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Daytime incontinence

By Anna Sunday, February 01, 2009

Our son Alexander is 10 years old and has severe incontinence problems. He wears cloth diapers and plastic pants to bed and it is no big problem for him. However he suffers from daytime bladder and bowel incontinence too which is a much bigger problem for him. To cope with his daytime problem he wears diapers during shopping trips and car trips, to family and birthday parties, to the cinema etc. - but also under his snowsuit when he is out playing. When he is not in diapers he wears training pants as a just-in-case protection. He is not happy about being in diapers during the day but he has accepted it as necessary as long as he has wetting and messing accidents.

 

Recently he has started to have more accidents in his training pants and we have discussed to put him in diapers full time - however we are not sure whether it will be a good idea because it may not encourage him to try to use the toilet. Futhermore he will not be happy about being in diapers all the time - sometimes he is a little embarrased about being in diapers and he feels that training pants are more like underpants. On the other hand diapers are a much better solution for him as long as he has more accidents in his pants than times where he reaches the toilet. Although training pants offers more protection than normal underpants they cannot cope with big wetting or messing accidents and often they leak a lot. Of cause Alexander is not happy about that and often he cries when it happens. Diapers on the other hand offer him full protection and they are much more comfortable for him when he wets or messes.

 

/Anna

Anonymous
Anonymous
2/ 3/09 7:04pm

What medical condition does he have? Heavy daytime incontinence at age 10 almost definitely indicates a problem. It sounds like he has never been in real underware his whole life. Putting him in diapers 24/7 will most likely cause him to lose whatever control he has, but at this point it sounds like he has very little to lose. It is pretty hard for an adult to try to refasten a diaper after toileting. For a 10 year old you would pretty much have to help him and by the time you get the diaper off it will probably be too late. I would just tell him that many adults use diapers 24/7 and because his incontinence is so severe it is also the best option for him. Be honest and warn him that it will probably be forever but a lot of people have the same problem.

2/ 4/09 3:26pm

Alexander has been diagnosed with a very weak control of his bladder and his bowels. The nerves between his bladder and bowels and his brain is not so well developed as they should. We have been told that he probably will suffer from incontinence problems for the rest of his life but maybe he gains more control when he gets older. Besides that he has been diagnosed with Aspergers which may contribute to his incontinence problems. 

 

He has only been in real underwair for very short periods of time and with no succes. For some years ago we decided to take him out of diapers and training pants during a summer holiday but after a week where we had to change his clothes 5-7 times every day we gave up.

 

/Anna 

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Anonymous
2/ 5/09 7:59pm

It doesn't look like he is gaining more control as he is getting older, so I would not feel bad if I was you about putting him back in diapers full time. Of course he fells like it would be a let down so you have to let him know it is not. Tell him he still need to work on independent "social continence", the capability to manage the problem himself by learning to change diapers and clean himself up. Most parents lavish great praise on toilet training goals and instill pride in their kids that way. You simply need to replace that praise and pride by setting goals and rewards on independent social continence. Yes he will always need to wear diapers, but being able to clean himself up especially after a bowel accident is also worthy of praise in his case since he is disabled.

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Anna
2/11/09 4:17am

Thanks for the advice. Since Sunday morning he has been in diapers full time. We have tried to tell him that it is the best for him to be in diapers during the day too. After a lot of crying he seems to have accepted it now. 

 

You are right about setting up the right goals for Alexander. So far we have been very focused on the goal of having him toilet trained the day. However, with no success at all.

 

The first new goal will be to have him tell us everytime he has had an accident and needs his diaper changed. As it is now he never ask for a diaper change when he has had an accident in his diaper. If we ask him he often denies it even when everyone can smell it and sometimes i have to change him under tearfull protests. 

 

Next step will be to have him take care of his own diaper changes but i fear there is a long way until we reach that goal.

 

/Anna

Anonymous
Melissa
2/11/09 3:46pm

Hi Anna,

    You are not alone.  We have an 11 y/o daughter with Asperger's, high functioning, but who also has bladder.  She has never had anytime bladder control whatsoever.  I would recommend switching over to disposables for many reasons.  Maybe it is not environmentally the best, but changing is easier, it is easier to dispose of, and with buying in bulk you will save money.  There is ZERO reason to persist with cloth and it just adds a lot of complications I think.  Since he has Asperger's, he is high functioning enough that once he gets a little older and can do better with bowel control you can hopefully also start getting him to change himself.  We still do all our daughter's changes but hope she can start being more responsible over time.

