasta drops the protective matrix will also begin to break down.

So basically the ONLY way they test the pasta is ALONE which is scarcely the way the consumer will be eating it. Why not test common recipes for both immediate and leftovers effect? Leftovers in mayo or tomato sauce are highly unlikely to dry out - but do become tastier as the ingredients blend!

 

It is possible that the ingredients in sauce may, over time degrade the carb protection matrix and therefore change the blood glucose response levels. We recommend the pasta and sauce be stored separately and then warmed separately and combined just before eating.

So he admits it MAY in fact be a problem. If this stuff is just tested in a lab not in human field trials with the most likely consumers then the tests truly don't tell us much. Look at what is being found out about actual use with diet sodas for instance.

Is this why he doesn't test the leftover effect of food combos a consumer would likely eat? So he doesn't have to say he knows it IS a problem?

Well either way, for the likes of me his approach is too much work. Those of us who constantly have to watch our diets spend enough time and energy focused on food without having to add extra steps to something that should be quick and easy - ie: leftovers.

 

Specifically to address your friend from the South Pacific, I suggest that if she wants to cook the pasta ahead of time that she store the pasta separate from other ingredients in an airtight container, with a couple of teaspoons of water in the container. I've also been told by a chef friend that using a drizzle of light vegetable oil to coat pre-cooked pasta is also a common practice. If reheating is required, warm the pasta separately, again with a little water, over medium heat in a covered pan and combine just before eating.

Which means two pans and processes vs shoving a portion in the microwave. And especially with pasta salad that essentially means starting from scratch for each meal.

 

I would be interested to hear if these suggestions help your friend.

Not really because:

1 - what I'm getting from this is that they really haven't tested this out and apparently don't intend to. If things aren't tested out in real life usage one really can't be at all certain what the human diabetic system will actually do.

2 - his suggestions put the burden on the consumer who can find easier ways to avoid all the extra work. I want to confine my 'cooking' to once or twice a week and in between grab a quick and simple portion of leftover - or eat raw. The only ‘cooking' I'm really willing to do daily is a fruit, tofu, chia shake and fixing chilled tea.

I find it easier to just revert to using lots of veggies and no pasta.

Crabmeat and broccoli salad works fine without the pasta as does American chop suey with scads of mushrooms, eggplant and tofu vs pasta.

David Mendosa, Health Guide
12/31/07 6:17pm

Dear Jude,

 

Thanks for you comments. I passed them on to the

Dreamfields Pasta CEO just now.

 

David 

Anonymous
arline handin
11/30/07 10:31pm
My blood sugar soars after eating Dreamfields just like it would with regular pasta
Anonymous
nonegiven
12/ 1/07 4:33pm
ditto, it just takes longer to go up and it stays up a while.  I'll stick with spaghetti squash
12/ 5/07 8:59am

Based on your preference, I've tried something similar:

 

I take a few tablespoons of olive oil and slightly less butter and heat it in my nice stainless pan. I add around 4 cloves of freshly minced garlic (sometimes more, sometimes less) and sautee it for a few minutes and then toss it with a whole box of Dreamfields pasta in a bowl, then top with the shredded parm and sometimes the red pepper flakes.

 

My problem is, I have made this several times over the past few days since you posted this, and I'm trying to figure out the right balance between oil, butter, and garlic. A few times I have made this it was SPECTACULAR, but then a few other times pretty bland. Since I never measure anything, I don't always get the same mix. Maybe I should measure everytime I try until I find the perfect balance and write it down.

 

Hmm, a nice dinner might be grilled chicken breast, some roasted asparagus, and some pasta. How does that sound? 

David Mendosa, Health Guide
12/ 5/07 10:51am

Dear Christopher,

 

Your proposed meal sounds wonderful! And with the Dreamfields I don't know if you have to start measuring everything, but I have a couple of suggestions. You mention that you cook up the whole box full of Dreamfields. That's a lot. Try cooking just 4 oz. at a time. That's double the portion size, but still small by my standards earlier (and apparently by yours too). But it's enough to satisfy. Those 4 cloves of garlic ought to spice it up really nicely! I love garlic and have been satisfied with 2 cloves (although I am also using much less Dreamfields). I haven't been using butter, but it's a great idea, now that I'm low-carbing. By the way, a double portion of Dreamfields has only 10 available carb grams, within anyone's definition of a low-carb meal. 

12/ 5/07 2:04pm
Well David, I don't eat the whole box! My wife and kids help too! But yes, a whole pound would be a lot for just one person.
David Mendosa, Health Guide
12/ 5/07 2:15pm
Dear Christopher, You had me worried for a while!
12/ 5/07 3:32pm

So, today before school I made some pasta to take with me for lunch. I didn't measure exactly what I brought since I made the whole box, but I imagine it was somewhere between 2-3 servings, since I feel pretty stuffed.

 

I ate one hour ago, and my blood sugar was 101 (higher than where I want to be, but better than it has been lately). I just checked right now, and it is 100. I'm sure 2-3 servings of regular pasta would have me well beyond 200 right now. 

David Mendosa, Health Guide
12/ 5/07 3:46pm

Dear Christopher,

 

Great. And it's especially great because it means that you aren't highly insulin resistant (I'm pretty sure that the people who can't eat a normal serving of Dreamfields without going sky high are quite insulin resistant). You can bounce back to a normal A1C -- if you aren't already there. 

Anonymous
Anne
12/ 5/07 11:38pm
I too never got any good bs after eating dreamfield pasta.  I would eat about 3/4 of a cup with some grated romano cheese and a little butter and my read out would be over 250.  My bs has actually gone up 150 points after eating pasta!  Just another case of no two diabetics being alike.  When I want pasta now, I bolus about 20 units of Novolog and enjoy a small plate with a tiny bit of homemade organic sf sauce.  It just works and I eat the real stuff which is better  tasting anyways.  That way my bs is level. Then I have some homemade blueberry wine and forget it.  I take a walk or a nap, play some Sinatra and Dean Martin, maybe meditate and wish for a cure.

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By David Mendosa, Health Guide— Last Modified: 10/11/11, First Published: 11/29/07