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Q: Chronic migraines - could it be stroke? Is it related to a heart defect?

I have a lot of concerns about my migraines and I believe my situation is a little unique.  I've been having migraines with aura since I was about 12 years old (I'm now a 24 year old woman).  The first one I had was triggered by a bad fall off a horse.  An hour or so later I had visual disturbances, numbness on one side of my face/tongue/hands which then switched to the other side.  I eventually felt very nauseous and threw up and then got a really bad headache.  A year after that, I fell in gym class and had the same series of symptoms, but it was more serious because I couldn't verbalize properly (I had to call my mom to come pick me up but I couldn't tell her what was wrong).  Another year later, there seemed to be no trigger (I was travelling by car and it was hot but that was all) but the same thing happened.

 

It would happen about once a year until the past few years when I get migraines much more frequently.  I've talked to my regular doctors and OB's about this but they say it is probably hormonal and don't offer much help.  I even went to an ER one day and had a CT scan while I was having a migraine but they just diagnosed it as a migraine with aura and I had to pay $2500 for the whole ordeal so I was pretty disappointed.

 

I hate getting these migraines; I feel like I just want to die when I get them - it's the worst feeling ever.  I'm not sure what my treatment should be because I don't know what the cause is.  The way they were first triggered I felt there might be somethign going on in my brain due to that fall.  But later on they could be triggered by anything - excitement, hormones, exertion, chemicals, and sometimes I really have no idea what the trigger was.  My main theories about my migraines are these:

 

Hormones:  I started getting migraines around the time of puberty, and also I have had a migraine while in labor and immediately after having a miscarriage.

 

Heart defect:  I have ventricular septal defect (very minor, not enough to suggest repair or medication or any lifestyle changes) diagnosed around the same time I started getting migraines (but I was most likely born with it).  I have done some research and found that some other people with heart defects have more migraines because clots can form in the hole in the heart and move to the brain.

 

The second part of my question is I'm wondering if it's really clear that these are simply migraines and not some form of stroke.  Each migraine varies in how severe it is, but the worst ones leave me unable to verbalize what I want to say, and unable to read or write.  Sometimes I'd have a twitching or droopy eyelid for days afterwards.  I know it is impossible to really diagnose my personal situation without seeing me, but all of the doctors I've brought this up to have not seemed concerned at all.  Thank you very much for any insight you might have on this.

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Nancy Harris Bonk, Health Guide
6/10/09 4:53pm

Hi LindsayM,

 

You've asked some reallly difficult questions that only a doctor can answer. What I can do is give you information and support. How does that sound? Below is some information on stroke, Migraine and cardiovascular disease in women:

 

For purposes of treatment, learning about your Migraines, being able to get care if you're away from home, etc., you need a full diagnosis of what type of Migraine you have. You can read more about this in The Type of Migraine Does Matter.

 

 

Trigger identification and management is an important part of Migraine management and preventing Migraines. You may have some triggers that you can avoid, thus preventing Migraines brought on by those triggers. Do you know what any of your triggers are? When working to identify triggers one of the best tools is a good Migraine diary. You can read more about this and download a free diary workbook in our article Your Migraine and Headache Diary.

 

Some of us have food triggers; some of us don't. It's advisable to determine if you have them, and an elimination diet is the best way to do that. For more information and a workbook on this, see Managing Migraine - Migraine Trigger Foods.

 

I know this is a lot of information, I hope it helps.

 

Nancy 

 

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1/ 1/11 10:44am

Nancy and Lindsay, My 16 yo old son fainted in 8th grade and then started getting migraines after physical exercise after that.  Recently he has increased his exercise regime and got more migraines, plus some new symptoms - lightheadedness, tunnel vision, blurred vision, eyes crossing, orthostatic hypotension and exercise-induced near syncope.  He was diagnosed with a heart murmur as an infant, but we were told it was innocent and that it closed before he was one.  He has had an MRI, carotid ultrasound, echocardiogram, chest x-ray, and a treadmill cardiac stress test (where his bp went to 240/60 and a heart rate of 200) but the docs say all looks normal.  He has had these symptoms for three months. 

 

We have been to see a migraine specialist in a large teaching hospital and she feels his current symptoms are not migraine-related and we should follow up with cardiology.  My personal opinion is that his current condition is the result of a "perfect storm" of three things coming together - a congenital heart defect that was causing the exercise intolerance mistakenly diagnosed as migraines, an increase in exercise regime, and taking a new migraine drug - Axert, which can cause cardiac problems.  He took 4 doses of this drug over a 40 day period.

 

He was also taking Doxycycline during this time for acne.  Doxycylcine is a sustrate of a type of anitbiotic/antifungal that is contraindicated with Axert.  The only problem with this is that no one will listen to me.  His pediatrician believes the cardiologist who says the tests show nothing is wrong so it must be in his head and has him on prozac over my objections.  I have found a new pediatric cardiologist and am hoping she can figure this out.  Any ideas or thoughts?

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Nancy Harris Bonk, Health Guide
1/ 1/11 4:34pm

Is your son depressed? Does he exhibit signs of depression or feeling down? If the doctor is just putting him on Prozac because he thinks this condition is all in your son's head, it is time for another doctor, asap. If you feel your son does not need or shouldn't be on Prozac, get another, then another opinion, and taper him off it following the proper taper schedule discussed with his doctor. Ultimately we are in charge of our health care, and can make decisions with doctors, not just blindly follow their orders if you know something else is going on....