   You said he cries when put in diapers or when it gets uncomfortable which is a good sign.  Our daughter could stay in the same wet diaper all day long and not care!  We still need to frequently check her ourselves...sigh.

Hope this helps!!

2/21/09 8:40am

Hi Melissa,

 

Thanks for your answer.

 

We use cloth diapers because Alexander gets diaper rash when he is in disposable diapers for a longer periode of time. Sometimes he uses disposable diapers when we are travelling or in other cases where cloth diapers are difficult to handle - but never for more than 1-2 days. Furthermore Alexander seems to prefer cloth diapers because they are more comfy for him to wear and i think he considers them to be less babyish too.

 

/Anne 

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Melissa
2/25/09 5:22pm

Anna,

 

     Any luck so far on getting Alexander to start to signal when he needs a diaper change?  I know it can get frustrating sometimes.  Our daughter has no problem sitting in a wet diaper all day long.  We still need to regularly do diaper checks and make sure she is not soaked.

     That is great that he at least is more accepting of the cloth diapers and does not find them as babyish as disposable ones.  I guess you found one that is more neutral, not babyish and discreet?  Our daughter doesn't seem to care about babyishness on the part of her diapers.  But she has certain behaviours or patterns that are regressive (part of her ASD).  For example, she still takes a paci in order to get to sleep at night.  Is Alexander otherwise a high-functioning Asperger's kid except for the bladder/bowel problems?

3/ 4/09 2:47pm

Hi Melissa,

 

So far we have had no luck getting Alexander to signal when he needs a diaper change. Even after he has messed in his diaper he continues to play without saying anything and it is very frustrating. So we have to check him regulary.

 

Alexander goes to a special school for mentally handicapped children but he is relatively high-functioning. However, in some situations he does behave very regressive.

 

/Anna

 

Anonymous
Anonymous
3/28/10 10:02pm

My 6 year old granddaugther who functions at a 5 month level is out growing the largest size of pampers.  What kind of disposal diapers do you use?

4/ 9/10 5:51pm

When Alexander is in disposable diapers he uses Tranquility disposable briefs. It is a very absorbant diaper that fits him well and does not leak. However at home he is always cloth diapers and plastic pants.

 

/Anna

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JEFFERY WOODARD
2/ 9/09 12:02pm

I HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM ALL MOST CLOSE , I THINK PUT HIM IN GOODNIGHTS TILL HE OUT GROWS THEM HE CAN BE UP TO 110LBS I BELEAVE THAT WAY IF HE SEE A RESTROOM HE CAN GO TO IT , IF THERE IS NO RESTROOMS THERE IS NO BE DEAL YOU JUST HAVE TO CHANGE HIM OR HE CAN CHANGE HIMSELF, AFTER HE GET PAST 110 LBS I THINK YOU NEED TO GET ADULT DIAPERS WALMART HAS SOME FOR $9.74 EST. IN MY AREA IN ALBUQUERQUE , IT IS THE STORE BRAND I BELEAVE DEPENDS ARE TOO EXPENSIVE

2/11/09 4:22am

We have tried DryNites as training pants during the day but they cannot take a big wetting or messing accident without leaking. Therefore we have decided to use a real diapers during the day.

 

/Anna

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JEFFERY WOODARD
2/11/09 11:09am

YEP IF HE IS A HEAVY WETTER , I AM TOO , I WEAR ADULT DIAPERS 24/7 , AND THEY LEAK TOO IF I WET THEM MORE THAN TWICE.

Anonymous
Anonymous
6/14/09 2:20pm

I am 26 and have chronic enurisis and at night still am in cloth diapers and comco plastic pants and assurance pullups during the day. It is good that he understands and is willing to try what ever seems to work.

6/24/09 4:38pm

Thank you for your message. Yes Alexander has completely accepted to be in diapers full time now and he does not seem to be unhappy about being in diapers. 

 

/Anna

Anonymous
Jeffrey
10/22/09 5:33pm

Anna,

 

I'm glad to hear that Alexander is not fighting being diapered. Any luck in having him identify when he needs to be changed? How often are you needing to change him?

 

Jeffrey

11/10/09 4:12pm

Jeffrey, No Alexander does still not identify when he needs to be changed - not even when he has messed heavily in his diapers. If i ask him whether he needs to have his diapers changed he usually says no. Therefore i still have to check the condition of his diapers frequently. I still hope he will soon begin to tell me when he needs a diaper change. This may also be the signal for us that he is prepared to start toilet training.

