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IIH living with it and treatments
headachelady
Tuesday, September 22, 2009 at 06:25 PMre: IIH living with it and treatments
PinkPatty
Wednesday, September 23, 2009 at 07:27 AMI am going to do it with a neurologist and I think they said it would be with me laying down. She does them a lot and they are well known in the field of headaches and have done lots of research. I am hopful they really know what they are doing. She did mention Diamox and diuretics as treatments along with High levels of topamax and weight loss. I have a condition called Neurocardiogenic syncope which causes me to get dizzy easily and I can pass out easily which can cause the treatment with diuretics to be a possible problem but I'll give it a try if I end up having this problem. I guess this would explain the never ending pressure in my head. I havn't heard back from them about the date for the LP yet. It needs to be prequalified with my insurance but should be soon.
I did go to an opthamologist about 3 yrs ago and they said everything is fine with my eyes. My vision is worse than it was and getting worse every year but that happens with age also so it is hard to know if that's all it is or if there could be more to it.
Thanks for your info.
Patty
re: re: IIH living with it and treatments
headachelady
Wednesday, September 23, 2009 at 10:08 AMPatty - Hi! If your vision is getting worse I would INSIST on a referral to a neuro-ophthamologist. One of the most telling signs of IIH is the presence of papilledema (sp?) which is swelling of your optic nerves. This can cause permanent vision loss. If you do have IIH, you will need to be followed closely by the eye people to be monitored for this as this is the biggest complication. Make sure you let your neurologist know about your vision. I don't want to alarm you, but this is so important and can be a serious complication from IIH. Let me know how everything goes - Kayleen
re: re: IIH living with it and treatments
PinkPatty
Thursday, September 24, 2009 at 08:24 PMI was curious about the drinking lots of fluids and caffeine for the LP. How does this affect it? I had never been told this before and am curious about it.
The doctors office called today and we are trying to come to a date where my husband can drive me to it, I can get off work for it, and the doctor is free for it. Probably will be in late October. I will let you know.
Thanks. Patty
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Let's talk here...
Teri Robert
Wednesday, September 23, 2009 at 11:01 AMHi, Patty,
Dr. Young at the Jefferson did my LP and diagnosed IIH. When he did the LP, he drrew off enough fluid to put my pressure into the normal range. Diamox has kept it controlled since then. Dr. Young's being so astute and catching the IIH diagnosis was a true turning point for me. Until then, I could only identify my triggers about half the time, and I was averaging five days a week in bed with the Migraine from hell. After the LP, the Migraines that I couldn't identify the triggers for stopped, and my Migraine frequency dropped dramatically. After that, we were able to find effective preventives.
What kind of vision problems are you having? Do you realize that Topamax can cause vision problems? You can find more information about that in Potential Vision Problems with Topamax.
There's something else that I share with anyone who has Migraines and mentions any kind of vision problems. Really, this is something every Migraineur should know. There's an unusual form of glaucoma that is much more prevalent among Migraineurs than those who don't have Migraine disease. It's called "low-tension" or "low-pressure" glaucoma. It's glaucoma that occurs even though the intraocular pressure (IOP) is NOT above the normal range. That means that the normal glaucoma test does NOT detect it. It's usually discovered by a visual fields test.
I have this form of glaucoma. Luckily, it was discovered early due to a tiny blind spot showing up on my visual fields test. Despite early diagnosis and treatment, it progressed to the point of my having to have last-resort surgical intervention. Even then, I have lost 50% of the vision in my right eye.
The surgeon/researcher I saw at the Ohio State University told me that even though the prevalence of Migraine is only 12% in the general population, it's around 40% in their patients with this form of glaucoma. Our IOP is increased during a Migraine, and they theorize that the years of bad Migraines I had before good treatments were available actually caused the glaucoma.
So, although I'm not qualified to give medical advice, my personal suggestion to Migraineurs is to see an ophthalmologist once a year, if possible, and request the visual fields test.
Please let us know how everything goes and if there's anything we can do for you?
with a gentle hug,
Teri
re: Let's talk here...
