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Pain and MS: Neuropathic Pain

Vicki
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Writer with Progressive MS and severe Osteoporosis

I was diagnosed in 1989 after seven years of living with seemingly...

Vicki

Wednesday, July 15, 2009
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There is pain in MS.  It can be acute or chronic, generally categorized as neuropathic, musculoskeletal, or tertiary. Let's begin looking at details. Sometimes the nervous system does not  function properly, and it actually becomes the cause of pain.  Neuropathic (nervous disease) p...
  1. Ongoing Lhermittes
    Julie
    Wednesday, July 15, 2009 at 11:28 AM

    Vicki - I read this post with interest because I'd like to define what I'm feeling. The best way I've been able to describe it to my dr is continuing Lhermittes, but it's always there to some degree and intensifies when I turn or bend my head. The electrical shocks have been going on for nearly three years now and it does get me a little desperate at times. Trileptal does a great job of controlling it but I do add in vicodin from time to time. Somedays the pain is about a 2 on a 10-scale; others it's 6 or 7 (that's when the vicodin comes in). Keeping myself distracted helps quite a bit -- working, walking, shopping, cooking, just keeping myself moving. Of course, the catch-22 is that when I finally stop, I'm fatigued and that makes it worse.

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    re: Ongoing Lhermittes
    Vicki
    Saturday, July 25, 2009 at 09:02 AM

    Hi Julie,

    I can understand your feeling desperate.  Glad about the Trileptal, but sorry you get to a 6 or 7 pain level sometimes.  Does the Vicoden help at those times?


    Distracting yourself sounds as if it works, but keep your activities relaxed.  I would suggest you take short rests, but does that give the pain a chance to take over?  Rests would help with the fatigue.

    Tell your doctor about your catch-22 situation, and be sure to let us know when you find a solution. 

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  2. MS Pain Types
    David Madison
    Thursday, July 16, 2009 at 04:21 PM

    Parasthesia pain is similar to dysesthesias, but what would be the difference?

     

    That pain scale is so familiar.  But it makes a huge difference whether you feel it for a minute or two, or whether it last for hours.  Or longer.  You can put with a six or seven, no problem, if it shows up and then goes away.  But a five that hangs on and on wears you down.

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    re: MS Pain Types
    Vicki
    Saturday, July 25, 2009 at 09:11 AM

    Hi David, 

    Many sources refer to go both paresthesias and dysesthesias as if they are the same. Others seem to differentiate between the two 2 saying they are similar or possibly even the same, and they don't usually give details. However, I did find one distinction. WD tells us Paresthesias are experienced in the absence of any specific stimuli; dysesthesias are a result of specific stimulus. The only specific stimulus I found what “light touch.” Not much to go on there, but they must be at least closely related. This may be just another example of MS confusion.

    I think you’re right about the pain scale. Sometimes those nagging pains and aches just keep gnawing away like a dripping faucets that keeps you awake. It is always there and you are always aware.

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  3. Not sure how to handle
    Laura W
    Saturday, July 18, 2009 at 11:58 AM

    I way over did it in the heat over the 4th and had family stress. I have had burning on the left half of my face and tongue and shocks from my lower stomach down my legs. It comes and goes all throughout the day. I am on steroids 21 day pack but it seems to get worst each day.  I know this will eventually go away but until then I am not sure if I should rest as much as possible is there any tricks to dealing with this? I just feel like I can't get enough rest and feel good. This is the worst episode I have has so far. Right now it is more annoying than painful, when I have the shock down the leg I think is this the one that is going to make me fall, is it going to get worst. Haven't learned how to deal with the head trip yet. I am sure in time as I have these experiences I will figure it out, but right now I am looking for any advice. 

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    re: Not sure how to handle
    Vicki
    Saturday, July 25, 2009 at 09:14 AM

    Laura, I wish I had an answer for you.  I hope it does eventually go away. 

    Tell your doctor the steroids are not only not working, but are making it worse.  There may be something better.

    Here are a couple of tips to help you rest.  It may sound lame, but they work for me most of the time.

    First, practice deep breathing.  I am not talking about big gasps of air, but slow, long inhaling before slowly exhaling. Start and end your day -- I do it in bed.  Then, any time during the day when you feel stress or pain beginning, take three deep breaths. It doesn’t stop the pain or stress, but it helps you cope.