 

I need to change him 7-8 times every day. We have a large changing table for him in our bedroom and it is a big help. We try to make his diaper changes a good experience for him. Often I tell him stories or we talk together while I clean and diaper him. It has limited the number of times where he starts to cry loud while he is laying on the changing table.

 

/Anna

Anonymous
Jeffrey
11/11/09 4:28pm

Anna,

 

Thanks for the reply.

 

I agree that once he starts to tell you he needs to be changed, he will probably be ready for potty training. Telling you he doesn't need to be changed when he needs to be probably means that any attempt at potty training now would be fruitless. Since you have to check him all of the time, do you leave him pantless while at home so it is easier to check the status of his diapers or does he want his diapers hidden from view?

 

7-8 changes a day is a lot of work! Does your husband help? Is he still mainly wearing cloth diapers? That seems like a lot of laundry to do. How do you handle changes outside of the house? It doesn't seem like people would be accpeting of him going into the women's bathroom to be changed.

 

You seem like a very good person. You deal with all of this hard work and seem to remain farily positive!

 

Best wishes,

Jeffrey

11/15/09 3:30pm

Hi Jeffrey,

 

Yes it is a lot of hard work having a disabled child like Alexander. Basically he requires exactly the same care as a little child and it is not only for diapering but also for daily activities like bathing and feeding - although he is almost 11 years old.

 

Alexander is not very conscious about his diapers but i prefer that his diapers is hidden from view. However if it is hot it is more comfortable for him to play without pants over his diapers.

 

Usually i take care of his diaper changes. Changing diapers has always been a challenge for my husband even when our children were small. He cannot stand the smell of messy diapers.

 

Alexander wears cloth diapers and plastic diaper pants at home and disposable diapers at school. Of cause cloth diapers gives a lot of washing but it is not a big problem as we have a good washing machine.

 

Diaper changing outside the house can sometimes be a challenge. However most shopping centers have special rooms for baby care or restrooms for disabled persons. Some of these rooms are equipped with a changing table large enough for Alexander. Otherwise we do have a diaper bag with a large plastic pad so we can convert a table or a bed into a changing table for Alexander. This is usefull during travelling or family visits.

 

/Anna

10/16/10 9:48pm

wat tipe of vinyl pants do you use on your son my son wears gerber 3t i wear thim to  me and my son are inconince and wear diapers 24/7 we like wering the baby ones thay fit us verry good

Anonymous
babyfloyd
3/21/11 11:40am

dear anna i now wat your going thru i have the same problm as your son i have to wear diapers to all day knight for pee and poopy waht cind of plastic pants od you use for him i wear gerber toddlers size 3ts im am small for my age im 48 years old but more like a 3 years old  e mail me if you want to and i use baby disposable pampers luvs size 6 baby diapers babyfloyd@comcast.net  babyfloyd

Anonymous
JEFFERY
5/ 3/09 11:07am

I WEAR DIAPERS FULL TIME TOO AND I USE THE TOLIET IF I CAN GET THERE FAST ENOUGH , MOST OF THE TIME I USE RESTROOM FOR CHANGING PLACES I WEAR DOUBLE DIAPER SO I JUST TAKE THE INNER ONE OFF AND I STILL HAVE ONE ON. I USE

ASSURANCE DIAPERS (ADULTS DIAPERS) AGE 10 HE IS IN SIZE 6 OR BIGGER?

WHAT DOES HE DO AT SCHOOL? DOES HE GO TO THE NURSE FOR CHANGING , OR GO TO SPECIAL SCHOOL?

5/21/09 8:58am

Hi Jeffery,

 

When Alexander is in disposable diapers he wears size XS (usually Tena Slip). He is small of his age and he can use the largest baby diapers available but they are too tight for him and not comfortable.

 

Alexander goes to a special school and he is not the only child in diapers. The teachers and helpers are used to take care of diaper changing and the school has a bathroom with diaper changing facilities for larger children.

 

/Anna

Anonymous
JEFFERY
6/17/09 11:54am

DO YOU FEEL AL WILL BE IN DIAPER ALL HIS LIFE?

6/17/09 3:31pm

Hi Jeffery,

 

I really hope one day he will able to control his bladder and bowels and stop using his diapers. However, he is still not motivated to start toilet training and we have decided not to start toilet training again before he is ready.