PinkPatty
Thursday, September 24, 2009 at 08:24 AMMy doctor at Jefferson is Dr. Nahas, I believe she is newer and she seems very thorough and up on IIH. She told me immediately that she thought this might be my problem. I will discuss the vision thing with her on my next visit. I don't usually need my glasses, my vision isn't very bad, I actually just started working at an optomotrist's office 2 weeks ago which is a bit ironic. I noticed though that my vision is worse some days than others - there are days where I really have hard time focusing. I had great vision years ago and then it started to change and I will have to talk with her about it - I do know that my prescription is not very strong compared to others and I can function without correction pretty well.
I was wondering if the Diamox is something you take instead of Topamax? Dr. Nahas mentioned upping Topamax possibly as high as 800 mg if I have IIH and we did not discuss Diamox. I am thinking I will discuss this with her. I am up to 450 mg and have no differnce at this point but am very tired. I know she won't want to treat IIH until she does the LP. I was curious about how effective treatment of IIH was or if you still have daily pain even with treatment. What the future holds if the diagnosis is IIH.
Thanks for the info.
Patty
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Eileen Gray
Friday, September 25, 2009 at 01:27 PMI do not have IIH but I take Diamox as a preventive. My specialist felt it would help with weather triggered Migraines. It has, but I think it is konking out or needs some tweaking.
I just had my LP last month - the actual test went so wonderful.
Good luck to you! I wish you all the best! Let us know how you make out!
Diamox - IIH
PinkPatty
Friday, September 25, 2009 at 04:48 PMDoes diamox have the side effect of possible weight loss like topamax? or is it one that has the weight gain problem?? I was wondering.
When I went on topamax I lost weight - about 20 lbs but it's not done that ever since. I tolerate it ok but it makes me very tired and it doesn't really do anything about the chronic daily headaches or the headaches that are due to the constant weather fronts - which I am extremely sensitive to - I know when weather is coming better than the guys on TV. I've been that way all my life. I am curious why the doctors never mentioned Diamox to me before. I will have to ask them.
I do have this thing called Neurocardiogenic syncope which makes me more susceptible to feeling dizzy often and meds that can cause dizzyness (which most meds say they can cause) can be a problem. Topamax seems to help me with this a bit or at least leaves me less able to notice the dizzyness.
But Diamox could do the same - it could be the anti seizure components that work differently on me or something. I would be interested to see though.
Do you know if the extreme sensitivity to the Barametric pressure and the weather conditions is common for people with IIH?
Thanks for your insight and help.
Patty
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Chronic Daily Headaches/Migraines
conradplan
Sunday, September 27, 2009 at 01:25 AMSo sorry to hear of your ordeal. I'm 56, and I've had transformed chronic daily headpain/migraines since July of 1994. Just like you, every day, the whole time I'm awake. I've tried dozens of treatments, meds, you name it; if it has been suggested as possibly helpful, I've tried it. If a food is often a trigger, all of them are triggers for me. Medicated, my average pain level if around 6.
I take Lortab (7.5/500), Anacin (1/2 pill with each Lortab), Neurontin (900 mg) and Flexeril, round the clock. Then Treximet, Relpax and Phenergan when I sense a migraine getting out of control. I know I live with headache rebound given the meds I take everyday, but it at least enables me to function, even though the pain is always present. At least I avoid vomiting, and being bed-ridden when I didn't have these meds to help. Phenergan and triptans have probably been the most helpful to keep me away from the ER, with a runaway migraine that won't respond to my usual pain meds, especially Phenergan.
Yes, it does get old. I try not to think that it could last another 20 to 30 years. Then again, my sister, who also had migraines all her life, suddenly they stopped when she got to her early 60s. So that's my hope.
Some of us belong to the 2% of the migraine population that don't respond well to any treatments. I've had a good deal of talk therapy to help me accept that I live with this disease, and to change my vocabulary about it. I used to say that I suffer from migraines. Now I say I live with migraines. It may be a small victory, but for now, it has been one of the most valuable, other than the Phenergan I mentioned earlier.
I do wish you well in your quest. You are not alone!
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Nancy Harris Bonk
Tuesday, September 29, 2009 at 08:36 PMFirst, please accept my apologies for not welcoming you sooner. Hello, and welcome to MyMigraineConnection.com!
