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Q: Do I have rebounds?

I have migranes now almost everyday (4 days, 2 days break, 3 days, 3 days break etc) started around my period but now getting worse. I am 52. I am taking Frova and it helps a lot, but I take too many a month (between 12-15 pills). tried prevention pills but it didnt help. My doc thinks that these are rebounds. 1. How does one know? and if it is, what is the best way to stop the pills? I tried just to stop taking them but the pain is awful.. 2. The only pill I didnt try is anti deprassant pill (ssri). Did any of you tried it for preventing migranes? Thanks a lot!
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Nancy Harris Bonk, Health Guide
1/20/11 9:23am

Hi ruti,

 

Certainly taking that many abortive medications could create a medication overuse headache situation (MOH) formerly called rebound. If you're taking Migraine abortive meds such as triptans(like Frova, or any kind of pain med more than two days a week, a big part of your problem may well be medication overuse headache (MOH), aka rebound. See Medication Overuse Headache - When the Remedy Backfires for more information on this. If you're in an MOH situation, nothing you take is going work, neither prescription nor "natural" medications nor over-the-counter. If that's the case, you need to work with your doctor to stop the medications causing the problem.

 

Medication overuse has been shown to be a factor in 80% of cases of transformed Migraine. Stopping the medication overuse is key to stopping the transformed Migraine. You can read more about this in Stopping Medication Overuse Can Halt Transformed Migraine.

 

I know how easy it is to feel as if you've tried everything out there, but there are so many medications that can be used for Migraine and headache prevention that it's literally impossible. You can find a list of potential Migraine and headache preventives in Migraine preventive medications - too many options to give up!

 

Hang in there, and keep us posted, ok?

Nancy

 

 

 

 

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1/21/11 5:05am

Hi Nancy, thanks so much for replying. I read all the links but I still can't figure out if I have rebound headaches or not. Is there a simple way to know? or I just need to quit the Frova and see what will happen?

 

Do you know what are best pain killers during the withdrawl time (that I can ask my doc to prescribe) to replace Frova for when the pain is unbearable?

 

Thanks a lot again

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Nancy Harris Bonk, Health Guide
1/21/11 8:39am

Hey there,

 

I'm not sure what to tell you other than what is in that article, which is pretty clear;

 

How can we distinguish MOH from other headaches and Migraines? 
Differentiating between a tension-type headache, for example, and MOH can be difficult. There are, however, some very discernable differences between MOH and a Migraine attack. Migraine pain is worsened by activity; MOH tends not to be. MOH is also missing other Migraine symptoms such as nausea, vomiting, phonophobia (sensitivity to sound), photophobia (sensitivity to light), hot flashes, chills, dizziness, and so on.

 

On page 4:

 

How do we stop MOH? 
Immediately discontinuing the medication causing the MOH is the preferred plan of action for most medications. It's obviously the quickest, and it doesn't add more medications to an already confused body.

According to Goadsby, et al, withdrawal symptoms usually last two to 10 days. Those symptoms may include: withdrawal headache, vomiting, arterial hypotension, tachycardia, sleep disturbances, restlessness, anxiety, nervousness. Other experts in the field have written that it can take weeks, a month, or even longer to end the MOH. cycle.

In some cases where the MOH is being caused by medications such as butalbital compounds that have been taken daily in large amounts, seizures can occur if the medication is abruptly withdrawn, so a tapered withdrawal or supervised detoxifications is necessary. The best approach is to ask your doctor for help and adviceWhen you take these medications for pain, you don't become addicted, but you may become dependent upon them. This is a medical issue. Don't be reluctant to discuss it with your doctor. Depending on the medication involved and the situation, some doctors may recommend hospitalization or prescribe medications to help you get out of the MOH cycle.

 

For me, I know these articles can be overwhelming the first time through. I've had to read them a few times to fully grasp the information. Maybe another read through will help? Smile 

 

If it doesn't, please let me know...I' ll find a way to make it clearer!!

Nancy

 

 

 

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1/21/11 5:10pm

Hi Nancy, strange, but the second reading did help..you were right. I will update. Thanks!

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Nancy Harris Bonk, Health Guide
1/21/11 9:46pm

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1/22/11 2:54pm

i am trying to figure out if possibly I have MOH going on.  I have been woken from sleep 9 days in a row at 2am. I have taken maxalt most of those nights, with excedirn and tylenol as well.  I am wondering if the MOH shows up at the same time as my other headache?  I generally have been headache free during the day, the attack just is in the middle of the night.  I have no aura, nausea, and they are moderate in pain.  Just trying to figure it out - thanks for youe help

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Nancy Harris Bonk, Health Guide
1/22/11 4:50pm

Ummmm,

 

First let me share with you a video on sleep issues and headache that is very good; Video: Migraines and Sleep 

 

Every night for the last nine nights? There is a rare type of headache called Hypnic headache that wakes one up from a sound sleep. You can read more about that in this article; Hypnic Headache - The Basics

 

The thing is taking Migraine abortive meds such as the triptans (like maxalt) or ergotamines or any kind of pain medication -- prescription or over-the-counter (like Tylenol)  -- more than two or three days a week can make matters worse by causing medication overuse headache (MOH), aka rebound. See Medication Overuse Headache - When the Remedy Backfires for more information on this.

 

And it is possible to have more than one type of Migraine or headache disorder. And what really stinks is that medication overuse has been shown to be a factor in 80% of cases of transformed Migraine. Stopping the medication overuse is key to stopping the transformed Migraine. You can read more about this in Stopping Medication Overuse Can Halt Transformed Migraine.

 

 

It would be best if your doctor could also help you figure this out, will he/she work with you on this? If not, or you think your current doctor is not well informed on Migraines, that's ok, it just might be time for a Migraine specialist. Take a look at these articles when you get a chance;

If your doctor isn't able to help you, it may well be time to consult a Migraine and headache specialist. It's important to note that neurologists aren't necessarily Migraine and headache specialists. Take a look at the article Migraine and Headache Specialists - What's So Special? If you need help finding a Migraine specialist, check our listing of Patient Recommended Migraine and Headache Specialists.

 

Good Luck

Nancy 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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1/22/11 8:18pm

Nancy,

Thank you very much for sharing your thoughts.  I have looked at all of your links. I just sent my doctor an email, and will hopefully see her on Monday.  She is great and has been my doc for 15 years.  I had read about hipnic headaches, and although it sounds like what I have been experiencing, I really have no idea.  I did not take any triptan or anything last night, and am trying to begin to cleanse my body.  I have had a dull headache all day today - somewhere between a tension headache and a light migraine.  I am honestly exhausted, and I probably have some flexeril in the house, and may take that tonight to see if the muscle relaxing will help.  I am just reluctant to take anything.  I am upping my vitamins and supplements, and just got some probiotics and some magnesium to add to my multi, vitamin d and calcium.  I really hope that this cycle is coming to an end, but I have no idea.  THe past (and only 2 other cyles) like this that I have had, have lasted about 7 days  - and then it just disappears.  So bizarre and so unsettling.  I did an mri of the brain this past October and all was fine.  I think I am also anxious about going to sleep.  I wonder what will happen if I stay up til 2am - will the headache come?  Last nights was at 12:30, and then woke again at 2:30.  As you can probably read here, I am beside myself,  Until tomorrow - thanks, Jodie

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By ruti— Last Modified: 01/22/11, First Published: 01/18/11