 

/Anna

6/22/09 12:52pm

My oldest son is incontinent and I recently saw an ad for Luvs and decided to give them a try. On the second wetting the pampers start to leak all over me. With the Luvs he can go up to 4 or 5 times before they start to leak. Thank you Luvs for creating a much absorbent better diaper. You will have my business from now on. I absolutely Love Luvs' Diapers! I used to use Huggies diapers, but they just don't hold up to the Luvs' diapers! The size 6 diapers he wears hold so much its unbelievable! I am staying with Luvs diapers... should a person wear a diaper if experiencing incontinence

 

7/ 6/09 3:21pm

I absolutely Luv Luv's Diapers! I used to use Huggies diapers, but they just don't hold up to the Luv's diapers! The size 6 diapers I wear hold so much its unbelievable! I am staying with Luvs diapers all the way!

Anonymous
Gabrielle
11/30/09 1:51pm

Anna - I was moved by your story!  I'm 24 and I've been in diapers full time since college.  I've worn to bed every night of my life, my mom diapered me every night until I was 13 and learned to do it myself.  I started wearing during the day again in my first year of college because of the stress.

 

Alex sounds like such a sweet boy, and he's so lucky to have a mom like you!  How are his siblings?  Do they help take care of him?

 

Do I understand right that you have to completely care for him like a toddler with feeding and dressing and bathing?  You also mentioned that he's high-functioning - is he cognitively at his age level or a few years behind?  Are his interests closer to his own age or more like he's little?

 

I also ask because I'm just finishing my degree in child psychology and hope to work with ASD kids.  From my own experience with incontinence I feel strongly that these kids should just be accepted as they are and that there's nothing wrong with them, they're just different.

 

I'm so glad to hear that you have such a positive attitude about Alex.  I think you should definitely keep at your goal of having him be able to tell you when he needs to be changed, but it sounds like you're always going to need to take care of him, so I would just embrace that if I were you, and help him learn to embrace it too :).

12/ 6/09 2:57pm

Dear Gabrielle,

Thank you for your message. I will try to answer your questions.

 

Alexander has two siblings. His sister is 13 years older and his brother is 10 years older than he is. Both has now left home to study so he is the only child in the house. However, his sister has always been very kind to help me taking care of Alexander.

 

Yes it is correct that i wrote that Alexander is relatively high-functioning but it should not be understand as if he is high-funtioning compared to a normal child. He is relatively high-functioning compared to the other children in the institution were he is now during daytime - but it is a daycare for children with severe mental disabilities. A year ago he was moved from a more ordinary school for disabled children to the daycare were he goes now and it has been very good for him as he is not at all ready to go to any kind of a school. On a cognitive level he is like a 3-5 years old child - although he is almost 12 now.

 

Yes i do have to care for him like a toddler. He is able to feed himself but he is an extremely messy eater and if it is very messy food i prefer to feed him. He is not able to bath and dress himself.

 

Maybe you are right that i will always have to take care of Alexander. It has been very difficult for me to accept that i have a child who is not able to learn the most basic things - like going to the bathroom instead of using his diapers. It may sound strange but i have just recently accepted that Alexander never will develop into a normal child and one day attend a normal school.

 

/Anna 

 

2/ 9/10 2:41pm

I also am a recent bedwetter. It is the pits. However, I have found a diaper that meets everything that I could want in a diaper. They are from XPmedical. Abena products help keep me dry day and night. not to push a product or supplier but they work. and no shipping.....

2/ 9/10 2:41pm

I also am a recent bedwetter. It is the pits. However, I have found a diaper that meets everything that I could want in a diaper. They are from XPmedical. Abena products help keep me dry day and night. not to push a product or supplier but they work. and no shipping.....

6/20/10 10:21am

Your history feel a bit familiar. Im having Asperger and also have BMs and wet accidents. I think having it as an Asperger also may contribute to the problems a bit cause of sensory issues and stress. Im 25 now, and Ive had problems with it my whole life. For me it works like that I get thought which command me to do it in my pants when I get stressed (my therapeut call it a form of regression coping mechanism), and I use therefore diapers in periods where it is extra much stress in my life. Ive tried to suppress the thoughts with the results that I ends up after a time with no control, loss of language functions and no eating and much sleeping for a week approx. Cause of sensory issues, I dont feel it as a problem physically, but Im always afraid that someone will notice it and that is the biggest problem. Since it is psychological, it isnt to much to do for me (I will maybe try hypnosis in future) other than trying to lower the stress levels. I feel very alone about the problem, and haven't found too much on it. Hopefully more research in the future is devoted to nonorganic enuresis and encopresis.

4/10/11 3:53pm

hi, my name is Didier and im 12 and i wear diapers and plastic pants too. tell your son hes okay and theres nothing wrong with him wearing them.  i really love to wear them.  he can write me if he wants to. bye

Didier

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