I'm curious why the doctor doesn't just do an LP and get an answer for you on IIH? Would that be better than just guessing about dosing medications such as topamax? Topamax is one medication I personally wouldn't want to just keep upping to see if my Migraines get better. In fact, a doctor tried to tell me the same thing once - "just keep upping the topamax til the Migraines go away." I don't think so. An interesting article you may want to share with your doctor is: The ONLY definitive way to diagnose pseudotumor cerebri. I see you've read our other information on IIH, so I won't give you the link again.
I've been told that medication alone isn't enough to initially treat IIH. An lp draws the CSF (cerebrospinal fluid) into normal range first, then medications are added to help keep it within normal range. Sometimes this works for people, other times shunts or stents have to be used for drainage. Diamox, methazolimide, lasix, and my personal favortive - weight loss (because no thin people have IIH -wrong!) along with some other medications are currently used to treat IIH. It can go into "remission" or be tricky to manage. Have you been over to the IIH research foundation? They seem to have lots of good information on IIH.
If someone has vision issues, and may have IIH, then topamax would not be my first choice medication. Between the problems with this medication and IIH and optic nerves, it seems a bit to risky, in my opinion.
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re: Info from meeting with Dr. today
PinkPatty
Wednesday, September 30, 2009 at 07:32 PMHi Nancy. Thanks so much for the response.
I saw Dr. Nahas today. I discussed the LP and medications and my options today. We are having trouble getting the LP scheduled because she doesn't have much availability to do it within the next month and at this point I'm looking at late November or later. I am going to get the referral they need and they are going to book it for the first available date.
In the meantime she agreed that I had gone high enough to know that topamax isn't helping me much anymore and she agreed to have me switch over and try Diamox. I'm tapering off of the topamax and am going to start the Diamox and see how I am doing. She has been trying to get me to consider admitting myself for a 5 day stay in the hospital for infusions and they would do the LP during that time. I had done the 3 day outpatient infusions in June but it didn't touch the headaches. I feel that if the LP shows that I have IIH, I shouldn't need the inpatient stay - she agreed. So for now I am not planning on a hospital stay.
I also am trying a muscle relaxant which I can take for a week or two and then as needed to see if it helps at all. I have some issues in my neck that can be aggravating my headaches and this could help although I've tried other similar meds in the past and they've not worked but I'm open to trying whatever will help.
She also gave me a prescription for the new imitrex injectible. The imitrex pills that I tried a few years ago did nothing for me but she feels this may work. The pharmacist needs to order this and the price before insurance is around $1300 for 8 doses (pretty hefty). I'll be interested to see if it works. I was using relpax which works occasionally, not always.
My only option for getting he LP sooner was to have an intern do it at the hospital and I'm not really comfortable with that. She says they do know what they are doing but I know it's a touchy procedure and I'm not sure whether to trust doing that or not. Does anyone here know anything about Jefferson's interns??
Thanks.
Pinkpatty
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Hi! I was diagnosed with IIH in March when I was hospitalized in Pittsburgh. The opening pressure of the LP was 32 or 33. I was started on Acetazolamide (Diamox). Of course I was followed closely by the ophthamologists. They said there was some swelling of my optic nerves, but I had no vision loss. At the end of March I had another LP after having been on the Diamox for a month. The pressure was still like 31. They wanted to increase the meds but the insurance wouldn't pay for it. Even while on the meds my headaches didn't get any better. So they put me on Zonegran and Lasix. From what they told me, Zonegran has Diamox in it??? I saw a neuro-ophthamologist in July and he said that he didn't think that I had IIH because he said that my optic nerves weren't swollen - something about they are very dense and that can be mistaken for swelling.
I changed HA docs in the middle of August. I saw a new doc at the Cleveland Clinic. She was doubting the dx of IIH as well. When they did the original LP they did them at the bedside. They have you curl up in a ball and you have to strain to try and stay in that position. She said that by straining you can get a false reading. She sent me to a neurosurgeon at the Cleveland Clinic who specializes in IIH. I had a LP just this past Friday. They did it in radiology. I was laying on my stomach. They used x-ray to see exactly where they were putting the needle in. My opening pressure was 26. I am not sure if they will classify that as me having IIH or not. I hope not. I am supposed to hear from the neurosurgeon tomorrow (hopefully). Good luck with your LP. Remember to lay flat, drkink A LOT of fluids and caffeine and you should do well. Let me know how everything goes - Kayleen