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MS Meds to take or nte to take.........
momdukes
Wednesday, March 18, 2009 at 03:32 PMre: MS Meds to take or nte to take.........
Merely Me
Thursday, March 19, 2009 at 06:54 PMHiyah Momdukes!
Yeah I hear ya. It is such a hard decision to make. And it is all completely based upon your individual circumstances. You never know what your doctor may say. MS is such a complex disease. One thing you can say about it, life is never dull!
Please do tell us what happens with you and making your decision. And I need to catch up with reading your posts!
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karen
Wednesday, March 18, 2009 at 05:22 PMThanks for sharing!!! You made alot of great points. I am soon to be starting the Avonex shots and I am really nervous about wether Im making the right decision. Your blog helped alot. Its such a big decision and one I have put alot of thought and reasearch into. I am going to go ahead with the treatment, but am going to monitor the situation very carefully to make sure I made the right choice. I figure if it doesnt work out for me I can always stop the treatments. I guess Im just hoping its worth a try. All I can do is pray about it and know that God is watching out for me through every step of this nasty disease. Thanks again!!
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Merely Me
Thursday, March 19, 2009 at 06:59 PMWhew! Your comment is a bit of a relief to me. I was hesitant to put this post out there as I think I am one of those outliers because I am not taking the medications. But I never want to cause anyone to not do what is right for them.
It is a huge decision and not one to be taken lightly and if I got some folk to look at this in a well rounded and balanced way then I am happy for my efforts.
I do thank you for your comment and please let us know how things go with taking Avonex. I would personally love it if you could write a sharepost about your experience sometime.
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Patricia
Wednesday, March 18, 2009 at 06:49 PMThank you for sharing your experience, it is interesting that your rationale for NOT taking any of the disease modifying drugs is almost exactly the same as mine. In fact, your post could have been written by me! I was diagnosed in the summer of 2007 and while walking has become more difficult and I have more numbness in one arm and leg I have not had another true exacerbation and the multiple mris I have had have shown no changes in the size or number of lesions. When weighing the pros and cons of the drugs, I was greatly concerned that the literature says the drugs MIGHT decrease the number of exacerbations by up to 30%. My thought is since the disease is unpredictable how would anyone know how many exacerbations one might experience in a year -- if any and how one would determine if the drug was actually helping. I told my neurologist I would take a wait and see approach as the possible side effects are very concerning to me. Depression runs in my family and I am not willing to take that chance. Also I was 51 when I was diagnosed. Had I been diagnosed at 21, 31 or even 41 and raising my family, my choice might be different. My husband and immediate family support my decision. Friends and other well meaning individuals will question why I am not taking the drugs as it seems most of them know someone who knows someone who is on them and doing great. When I explain the cost, the risks and the fact that it won't make my symptoms go away, their eyes glaze over and I think they are sorry they brought it up. I would NEVER question anyone's decision to take or not take these disease modifying meds.
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Lisa Emrich
Thursday, March 19, 2009 at 06:25 PMHi Patricia,
Like you, I didn't want to risk the depression which is associated with the beta interferons (Avonex, Rebif, Betaseron). That is why I chose Copaxone instead.
Very interesting to read how you came the decision to use no disease-modifying treatment at this time in your life. I like learning more about how others come to their decisions.
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Merely Me
Thursday, March 19, 2009 at 07:07 PMOh thank you Patricia!
I am feeling so much better reading the comments thus far. I had a bad experience on one of the MS forums where I was made to feel very badly about my decision. I am thinking that age does have something to do with one's decision. I am 44 now and I also suffer from depression. I am also raising my two boys and my youngest has autism. And...you have to think about quality of life. It is a gamble. These drugs have considerable side effects and I really thought long and hard about this.
There is a risk to everything you do or don't do. There are no right or wrong answers.
My subsequent MRI showed no lesions and I am not on any of the drugs. Had I been...the cause would have been attributed to the drugs. Will my luck run out though? Quite possibly. But in the meantime I am happy with my decision.
I am very grateful for your comment.
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Decision
Larry
Thursday, March 19, 2009 at 07:49 AMI understand your decision to wait, in fact I started out taking many experimental drugs as well as trying a variety of drugs until one day I decided I would wean myself off any medication.
We all know our own bodies and what we are able and willing to endure and waiting is good for some and not for others.
