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misdiagnosed for 10 years with cluster headaches

By Jeepman Wednesday, February 18, 2009

 

Impressions:

Although being a layman and untrained nobody else is better qualified to know how I feel than I am. After hours upon hours of research I have come to the impression that the following may be the mechanism for my symptoms. The upper cervical vertebrae are not stable and move slightly due to connective tissue loss of elasticity and damage. As they shift or have pressure put on them this causes muscle spasms in the neck and pressure on the Greater and Third Occipital Nerves. Perhaps a decreased spacing between the disks precipitates this. Irritation of these nerve roots causes further muscle spasms in the neck and side of the head with extreme pain as described above. These muscle spasms in turn irritate part of the Trigeminal Ganglion causing irritation of the maxillary and ophthalmic branches and the symptoms as described above.

 

2/18/09 3:05pm

Hi Jeepman,

   I know a little bit of how you feel being misdiagnosed. I suffered from daily headaches and occipital neuralgia for a year and my neurologist never found the cause. It wasn't until he referred me to a pain specialist that I found that I had arthritis in C2,C3 and C3,C4 of upper neck which was triggering my horrific migraines, occipital neuralgia and neck pain. I know what you mean about your teeth hurting and having sore SCM. I had originally thought I was having trigeminal neuralgia as well but believe based on what my physical therapist says that the SCM muscles are so tight on both sides it causes jaw pain. I have also had temporary vision loss in my left eye and intermittent burning in left eye when the occipital nerve is riled up. I have vasomotor rhinitis when the nerve is stirred up which causes non-allergic burning of my nose. Certain smells particularly perfumes really set me off with an immediate headache. I have had success with a med called Neurontin which is for nerve pain and physical therapy exercises that I have to do on a daily basis. I also usually can be found wearing a heat pack on my neck for sore muscles and an ice pack when the occipital nerve gets unhappy. From the research I have done, people who have arthritis in cervical vertebra or injury as result of car accidents, trauma, etc. can and do have occipital neuralgia and migraines as a result. Hope this helps you at least to know someone else has been there.

PamO

2/18/09 4:03pm

Hi Pam,

 

Thanks for the response.  My problem is getting the neuro-gods to even diagnose me with occipital neuralgia.  They keep wanting to diagnose me with cluster headaches because of the involvment of the trigeminal nerve.  So I am not getting any effective treatment.  I show them signs, my symptoms and the facts but they just wont listen.  Its a living nightmare.

 

again, thank you for your response.

 

Rich

2/18/09 5:13pm

Hi Rich,

   It was a spine pain specialist (orthopedic surgeon who specializes in pain management) that diagnosed me based on my CT scan of my neck and my symptoms(took him all of 10 min). The neuro gods aren't all they're cracked up to be and I think they don't always look at the less common causes of headache and they sure as heck aren't very good listeners. Best of luck to you.

 

Pam

2/21/09 9:19pm

Hi Rich,

   I forgot to mention in my other comments that my neurologist took me off Neurontin for a month when I started having vision problems and started me on Topamax. I had 4 visits to the ER in Nov. 08 because the Topamax (or abscense of Neurontin) caused me to have headaches so horrific I said my goodbyes to my family. Felt like a grenade blew out the back of my head. Maybe your neurologist would consider trying you on Neurontin for your nerve pain since they do agree you are having trigeminal nerve pain. It also comes in generic which is a heck of a lot cheaper than Topamax. Hope you can get them to listen.

 

PamO

2/22/09 12:26am

Well Pam, I'm on 50mg Topamax 2x/day now and it doesnt seem to be doing much good.  Its used to treat trigeminal pain specifically (though its intended use is an anticonvulsant) so the only thing it had done is decrease the amount of times I go blind in my right eye, but the pain is the same.

 

An interesting side note.  My pain had increased expotentially this past week to the point it involved my right TMJ and both my upper and lower teeth on the entire right side to the point that if I woke up dead one morning I wouldnt be too upset.  Day before yesterday morning I noticed the slightest of swelling in the cheek area.  I made an appointment to get to the dentist that day.  I had an abcess in the top right back molar.  A root canal was scheduled for the next morning...yesterday.  I am seeing vast improvments in my overall condition and I have no need for the pain meds. 

 

Now this tooth has been sensitive to cold for the past few years, but the dentists could never find any sign of decay infection or any reason for the sensitivity.  So I thought it was just a sensitive tooth, or part of my migraine symptoms.  If this abcess had been brewing for that long slowly, it could be part of the reason my migrraines were so severe, especially the last 3 or 4 years.  I dont have any false hope that my migraine will magically be gone, but cross your fingers and toes for me and hope with me that maybe they wont be so bad now.

Nancy Harris Bonk, Health Guide
2/18/09 9:35pm

Hello, and welcome to MyMigraineConnection.com!

 

I'm sorry you are hurting so much right now. It is not uncommon for Migraineurs to be incorrectly diagnosed for many years, I certainly was.

