MS Progressive Types: Frequently Asked Questions

By Vicki, Health Guide Wednesday, June 24, 2009
This series of articles about Progressive MS has a lot of information, and not all of it is easy to read or understand. Perhaps a good way to review the subject is to cover some of the frequently asked questions. How do I know if my MS is a Progressive type?MS may start with an attack followed by ...
6/25/09 8:25pm

You've done a great job with this subject. I'm sure a lot of people here will find it useful as I did.

 

I've got a question, or maybe just a thought, related to progressive forms of MS. I understand that MS is difficult to diagnose most times, but it seems that when a person is showing signs of a progressive neurological disorder with symptoms of MS the doctors should be a little more "free" in diagnosing probable MS.

 

I'm not unique in being in limbo waiting for a diagnosis. I have white matter lesions, tremors, visual disturbances, cognitive problems, etc. etc. and have been undergoing tests and evaluation for the past six months or so. While in this wait and see period, while the doctors are trying to "disprove" MS, many of my symptoms are getting progressively worse. I'm concerned that (assuming I have MS) I am missing an opportunity to start the treatment I need to slow the development of this illness.

 

It seems to me that diagnosing MS (relapsing/remitting or progressive) is somewhat subjective. It also appears that the progressive types are usually more serious than the others. That being said, wouldn't it make sense that signs of a progressive form of the disease should be a little more heavily "weighted" towards a diagnosis of MS?

 

Just a thought,

KJ

6/26/09 2:07pm

You are right about the difference between progressive and relapsing/remitting MS as being somewhat subjective.  In reality, there is a wide range, and you will not simply be either one or the other.  You will simply have characteristics that are more like one and less like the other.

 

I have MS that is progressive enough that we are comfortable giving it the label primary progressive.  Especially after reading this article, I am left wondering if I should discontinue taking the Copaxone designed for relapsing/remitting MS.  It is expensive, about $23,000 a year, and yet it costs me personally exactly nothing.  I have zero co-pay.  I am so used to the daily self-injections that I usually do not even feel them.  Someone though has to pay for them, and with no slowing of future progression, it is less than moral to continue taking it without considering whether I really need it or not.

 

In some ways, my disease looks like Malignant MS.  I must remember that MS is not one or the other, but in a range.  In my range, I am at least close to Malignant MS.  The question I need to answer is where I would have been for the last four years if I had not been taking the drug.  Supposedly, people with Malignant MS die months to a couple of years.  Why am I still alive?  Either I am not that close to having Malignant MS, or the Copaxone has kept me alive.  No neurologist on the planet can answer that question.  The only way to answer the question accurately is to stop taking the drug.  If I continue much as I have, then I did not need it.  If I instead quickly die, then I did need it.  I have absolutely no fear of the possible outcome, although I do have to think of my sister and companion left behind.  It would stress them; I would not know it happened.  

 

One last thought on that article.  The links to explaining how Social Security decides if you are disabled is less than helpful.  I hope that nobody actually needs the information.  They sure will not get it from that website.

Vicki, Health Guide
6/27/09 7:32pm

Hi KJ, Thank you.


So many of us have spent time in that limbo you know so well. It doesn't seem fair, and when we hear about the need for medication early in the disease course, the need for a final diagnosis sounds critical.


I agree that so much of MS seems subjective almost all the way through.  Talk to your doctor about exactly what you have written here.  Your concerns may help, or at least they'll speed up the process.  Can they do that?  Maybe not, but it doesn't hurt to ask.


It's part of the cruelty of MS.  I wish you luck.

6/28/09 12:04pm

Thank you very much.

 

I will be at the doctor's office tomorrow for an appointment with an eye surgeon. Much of my problem getting a diagnosis for my neurological problems are complicated by an eye tumor. The growth in my eye is not considered particularly dangerous and seems to be far enough from my optic nerve to not cause any confusion with MS symptoms, but until the tumor is addressed the neurologists are not taking any of my vision problems (probable optic-neuritis, double vision, stars/flashes, etc.) into consideration. This is slowing any diagnosis.

 

In the meantime, my tremors are so bad that I sometimes avoid going out in public. I can't make simple little excuses for them any more. The cognitve problems come and go on about a 30 day cycle (two weeks good, two weeks bad). When it's bad I avoid people because I can't remember their names, can't find the right words, and stutter when I speak. Overall this is getting worse with each cycle and is very scary. Bladder control problems started a year ago. Sexual issues started six months ago. Starting a few weeks ago I began getting shakes in my legs at night. In short, I see a deterioration in my health and well-being.

 

I really don't blame the doctors. They are working within established guidelines. They are testing and gathering information that may help down the road. I'm both hopeful and frustrated.

 

Thanks for listening,

KJ

Vicki, Health Guide
6/29/09 5:32am

The more I read, the more I believe everything about it is subjective. That is especially true after reading people's posts and comments.


Now David, don't go making any quick rash decisions. Your online friends, including me, would miss you, too.  You have stories to tell! I can't even give an educated opinion since I don't take any medication. I think that you are right that not even neurologists can tell you for sure either. Read Lauren's post and Heidi's comment. Copaxone seems to be a favorite among neurologists for Primary Progressive, too.

 

As far as Social Security, those five questions seem to be the easiest things to understand! Pretty sad. They recommend getting a lawyer. I recommend a better system and a new writer.

 

Your comments are always appreciated and thought-provoking.

Vicki, Health Guide
6/30/09 5:24am

Oh KJ,

I see your frustration, and the reason for it, every time I read a post by you since I first "met" you here on Health Central. Stress affects MS, and you have certainly has more than your fair share, but stress affects other conditions, too.


I hope your eye surgery goes well, and once that is cleared up maybe the focus can return to determining if you have MS or not.  Maybe things will move faster.  As always, I wish you luck, KJ.  I believe an answer will be a relief.  I will be watching you.

2/24/11 10:54am

My mother in law has ms and it has progressed very fast in the last few years, she also had back sergery last year and has had to use a cathider ever since,  she was just told by her dr. that he kidneys are failling... could this be something that was caused by her ms, or would it possibly be something else. i read the everything you need to know about ms. And i do not feel it answered my question or if it does i need it in lamens terms please. Can/does m.s cause kidney failure??

Vicki, Health Guide
7/29/11 8:22am

Hi Cstarr84,

I am so sorry to hear your mother is having such a hard time. That has to be frustrating for both her and you.

 

I cannot tell you that your mother's failing kidneys are because of MS. It is known that MSers experience some altered kidney function, often as a side effect of medication intended to ease the MS. Her doctor is the best one to help with questions like that. He or she could identify which medicine is the culprit and what could be done about it.

 

I hope by now your mother is better by now. Please let me know how you are doing.

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