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Disease Modifying Drugs In MS
ChrisR
Thursday, March 19, 2009 at 03:56 PMMy decision to stop taking these drugs was a simple one. The interferons (Betaseron etc) were basically killing me. They were destroying my white blood cells. I then tried Copaxone. Seemed okay for about a year and then the lipo-atrophy started. Normally I'm not a vain person (well, okay, I guess I am) but the deep dents it was leaving in my body did not make me happy and, to top it all off, the med wasn't doing anything good for me. I was turned on to LDN and it has changed my life. A med with no side effects that makes me so symptom-free that I forget I have MS??? You bet!
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Patricia
Thursday, March 19, 2009 at 07:51 PMHi Larry, Like Merely Me I would love to hear your experience on LDN. My husband has Crohn's Disease and is taking it. His enegry level seems to have increased since he started in January. It doesn't necessarily help with his Crohn's symptoms but his overall well being seems to be better. His Gastroenterologist had not previously prescribed it for any of his patients, but is will to follow my husband's progress. My neurologist is willing to prescribe it for me as well, but I I would like to do more research. Any information you could share would be greatly appreciated.
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Anonymous
Thursday, March 19, 2009 at 04:20 PMNo one can argue that your decision is not well researched and thought out and logical. There has to be a weighing of the effectiveness (or lack of) of the various drugs, the side effects, including how they may affect ones body over the long haul, and the "chance" of missing out on any beneficial effects of the drugs not taken. Then there is the cost, ones personal situtation and abilities ( I have a severe fear of needles), and that old "gut", which usually has to be answered to with any decision made. You give some great guidance here. I am sure many going through the same process would reach the opposite decision, but that is fine too.
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Merely Me
Thursday, March 19, 2009 at 07:16 PMYeah it is not an easy decision and there are so many variables to take into account. In my unique circumstance it seemed a reasonable decision to make. But when I have symptoms there is that worry always...have I made the right decision?
Most of the time...my gut says yes.
I do thank you for your comment.
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Copaxone was my choice
Lisa Emrich
Thursday, March 19, 2009 at 06:22 PMExcellent article taking us through your thought process which led to your current decision. So true that the decision is a very personal one and nobody can dictate to another what they should or should not do. That's one thing I like about our community, the variety of opinions and acceptance of others' choices.
As a complementary post, I share a bit about my choice to take Copaxone as a disease-modifying treatment. The possible side-effect of depression which exists with the beta interferons (Avonex, Rebif, Betaseron) was a large portion of my decision-making process. Unlike the interferons, Copaxone doesn't carry that particular undesirable side-effect profile.
I'm looking forward to seeing what other members of the community have to say about their choices.
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Merely Me
Thursday, March 19, 2009 at 07:20 PMI am glad that you wrote such an article. There are a lot of people who have wondered about Copaxone including me....and the more knowledge people have about the drugs and what the experience is like to take them...the better. It is really great that we can present balance in the presentation of our unique experiences. I too am eager to hear what others say on this topic.
To take or not to take.....
momdukes
Thursday, March 19, 2009 at 07:54 PMI have learned so much from this topic. When I was put on Beta it was through a clincal trial, and now when I think about it, they had to continue lowering the dose becase it was showing up in my liver. So now I take the smallest amount. My last blood test were fine. But you know I am seriously thinking about coming off the shots. I am going to try and have another MRI, and blood test then I am going to make my decision. Then, just maybe, I will be able to wear those 3 inch pumps again!

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best for me
emms
Monday, March 23, 2009 at 06:05 PMThe, "to treat with one of the big four" decision has been an ongoing inner debate for me, since my diagnosis in Jan 07. But ultimately, I have opted to do what I can, first with Copaxone, and now Rebif.
When I was first diagnosed, I was anxious to get started on a treatment. I likened it to standing in the middle of a busy intersection, wearing a sign that says, 'Hit me". Now, while I endure mostly mild flu-like symptoms, I sometimes question whether or not the injections are doing me any good.
Are they worth the money spent? Are they worth the red splothces on my skin? Are they worth the achey muscles?
And when I feel this way, I imagine myself ten years down the road...I will be happy that ten years ago, I did what I could, using what was known to possibly make a difference for me.
I hope.
