Friday, May, 09, 2008

Publicizing Coffee Research

by  Gretchen Becker
Monday, March 24, 2008
Not long ago, a study was published that showed that drinking coffee increased blood glucose (BG) levels in people with type...
  1. Tumour necrosis factor and IR
    Nicky
    Wednesday, March 26, 2008 at 12:48 PM
    Thanks, Gretchen - you've just solved a puzzle for me; why my Dad has what looks very like peripheral neuropathy with no signs of elevated bg. I wonder if the arthritis drugs he's on - which include tumor necrosis factor - are to blame.
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    re: Tumour necrosis factor and IR
    Gretchen Becker
    Wednesday, March 26, 2008 at 02:18 PM

    I doubt that your father is taking TNF. He's probably taking a TNF inhibitor, which should actually improve any type 2. But you say he doesn't have diabetes.

     

    There are various non-diabetes causes of neuropathy, but I confess this is not something I know a lot about.

     

     


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    re: re: Coffee and BG
    Joe G
    Wednesday, March 26, 2008 at 06:42 PM

     

       I don't know what the long term effects of drinking

    coffee are( does anyone?). But I have my 1 1/2 cups

    in the morning and never noticed any immediate effect

    on BGs. Although using flavored coffees does seem to have

    some deffect. Of course caffiene  has other effects,

    but probably more positive than negative.

     


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    re: re: re: Coffee and BG
    Gretchen Becker
    Wednesday, March 26, 2008 at 08:03 PM

    I don't think anyone knows the long-term effects of coffee drinking. We do know that people adapt to it.

     

    There are receptors on your cells that bind a chemical called adenosine. When the receptors bind adenosine, you get sleepy. The caffeine binds the same receptors and keeps the adenosine from binding, so you don't get sleepy and feel pumped.

     

    But the body doesn't take this lying down, so to speak, and the cells simply produce more adenosine receptors. After a while, you need to drink coffee just to have normal alertness. You're addicted.

     

    For me, coffee triggers heartburn, so I now have to limit the amount I drink. But for years I drank a lot, up to the equivalent of 16 cups a day [8 cups of double-strength]. I always drank it black, no sugar.


     


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    re: re: re: re: Coffee and BG
    haypops
    Thursday, March 27, 2008 at 06:51 PM

    http://www.toddycafe.com/cbinfo/

     

    Like you, my wife has heartburn problems with coffee.  We have been very pleased with the cold brew coffee system described at the link above.


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    re: re: re: re: re: Coffee and BG
    Gretchen Becker
    Thursday, March 27, 2008 at 09:11 PM
    Thanks. I've tried those cold-water things, and the taste wasn't right for me.
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  2. the latest scare story
    Aggie
    Friday, April 11, 2008 at 10:32 AM

    Have you seen the latest study that claims that eggs are killers, particularly for diabetics?  According to the study, men who eat more than 6 or 7 eggs a week are more likely to die younger than men who eat only 1 egg per week. What is curious is that, the deaths are not from cardiovascular disease, and yet, one of their conclusions is that the negative effects of eating eggs is related to their cholesterol content. Huh?

     

    I have never been convinced there is a connection between cholesterol levels and heart disease anyway. A lot of what passes for gospel truth in medicine is bogus, and there are many poor studies that postulate all kinds of things.

     

    In another comment, I mentioned the book The Last Well Person by Nortin Hadler, MD.  It is a provocative look at our over-medicalized society and challenges much of the testing and treatment regimens that are pushed on all of us.

     

    It pretty much comes down to I don't know what to believe any more.


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    re: the latest scare story
    Gretchen Becker
    Friday, April 11, 2008 at 01:10 PM
    You're not alone. I did a blog post on the problems of some of the studies that the newspapers blow up with sensational headlines: 
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    re: re: the latest scare story
    Joe G
    Saturday, April 12, 2008 at 07:06 PM

      The media does like to report sensational stories, even unexpected results of studies,

      but the real problem is the quality of the studies themselves. Even many published in

      "respectable" medical journals- how "scientific"  are they really?

     Many of these studies are not even carried out using the double-blinded, placebo controlled methodology. Almost always on small sample sizes. Most are "sponsered"

     by pharmacuttical companies and directed towards obtaining the "desired"

     result, or positive review of a product.

        The scientific method has historically been used to discover "new" things

    about our world. Let's face it, most so called "medical" studies are not science,

    and doctors are not scientists in the historical sense. Few have ever been

    trained in the scientific method.

       I'll finish by saying that if medical journals want to do science, they should

    REPEAT every published study, with their own team of independent experts

    and real scientists (probably from areas, other than medicine).

     


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    re: re: re: the latest scare story
    Gretchen Becker
    Saturday, April 12, 2008 at 09:06 PM
    There are a lot of things that would be nice. The problem is that the money for research is limited. Where would we like to have our tax dollars go (much research that isn't sponsored by drug companies, which aren't unbiased, comes from government)? Toward a definitive answer about a small increase/decrease in diabetes risk from drinking coffee or from eating 7 eggs a week or toward a new understanding of the basic biochemistry of the disease that might lead to new treatments? Me, I'd vote for the latter.
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    re: re: re: re: the latest scare story
    Joe G
    Sunday, April 13, 2008 at 03:47 PM

     My point was that too many so-called "scientific" studies are published

     by the respectable medical journals, without the thorough checks and

     balances that are needed, to give the results any real meaning. Medicine has

    moved into the statistical field, whole heartly to justify ...whatever,

    without much knowledge or training in the valid application of statistics.

    I think even pollsters know a lot more about this field than so-called

    "medical researchers". At least they get the results right more often.

       I am not suggesting that these meaningless studies be carried out

    or supported by government. I just think we take them too seriously-

    as if they provided all the answers to our problems.

      It is well known in science that just one study, even when carried out

    perfectly cannot prove anything. It can only point toward a direction

    for further investigation. If ten other independent truly scientific studies

    lead to the same or very similar results, THEN it may mean something.

                            Regards,

                             Joe


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  3. which must be healthy because they taste so awful...
    Paul
    Friday, April 18, 2008 at 05:00 PM

    That's one of my own bugaboos, the other is the mindless assumption that "natural" is good and "artificial" bad.  Arsenic is perfectly natural but I'm unlikely to start taking it as a supplement, and Insulin injections, if my type II gets that bad, may be artificial, but I plan to get over my dislike of needles really... really quick when the day comes.

     

    http://anotherpoorslob.blogspot.com
       


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