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Curing Diabetes

by  David Mendosa
Thursday, February 28, 2008
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After earning a B.A. with honors from the University of California,...

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"I was watching some doctors on TV recently where a couple of overweight people with diabetes had three months to see whether they could reduce their weight through good nutrition and exercise," Gita in Australia emailed me this wee...
  1. regenerating beta cells
    Little Sue
    Friday, February 29, 2008 at 10:57 AM

    I've wondered about this for a while but the latest research news has made me wonder again.  

     

    Someone with Type I diabetes had their beta cells destroyed by their immune system - OK so far.  But do they just not produce any more beta cells?  Or does their immune system continue destroying the new ones?  If the latter, how long does this develop/destroy cycle continue?   I'm asking because mine were initially destroyed over 30 years ago!   

     

    I'm guessing maybe the immune system would still recognise any new beta cells, because those who receive transplanted cells need to take immunosuppressive drugs, but I'd like to know more. 

     

    Surely research should be concentrating on getting rid of the specific antibodies to the beta cells, rather than trying to suppress the whole immune system (inherently risky) or fool it by coating transplanted cells?

     

    Thanks


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    re: regenerating beta cells
    David Mendosa
    Friday, February 29, 2008 at 11:17 AM

    Dear Little Sue,

     

    Great questions! You hit on the special problem of type 1s that I didn't deal with enough. Yes, in types 1s even when beta cells regenerate your immune system mistakes them for foreign bodies and very efficiently destroys them and will keep on destroying them. So far, all that we have to control those misguided antibodies are immunosuppressive drugs. A whole lot of work is going on in this area, however. The drugs used in the Edmonton Protocol by Dr. James Shapiro and his associates were less toxic than the standard ones, and even more research has been going foreward since then.

     

    Best regards,

     

    David 


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    re: re: regenerating beta cells
    Little Sue
    Friday, March 07, 2008 at 04:22 PM

    Thanks for your reply David.

    I'm glad to hear plenty of research is being done in this area.  As I see it, until we can stop the immune system destroying new beta cells, all the work on transplanting islet cells (from whatever source) is futile - only marginally better than replacing the missing insulin as we do now. 

     

    The only absolute 'cure' for type I would be getting rid of those darn genes :-(

     

     


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  2. insulin resistance
    nonegiven
    Friday, February 29, 2008 at 01:05 PM

    You may not be able to eliminate insulin resistance entirely just by losing weight. 

    In this study they tested lean children whose
    parents had diabetes and found they were already
    insulin resistant but were not yet diabetic.
    http://tinyurl.com/2bt48x which is:
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=12761455
    quoting:
    "RESULTS: The subjects did not differ in
    anthropometric measurements, and all had normal
    glucose tolerance according to WHO criteria.
    Offspring of type 2 diabetic parents were markedly
    more hyperinsulinemic (p<0.05) and insulin
    resistant (p<0.005). The ratio of the increase in
    insulin to the increase in glucose during the
    first 30 minutes of the OGTT, a crude index of
    first-phase insulin secretion, did not differ
    between groups."


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  3. remission or controlled
    Jude
    Friday, February 29, 2008 at 01:56 PM

    I too have normal scores now and near normal weight. But I would not say I'm in remission. I say I'm well controlled. All I have to do to see those numbers jump is to relax that control. When (if ever) I can have the freedom to eat what I want, when I want and skip regular exercise with no effect on those numbers then I might say remission.

    To my way of thinking, to say in remission or cured is to lull those of us who need the super vigilance into a false sense of safety and laxity that would put our Diabetes and weight into a yo-yo pattern which is definitely not good for us.


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    re: remission or controlled
    David Mendosa
    Friday, February 29, 2008 at 03:20 PM

    Dear Jude,

     

    Excellent point! None of us can relax our vigilance about what and how much we eat and how much we exercise.

     

    Best regards,

     

    David 


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  4. Untitled Comment
    Peg
    Friday, February 29, 2008 at 08:25 PM

    Thank you for this article.  This answers my question.  I was diagnosed about a year ago, but just started on metformin last month.  I thought if everything was ok that I didn't really have diabetes (type 2).  But it certainly makes sense that being under control doesn't mean it isn't there and that you are "cured". Guess it was wishful thinking.

     


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  5. Regrowing Beta cells.
    Ballot
    Saturday, March 01, 2008 at 02:07 AM

    Thanks for the message concerning the question of cure and Diabetes. I think this is great motivation for all of us to achieve good control.

     

    What about a non fasting C-peptide test to determine over time whether there was an increase in the numbers which would show evidence of regrowing beta cells?

     

    John Dodson 


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    re: Regrowing Beta cells.
    David Mendosa
    Saturday, March 01, 2008 at 09:37 AM

    Dear John,

     

    I don't know about the C-peptide test. Over the years I have looked into it several times. I know that Dr. Joe likes it, but the more I read about it the more confused I get. Just a few days ago when I got back with Dr. Jeff Gerber again, he talked about it. What discouraged me about C-peptide testing in that talk was when he said that it could tell only whether we were producing beta cells or not. That it couldn't tell the amount of them. He wants me to have a C-peptide test, but if its lack of discrimination is true, I don't see the point.