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Merely Me
Wednesday, April 01, 2009 at 06:40 PMI hear ya.
It is not an easy decision to make. I may decide to take one of the medications at some point. So far things are okay for me but this could change on a dime.
Hope is so much a part of this no matter what your decision.
I am so glad that you stopped by to read and to share your experience. Thank you!
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I waited also..
glowing4times
Tuesday, March 24, 2009 at 09:39 AMI did try Avonex a few months after finding out but after taking it for four months I stopped because it made me sick every time I took it. Then I decided to wait a bit as I was just adjusting to the diagnoses and trying to get a grip of everything. In 2003 I woke up one morning and couldn't walk, my legs from the knees down were numb and tingling and my feet too. I couldn't move my right leg, it was like dead weight and I couldn't write, I couldn't hold a pen. Anyway I spent three very long years going to doctor after doctor trying to find out what was wrong with me, MS was suspected but I had bright spots, and old ones but they weren't convinced that it was MS. All the doctors looked at me like I was crazy, they just didn't believe me. So I tripped and fell through three years of horror until I finally went to a neurologist who confirmed it was MS. I still can't walk very well, I drag my right leg and have other symptoms too, but I agree about NOT taking the disease modifying medicine. She has tried to get me to take it but I just can't seem to bring myself to do it, like you I look at all the side effects and wonder if it's really worth it. RIght now I say NO, I'll go to my six month appointment and see what she says, but ultimately as you say the decision is ours. When I read your article, it was like I wrote it, you said exactly what I've been saying and thinking all along. Thanks for writing it, it helps me feel like I'm not crazy.
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Merely Me
Wednesday, April 01, 2009 at 06:43 PMNo you are definitely not crazy.
Everyone has their reasons for their choices. You have to follow your gut. It is good to see all sides of this though. There are many people who take the medications and the side effects are minimal and...they and their doctors feel that it worked for them.
I have very specific criteria to base my decision upon and...I am happy thus far with my decision to wait but...this can change.
I really appreciate your comment. Please do feel free to write more about your experiences.
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Debra Lamarche
Thursday, April 02, 2009 at 08:05 AMThanks for replying, this is the first forum I've used to talk about my MS and had someone answer me. I also watched your 4 part video series, which I can also relate to. Thanks for doing that. The local newspaper just did a human interest story on me and my friend who also has MS last week. My doctor is very much for taking the disease modifying drugs and has tried to push me to take them. I don't know what she'll say at the next appointment though, if she feels I've worsened she'll want me to start taking something, so I really need to be ready with a decision. I thought I could handle this disease, I'm known for saying I have this disease but it doesn't have me, but lately I'm feeling a lot different. Thanks again for replying and caring.
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drugs
Anonymous
Wednesday, April 01, 2009 at 09:26 AMalso had optic neuritis appr. 12 yrs ago < first time. i did not get the mri ordered by my eye dr. 5 yr ago more eye problems and dizziness and numbness randoming appearing,,,,, got mri no lesions,,, no meds
now 5yr later i have numerous symptoms but they are not random any longer and mri has lesions greater than 8 .. started rebif now but the symptoms are hard to push back and i have had 2 rounds of high dose steroids in 4 months. i ask myself would i be better iif i had begun earlier on meds or would my symptoms be lighter , easier to manage? i have no answer , but i wonder every symptoms if i would be like i am symptom wise or better.. my neuro { same guy 10 yr) has no answer. my comment is who knows until we have faster more concrete testing and a cause for ms.
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Merely Me
Wednesday, April 01, 2009 at 06:46 PMI agree with you. We just don't know. We can imply causality but everyone's MS is different. I am not taking the drugs and my yearly MRI revealed no new lesions. Had I been on the MS drugs, causality would have been assumed...that the drugs prevented the lesions.
So...I don't know either.
I am hoping that the research will soon reveal some answers to us who depend upon them.