 

Now that you have been to all the "neurology gods," it is time to see the real expert, a Migraine specialist. Neurologists may say they are "headache specialists" and he may be a fine doctor, but it's difficult for them to be an expert in any one area because they so many different conditions like MS, epilepsy, stroke and Parkinsons.

 

A Migraine/headache specialist concentrates on patients in one area who have Migraines and headaches. These doctors take extra courses in Migraine/headache, go to sceintific conferences where they learn the latest information on treatments and diagnosis. They are on the cutting edge of Migraine treatments.  You might want to think of it like this: if a pipe under your kitchen sink breaks, you call a plumber, the expert, to fix it. You could call a handyman to fix it and then repair the cracked window pane, paint the kitchen and install a new floor. He does lots of work, but isn't the expert you need to get your pipe fixed. Some members here travel great distances to see their Migraine specialist - from Virginia to Texas, North Carolina to Texas and West Virgina to Pennsylvania. The point is the expert are worth the travel. I went about three hours which started on my path to correct diagnosis'. You can look for a Migraine specialist on our patient recommended specialist list HEREWe have four specialists in CA.

 

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2/19/09 2:54am

Hi Nancy,

 

Thank you for your reply.  trust me, I was being extremely sarcastic when I called them "neuro-gods".  They are nothing more than self absorbed over paid quacks who couldnt find their backside with both hands, a flashlight and a road map.

 

I would absolutely LOVE to go to a specialist.  But again the problem is I cant get referred out of the system.  I am disabled and the state agency I worked for gave me Kaiser-Permamente as my insurance.  They not only are my insurance carrier, they are also my provider.  Imagine having auto insurance that also did auto repair and the only place you were allowed to take your vehicle for repair was to your insurances own auto shops.  Not a pretty picture hmm?  Being that I am on a fixed income I cant afford to just run off and write a check to go see some high paid migraien specialise myself that the insurance would refuse to pay for.

Anonymous
Anonymous
2/23/09 7:33am

Jeepman,

 

I was diagnosed with cluster headaches 5-6 years ago, but they started in a milder form in the early '80's.  The repeating headache symptoms were much the same as yours and had progressed to the stage of nausea during some episodes, beginning in March and ending in November.  It was especially worse while trying to sleep at night.  It got to the point where I feared going to bed for what I knew I could expect. 2-3 times a night.  Finally, I was referred to a Dr. Rao here in NJ.  After a detailed consultation and review of my past treatment / failures she prescribed Verapamil.  I've had to increase the dosage once during this time, but it has been a life-changing event for both me and my family.  Verapamil is actually associated as a treatment for high blood pressure, but mine has always been low, ex: 105/75.

 

Hope this helps,

 

Dan

 

2/23/09 8:16pm

Hey Dan,

 

Thanks for your reply.  yeah the super quacks tried Verapamil on me too, but since my diagnosis of cluster headaches is wrong it didnt work.

 

I'm glad it did for you and you found relief.  Its nothing nice dreading going to bed.

2/23/09 8:17pm

I think it was for my headaches.  ITs been a while.  I had BP issues too for a bit.  Maybe it was for that, I dont recall now.  Either way it didnt affect my headaches hahaha.

3/ 6/11 12:41am

Interesting!  My cardiologist just put me on Beta Blockers for my heart arrhythmia's, but said it may help relax the blood vessels that might be pushing on my trigeminal nerve.  Maybe it will help.

I also got a giant shot of Steroids to reduce inflammation.  It helped a little but still have the major attacks.

 

3/ 6/11 12:35am

Dear Rich,

 

I'm sorry for what you have to go through.  It scares me as I have these terrible trigeminal nerve issues after having so many eye surgeries.  Thankfully, I'm working with the Mayo Clinic in Rochester MN.

 

They would never treat people like you describe. I KNOW too well the attitudes you are meeting with.   Once I experienced mayo, it's really really hard to tolerate not being validated or listened too.  I went to Mayo to say I need you to write down what you think is wrong with me so I can hand it to my local Doctors.  They'll believe Mayo but not me even though I've been saying the same exact thing!

Now, an idea.  What I gather is that you can not go where ever you  need because of Insurance issues.  You can plead to Mayo to take your case but would need charity treatment.  As you are being held hostage by your doctors and insurance company.

 

I'm just beginning this journey of search for pain relief.  Narcotics don't work.  

Don't give up.  Not all doctors are like that.  I thought that they were till I found Mayo.  They're not perfect - but they are trying their best and are honest and efficient. 

Wish I could be of more help.

3/ 6/11 1:54am

Hi GGW,

 

Well, after threatening legal action and other such stuff and basically becoming THEIR huge headache I was referred to the chief of neurology for the central valley for Kaiser. In one hour she came to start to realize that all these years i hade been correct, and even said so.  After doing some tests and exams, she said everything I had said, everything I knew to be right all these years was in fact correct and that this should have been handled years ago. I broke down into tears.

