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Antiobiotics and Temporary relief

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Wednesday, November 04, 2009
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I have a couple of questions about antibiotics alleviating MS symptoms.  I've been on 2 very strong antibiotics (which I know lower my WBC) for about 10 days now.  Saturday I started feeling like my old self again (with only a few symptoms still present); I had enough energy to take my chil...
  1. Antibiotic Protocol
    Lisa Emrich
    Thursday, November 05, 2009 at 06:14 PM

    Hi Holly,

     

    This is very interesting.  Whenever I've need to take antibiotics, the MS has also been acting unhappy (ie pseudoexacerbation).  And as the infection is eliminated, I get to return to "normal."

     

    I am aware of some MSers who follow some type of antiobiotic protocol.  I do not know that much about it off the top of my head and would need to dig much further into the topic to be able to clearly speak to it.  It might be coincidence, but I can think of at least one MSer who follows this protocol who does it to treat lyme disease (which I remember that you said you do not have).

     

    There are certainly drugs which lower the immune system (ie steroids) and there are drugs which modulate the immune system in specific ways (ie interferons or other therapies).  This is a very interesting observation on your part and something which I would definitely discuss with my neurologist (or other doctors) to get their input.  In the meantime, I'll see what I can find out about the "antiobiotic protocol."

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    re: Antibiotic Protocol
    Lisa Emrich
    Thursday, November 05, 2009 at 06:52 PM

    Hi Holly,

     

    There is a rather long discussion (and sharing of one patient's experience) on the website PatientsLikeMe.  The thread can be found here - http://www.patientslikeme.com/forum/show/55860  This website requires signing-up to read or participate.  (If you do not wish to do that, let me know.)

     

    There are also several threads of discussion at the forum ThisIsMS.  The section discussing antibiotics can be found here - http://www.thisisms.com/forum-28.html One does not need to register to read the ThisIsMS forum and the main person who started the PatientsLikeMe discussion above also shares information here (and probably duplicated their information).

     

    There is certainly controversy over using antibiotics to treat underlying chlamydia pneumonia infection in patients with MS, but it is always good to look into the topic to better understand it.

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    re: re: Antibiotic Protocol
    Hollyk
    Thursday, November 12, 2009 at 12:05 PM

    Thank you Lisa!  That was very helpful information.  My neurologist is very excited about the information.  I might actually get diagnosed with my MS by happening upon my own treatment by accident.

     

    My antibiotics ran out and within 24 hours my symptoms slowly started to creep back.  I am experiencing the fatigue and the cognition issues along with my vision giving me grief. 

     

    I love the website patientslikeme.com!  Very friendly and useful tools as well (if I can figure out how to date them correctly)!

     

    Thank you again and I'll let you know what happens on the 24th!

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    re: re: re: Antibiotic Protocol
    Lisa Emrich
    Thursday, November 12, 2009 at 12:09 PM

    You're welcome!!  [psst..... don't like patientslikeme TOO much and forget about our little community.  LOL]  I used to participate there but don't hardly anymore.

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  2. Antibiotics
    donna
    Thursday, November 12, 2009 at 02:12 PM

    Look into Colliodal Silver.  I am studying it now and it isn't as harsh as a man made Antibiotic. It is a natural antibiotic and has been used as far as my history knownledge since the 1800's.  All I can say is study on it...I am now but have been wondering about it and MS.  I know people who take it all the time...and have great results....but like anything you have to educate yourself.  I take low dose naltrexone for my MS therapy and for 4 years and have not had a relapse.  It is just amazing.  My neuro says I am his only patient not getting worse....and the other patients are all on shots.

     

    Hope this gives you some thought. 

     

    Two low dose naltrexone sites if you are interested.....

    www.freewebs.com/lovelaugh/

     

    www.ldninfo.org           

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  3. Antibiotics and MS
    Carolyn
    Thursday, November 12, 2009 at 02:32 PM

    Holly,

     

    I was diagnosed with Primary Progressive Multiple Sclerosis.  I have severe mobility issues and am currently shopping online for a wheelchair.  My Mayo Clinic neurologist told me that there is no treatment for PPMS.  I refuse to believe that there is no treatment and have been doing quite a bit of research online.

     

    I recently discovered that many people believe that there is an epidemic of Lyme Disease in this country, and many people with MS and other diseases have been misdiagnosed.  Apparently, Lyme is incredibly difficult to detect.  Only IGENEX Labs in California does a comprehensive test, so tests from other labs often result in false negatives.

     

    Since I would have to pay out-of-pocket for the IGENEX test, I haven't managed to get a sample to them.  However, I took the advice of a man with Lyme who was misdiagnosed with MS and I started taking Samento.  Samento, Cumanda, and Quina are natural antimicrobials that are used to treat Lyme and the co-infections that frequently occur with Lyme.

     

    I don't know what the long term benefit will be, but I can tell you that in the couple of weeks that I have been taking Samento I have noticed a slight improvement.  I have a little more energy and can wiggle the toes on my right foot, which I haven't been able to do in a very long time.

     

    Since I have nothing to lose and am no longer taking an injectible MS medication (none of which are used for PPMS), I am trying a number of alternative therapies in addition to the Samento.  I am taking Low Dose Naltrexone (LDN), 4-AP (soon to be available for MS as "Fampridine"), Sclero-Eze (which has an herb derived from hydrangea root), and a number of other vitamins and supplements.  I am also using Inclined Bed Therapy which may help me in the long run, but immediately stopped my husband's snoring and sleep apnea!  I am also following studies regarding MS and CCVSI.  CCVSI (chronic cerebrospinal venous insufficiency) is yet another MS theory.  It has yet to be determined whether CCVSI is the cause or a symptom of MS.

     

    I would not recommend anyone with Relapsing Remitting MS do what I am doing, but you may want to research the Samento, Cumanda, and/or Quina to use instead of the antibiotics you have been taking.  If you decide to take the Low Dose Naltrexone in addition to your MS injectible, know that Copaxone is the only compatible injectible with LDN.

     

    I am attaching some links in case you are interested.  Good luck!

     

    Lyme Disease:

    http://www.newswithviews.com/Howenstine/james26.htm

     

    Samento, Cumanda, Quina:

    http://www.bionatus.com/nutramedix/pdfs/L-townsendapr07.pdf

     

    Hydrangea Root:

    http://www.childrenshospital.org/newsroom/Site1339/mainpageS1339P1sublevel539.html

     

    4-AP (soon to be available for MS as "Fampridine"):

    http://www.thecompounder.com/ms4ap.php

     

    Low Dose Naltrexone:

    http://lowdosenaltrexone.org/

     

    Inclined Bed Therapy:

    http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/2007/04/12/medical_underground_inclined_bed_therapy.htm

     

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