     

    Best regards,

     

    David 


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    re: re: Regrowing Beta cells.
    Ballot
    Saturday, March 01, 2008 at 12:09 PM
    As I understand it a C peptide test results in a number, like my first number was 1.5 that established the base line. My second number was 3.1 a gain and an indication that beta cells were regrowing. I will find out what my 3rd. number is on Tuesday and will let you know. Dr Joe seems to think that it indicates Beta cell growth. I know I had very little beta cells when I began Byetta. I was on 140 units of Lantus and the day I began taking Byetta I ceased all insulin, that was 2 and 1/2 years ago. I haven't taken a bit of insulin since. John
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    re: re: re: Regrowing Beta cells.
    David Mendosa
    Sunday, March 02, 2008 at 12:51 PM

    Dear John,

     

    Very interesting. Please let us know what your third number is. And if you get a chance to ask Dr. Joe, I really need to know why some doctors use fasting C-peptide testing and others non-fasting. Does he have any definitive medical literature supporting its use to determine beta cell growth? I haven't found anything that explains it to my satisfaction.

     

    Best regards,

     

    David 


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    re: re: re: re: Regrowing Beta cells.
    Ballot
    Sunday, March 02, 2008 at 07:55 PM
    Joe sez that non fasting C-peptide indicates more accurately the regrowth of beta cells than the fasting. In non fasting you get the action of the pancreas as it is responding to food. So the numbers are higher than  fasting and would almost appear normal if you didn't know it was a non fasting test. I will ask him for a clearer explanation on Tuesday and share it here with those who are following this discussion. I will also ask him if he has any literature. John
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  6. Curing Diabetes
    Mel
    Saturday, March 01, 2008 at 04:49 AM

    I am also "cured"...same condition as you, but, I did not take insulin shots.  My insulin level is also level, so, I am unlike what you suggest...my pancrease is not producing above normal insulin to increase my sensitivity.

     

    Anyway, does a normal level of insulin suggest that I am "cured"?

     

     


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    re: Curing Diabetes
    David Mendosa
    Saturday, March 01, 2008 at 09:30 AM

    Dear Mel,

     

    I never took insulin shots either. While your (and my) insulin levels are normal, that absolutely does not mean that we are cured. Eternal vigilance!

     

    Best regards,

     

    David 


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    re: re: Curing Diabetes
    Mel
    Sunday, March 02, 2008 at 05:11 AM

    Thanks for your advice...eternal vigilance is my mantra!  I have complete blood work done by my doctor every 2 to 3 months, exercies almost everyday, keep a constant watch on my diet and weight and use my home blood test for glucose levels at least twice weekly.  My question is how much confidence can I have in my home test meter?

     

    I really appreciate your help and all the work you do keep us diabetics up to date with informtion and some good common sense advice.

     

    Thank you from the bottom of my heart!!!

     

    Mel


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    re: re: re: Curing Diabetes
    David Mendosa
    Sunday, March 02, 2008 at 01:06 PM

    Dear Mel,

     

    How confident can you be in the accuracy of your BG meter? My answer is "a little."

     

    One of my biggest gripes is with the accuracy of our meters. Well, I should say that it really is with the FDA's lack of standards for accuracy. Legally, in spite of what people may tell you that meters have to be accuracy within 10% plus or minus, there are really no standards for BG meter accuracy in this country. If you doubt that, please see my article at http://mendosa.com/diabetes_update_39.htm#Accuracy

     

    The meter companies, therefore, have in general little incentive to develop an accurate meter. They are just not sexy enough to sell. They advertise some other stuff, like speed, small blood sample, no need to calibrate, etc. Those things are easier for us to understand.

     

    If your meter is more than a year old, replace it. Even the limited accuracy of your existing meter doesn't last.

     

    If your test strips are nearly expired -- note that I do NOT write "expired" but rather "nearly expired" -- use new ones. They contribute majorly to inaccuracy, as the CDC people demonstrated in an article that I wrote for Diabetes Health magazine.

     

    In my book, the most accurate meter is the AgaMatrix KeyNote. Please see "A is for Accuracy" at http://www.healthcentral.com/diabetes/c/17/9189/accuracy/

     

    Best regards,

     

    David 


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  7. off byetta?
    Mike Bullard
    Saturday, March 01, 2008 at 11:58 AM

    Read and really appreciate your columns. Very educational a great supplement to regular doctor visits, etc.

     

    Somewhere in your history I missed where you are now OFF Byetta. I had read many of your comments about how thrilled you were ON the drug, but missed the fact that you stopped taking it. Do I have that information correct?

     

    While that is terrific news for you, can you either provide a link to where you wrote about how/why you explain how you got off the drug or maybe give some bullets here?

     

    thanks!