 

I broke down in tears again when she called me from her home on her day off to give me the results of the xrays she did and she told me C2 slips out when I look down, and the muscles that hold it in place werent working correctly, if at all. Again she apologized and said she didnt know why this hadnt been done and taken care of years ago. Also the reason I go blind is because there is a nerve that runs from the top of your spine up into the vision centers of your brain (if I understood correctly) and when the vertabrae slips in puts pressure on the nerve root and presto... Im blind.  It was also discovered, or rather confirmed that I had disc degeneration of the top 2 dics, arthritis and bone spurs all at the top of my neck, and likely significant scar tissue and some nerve damage.

 

So I jumped through the hoops and I got sent to a...um. I cant remember the type of doctor but basically its an MD for phys. therapy. They did a quick exam and started me in physical therapy.  The chief said that it had been an awful long time and doubted the effectiveness of the PT.

 

Well, she was right.  The PT helped, but not very much.  It has just been way too long since the injury. So then I was back on the topomax, and they started giving me injections of botox in the temporalis muscles and the greater spinalis and SCM muscles. I had to stop the topomax though, it gave me kidney stones so they switched me to Nortriptyline. Its an old med that used to be used as an anti-depressant but was approved by the FDA to be used for migraine control and nerve pain.  It works OK most of the time but I sI still go blind at times in my right eye and the pain is still there, just not as bad.

3/ 6/11 11:39pm

Rich,

 

Thank you for your reply.  I'm very glad you found someone to explain it to you anyway.  Just knowing what your are up against can help you cope a bit better. 

The weight that must have been lifted to find someone in her position validate you and your frustrations and suffering.

 

How long has it been now since you had this conversation with this Head of Neurology?  

 

I pray you find continued relief and find a way to use your experience to continue to help someone else.  If we don't learn something from the suffering what is the point of going through it.

 

Thanks for sharing what you did.

God Bless You

Greta

 

 

3/29/12 9:50pm

You need to check out the Institute of Nerve Medicine located in Santa Monica, CA.

Dr Aaron Filler is the best in the world.  I can't say enough about his expertise. Google him and read all about his practice and treatment.

 

3/29/12 10:22pm

Thank you, Kim. Reading their website now

3/30/12 8:41am
I have undergone two MRI guided procedures but ended up needing surgery. I have two issues so my recovery is slow. The surgery for the occipital nerve was not bad. He just seperated the nerve from the scar tissue. My head feels 80% better. Nerves only heal one inch a month so I still have headache at base of skull. This is an improvement. These are the nicest people out there. Dr Filler invented technology to see nerve compression, the MRN. He is brilliant and has no god complex. I only saw him have attitude with a nurse who was arguing with me over pain medication. He only wants to free patients from pain. He is the best expert in this area in the world. If you are still hurting, it is worth thre trip to see him. My first visit, I had the MR Neurography and after the results came back he suggested an MRI procedure. We asked when can we have this done and he said right now. After finishing paper work they took me down to the surgical suite at 6:30 at night. We got back to hotel 9 PM. I flew home the next day. This is the most intelligent and caring physician I have come across. He has given me a life back. I have read some of the post and most doctors really don't understand something that is not black and white. They just guess at a diagnosis and pump you full of pills hoping for the best.
3/30/12 8:58am
I wanted to add one more thing. As you read about Dr Filler, look at Thoracic Outlet Syndrome. Some of your symptoms could be caused by this condition. I had never heard of it. After being misdiagnosed and even told to see a psychiastist, I came across Thoracic Outlet Syndrome. It causes the Occipital nerve pain and many others. It is usually located on one side. I really hope you find answers. They have opened MRNs in many different locations across the country. Dr Filler can order one and probably tell you what he sees and what treatment is available. All the MRNs are sent to Dr Filler. He is the only one to read them. Best of luck and if you go tell them Kim sent you. They will know who you are talking about.
3/30/12 5:52pm

Kim you have been so helpful and provided great insight.  Thank you very much.  I think the hard part is going to be getting Kaiser to agree to pay it.  I will figure something out.

3/30/12 7:33pm
He is worth every penny. They will work with you on the bill.
3/30/12 7:36pm
Also if you do your homework usually you can get the insurance to pay by showing them all the evidence. Kim
3/30/12 9:38pm

Yeah, he evidence.  It took me 12 years 3 or 4 doctors and finally talking to the Chief of Neurology for the central valley to convince them they were wrong.  Once the Chief saw the evidince she said I had been right all along.

I wonder how long it will take to get them to approve an out of system referral.

3/30/12 9:51pm
You must show them that there are no specialist in your area that can treat you or even cure your condition. Only a few specialist exist in the country. Dr Filler is the best. He literally saved my life. You can use the argument that an eye replacement if it can be preformed cost a lot more than seeing Dr Filler. You have been dealing with this condition a long time, I am sure you can find a way to fight the insurance company. Look how far you have come on your own with no help from the medical Gods. Kim
3/30/12 10:01pm

Thank you for the words of encouragement Kim!  I have had one doctor fired from Kaiser, and have proven several more wrong.  I have no problem becoming their headache.

I have contacted Dr. Fillers office and I have contacted my neurologist who is the vice chief of neurology.  Now its wait and see.

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By Jeepman— Last Modified: 03/30/12, First Published: 02/18/09