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Tough decision
ottis
Sunday, May 03, 2009 at 08:17 PMI empathize with your situation. I had optic neuritis a dozen years ago (in my mid 30s) and haven't had a relapse since. I was diagnosed with MS about 8 years ago after I had been experiencing wierd sensations in my arm and leg. By the time I was diagnosed it had been over 4 years since my optic neuritis and I was optimistic after reading about benign MS and seeing the Mayo clinic study. My neurologist and I decided to "wait and see." I was very concerned about the known and unknown side effects (the immune response system is not something to trifle with). Unlike you, my bi-annual MRIs showed a few new lesions each time. About 4 years ago daily significant fatigue and memory loss started, causing me to leave work. After stopping work my next MRI showed no new lesions. I still did not want to start any medication. I know that if I was actively relapsing it would have been a much easier choice for me to start. I was very concerned about the side effect of fatigue, since that was my biggest issue. I was also concerned about depression. A couple of years ago I started on Copaxone. Other than injections site stuff I haven't had any side effects that I know of. So now I'm in my late 40s, still no second relapse, but with daily fatigue leaving me unable to work full-time. There is no evidence that I know of that starting medicine sooner would have prevented the fatigue. It is best for me to just move forward. At the end of the day it is your body and it is the only one you get. I don't question my decision to wait and I do question whether I will continue with Copaxone. It is so hard when there is no way of knowing if it is helping at all. It came down to Copaxone - a drug that has been used for over a decade and had the fewest known side effects. I wish there was more information on how people who aren't relapsing fare long-term. I know that the clinical studies I have checked in to do not enroll anyone that is not actively relapsing, so the results may not even apply to us. Thanks for your forum. I wish you the best of luck.
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To take or not to take
rumpled
Sunday, May 24, 2009 at 01:42 PMI appreciate this piece and this discussion. I'm trying to decide what to do. I had an attack last fall--numb fingertips on all fingers--and after the raft of tests, was diagnosed with a CIS. I have one lesion on my spinal cord and 2 small questionable ones in my brain. All other tests were negative or inconclusive. My first neuro wanted me on the drugs immediately, even before all of the test results were in. Because I decided to switch doctors (not because of that), time passed, and in the meantime, I had a follow up brain MRI which showed no change from the fall. I obviously want to take a possible MS diagnosis very seriously, but I also want to make sure that going on the drugs is really the right thing. I'm not opposed to taking them, but I want to wait and see a bit longer. The new neuro says that, given the stable MRI, this is an option for now. I don't want to mess myself up later, clearly. But the first attack came in the wake of a separate, unrelated injury and freak reaction I had to the injury, so I still think they have to be connected somehow. It's really hard to know what the right thing to do is. I have an active life that I want to stay active. But I also don't want to go on an indefinite drug regimen if the attack was isolated.
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GettingMoreSkeptical
Tuesday, June 09, 2009 at 09:28 AMI found this board because I've been considering stopping my betaseron injections. It is a difficult decision. After two years, I've learned to deal with the side effects and gotten over my needle phobia a bit. Liver enzymes are OK, and the disease has not progressed according to the MRIs and measurements of optic nerve thickness. But still, I question whether this drug is actually doing me any good. Would I be the same, or maybe better without it? Who knows? Since I started taking it, my feet have been constantly numb and tingly. Is that the betaseron or just MS? I wake up with a headache every morning; I'm pretty sure that's the betaseron. I've fought with my insurance company to get them to pay for the drug. They finally did pay, but talk about stressful! Stress is bad for MS, right? Then there's what appears to be some conflict of interest in prescribing MS drugs. My neurologist is known to be reputable, but when I sit in the waiting room, I've noticed almost as many pharmaceutical sales reps as patients. Every pen, notepad and clipboard in the place has a drug logo on it. There's big money at work here. It gives me pause. Am I just a cash cow? My MS is worth over $2,000 a month to the pharma company. And a few thousand dollars a year to the neurologist. If I'm cured, they'd all stop making money. Yet they keep us on a string with that tantalizing promise -- a cure is just around the corner. Hang in there and keep taking the current treatment, they say. A cure is coming. In a couple of years. Sure it is.
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I take Beta shots every other day. I was dx in 04 and I have had only one exab since then and that has been with my eyes crossing. Boy did I look funny!
I have seriously thought about not taking the shots, with my last MRI I had not no leisions, so I guess the Beta is working or the MS has come to a stand still. I had it for 44 years before it decided to rear it ugly head without meds. I am not sure what I should do. I do know one thing, I was able to walk before I started shotting up with Beta, or it may be the MS progression. But right now, I am between a rock and a hard place. If I talk to my nuero, she is going to say continue to do the shots I am sure, so I really do not know what to do!