    Second, try stretching.  Yoga is great and I have heard Tai Chi also does a good job of disciplining your body.  At the least, stretch your legs, arms, and trunk throughout your day.  A physical or occupational therapist can help establish a program for you.

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    re: re: Not sure how to handle
    Laura W
    Saturday, July 25, 2009 at 04:20 PM

    Thank You that does help and when I was doing yoga I really enjoyed it, I have to make myself go back.  My doctor is very good so I am able to email them at anytime and they will respond. I will be going to the doctor Monday. I just want do things and not feel like I am doing harm to myself, but staying in bed all the time doesn't help my childern either.  In time I will figure out the balance that will make everything go smooth. 

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  4. I have definitely had some of these types of pains...
    Merely Me
    Monday, July 20, 2009 at 10:43 PM

    Why are all the medical terms so darn hard to say or spell....but yeah...all the thesias...I have experienced these but not on any frequent or intense basis.  Haven't had the face pain though.  Does jaw pain count?  I don't think that is MS though. 

     

    This was an excellent article Vicki...I always learn a lot from what you write. 

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    re: I have definitely had some of these types of pains...
    Vicki
    Saturday, July 25, 2009 at 09:25 AM

    Oh Merely Me, I feel the same way about those names!


    At first I included none of those names, but just described the pains because there seem to be few “person friendly” alternatives.  I was afraid it was unfair not to validate the pain by including the names.   It’s hard enough to feel the pain without having to memorize which “thesias” to call it, so can't we name them after a person or something? 

    To add to the naming confusion, like so many other things about MS, there are no clear distinctions between them. Either they overlap or they are really different degrees of the same thing or they are the same thing with different labels. Sounds typical of MS documentation.

    Now the jaw.  Yes, it could be MS, and no, not necessarily.  Surprise. I could guess a few things, but it would be just a guess, and I do not want to do that to you.  Add it to your list of things to discuss on your next doctor visit.

    Isn’t it funny each time we feel a pain or even a flicker of a pain we wonder if it’s MS?  Not so funny, but a real phenomenon. Just another unfair aspect of MS.

    I hope you find the problem and it’s something small and treatable. Please let me know.

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  5. Heat Related TN Pain?
    KJ
    Friday, July 24, 2009 at 08:36 PM

    Just curious if anyone has heard of TN, or other sharp facial pain, coming about from a hot bath. I don't have much pain, but several times lately I've had an intensely sharp pain in my face while either in the sauna or bath. When I was in the sauna a month or so ago, the pain was on the side or inside of my nose. Two days ago it was a stabbing pain on my cheek close to my nose, followed a minute later by a similar pain right below my nose. It was painful enough to bring tears to my eyes but didn't last long.

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    re: Heat Related TN Pain?
    Vicki
    Saturday, July 25, 2009 at 09:40 AM

    Hi KJ,

    Wow.  I have TN, but I don't know if heat triggers an attack because I do my best to stay away from heat.  Look at the triggers, though, they include simple things like brushing teeth, touching your cheek, or breathing. I have experienced attacks from each of these, including breathing, so it seems possible heat could do it, too.


    There are a couple of medications that work for some and that may be something to look into.  No one should have to go through that pain. I take Tegritol and have not had a major attack for about a year.  I know of others for whom it does not work. It might be worth a try to talk with your doctor. 

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    re: re: Heat Related TN Pain?
    KJ
    Saturday, July 25, 2009 at 11:53 AM

    Thanks Vicki,

     

    Symptoms of pain are not one of my bigger problems. These are just some unusual things that have gone on with me recently and it seemed really timely considering your posting. It seems that heat brings out an increase in symptoms that people have already had (exaserpations/flare-ups such as vision problems and fatigue), but not so much with new symptoms.

     

    KJ

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  6. MS Pain
    Eileen
    Thursday, September 24, 2009 at 01:04 PM

    This is very informative, however, you do not discuss treatment for this kind of pain. Perhaps you may address that in a future article.

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    re: MS Pain
    Vicki
    Friday, October 02, 2009 at 05:05 PM

    Hi Eileen,

     

     I hope you have found the statements on treatment and alternative treatment. Of course, these are very general, but perhaps they can give you an idea. The best idea as always is to talk to your doctor who knows you and your symptoms.

     

    Good luck.

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