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    re: off byetta?
    David Mendosa
    Sunday, March 02, 2008 at 10:02 AM

    Dear Mike,

     

    Good question. Byetta was a wonder drug for me. So good that I don't need it any more. It let me control my hunger, which led to weight gain and all the other problems that go with it. As an experiment to see if I could live without any diabetes medication I have begun to eat a very low-carb diet -- which also controls hunger. For most people, eating low-carb is more difficult that taking Byetta, so I still am very much of a believer in that drug.

     

    Best regards,

     

    David 


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  8. diabetes 2 - mine has reversed --
    rita pritchard
    Sunday, March 02, 2008 at 07:57 PM
    I was diagnosed diabetes 2  about 2 years ago - and by adding more exercise - -losing 68 inches (FYI:  muscle weighs 3 x more than your fat so use your tape measure and dump your scale in the recycling) and adding some great supplements -- I've been keeping things in check for at least the past six months -- which means no oral medications -- but I do meter check at least 3 x a day -- I follow a pretty strict food plan - genetic key which combines low glycemic and some stricter measures -- including portion control etc etc but it is working for me which has the HMO resident shocked - but as University of Sydney in Australia has done most of the "glycemic" rating of foods -- since most the females in my maternal family have diabetes 2 -- but as I spent some time with them over the holidays -- even the 1 cousin with a gastric bypass is eating things that I no longer will put on my plate or have in my pantry and I've lost more inches than she has and my skin is shrinking and won't need surgery reduction-- it is a choice--I love my urban rebounder for "dancing" on to my favorite music and a rock and roller I found for $15 (that was in its original box with original paperwork etc.) sold at a garage sale -- and my pilates machine gets used almost daily and no longer is a clothes hanger!!!  I never touch diet sodas EVER -- any beverage with artificial ingredients can form benzene when exposed to heat and/or light at higher levels than they will let you drink in water -- I drink a lot of water with fresh mint in it -- or slices of cucumber and/or lime/lemon -- it is delish!! 
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    re: diabetes 2 - mine has reversed --
    David Mendosa
    Sunday, March 02, 2008 at 08:53 PM

    Dear Rita,

     

    Excellent! Like you, I drink a lot of water, often sparkling water. Never thought to add mint, which I have, but I regularly use a bit of pure lemon juice without any sweetener. That took a little getting used to, but I agree that it's delish!

     

    Best regards,

     

    David 


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  9. Untitled Comment
    Tina Seiler
    Tuesday, March 04, 2008 at 02:26 AM

     Hi Dave,

     Just wondering why would you stop taking Byetta if you believe it will regrow beta cells, don't you want as many of the little suckers as you can get? I too wonder if I can stop all drugs I am on, highblood pressure medicine when I never had high blood pressure. Cholesterol meds when I have lost 50 pounds and cholesterol is down. Metformin, Byetta, Niaspan, Iron, Altace, Baby Asprin, Crestor. Can you believe I just turned 40!!!! Doc's, endro and cartio say keep on drugs thats why you are doing so well, but at what point do you get to reap the rewards by tossing the drugs out? Just rambling on while I go through my Niaspan flush!

    Tina


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    re: Untitled Comment
    David Mendosa
    Tuesday, March 04, 2008 at 10:51 AM

    Good question. I am guessing and hoping that two years of Byetta has replenished my supply of those little suckers.

     

    Best regards,

     

    David 


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  10. byetta
    DONNA
    Tuesday, April 08, 2008 at 02:21 PM
    I was diagnosed with type 2 this past Feb. 2008.  I have lost 25 pounds already and I think my numbers are right, maybe a little low but i don't really know. doctor told me today that she wanted me to use 5mg dose this month and then which it to 10mg dose, why? thats my question.....why higher dose? any answer for me? thank you
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    re: byetta
    David Mendosa
    Tuesday, April 08, 2008 at 02:34 PM

    Dear Donna,

     

    That is exactly the normal way to take Byetta. You take the smaller dose at first to get used to it. The 10mcg dose later is the best dose to control your blood glucose and your appetite.

     

    David 


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    re: re: byetta
    DONNA
    Tuesday, April 08, 2008 at 02:39 PM
    Could you tell me where my "numbers" are suppose to be, sometimes when they get in the 80's i start feeling sick and get headaches....normal??? ty
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    re: re: re: byetta
    David Mendosa
    Tuesday, April 08, 2008 at 04:06 PM

    Dear Donna,

     

    A blood glucose level in the 80s is actually excellent. Couldn't be better -- except for the way you feel! The problem is that when you have been runing high numbers for a long time and then get down to a normal level, your body takes some time to adjust to it.

     

    Still, there's at least one other consideration. While BG levels in the 80s are normal, you don't want to go much lower and have a hypo. Byetta alone won't cause hypos. But some other medication that you may be taking -- especially insulin or one of the sulfs -- can make you go hypo. If you are taking one of these medications, you may want to discuss dropping it with your doctor. 


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