 

I'm not a cardiologist, but I'm pretty sure 240/60 is not normal. Glad to hear you've found a new doctor. Did you son start getting Migraines only after he started exercising back in 8th grade? Or did he experience Migraine attacks before that? There is a type of headache called Primary Exertional Headache that occurs during or right after exercise. Continue reading Primary Exertional Headache - The Basics.  You may want to find a true Migraine specialist, not just a neurologist who says they specialize in "headaches". While neurologists may be fine doctors, they treat so many different conditions like MS, stroke and epilepsy, it is difficult for them to be experts in any one area. And its not that the doctors aren't listening, rather, they really aren't well informed about Migraine disease. Migraine specialists treat one disease - ours -  Migraines and headaches. Take a look at the article Migraine and Headache Specialists - What's So Special? If you need help finding a Migraine specialist, check our listing of Patient Recommended Migraine and Headache Specialists.   

 

Keep us posted, ok?

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1/ 1/11 6:53pm

Nancy, Thanks for the reply and the links. I will check on the headache ones. The doctor we saw at Boston Children's hospital was a migraine specialist and she thinks his recent "illness" is not migraine nor a intractable migraine variant, which was thrown around earlier.  My son does show some signs of depression, which I think are related to being sick for 3 months.  Also, his girlfriend moved away and his brother just started college this fall.  So I think some of the feelings of sadness are very situational.  He showers daily and cares for his appearance. He tries to maintain social connections as best he can.  He just got a pet and is very responsible and caring with it.  He eats well and shows an interest in the world aroung him and in getting well.  I am having him seen by a good pyschologist this week to help him cope with the situational feelings and I also want to get his opinion on the prozac. 

 

Thanks again and I will keep you posted.

 

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1/ 1/11 11:23pm

I forgot to answer some of your questions. He only started getting migraines after he fainted in 8th grade. He only got them when he played basketball, but not everytime he played. He was never evaluated for any of the stuff listed in the exertional headache link.  The headaches were just labeled as migraine. This last spring when he was playing AAU basketball they became much more frequent and then again when he increased his exercise regime this fall.  An EKG was done this summer and the reading of it was normal. 

 

Thanks again.

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Nancy Harris Bonk, Health Guide
1/ 2/11 4:19pm

Looking forward to hearing your updates.....and you may want to think about seeing a Migraine specialist.

 

Nancy

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1/ 2/11 7:57pm

We saw a migraine specialist at Children's Hospital of Boston last week and she did not think this current situation is any form of a migraine.

 

Will keep you posted.

 

Thanks.

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Nancy Harris Bonk, Health Guide
1/10/11 3:44pm

Hi again,

 

I'm not going to get too soap boxy here Smile, but, if  I could mention that sometimes, even the best neurologists who say they are "headache specialists" may not be "true" Migraine/headache specialists. Neurologists treat so many different conditions like MS, epilepsy, stroke and Parkinson's, it is difficult for them to be experts in one area. Whereas a Migraine specialists is just that, an expert in one area, Migraines and headaches. These Migraine specialists are certified in headache medicine, attend scientific conferences in headache medicine and so on.....

 

Just something to keep in mind and you may want to take a look at this article, if I haven't already shared it with you - Migraine and Headache Specialists - What's So Special? If you need help finding a Migraine specialist, check our listing of Patient Recommended Migraine and Headache Specialists.

 

Looking forward to hearing from you again. 

 

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1/10/11 5:42pm

Nancy,

 

Thanks so much for the continued reply.  I totally agree with you that some "specialists" are not really specialists.  Right now we are trying to figure out if there is some cardiac issue that is causing the orthostatic hypotension that has been present all along.  He has tried a little exercise with a VNA Physical Therapist, but got too lightheaded to continue and this resulted in extreme fatigue for two days and more symptoms.  He has had a murmur in infancy that we were told closed, but now he has a murmur again.  I got copies of the EKG done when he was an infant and it has words like supraventricular tachydardia, atrial flutter, left posterior block, acute pericarditis, inflected t-wave, st and t wave abnormality, possible anterclateral ischemia, abnormal ECG.  But the doctors told us he was fine and no heart problem.  Is the artial flutter causing some atrial insufficiency that is causing these symptoms?  All questions I have for the cardiologist.  Hopefully she can answer them or refer us to someone who can.

 

I will keep you posted.

 

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6/17/09 12:43am

Hi Lindsay,

I too began to suffer migraines around the time of puberty.

Also followed by being thrown from a horse.

I would strongly suggest you speak to your dentist or orthodontist,

to find out if you have TMJ. I was in my mid thirties, mind you, I had seen a variety of DRs and a couple ofNuerologist'.with little help. They offered pain meds, antidepressants, not much more.

Then for some reason, I mentioned to my dentist that I was havineg these horrible headaches/migraines. After a bit of conversation, he suggested I go see and Orthodontist and rule out TMJ. What I found out was, even though I did not know it, that early incident wiht the horse did some jaw damage.

You have nothing to lose, but a few dollare to rule TMJ out or in.

Good Luck.

I am better now. After a bite plate that I faithfully where every night to stop clenching and grinding.

I do suffer from some migraines, but these can usually be linked to food or hormones and controlled. Catch them early, treat them quickly and relax, breath and stay cool. I do suffer from what one nuerologist referred to as heat induce migraines, from getting over heated and causing major vessel dilation. IN that case quickly get cool to the back of your neck, that is where all blood flows to the brain.

Martha

 

 

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By LindsayMJ928— Last Modified: 01/10/11, First Published: 06/08/09